Corey Haim dead at the age of 38

Ready? Are you ready? :roll:

I've had access to legal or illegal drugs since I was a child just like damn near everybody else. I could have used them any time I wanted to. I made the conscious decision not to. There is nothing wrong with me because I made the right decision.

Is making B movies or taking care of a sick relative bad things? Absolutely not.

Is being found dead with several empty canisters of prescription drugs around your corpse a bad thing? Well, yes, I'm afraid so.

There will be a toxicology report. We'll know if he ODed on prescription drugs or just collected several empty containers of prescription drugs eventually.

I like how you keep bringing up how sad his mother and friends are going to be. Most enablers are sad at first. Eventually, they'll find a new addict to focus on or they'll start living their own lives instead of enduring the addict's life.
 
Someone who dies from a disease like Cancer or by an accident is a tragic event.

Being rich and famous, then losing everything and then killing yourself with illegal drugs is not tragic in any way. I have no fucking sympathy for losers like that.

Many people had a tough life. Not everyone kills themselves.

Not to mention being caught with illegal prescription drugs and being part of an illegal drug ring. Oh, poor Corey! :(

http://www.optimum.net/Entertainment/AP/Article?fmId=2758192
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Ready? Are you ready? :roll:

I've had access to legal or illegal drugs since I was a child just like damn near everybody else. I could have used them any time I wanted to. I made the conscious decision not to. There is nothing wrong with me because I made the right decision.

Is making B movies or taking care of a sick relative bad things? Absolutely not.

Is being found dead with several empty canisters of prescription drugs around your corpse a bad thing? Well, yes, I'm afraid so.

There will be a toxicology report. We'll know if he ODed on prescription drugs or just collected several empty containers of prescription drugs eventually.

I like how you keep bringing up how sad his mother and friends are going to be. Most enablers are sad at first. Eventually, they'll find a new addict to focus on or they'll start living their own lives instead of enduring the addict's life.[/QUOTE]
Everyone's situation is different. Just because you did not use drugs and someone else did does not make them any worse, weak, deserving of bad things/punishment, etc to happen to them. You should not compare yourself to people who have had wildly different experiences and lives than yourself. Had you be in his position you could have very well had your life end up exactly the same as he did, and vice versa. You need to stop applying your life experience onto other people.

So now the medication that he takes to wean himself off of drugs is now magically sprinkled around his corpse... it wasn't in his drawer... actually it must've been in the ambulance with him... you don't even seem to know what actually happened here... his mom was with him when he was feeling ill and she called for an ambulance... he was still alive when he got in the ambulance... etc. If you don't even know the actual facts you shouldn't act like you know what happened.

Ya I bring up his family and friends because dead people have them and they deserve respect rather than laughing at their loss. Vilify them just as you have Corey so you can feel no guilt about laughing and mocking him and his family. Close people enjoy to spend time and help out each other, it doesn't mean they have no lives.

Your behavior and attitudes are what is wrong with our country and media. You contribute to the problems child actors have with drugs when you mock, laugh, and ridicule them. When they see how everyone treats them, the negative things people say, how you mock them, that puts them even deeper into depression and despair - making it even harder to get off drugs and perform again.

You might as well go outside his mother's home and hold up a sign with the same shit on it that you posted here. Then tell me how society would react to your actions. How would you justify yourself then? It's no different than posting it here.

It shocks me that you can act like this and it really leaves me wondering if it's just jealousy deep inside you that you wish you could've been in movies, had some money, some nice girls. But you also would've had people decide you were no longer needed and been molested, and given money, freedom, access to drugs, etc. Most people would've made the same decisions he did in his situation, especially those who have similar personalities, and been likely to end up the same way. But because it happened to someone else and not you that makes them trash and you a much better person.

[quote name='Haggar']Someone who dies from a disease like Cancer or by an accident is a tragic event.

Being rich and famous, then losing everything and then killing yourself with illegal drugs is not tragic in any way. I have no fucking sympathy for losers like that.

Many people had a tough life. Not everyone kills themselves.

