Core Cancelled, Premium $300 and Black HDMI 360 w/120g HDD in May!??!!?!

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This has been speculated for a while. Too lazy to dig up the other posts on these very forums about this though.
 
At GC awhile back we had a price change on our daily list that mentioned that black xbox 360. It said something along the lines of "Black xbox 360/120GB $489.99" but it was never entered into our computer system and i havn't heard anything since.
 
The only "new" thing would be the May date, but even that was speculated on already. In any case, I don't think that alone deserved it's own thread.
 
This is the first I've heard of a $300 premium, thats RIDICULOUS.

I'm sorry, but for that price, this in my mind, pretty much makes the 360 THE console to own. XBL, the marketplace, and ALL these GREAT games?? Are you kidding me? This makes me want to buy two!
 
Don't care about HDMI so much and I'm sure there will probably be some add-on for the current crop of 360s if this does come out, but that 120 G HDD is what i'm interested in. I wish that Microsoft would come out with some connector so that we could simply hook up an external HDD of our choosing to the machine or at least if there was some way to fashion one of our own with 500 G or something. I still have plenty of room, but some DLs are 1G+ like the maps for some games I play and I'm beginning to get low on space, unlike my old Xbox which i still have plenty of room on.
 
$300 for a Premium is pretty good...after some sort of coupon/discount shows up that lets me get one for around $250 with taxes/shipping/whatever then it might be time for me to get one.
 
[quote name='whoknows']$300 for a Premium is pretty good...after some sort of coupon/discount shows up that lets me get one for around $250 with taxes/shipping/whatever then it might be time for me to get one.[/quote]

You can still find the CC $40 off 200 floating around and there are still different ways to get it like changing your address, etc.
 
[quote name='Scorch']none of this is new.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Thanks much for the post OP, I've been trawling the xbox forums looking for info (wow, CAG has WAY better posters, by the way ;)) and found none of this just a few hours ago.

What's new here in this info is the price drop/elimination of core/May release date. In recent days I was beginning to get worried this thing wasn't happening, so this is good news. It seemed there was no more discussion of it anywhere. I realize, of course, that it is still rumor territory, but at least the info from these sites seems to be more than just the Australian retail rumor and the GC phantom price listing. The "inside info" from the German site seems to be a new source for the rumor, in any case.

Anyway, I've waited this long, I can certainly wait till May. The hard part is going to be getting a hold of one right when it comes out. This is going to be like the PS3/Wii launch all over again :roll:. I would imagine any shortage would be shorter-lived though (well, shorter than for the Wii, anyway ;)). But I'm building up this huge 360 collection and have nothing to play it on. I can wait till May, but not a day later than the release of the new model. Hopefully my friendly banter with my local GC and EB employees will pay off (as it did for the Wii).

Totally agree with this statement from the second site:
Microsoft, we know a new Xbox 360 model is coming out ... just fess up already! Is anyone with us on this one and getting sick of waiting for an official announcement and simply want some hard facts? We're thinking that the best chance of hearing any official news is in the coming weeks to steal some of the PS3's European launch thunder.
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Let's just get this crap over with already. I fully understand MS not mentioning this for as long as possible though - who's going to buy all those $400 Premiums or $300 Cores if the price is dropping in two months, let alone with the new model coming out? Possibly they will drop the existing system prices first though to help clear them out. That ought to put a fire under their sales. The good news (for me, anyway) out of this new round of rumors is that the new system will come out at $400 and not $480-$500. Nice, if true...

I don't know any German, but this excerpt from the original site is amusing:
Core-Modell läuft aus
Von der englischen Fachpresse bereits liebevoll “Retarded Package” betitelt (Idioten-Paket), fristete die Core Edition der Xbox 360 aufgrund der fehlenden Festplatte ein Schattendasein in den Händlerregalen.
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Idioten-Paket, indeed...
 
Now the question is how much can I get for my premium to put towards this new version - it will be worth it for a quieter disc drive alone.
 
I wish microsoft would spill already. The quicker they do, the more time i have to return my 360 over the 90 day return period.
 
