Capcom says Wii is a Kiddie console

Capcom has forgotten how to make games. Seriously. Take exhibit A and B:

A) Beatdown: Fists of Vengeance

B) Final Fight: Streetwise

No, Capcom. No. These titles were both developed on last gen, and I specifically recall them on the Xbox. So if this is all you have to offer for games with Wii-level graphics, we don't want any, k thx bye.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']All you have to do is look at the launch. Once again, it was kiddie titles as far as the eye could see.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I suppose "Sadness" coming is a fluke.
 
[quote name='psiufoxx2']Capcom has forgotten how to make games. Seriously. Take exhibit A and B:

A) Beatdown: Fists of Vengeance

B) Final Fight: Streetwise

No, Capcom. No. These titles were both developed on last gen, and I specifically recall them on the Xbox. So if this is all you have to offer for games with Wii-level graphics, we don't want any, k thx bye.[/QUOTE]

That is like saying Square has forgotten how to make games because they put out the Bouncer and R: Racing Revolution.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Yeah I suppose "Sadness" coming is a fluke.[/QUOTE]

I specifically said "launch," I didn't say anything about the life of the console. Sadness was not a launch title therefore it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I specifically said "launch," I didn't say anything about the life of the console. Sadness was not a launch title therefore it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.[/quote]

The Xbox 360, was really no different. More ports of multi-console games more than anything.

If you consider the launch of the Wii "kiddie" well, whatever. But at least there was some relatively unique games on day one.
 
It's weird how they can say that when RE4 came out on the Cube aka the "kiddie console". It's quite obvious that any game can come out on any platform. I always find it funny when people mention "MATURE" titles because I ususally see 10 year olds buying Grand Theft Auto. I can play Gears of War and then Mario 64 and not ever think about the rating of the game. Luckily right now I have a Wii60 so I can play my kiddie games and my ultra hip Mature games.

I think the biggest tragedy is that a lot of games won't be built from the ground up for the Wii. If Capcom wasn't so lazy and came out with a game focusing in on what makes the Wii unique, with a Teen or Mature rating, it wouldn't have a problem selling.
 
[quote name='jkam']It's weird how they can say that when RE4 came out on the Cube aka the "kiddie console". It's quite obvious that any game can come out on any platform. I always find it funny when people mention "MATURE" titles because I ususally see 10 year olds buying Grand Theft Auto. I can play Gears of War and then Mario 64 and not ever think about the rating of the game. Luckily right now I have a Wii60 so I can play my kiddie games and my ultra hip Mature games.

I think the biggest tragedy is that a lot of games won't be built from the ground up for the Wii. If Capcom wasn't so lazy and came out with a game focusing in on what makes the Wii unique, with a Teen or Mature rating, it wouldn't have a problem selling.[/quote]
That is very much true, kids tend to want to play the "Mature" games (with some exceptions.) The Grand Theft Autos, the Halos, and of course Gears of War.
 
Since I really have nothing better to do; here is what I found on metacritic. These are in order of highest to lowest score.

Mature:2 Teen:7 Everyone:24

T Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The
E WarioWare: Smooth Moves
E Madden NFL 07
T Trauma Center: Second Opinion
E Rayman Raving Rabbids
E Wii Sports
E Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
E Elebits
T Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
E Super Swing Golf
T Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
E Chicken Little: Ace in Action
T Metal Slug Anthology
E Excite Truck
T Call of Duty 3
E Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
E Ice Age 2: The Meltdown
E Barnyard
E Cars
E Need for Speed Carbon
T Red Steel
M Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent
E Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, The
E SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
E Wii Play
E Avatar: The Last Airbender
E Monster 4X4 World Circuit
E Rampage: Total Destruction
E Happy Feet
E Ant Bully, The
E Rapala Tournament Fishing!
E GT Pro Series
M Far Cry Vengeance
 
[quote name='derder']list[/quote]

Yeah, those M-rated titles are total shit. I'm glad they had so many "kiddie" games since that's what all the good ones were.
 
This will turn around slightly if it ends up with majority marketshare, particularly by any significant margin, since ALL genres are going to end up turning to the market leader.

Then again, they probably dont care so much about their image as long as they are printing money.
 
[quote name='yukine']The Xbox 360, was really no different. More ports of multi-console games more than anything.

If you consider the launch of the Wii "kiddie" well, whatever. But at least there was some relatively unique games on day one.[/QUOTE]

The 360 launch didn't have Cars, Ice Age 2, The Ant Bully, Avatar, Chicken Little, Spongebob Squarepants, and Happy Feet.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Yeah, those M-rated titles are total shit. I'm glad they had so many "kiddie" games since that's what all the good ones were.[/quote]

Thank you for proving my point.
 