Not to mention being caught with illegal prescription drugs and being part of an illegal drug ring. Oh, poor Corey! :(

http://www.optimum.net/Entertainment/AP/Article?fmId=2758192[/QUOTE]

Someone who suffers from a drug addiction that leads to their death is one of the most tragic deaths there is, especially when they've battled it for so very long, especially when Hollywood chewed them up and spit them out and society turned their back on them. Doesn't make them a loser it makes them unfortunate. Nobody is a loser. If we recognize that people just have problems we can avoid others from developing the same issues. If we just mock them and make them out to be undeserving of respect then they'll never get better and we'll see more and more people experience what they did.

You're ignoring the disease of addiction and what it does to people. Having such a prescription does not mean he is part of a drug ring.
 
[quote name='J7.']
You're ignoring the disease of addiction and what it does to people. Having such a prescription does not mean he is part of a drug ring.[/QUOTE]

That is one thing I have a problem with is calling addiction a disease.

Addiction isn't a disease. A cold, cancer, or the flu is a disease. Addiction is a habitual physical or psychological need to do something. Hence "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" instead of "Obessive Compulsive Disease".
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']That is one thing I have a problem with is calling addiction a disease.

Addiction isn't a disease. A cold, cancer, or the flu is a disease. Addiction is a habitual physical or psychological need to do something. Hence "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" instead of "Obessive Compulsive Disease".[/QUOTE]

Scientists who study it will disagree with you. Go read about disease, disorder, what happens to the brain when you use drugs, etc.

As a result of scientific research, we know that addiction is a disease that affects both brain and behavior. We have identified many of the biological and environmental factors and are beginning to search for the genetic variations that contribute to the development and progression of the disease.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/ScienceofAddiction/
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Scientific research into addiction, however, has led experts to conclude that addiction is actually a disease, a chronic illness like diabetes or hypertension. The American Medical Association broke new ground approximately forty years ago when it declared alcoholism to be a disease. And in the past decade, dramatic advances in technology have allowed scientists to examine the brain itself in search of the causes, mechanisms, and consequences of addiction. Today, scientists and physicians overwhelmingly agree that while use and even abuse of drugs such as alcohol and cocaine is a behavior over which the individual exerts control, addiction to these substances is something different. Scientists have begun to understand why addicted people may sacrifice everything that's important to them -- their jobs, their families, their homes -- in the quest for a chemical fix.

"When you get into an addicted state, it's a disease of the brain," says Alan Leshner, Ph.D., director of the federal government's National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA). Leshner says the stigma associated with alcohol and drug addiction is one of the biggest problems experts continually face in dealing with it. Leshner says that the public has little sympathy for addicts, but he adds that "whether you like the person or not, you've got to deal with [their problem] as an illness."
http://www.thirteen.org/closetohome/science/
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Addiction is like most major diseases. Consider heart disease, the leading cause of death in the developed world. It's partly due to genes and partly due to poor life style choices such as bad diet, lack of exercise, and smoking. The same is true for other common diseases like adult-onset diabetes. Many forms of cancers are due to a combination of genes and life style. But if your doctor said that you had diabetes or heart disease, you wouldn't think you were bad person. You would think, "What can I do to overcome this disease?" That is how you should approach addiction.

Addiction is not a weakness. The fact that addiction crosses all socio-economic boundaries confirms that addiction is a disease. People who don't know about addiction will tell you that you just need to be stronger to control your use. But if that was true then only unsuccessful people or unmotivated people would have an addiction, and yet 10% of high-functioning executives have an addiction.

If you think of addiction as a weakness, you'll paint yourself into a corner that you can't get out of. You'll focus on being stronger and trying to control your use, instead of treating addiction like a disease and focusing on stopping your use.
http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/is-addiction-a-disease.htm
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http://www.medical-online.com/addict.htm
 
Doesn't change what I posted. They're not the only ones to back up addiction as a disease or more broadly illness.
 
[quote name='J7.']
You're ignoring the disease of addiction and what it does to people. Having such a prescription does not mean he is part of a drug ring.[/QUOTE]

Did someone tie Corey Haim down and force drugs into his body? Did someone frame Corey Haim by placing illegal prescriptions and illegal prescription drugs into his ghetto apartment?

No, they did not.