[quote name='whoknows']$300 for a Premium is pretty good...after some sort of coupon/discount shows up that lets me get one for around $250 with taxes/shipping/whatever then it might be time for me to get one.[/quote]Ditto. I don't think I plan on worrying about filling up a 20GB drive or needing HDMI anytime soon.
 
[quote name='botticus']Ditto. I don't think I plan on worrying about filling up a 20GB drive or needing HDMI anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but don't forget the likelihood of a quieter drive (which you won't find on the premiums for a while - I have yet to see a post-Oct 360 and I've checked several at several different stores). Plus, there's a chance they are going to use the 65nm processors in this model, making it cooler, quieter (less fan noise), and more energy efficient. Besides the hard drive, those are important issues to me. I could care less about the color or the HDMI. Not to mention the possibility that they have revised a few other components that might make this thing a little more reliable (I can't see it being any WORSE than the current model in that regard :lol:).
 
Once this is confirmed by Microsoft I'll believe this. I'm goin to say, if this does happen, it will be a couple months before the release of Halo 3.
 
I like my white console....I would be interested in this, but my TV currently does not have HDMI, so I could care less. I still have about 5GB on my HDD, but I have 4 demos on there also. Once I delete those, I should be ok. BUT, content IS beginning to get larger. 120GB for one GRAW2 map....those can add up quickly. We'll see how this plays out
 
[quote name='io']Yeah, but don't forget the likelihood of a quieter drive (which you won't find on the premiums for a while - I have yet to see a post-Oct 360 and I've checked several at several different stores). Plus, there's a chance they are going to use the 65nm processors in this model, making it cooler, quieter (less fan noise), and more energy efficient. Besides the hard drive, those are important issues to me. I could care less about the color or the HDMI. Not to mention the possibility that they have revised a few other components that might make this thing a little more reliable (I can't see it being any WORSE than the current model in that regard :lol:).[/QUOTE]

I'll be more than happy to pick a new model up if it is quieter, has HDMI and a 120GB HDD. If it's just the HDD/HDMI, though, I'll just pick up a larger HDD. The quieter/cooler system would be a fantastic touch. Ultimately, I'll wait a few months after it comes out and see what people think of it/how often it dies compared w/ the current model. Besides, at that point the premium selling frenzy will hopefully have died down (with people selling theirs to put up money towards a new model).
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']You need more useless shit moving around in your sig.[/quote]


Good call on that one, WTF was he thinking?
 
Perhaps nobody noticed that a 512MB Memory Unit was recently OFFICALLY annouced by Microsoft? The Core System is not going away. Being able to advertise a low cost of entry to the platform is too useful, even if it represents a minority of sales in wealthier markets like North America.

As for a new model introduction in May that features a major change to the main board to implement HDMI (very non-trivial), don't place any bets you cannot afford to lose. With the chipset revision for the 65nm process node known to be in the works for late this year, it seems very unlikely Microsoft would invest a major chunk of money in a new board that would be very short lived before another version would needed for the new chipset if it is to be fully exploited in regards to power and cooling changes.

Nothing in the rumor is technically impossible but very imporbable for economic reasons.
 
Other than the ability to upscale SD DVDs and carrying the audio & video signal though one cable, are there any other reasons to go for an HDMI connection over Component? Is there any noticible improvement in video quality?

I know that some HD-DVD/Bluray discs can carry an advanced audio signal through HDMI, but if you don't have a receiver that supports it, I guess it doesn't really matter.
 
I call bullshit on the $300.

I firmly believe that Microsoft will drop the price of the premium 360 to $360.

Ya, I said it.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Other than the ability to upscale SD DVDs and carrying the audio & video signal though one cable, are there any other reasons to go for an HDMI connection over Component? Is there any noticible improvement in video quality?

I know that some HD-DVD/Bluray discs can carry an advanced audio signal through HDMI, but if you don't have a receiver that supports it, I guess it doesn't really matter.[/quote]

IMO, I think the video quality of hdmi is a lot better then component. When I got my new tv last spring, it was my first with hdmi inputs. For the first 2 weeks I had it I was using component cables with my comcast box. When I got the comcast box with hdmi outputs, there was a significant improvement on the picture quality. It is just my opinion, but my wife also couldn't believe the upgrade in quality of the image. If this rumor is true and comes out in may, I am planning on upgrading to this 360 solely because of the hdmi outputs.
 