Some other Capcom kiddie games:

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I'm not sure why everyone's so up in arms about it anyway. So what if its a kiddie console, if you have fun playing it, what's the difference? Being a "kiddie console" doesn't automatically make it a bad console.
 
[quote name='derder']Thank you for proving my point.[/quote]

I wouldn't challenge the fact that most of the best games (of all time) aren't rated M, I just wouldn't label them "kiddie" just because they don't have blood and/or tits.
 
nintendo is selling to the market of people who dont play videogames which is like 98% of the world, they dont need to hardcore gamers, they will do just fine.
 
[quote name='SpazX']I wouldn't challenge the fact that most of the best games (of all time) aren't rated M, I just wouldn't label them "kiddie" just because they don't have blood and/or tits.[/quote]

What would you call a kiddy game?
 
[quote name='derder']What would you call a kiddy game?[/QUOTE]

A kiddy game is overly simple, has no depth, generally based on childish subject matter and lacks any challenge to adults. I think comparing chutes and Ladders to Risk would be a good example of kidde versus more mature. I think those characteristics listed are a good base for what the difference is, and there is definitely room for expanding on them.

You could call Wii sports kiddie at first, but you would realize that there is hidden depth and challenge in the title which definitley makes it not kiddie.
 
[quote name='Pylis']I actually would tend to agree with Capcom's statement on this one. By no means do I not enjoy the Wii; I think it's a great system. But I'd agree that the marketing of the system has been and will continue to be as a family friendly and unique experience, which may sway the mature casual gamer towards MS and Sony.[/quote] Well Sony and M$ do have some killer apps rated ''M'' like halo and God of War, do you think nintendo has the balls to make a killer app rated ''M'' i dont think so. they are all about milking 30 year old franchises mario,zelda,metroid ect.
 
[quote name='richbastard']Well Sony and M$ do have some killer apps rated ''M'' like halo and God of War, do you think nintendo has the balls to make a killer app rated ''M'' i dont think so. they are all about milking 30 year old franchises mario,zelda,metroid ect.[/QUOTE]

i agree nintendo is the gayest company and they never do anything new when sony and M$ have all the good games and nintendo shoudl mamke more m games
 
[quote name='Tebunker']A kiddy game is overly simple, has no depth, generally based on childish subject matter and lacks any challenge to adults. I think comparing chutes and Ladders to Risk would be a good example of kidde versus more mature. I think those characteristics listed are a good base for what the difference is, and there is definitely room for expanding on them.

You could call Wii sports kiddie at first, but you would realize that there is hidden depth and challenge in the title which definitley makes it not kiddie.[/quote]
In reference to derder, I would agree with most of this as being a definition for a kiddy game.

Imagine if kiddy was defined this way in real life: is a restaurant kiddy unless it's a strip bar? Are sports kiddy unless they're violent? Are any TV shows that aren't rated MA kiddy? Are all movies not rated R or above kiddy?

It's just a bad definition to basically have anything not intended for adults to be labeled "kiddy." I would go more with Apossum's "family friendly" label or perhaps something general - like the rating - and say that they are intended for everyone, or anyone that wants to play them, not a specific age group.


[quote name='richbastard']Well Sony and M$ do have some killer apps rated ''M'' like halo and God of War, do you think nintendo has the balls to make a killer app rated ''M'' i dont think so. they are all about milking 30 year old franchises mario,zelda,metroid ect.[/quote]

Christ, 30? You're telling me zelda came out in 1977? Anyway, it's hard to have a long-lasting franchise when you've only been making games for 5-10 years. I hope you'll complain equally about halo 12 and ratchet and clank 37.
 
I've always wondered why Eternal Darkness never got a sequel. I remember it was supposed to be a Cube launch title, but kept getting pushed back. It seems when it finally got released, much of the hype had died down. It was still a fantastic game though, and I don't know anyone who would argue that. That would definitely have been a franchise Nintendo could have built off of as an exclusive...just don't really know why it didn't happen. I'd love to see a sequel on Wii.
 
[quote name='richbastard']Well Sony and M$ do have some killer apps rated ''M'' like halo and God of War, do you think nintendo has the balls to make a killer app rated ''M'' i dont think so. they are all about milking 30 year old franchises mario,zelda,metroid ect.[/quote]
I don't see how making an M-rated game equates to balls. If anything, Nintendo has bigger balls to not simply make mostly generic shooters and fighting games. Hell, Nintendo had the balls to create consoles that actually pushed the gaming envelope this generation, whereas MS and Sony basically created more powerful versions of the previous-gen consoles, for which we will see games that are mostly the same in philosophy.
 