Corey Haim made the choice to take drugs himself because he was a fucking loser. And I don't give a shit about him. When worthless pieces of shit like Corey Haim kill themselves with drugs because they are too stupid to live, it just makes me feel sorry for all the people in the world who died without a choice- because of cancer, they were murdered, they were in an accident, etc.

Corey Haim died because he was a fucking retard.
 
As much as I love 80s movies and the actors in them (including both Coreys), :applause: :applause:

[quote name='Haggar']Did someone tie Corey Haim down and force drugs into his body? Did someone frame Corey Haim by placing illegal prescriptions and illegal prescription drugs into his ghetto apartment?

No, they did not.

Corey Haim made the choice to take drugs himself because he was a fucking loser. And I don't give a shit about him. When worthless pieces of shit like Corey Haim kill themselves with drugs because they are too stupid to live, it just makes me feel sorry for all the people in the world who died without a choice- because of cancer, they were murdered, they were in an accident, etc.

Corey Haim died because he was a fucking retard.[/QUOTE]
 
Just ignore what addiction is and continue to live in ignorance then. You have no idea what you're talking about. I feel sorry for people that get ridiculed when they should be given compassion. I feel sorry for people that keep on using and end up dead because people like you gotta treat them like shit because you think you know shit you know jack shit about. You know more than the most intelligent scientists in the world who back up their opinions with factual data. Your opinion is greater than that. Grab a fucking book and read about something before you pretend to know wtf you're talking about. Google it and humanity is one more step in the right direction.

When you take a drug it alters your brain chemicals and functioning so that your brain cannot function normally without the drug. It is not about willpower. Anyone can end up like Haim easily.
 
As much as I absolutely hate to do this, I've gotta agree with FOC here. Ultimately, it comes down to willpower to not begin taking drugs as heavily as he did.

If he hadn't gotten hooked in the first place, he'd never have gotten addicted, and if he hadn't gotten addicted, he'd still be alive today.

You've gotta say "yes" a few thousand times to find yourself in his position. You've only gotta say "no" once.
 
To get hooked you need to be addicted. It's not about saying no. Some people are predisposed to addiction. They cannot just say no. How many people do you see able to quit smoking and how many times do they have to try? Then take something like that and apply someone who has genes that make them even more likely to have a strong addiction and imagine how hard it is for them to stop. I wouldn't argue about this if I wasn't 100% sure I am right. I know about this stuff and that is why I get so angry when I see someone acting so strongly in the other direction and I can clearly see it's because they don't know about it. And if they've never even tried drugs they know even less about it, very very little. They probably know a lot more about something else than I do, but not about this topic. Read a little bit about it. Start with the quotes I provided above and go from there.

Edit: If you mean say no once the very first time, yes, but you're not considering his situation. You did not live in his shoes so you cannot judge him. He probably did not ever get taught about drugs for one thing as he became an actor so young. He was a teenager in the rebellious phase in fucking Hollywood. He didn't realize he could get so addicted and not be able to stop. His personal biological makeup made him more likely to both be addicted and be much more strongly addicted. Everyone makes bad choices at that age under less pressure and within a completely different world than what he was in.
 
[quote name='J7.']When you take a drug it alters your brain chemicals and functioning so that your brain cannot function normally without the drug. It is not about willpower. Anyone can end up like Haim easily.[/QUOTE]

I 100% agree.

What convinced me: a Chrisitian lead recited:
We have a convert high on Christ. He was high on drugs and now regrets that he had been so addicted for so many years and missed out on all of God's beauty.

Um hi, I love hiking and don't believe in one supreme God. Holy shit that guy must have been fuckED UP.
 
[quote name='JJSP']As much as I absolutely hate to do this, I've gotta agree with FOC here. Ultimately, it comes down to willpower to not begin taking drugs as heavily as he did.

If he hadn't gotten hooked in the first place, he'd never have gotten addicted, and if he hadn't gotten addicted, he'd still be alive today.

You've gotta say "yes" a few thousand times to find yourself in his position. You've only gotta say "no" once.[/QUOTE]

He was talent succumbed to addiction. A tragedy.

To wit:

So many fatties in America. Every day is another chance to turn it around, to say "yes" to exercise.

c wat i did dere

Easier said then done.
 