I believe HDMI can carry 1080p also (where Component cannot).

I know some people may see an improvement, but most probably will not. I only have component, so I'm not worried. I have my PS3 with HDMI on another TV though, but they are different technologies, so you cannot really compare (RPTV vs LCD)
 
I bought a 360 the day after Christmas or the 1st of the year...I did get a free year replacement plan though...so if it craps out I could probably upgrade to the newer model. I might also upgrade if I can trade it in and only pay a little bit more for it. The quieter drive, the possible 65nm chipset, and the bigger hard drive would be worth it to me. I figure they would charge me $100 or so for a new bigger hard drive anyway. I don't need the HDMI but maybe I will in the future.
 
[quote name='SaMiDaDrAgOn']Once this is confirmed by Microsoft I'll believe this. I'm goin to say, if this does happen, it will be a couple months before the release of Halo 3.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree. Especially since it was not that long ago MS was still denying this as even being realistic.
 
peeps read the article...

its talking 299 euros down from 350 euros

299 euros = 394.261 USD
350 euros = 461.510 USD

this would put europe prices on par with US
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Other than the ability to upscale SD DVDs and carrying the audio & video signal though one cable, are there any other reasons to go for an HDMI connection over Component? Is there any noticible improvement in video quality?[/QUOTE]
Most of the time the differences between 1080i/1080p are in peoples' heads...depending on the capabilities of the television, anyway. There may be minor differences depending on whether they go with HDMI version 1.3 or above (which I assume they would), but it's not going to be something that is even CLOSE to immediately getting rid of/trading in your console for.

The two main reasons to go HDMI would be:

1. Some TVs only support 1080p via HDMI. If you must have 1080p for games AND movies, HDMI is the way to go. VGA can do it as well, but there have been compatibility issues with various TVs thus far. HDMI is a safer bet than VGA.

2. To eliminate any worries about the movie studios turning on their copy protection, but that is a non-issue at this point and will likely continue to be.

I know that some HD-DVD/Bluray discs can carry an advanced audio signal through HDMI, but if you don't have a receiver that supports it, I guess it doesn't really matter.
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Yep.

[quote name='fathamburger']No news of a tradein program then? might be time to sell off your current 360 in advance then.[/QUOTE]
Why would they announce a trade-in program before the rumored console is even officially confirmed?
 
The story I just read said 300 euros.. It doesn't mention dollars.

300 euros equals $396.09 today
 
[quote name='RobotSimp']peeps read the article...

its talking 299 euros down from 350 euros

299 euros = 394.261 USD
350 euros = 461.510 USD

this would put europe prices on par with US[/quote]

PWNT /end thread
 
Hope Microsoft does something for current 360 owners who want HDMI... gonna be kinda pissed if I have to sell my current system to get a new one (yes, I want the best technology out there).

Has something like this ever happened before with a home console? I know Nintendo revises it's portables all the time, but $100 - $130 isn't as big as making you drop an extra $400 - $500 with new tech in it.

I don't care about the color, the HD, or the disk drive... I just want HDMI. I'm just hoping MS has some kinda of plan to get current 360 owners some HDMI.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Hope Microsoft does something for current 360 owners who want HDMI... gonna be kinda pissed if I have to sell my current system to get a new one (yes, I want the best technology out there).

Has something like this ever happened before with a home console? I know Nintendo revises it's portables all the time, but $100 - $130 isn't as big as making you drop an extra $400 - $500 with new tech in it.

I don't care about the color, the HD, or the disk drive... I just want HDMI. I'm just hoping MS has some kinda of plan to get current 360 owners some HDMI.[/QUOTE]

They will do NOTHING. It's just like buying a TV. I got one that is 1080i only....now should i demand Mitsubishi give me a new TV because they have new technology.