[quote name='richbastard']Well Sony and M$ do have some killer apps rated ''M'' like halo and God of War, do you think nintendo has the balls to make a killer app rated ''M'' i dont think so. they are all about milking 30 year old franchises mario,zelda,metroid ect.[/quote]Well I kinda agree, about the 30 year old franchices they do need new ones but as for me, I bought a Wii not hoping Nintendo releases another gorefest to the consoles but rather to get away from the M games. It is kinda funny but when I think Nintendo I think of a company that releases games that are not kiddie but a nice change of pace. I mean what console has a nice peaceful game such as mario where it is just fun to play (I am not talking about mario party 800000 but a mario platformer in general) that isn't crappy or has some action element taken from another game. Thats just me, I mean I play WOW frequently and I own a 360, I need a change of pace once in awhile even though I do love my gorefests like Fear, Dead Rising, etc...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']The 360 launch didn't have Cars, Ice Age 2, The Ant Bully, Avatar, Chicken Little, Spongebob Squarepants, and Happy Feet.[/QUOTE]
rifk
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']The 360 launch didn't have Cars, Ice Age 2, The Ant Bully, Avatar, Chicken Little, Spongebob Squarepants, and Happy Feet.[/QUOTE]
rifk
 
[quote name='Tebunker']A kiddy game is overly simple, has no depth, generally based on childish subject matter and lacks any challenge to adults. I think comparing chutes and Ladders to Risk would be a good example of kidde versus more mature. I think those characteristics listed are a good base for what the difference is, and there is definitely room for expanding on them.

You could call Wii sports kiddie at first, but you would realize that there is hidden depth and challenge in the title which definitley makes it not kiddie.[/quote]
I agree with most of this, and therefore, by your definition, the Wii does have a high percentage kiddy games.

I own one. I have fun with it. I understand, and have "come to terms with," most of the games released are geared for kids. This is not a bad thing, and it certainly doesn't mean the games are terrible or not fun.

This brings up another point. I think the fact that there are so few mature games will cause those that do exist to artificially sell better, had the "mature" owner more options. This may cause Capcom to change their strategy.

As a whole, I think the games lack the same depth as their ps3 and 360 counterparts (ie CoD3). In their place lies a unique control scheme and a more initially rewarding experience.

The point of this thread is to discuss that Capcom describes the games, target audience, and average user as a child. They did not say that only kids own wii's. Nor did they say that kid's only own wii's. They just correctly identified the "core-user base" as being younger than that of the ps3 and 360. I didn't think anyone would be ignorant enough to refute this.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']The game sold poorly. In fact, it sold so poorly that it broke several laws of mathematics. The end result is that it not only no longer exists, but its non-existence is so complete that it is what I term a "Negative Substance". Should one of these substances ever be brought into existence, leading scientists believe that many scientific laws - including both the first and second laws of thermodynamics - will cease to be.
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A developer from Silicon Knights disagrees with you about the likelihood of a sequel:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152021
 
[quote name='derder']
As a whole, I think the games lack the same depth as their ps3 and 360 counterparts (ie CoD3). In their place lies a unique control scheme and a more initially rewarding experience.
[/quote]Just curious, but other than lack of multiplayer (which I would imagine would be a non-issue by the time CoD4 rolls around) where was the Wii version lacking in depth relative to the others? Wasn't the single player game essentially the same?
 
[quote name='Tebunker']A kiddy game is overly simple, has no depth, generally based on childish subject matter and lacks any challenge to adults. I think comparing chutes and Ladders to Risk would be a good example of kidde versus more mature. I think those characteristics listed are a good base for what the difference is, and there is definitely room for expanding on them.

You could call Wii sports kiddie at first, but you would realize that there is hidden depth and challenge in the title which definitley makes it not kiddie.[/QUOTE]

Twisted Metal 3?
 
[quote name='psiufoxx2']Capcom has forgotten how to make games. Seriously. Take exhibit A and B:

A) Beatdown: Fists of Vengeance

B) Final Fight: Streetwise[/QUOTE]
Exhibit A was developed by Cavia (known for Drakengard 1 & 2) and Exhibit B was developed by Secret Level (an American developer that's mainly worked on ports like Unreal Tournament and Magic the Gathering.)

Thanks for playing.
 
[quote name='derder']The point of this thread is to discuss that Capcom describes the games, target audience, and average user as a child. They did not say that only kids own wii's. Nor did they say that kid's only own wii's. They just correctly identified the "core-user base" as being younger than that of the ps3 and 360. I didn't think anyone would be ignorant enough to refute this.[/QUOTE]

I like it how people say most Wii owners are kids yet never show a shred of evidence to prove it. Same with Capcom. :roll:

The funny thing is that if you go on Xbox Live and play Gears of War or Halo 2 all you will see are 13 year olds flaming each other, but Xbox isn't a kiddie console right?