Someone dying a long, painful, suffering death from cancer is tragic.

Someone dying a long, painful, suffering death from coke addiction is pathetic.

In the interest of full disclosure, my father is a recovering alcoholic who used to need a fifth just to start his day. He's got almost 15 years sober. My mother dealt pot, coke, and acid heavily for most of my adolescent life. She only stopped when she did 4 1/2 years on trafficking charges. She's now working for the Catholic Diocese in Cleveland drug-free since 2000. I witnesses first hand what substance abuse does to a person, and I've also seen first hand what recovery does to a person.

Corey Haim and the countless others that have died as a result of drug abuse (granted, we don't know for sure on Haim - signs point yes, but not confirmed) have every opportunity afforded to them to relapse, but also have every opportunity to seek the help they need. If they don't, they have absolutely no one to blame but themselves.
 
He did seek help, many times. Everyone's addiction & situation is different. You can't say because person A was able to recover person B should've recovered. Edit: I've read he checked himself into rehab 15 times.
 
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[quote name='JJSP']Someone dying a long, painful, suffering death from cancer is tragic.

Someone dying a long, painful, suffering death from coke addiction is pathetic.

In the interest of full disclosure, my father is a recovering alcoholic who used to need a fifth just to start his day. He's got almost 15 years sober. My mother dealt pot, coke, and acid heavily for most of my adolescent life. She only stopped when she did 4 1/2 years on trafficking charges. She's now working for the Catholic Diocese in Cleveland drug-free since 2000. I witnesses first hand what substance abuse does to a person, and I've also seen first hand what recovery does to a person.

Corey Haim and the countless others that have died as a result of drug abuse (granted, we don't know for sure on Haim - signs point yes, but not confirmed) have every opportunity afforded to them to relapse, but also have every opportunity to seek the help they need. If they don't, they have absolutely no one to blame but themselves.[/QUOTE]

Read your own post, you don't think this is a little extreme?
 
Attention everyone: You might catch the disease of addiction just by reading this thread. It is digitally airborne and could kill you and your family in seconds. There are no cures at this time. The military may have to bomb your entire town/city/whatever unless Dustin Hoffman saves you.
 
J7, I can't find a "Keep On Enablin'" picture. However, here is a link to a nice shirt.

http://www.chronicliving.co.uk/store/image/D10_EnablerTShirts_1.gif

Even if I could strip Corey Haim out of an alternate universe where he chose to stay away from drugs and condemns ODCH's behavior, you would generate some excuse as to how he can't be judged.

Have you ever watched the Maury Povich show? Do you notice similarities to your defense and when some dreg of society shouts, "You don't know me!"?

Nobody likes to take responsibility for bad things. "I was only following orders", "I didn't know the gun was loaded", "I didn't know she was 3", "He called me a name." and "I have a disease." are just excuses people use to avoid taking responsibility.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']

Nobody likes to take responsibility for bad things. "I was only following orders", "I didn't know the gun was loaded", "I didn't know she was 3", "He called me a name." and "I have a disease." are just excuses people use to avoid taking responsibility.[/QUOTE]

BINGO. A true disease is one that you have no control over getting. Obesity isn't a disease any more than drug addiction is. People don't take responsibility for much these days. I'm not sure if it's as prevalent in other countries, but there is far too much "oh poor me" and "it's not my fault" aka "blame someone else" here in the USA.
 
[quote name='keithp']BINGO. A true disease is one that you have no control over getting. Obesity isn't a disease any more than drug addiction is. People don't take responsibility for much these days. I'm not sure if it's as prevalent in other countries, but there is far too much "oh poor me" and "it's not my fault" aka "blame someone else" here in the USA.[/QUOTE]

Some people can use a drug and not become addicted easily, can use it a helluva lot and be able to stop. Others can use it a few times and develop a serious addiction. They don't have control over that nor control once they become addicted. While I won't talk about how obesity is classified since I don't know a lot about it to make detailed claims (just like people here should not do about drugs), I will say that some people are born obese based on their genes while others are obese from their lifestyle. Have you ever known people obese from the time they were born who diet and exercise yet still stay fat? Would you say they have control over that outside of getting surgery?