Doesn't HDMI require new internals for it to work...so I doubt there will be a "add-on" type of thing...but who knows.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Other than the ability to upscale SD DVDs and carrying the audio & video signal though one cable, are there any other reasons to go for an HDMI connection over Component? Is there any noticible improvement in video quality?

I know that some HD-DVD/Bluray discs can carry an advanced audio signal through HDMI, but if you don't have a receiver that supports it, I guess it doesn't really matter.[/QUOTE]

If you have your 360 connected via VGA adapter, you really gain no benefit at all with HDMI. The end result is the same. VGA adapter upscales DVD's the same.

And no, contrary to a lot of rumors, the picture is not better with HDMI, it should be the same.

In many ways, buying HDMI devices can be risky because there are so many versions out there, and your tv only supports one.

I just want the bigger hard drive. I hope they announce that soon. (I hope they include some free video marketplace downloads with it)
 
Hmmm.

Hopefully Microsoft releases this quick so Best Buy runs out of the old version, so when I return my console under warrantee I get one of these new-fangled devices.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']If you have your 360 connected via VGA adapter, you really gain no benefit at all with HDMI. The end result is the same. VGA adapter upscales DVD's the same.

And no, contrary to a lot of rumors, the picture is not better with HDMI, it should be the same.

In many ways, buying HDMI devices can be risky because there are so many versions out there, and your tv only supports one.

I just want the bigger hard drive. I hope they announce that soon. (I hope they include some free video marketplace downloads with it)[/quote]

it depends on the tv...i got vga cables, but they were only using about 1/5th of my tv screen..i called tech support on my tv and the 360 hd dvd but came up that it was the tv and there was nothing I could do about it so I returned the cables...is hdmi better then vga visually I would say no (unless you get the problem I had) But IMO and the opinion of an unbiased non tech savy wife hdmi is better then component by a lot
 
[quote name='RobotSimp']peeps read the article...

its talking 299 euros down from 350 euros

299 euros = 394.261 USD
350 euros = 461.510 USD

this would put europe prices on par with US[/quote]
You forgot the European prices include tax, and consoles are generally more expensive in Europe. The Premium could easily be 299.99EUR in Europe, while being $299.99 in America at the same time.
 
[quote name='doubledown']They will do NOTHING. It's just like buying a TV. I got one that is 1080i only....now should i demand Mitsubishi give me a new TV because they have new technology.

Doesn't HDMI require new internals for it to work...so I doubt there will be a "add-on" type of thing...but who knows.[/QUOTE]

Yea, but when most people buy a home console, we don't really expect another of the SAME console with upgraded parts. It's just like televisions... did Mitsubishi upgrade your exact same model with better parts? No, it's a different model, similar to how Xbox ---> Xbox 360.

Most console "re-releases" were usually the same thing but just smaller, or a different color, or if they did add a new feature it was something you could also buy seperately (think the Saturn / N64 ram packs).

Now, we've got Sony taking away features in a new PS3 (bye bye BC), and Microsoft adding better features to their 360. I liked the old days that when I bought an Xbox, or a PS2, that was it, I only ever had to buy it once.

Now I'm contemplating buying a 360 a second time because they left out HDMI the first time? Seems crazy, and it's almost on par now with a PC - gotta make an "upgrade" every so often to keep up to par.

Just wondering what MS will add next to get us to drop another $400 - $500.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
In many ways, buying HDMI devices can be risky because there are so many versions out there, and your tv only supports one.[/QUOTE]

Negative. HDMI versions are backwards compatible. Example - if your TV is 1.2 and the 360 is released with a 1.3a spec, it will be fine. You won't be able to take advantage of the newer features (deep color, TrueHD & DTS-HD audio), but it will work fine.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
In many ways, buying HDMI devices can be risky because there are so many versions out there, and your tv only supports one.[/QUOTE]

Negative. HDMI versions are backwards compatible. Example - if your TV is 1.2 and the 360 is released with a 1.3a spec, it will be fine. You won't be able to take advantage of the newer features (deep color, lip sync, TrueHD & DTS-HD audio*), but it will work fine.




*I believe if the player decodes them, then you don't have to have HDMI 1.3 or above to get TrueHD or DTS-HD. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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