The fact of the matter is that Nintendo's policy has been against Mature games for a long time. That is why they didn't have lots of Mature games not because their core are little kids who can't play them. Now Nintendo has changed their policy and we will see just how well M rated games can sell on the Wii when Nintendo isn't blocking them.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
The funny thing is that if you go on Xbox Live and play Gears of War or Halo 2 all you will see are 13 year olds flaming each other, but Xbox isn't a kiddie console right?
[/QUOTE]

Bam.
 
Well Nintendo's a kiddy console in terms that only the (sometimes) nicer kids, which is why they don't get mature games. The kids who think they're all that and all gangsta or w/e buy the 360 or PS3 (To get those "mature" games such as gow and GT).
 
How can a machine (which, itself, does nothing until it's playing a game) be "kiddie?" It all boils down to the games you're playing. If Capcom has a problem with it, there's nothing stopping them from making the goriest game ever for the Wii.
 
I wonder if there will be a wii 2, and how much better wiimote will be.
Wii sports is fucking horrible, it was cool the first hour.
The wiimote doesnt pick up arm movements very well at all. I was dissapointed after playing my brothers new wii. Zelda was much better on the cube. Right now the wii is nothing more than a ds wannabe.
 
[quote name='hupp']
The wiimote doesnt pick up arm movements very well at all. [/QUOTE]

Well of course it doesn't, if you shove the thing up your ass.
 
Nintendo made their bed with the N64, and despite their strong hardware showing with the Wii, they're still forced to lie in it.

As I see it, the SNES was Nintendo's Golden Age. It was the strongest console on the market up until the Playstation arrived and undermined cartridge-based games. Nintendo flubbed its response to the Playstation with the N64 -- an ugly, underpowered, cartridge-based console that, in order to make money and have any kind of critical presence, had to lean very hard on established franchises and the then-niche market of "family-friendly" gaming.

Now, appealing to that niche market sure as hell has worked. Nintendo is rolling in money based on that decision. Unfortunately, they simultaneously alienated their original NES and SNES supporters -- what's now termed as the "hardcore" gamers. Additionally, it doesn't help that the alteration in their market strategy came off as a move of desperation, as opposed to calcuated logic. I think that's why they catch so much flak these days for being "kiddie" -- they're seen as a company that succumbed to pressure, as opposed to one that consciously chose to target a then-unconventional market.
 
I think kiddie console is wrong, but I think its hard to deny that does appeal to the casual person or gamer. I know people who havnt played a video game in years or who have never owned a video game console who are into the wii.

I think to put the wii and 360 and PS3 in the same category is over simplifying the situation. In my eyes the 360 and PS3 are more direct competion with each other. This "generation" a true gamer would most likely own a wii and then make the choice between the PS3 and the 360. None of the people I know that play the wii are kids, but then i dont hang around alot of kids. But some of them are female, or those who work jobs that are stressful. Most are just looking for something mindless to do in their downtime. The wii seems to fit the bill. Kiddie? No, but I dont think you can argue that it appeals to the casual gamer, which is exactly what Nintendo sought to do with this console. Of course Im sure kids play the wii, just as they do the wii and the PS3.
 
[quote name='lord_ebonstone'] Unfortunately, they simultaneously alienated their original NES and SNES supporters -- what's now termed as the "hardcore" gamers. [/QUOTE]

Aside from the term "hardcore" being a totally bullshit term, that group is in itself a niche and has been becoming more so over the last few years, generally thanks to the PS1 and PS2.

Even if a game like Halo 2 sells 5 million copies, that's still...what, is it 1/4th or 1/6th the total Xbox userbase? I can't remember.

God of War might sell...let's be generous here - 10 million copies. That's still 10% of the PS2 userbase.

The point is that if you focus on those groups, you're alienating not only a good percentage of your installed base, but catering to the loudest and most vocal group that - even if they bought it all at launch - still only comprises a percentage, and it's not even in the majority.

Does that mean they aren't worth supporting? Of course not. It just means that they are not these golden hens everyone makes them out to be.
 
[quote name='Strell']Well of course it doesn't, if you shove the thing up your ass.[/QUOTE]

Damn you Strell! I almost had to send you the bill for my company's laptop on which I almost spit up the water I was drinking as I reached this post!
 
Wii sports is horrid.
Zelda is better on the lunchbox(cube).
Sonic and the secret rings will play better on the ps2:cool: :booty: :drool:
The wii's sensor bar is pathetic. 2 candles works better if you havent already tried!:applause:
PS I don't like ass sex, turd bomber.
 
[quote name='hupp']Wii sports is horrid.
Zelda is better on the lunchbox(cube).
Sonic and the secret rings will play better on the ps2:cool: :booty: :drool:
The wii's sensor bar is pathetic. 2 candles works better if you havent already tried!:applause:
PS I don't like ass sex, turd bomber.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

I was planning on posting a rebuttal but I think I'll wait for someone else to do it. This should be fun.
 
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