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']J7, I can't find a "Keep On Enablin'" picture. However, here is a link to a nice shirt.

http://www.chronicliving.co.uk/store/image/D10_EnablerTShirts_1.gif

Even if I could strip Corey Haim out of an alternate universe where he chose to stay away from drugs and condemns ODCH's behavior, you would generate some excuse as to how he can't be judged.

Have you ever watched the Maury Povich show? Do you notice similarities to your defense and when some dreg of society shouts, "You don't know me!"?

Nobody likes to take responsibility for bad things. "I was only following orders", "I didn't know the gun was loaded", "I didn't know she was 3", "He called me a name." and "I have a disease." are just excuses people use to avoid taking responsibility.[/QUOTE]

You think I'm enabling this type of behavior? We can only prevent this type of shit happening if we find out the science behind it and realize addicts are under the control of a drug, lend them compassion, and help them out of it. Blaming them and seeing them as weak is only going to keep them addicted. Do you also believe those in jail are being rehabilitated?

You can't judge him for trying drugs. Someone doesn't deserve to become so addicted and die just because they tried drugs. Nobody in life is perfect and doesn't make mistakes. Unless you live in someone's shoes you cannot judge them just like you should not be judged yourself by strangers.

The people on Maury I've seen are usually cheating or having sex underage, things they have control over, completely different than an addiction to a drug.

Actually people who are addicted don't usually seek help until they realize they have a disease they have no control over... It is only when they realize it's a disease that they take responsibility in quitting because they realize it's not about willpower.
 
Yes, you're enabling the behavior by making excuses for it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2171131/pagenum/all/

"Characterizing addiction as a brain disease misappropriates language more properly used to describe conditions such as multiple sclerosis or schizophrenia—afflictions that are neither brought on by sufferers themselves nor modifiable by their desire to be well. Also, the brain disease rhetoric is fatalistic, implying that users can never fully free themselves of their drug or alcohol problems.Finally, and most important, it threatens to obscure the vast role personal agency plays in perpetuating the cycle of use and relapse to drugs and alcohol."

Now, I know you're big on telling complete strangers they don't know what they're talking about. So, here are some links to the authors of the article. You can email them and let them know you know more than them.

http://www.sallysatelmd.com/html/about_the_author.html

http://www.psychology.emory.edu/clinical/lilienfeld/index.html

You can have your opinion by cherrypicking what helps your case and I'll do the same.

Corey is responsible for his actions. He wasn't killed by a disease. He killed himself.
 
[quote name='J7.']Some people can use a drug and not become addicted easily, can use it a helluva lot and be able to stop. Others can use it a few times and develop a serious addiction. They don't have control over that nor control once they become addicted. While I won't talk about how obesity is classified since I don't know a lot about it to make detailed claims (just like people here should not do about drugs), I will say that some people are born obese based on their genes while others are obese from their lifestyle. Have you ever known people obese from the time they were born who diet and exercise yet still stay fat? Would you say they have control over that outside of getting surgery?



You think I'm enabling this type of behavior? We can only prevent this type of shit happening if we find out the science behind it and realize addicts are under the control of a drug, lend them compassion, and help them out of it. Blaming them and seeing them as weak is only going to keep them addicted. Do you also believe those in jail are being rehabilitated?

You can't judge him for trying drugs. Someone doesn't deserve to become so addicted and die just because they tried drugs. Nobody in life is perfect and doesn't make mistakes. Unless you live in someone's shoes you cannot judge them just like you should not be judged yourself by strangers.

The people on Maury I've seen are usually cheating or having sex underage, things they have control over, completely different than an addiction to a drug.

Actually people who are addicted don't usually seek help until they realize they have a disease they have no control over... It is only when they realize it's a disease that they take responsibility in quitting because they realize it's not about willpower.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that the guy died and all, but if you have people telling you how dangerous something is, but try it anyway, you deserve whatever happens to you. If you try cocaine, become addicted, and end up dieing, it's your own stupid fault. It's no secret that some things are addictive and dangerous, we have absolutely no lack of information on the dangers of drug use.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Corey Haim is dead, but Horatio Alger still lives according to the comments in this thread.[/QUOTE]

Nobody said Corey Haim had to shake off his addiction by his own bootstraps.

He very well could have chosen to go back to rehab for the Nth time. He very well could have chosen to leave LA years ago and live in some backwoods location where his drugs of choice weren't a speed dial and a few minutes away.

...

Let's take some potshots at the DSM and the APA with some speculation.

1. Homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness. So, the APA isn't infallible.
2. Lots of people are addicted to prescription drugs. Drugs they were prescribed by members of the ... APA.

Let me preempt.
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There. Let's try to keep focus.

3. Rehab is expensive. Insurance companies aren't going to pay big bucks for elective procedures.
4. Ergo, some APA members may have voted to classify drug addiction as a disease so people they assisted into becoming drug addicts didn't have to look for somebody with deep pockets (ie. a person who prescribes drugs for a living) in order to pay for rehab.

Of course, that is just speculation. Doctors are far too educated to vote in their self-interest.
 
I'm not saying the guy had to quite cold turkey or something, just it's ridiculous to call something a disease when you have control over it. If you call it a disease, it basically makes the drugs or alcohol a germ, in that if you're never exposed to it, you can't be infected. I don't even want to point out the irony in thinking that alcohol carries a disease. I'm not unsympathetic to addicts, an uncle of mine was an alcoholic and eventually died due to it, but i never felt like he died from disease, he died because he wouldn't stop drinking.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Yes, you're enabling the behavior by making excuses for it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2171131/pagenum/all/

"Characterizing addiction as a brain disease misappropriates language more properly used to describe conditions such as multiple sclerosis or schizophrenia—afflictions that are neither brought on by sufferers themselves nor modifiable by their desire to be well. Also, the brain disease rhetoric is fatalistic, implying that users can never fully free themselves of their drug or alcohol problems.Finally, and most important, it threatens to obscure the vast role personal agency plays in perpetuating the cycle of use and relapse to drugs and alcohol."

Now, I know you're big on telling complete strangers they don't know what they're talking about. So, here are some links to the authors of the article. You can email them and let them know you know more than them.

http://www.sallysatelmd.com/html/about_the_author.html

http://www.psychology.emory.edu/clinical/lilienfeld/index.html

You can have your opinion by cherrypicking what helps your case and I'll do the same.

Corey is responsible for his actions. He wasn't killed by a disease. He killed himself.[/QUOTE]

I'm not making excuses for it, I'm pointing out that some people can have the most serious of addictions and how easy they can become addicted. And that they have no control over their actions that are tied to using. If we don't see the way the brain's chemicals change and how it uses them then we're segmenting the addiction to only the person's physical actions... A person's actions are driven by physical and psychological. You cannot ignore that.

What I've been posting is the dominant view. You can always find evidence to contradict the dominant view. And it has been supported by scientific evidence, by the examination of people's brains.

[quote name='JolietJake']I'm sorry that the guy died and all, but if you have people telling you how dangerous something is, but try it anyway, you deserve whatever happens to you. If you try cocaine, become addicted, and end up dieing, it's your own stupid fault. It's no secret that some things are addictive and dangerous, we have absolutely no lack of information on the dangers of drug use.[/QUOTE]

Who told him how dangerous the drugs he tried were before he tried them for the first time? More likely he was given drugs for free the first time he used and may have never received any education about them. People use cell phones all the time despite the fact that they may cause brain tumors. People figure the risk is not that high, not different at all from what he probably perceived the risks of trying a drug to be.

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Nobody said Corey Haim had to shake off his addiction by his own bootstraps.

He very well could have chosen to go back to rehab for the Nth time. He very well could have chosen to leave LA years ago and live in some backwoods location where his drugs of choice weren't a speed dial and a few minutes away.

...

Let's take some potshots at the DSM and the APA with some speculation.

1. Homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness. So, the APA isn't infallible.
2. Lots of people are addicted to prescription drugs. Drugs they were prescribed by members of the ... APA.

Let me preempt.
4428327318a5058059653ml.jpg
There. Let's try to keep focus.

3. Rehab is expensive. Insurance companies aren't going to pay big bucks for elective procedures.
4. Ergo, some APA members may have voted to classify drug addiction as a disease so people they assisted into becoming drug addicts didn't have to look for somebody with deep pockets (ie. a person who prescribes drugs for a living) in order to pay for rehab.

Of course, that is just speculation. Doctors are far too educated to vote in their self-interest.[/QUOTE]
Why would he leave if he was under the control of a drug? Why do people do anything to obtain drugs... why do rats consume cocaine instead of food - until they die - when given the choice of both... because they're not thinking straight due to their addiction and the way the drug has changed their brain. He did leave eventually. But why would he go through rehab if he tried it 15 times and it didn't work? He lost faith in it being able to help him at the same time his choices were drug-influenced. Double dose against trying it again.

[quote name='JolietJake']I'm not saying the guy had to quite cold turkey or something, just it's ridiculous to call something a disease when you have control over it. If you call it a disease, it basically makes the drugs or alcohol a germ, in that if you're never exposed to it, you can't be infected. I don't even want to point out the irony in thinking that alcohol carries a disease. I'm not unsympathetic to addicts, an uncle of mine was an alcoholic and eventually died due to it, but i never felt like he died from disease, he died because he wouldn't stop drinking.[/QUOTE]

It's not carrying - it's creating a disease. Many addicts attempt to quit their entire lives and do everything they can but the drug has control. Not using the drug is like not eating. You don't function without it.
 
If Corey Haim was stupid enough to think that *insert drug* was safe then his stupid ass got what he deserved. No compassion for idiocy here. I realize that he was young and had money and made some bad decisions, but thats no excuse for someone's stupidity. If it were then we'd have to feel the same way about half of the actors in hollywood.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']If Corey Haim was stupid enough to think that *insert drug* was safe then his stupid ass got what he deserved. No compassion for idiocy here. I realize that he was young and had money and made some bad decisions, but thats no excuse for someone's stupidity. If it were then we'd have to feel the same way about half of the actors in hollywood. everyone ever[/QUOTE]

fixed that for you. Nobody's perfect, and I don't think the "they get what they deserve" applies here. Who doesn't take risks? Why don't people say, for example, Dale Earnhardt "got what he deserved," because NASCAR has its risks as well?
 
Alright, maybe thats not the right way to put it. I'll say that what happened to him isn't unusual and because he should have known the risks, i don't feel sorry for him.

And a NASCAR analogy? Really?;)
 
Well, what came to mind was the number of Earnhardt stickers I see on cars. Stupid "3"s with halos and/or wings on them - they exalt the man for what he did, and don't blame him, saying "well, he should have known the risks."

NASCAR ≠ drugs, of course, but I don't think that's quite enough to explain why one person's risk taking behavior makes them 'deserving of death' and another a victim deserving of exaltation.
 
I didn't mean the guy deserved to die, i shouldn't have put it that way i know. I just mean that whatever he went through in his life was of his own doing. Nobody (that i know of) made him start taking drugs. I don't know what he used through out his life, sounds mostly like prescription drugs. I'm sure he was aware that it was dangerous to abuse them.

I doubt that most racing fans would make excuses for a racer's death, they know the risks and accept them as part of what they do. It's like sky diving, you have to accept the risk that your chute may not open and you may die. I wouldn't feel sorry for someone if that happened, they knew the risks, you'd have to be crazy not to.

A friend of mine has a brother who is in drug rehab, and even though i feel sorry for her and her family for what they're having to deal with, i'm not going to pity her brother. I hope he gets better and stays clean, but he has to do it himself, no one can make him stay off them.
 
So.....we need to spend more on the War on Drugs? Is that the solution? Lest we face a great drought in aging child actors?
 
On May 4, 2010, the L.A. County Coroner's office autopsy report revealed that Haim died of diffuse alveolar damage and pneumonia, together with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and coronary arteriosclerosis, ruled a natural death. As to speculation about whether drugs were involved, the Coroner stated: "the toxicology report revealed no significant contributing factor."

I swear I remember someone posted here they would rescind what they said if it was not an overdose...

[quote name='Strell']So.....we need to spend more on the War on Drugs? Is that the solution? Lest we face a great drought in aging child actors?[/QUOTE]

I said people need treatment - not to be vilified for getting addicted. The way things are now we don't rehabilitate we just put them in a prison cell and let the process repeat over and over again. Meanwhile they turn into worse people from the prison experience and criminals they meet. We need to change how we deal with the problem not decide to do nothing about it. We're beginning to see a change as rehab is becoming a larger part of the way we deal with users who used to just sit in jail.

Paying for people to rot in jail, be released without rehabilitation, and relapse saves us a lot of money. :roll: Especially when they're arrested again and spend more time in jail. It's also better to have people on drugs out on the streets involved in crime and causing accidents right? We should also fund cartels in Mexico and pay terrorists in Afghanistan for their opiates. Real crime does not get addressed appropriately because we're too busy trying to just jail people for drug use. Prisons are overcrowded because of it.

So what is your solution since you think we shouldn't spend money on preventing people from using drugs or treating them for being addicted? Should we make everything legal (not talking about just marijuana), tax it, and have even more addicts? Destroy people's lives and the lives of their kin by letting them use drugs and then use the money we made off them to treat them or just profit off their losses? Go to war with the countries developing drugs because we're now in competition with them? Or spend nothing fighting drug use and addiction letting criminals make money at the expense of those who become addicted who then spread drug related disease? Or maybe we should just continue to let prescription drug companies take over and let the drug companies use people? That is after all what happened to Corey Haim... it was the legal prescription drugs that were his downfall.

And what about the children of addicts? Should their parents sit in jail for a while then come back to them months/years later without their addiction being addressed? So they can get arrested and go off to jail again? Surely, that is better for their future and our future.

I hope it is clear I am not saying the War on Drugs is the right thing to do because it is not. The way we approach it is flawed.
 
[quote name='keithp']BINGO. A true disease is one that you have no control over getting. Obesity isn't a disease any more than drug addiction is. People don't take responsibility for much these days. I'm not sure if it's as prevalent in other countries, but there is far too much "oh poor me" and "it's not my fault" aka "blame someone else" here in the USA.[/QUOTE]

This. I find it aggravating and insulting to hear that my getting cancer could possibly be compared to the consequence of being a tweaker. I've never done illegal drugs nor have smoked... I was 22 when I was diagnosed.
 
[quote name='J7.']I swear I remember someone posted here they would rescind what they said if it was not an overdose...[/QUOTE]

Yep. Jerky comments rescinded.

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[quote name='Eldorodimus']This. I find it aggravating and insulting to hear that my getting cancer could possibly be compared to the consequence of being a tweaker. I've never done illegal drugs nor have smoked... I was 22 when I was diagnosed.[/QUOTE]

I'll refrain from debating this out of respect for your plight.

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Yep. Jerky comments rescinded.

EDIT: Interest in subject will not return.[/QUOTE]

What a noble way of doing it.
 
[quote name='J7.']I'll refrain from debating this out of respect for your plight.



What a noble way of doing it.[/QUOTE]

I'm admitting I was wrong the wrong way?

Have you ever been detained by the police with them muttering to themselves, "Where's the rest of John Holmes?"
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I'm admitting I was wrong the wrong way?

Have you ever been detained by the police with them muttering to themselves, "Where's the rest of John Holmes?"[/QUOTE]

Ever have someone apologize to you but not really mean it? I guess not. Or apologize insincerely and throw a jab immediately afterwards? Furthermore, when do people use the term "yep" in such situations... usually when they're not listening, just trying to dismiss you, or rile you up. It's beyond evident you did not mean it. So go ahead and delete it because I'm not accepting your apology when it's fake.
 
Sorry for bumping something that was old, but I had a reason. Someone talked some major shit about something I care about and said they would apologize if it wasn't an overdose.
 
[quote name='J7.']Ever have someone apologize to you but not really mean it? I guess not. Or apologize insincerely and throw a jab immediately afterwards? Furthermore, when do people use the term "yep" in such situations... usually when they're not listening, just trying to dismiss you, or rile you up. It's beyond evident you did not mean it. So go ahead and delete it because I'm not accepting your apology when it's fake.[/QUOTE]

Is the "Weekend at Corey Haim's" poster still up and can you determine when it was removed?

LOL @ neocisco's picture.
 
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