Dark Souls (Project Dark) - October 4, 2011

[quote name='gettinmoney662']First, reloading once doesn't always respawn the lizards, you have to repeatedly reload until they show up. Look at the Wiki for all of their locations, there are nine lizards in the tree.[/QUOTE]

But yeah, thanks for pointing out the wiki in any case. I didn't think it would have info on lizard locations.

I was able to get to that platform and that was the best spot. There are 3 there and I did get a titanite slab from one. So I may just go ahead and do lightning spear +5 to keep and use now that I have 2 titanite slabs and I think will get a third later?

Here's the key thing to getting to that platform which is well worth it (and it is close to the top):

1.[highlight]From the starting campire, look out into the hollow and drop off to the right, land on a branch.[/highlight] Follow this branch around to the wall. From here you can drop to a platform with a lizard. Drops Twinkling Titanite and Green Titanite.

2.From the previous platform enter the cave, a lizard spawns at the back. Drops Twinkling Titanite, Green Titanite, and Titanite with a potential for Titanite Slab.

3.[highlight]From the branch you dropped to at the starting campire, follow it until it curves. You can drop against the wall to a second branch. From this branch drop carefully to a narrow ledge.[/highlight] Immediately turn and kill the lizard at the cave entrance. Drops Twinkling Titanite and Titanite

4.From the last lizard follow the cave until it lets out onto a large platform. 3 lizards spawn here so reload to see them all. The Homing Soulmass spells are particularly useful here. Be careful not to knock them off the edge of the platform, as the platform below has three basilisks! Drop Twinkling Titanite, REd Titanite, White Titanite, and Titanite, with a potential for Titanite Slab.
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And thanks Jodou - that's kind of what I figured. I mean, between meeting up with multiple people out there with summon buddies (who you figure have to be people who know each other if they are camping in the Dark Forest) and the random crazy equipment and spells I saw people using I figured I just ran into a buzz saw there. I am going to try it a little now as soon as I can farm one more Eye of Death from the curse frogs. Then I will try it some time that I never play - mid-day tomorrow or something. Right now I'm approaching that late night pro/camper time (1am Pacific) yet again so I we'll see how it goes.
 
[quote name='io']But yeah, thanks for pointing out the wiki in any case. I didn't think it would have info on lizard locations.

I was able to get to that platform and that was the best spot. There are 3 there and I did get a titanite slab from one. So I may just go ahead and do lightning spear +5 to keep and use now that I have 2 titanite slabs and I think will get a third later.[/QUOTE]

Are you going for platinum or just trying to beat the game? If you're going for platinum, 7ou really shouldn't waste a slab on the Lightning Spear, because that will definitely not last into NG+. If you're hell bent on using the spear for awhile, take it to +4 since chunks are easily farmable, but you will get much more attack power by taking some other weapons to +5 Lightning, and you won't have to worry about a tiny hit box for bosses.
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']Are you going for platinum or just trying to beat the game? If you're going for platinum, 7ou really shouldn't waste a slab on the Lightning Spear, because that will definitely not last into NG+. If you're hell bent on using the spear for awhile, take it to +4 since chunks are easily farmable, but you will get much more attack power by taking some other weapons to +5 Lightning, and you won't have to worry about a tiny hit box for bosses.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, platinum. I'll save it. I already have the spear at +4. I finally got an uchigatana and I know you are big on those.

As for the Forest Covenant, it was an entirely different story tonight - like night and day. I only got summoned twice in about an hour of running around with the cat ring on. Last night I was getting summoned every 2-5 minutes. And this time it was a much more fair fight - pretty much what I was expecting it to be going into it yesterday. I was in a pretty good battle with one guy and then when a second invader came in he was toast. In the second one by the time I found the guy, another invader was finishing him off. I got about 80K souls from that last one. But he did indict me which I didn't think was possible if you were doing the forest covenant (I thought that was just for pure invasion). So, what does that mean?

Then I went on to the Hydra by the crystal golems. I cannot get the golden golem to spawn. Does it show up on the other side of the waterfall? The wiki seems to indicate that but Jodou's guide seems to say it is near the hydra (which was to the right of the lake - at least when I fought it).

In any case, I quit and reloaded 3 or 4 times, went all the way to a bonfire and back, etc... No golden crystal golem - WTF!? I'll try it a bit more right now. I am not in human form but I thought that was only necessary for summoning Dusk once you kill the golem. I don't want to burn a humanity until I know I'm ready.

Edit: OK, the golden golem is WAY WAY WAY far from the Hyrda - this was not clear to me at all. It is WAY across the lake and around a corner :lol:. I thought it was going to be on the lakeshore. I didn't think you could walk through that water because I was used to Ash Lake where if you just go out a little bit (or even slide down the wrong side of a dune) you die. So, yeah, found him and got all the stuff from Dusk. One correction for the walkthrough is that you do not need to be in human form to summon Dusk! I did it just fine hollow and with 0 humanity. I'm glad I saw her sign before I wasted one of my last 2 or 3 humanity (I will have to go farm more I guess).

Then I went back to the Forest Covenant again and all of a sudden it was more like last night. I was getting summoned in every few minutes. This is just very bizarre - didn't reallly kick in until 2-3 AM Pacific. Maybe these are Japanese players? Anyway, I did much better than last night because I was prepared. I had one guy nearly dead with fireballs but then I cast one too many and he got behind me for a backstab - that one was clear to see and it was because I was in that super slow pyro animation. Another time I nailed a guy with TWOP and then I tried to go in with shield raised and hack away at him. But I didn't press the d-pad properly and instead of raising my shield I cast TWOP again and while I was doing that he hit me over the head with a huge axe. I survived that but was mortally wounded so I couldn't last long.

But I did manage to get my third kill when I went into a world where another phantom was just finishing off a guy ;). So I got the fog ring and am pretty much done with that - though I was starting to have a bit more fun with it than last night. One world I went into had a summon tag-team and both guys were tanks. They must have had Havel's armor on. I could pelt the guy with fireballs because he couldn't move fast, but the 90 damage barely knicked his health bar. Another invader came in to distract the summon so I was pounding on the main guy. But once the summon killed the other guy they both got me cornered.

Then I went on to kill Sif, which was pretty easy - though beforehand I gained about 6 or 7 levels just tonight from the Great Hollow, and the Forest stuff. Now I guess it is on to New Londo ruins. What is it that I need to kill ghosts?
 
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[quote name='jacknicklson']Transient curse

Female merchant has em and the ghosts drop them often[/QUOTE]

I thought there was a weapon that did the trick too? Or am I mixing that up with the skeletons?
 
Go into New Londo with a transient curse on and the gold serpent ring and you'll have plenty more transient curses pretty soon. They drop two at a time. Also, you can only block their attacks with a transient curse active. If you're just using a cursed weapon to hit them, you can't block.


What level are you now Io? It sounds like you've been gaining lots of levels, especially if you can use Cast Light and also TWoP (I don't have near enough faith for TWoP). If you get close to 82 let me know and maybe we can co-op sometime (or attempt it). I am purposefully not leveling anymore for a long time, just spending my souls on shards and such for equipment.
 
[quote name='io']Edit: OK, the golden golem is WAY WAY WAY far from the Hyrda - this was not clear to me at all. It is WAY across the lake and around a corner :lol:. I thought it was going to be on the lakeshore.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I guess I should have moved the bit in the hydra section down to golem. If you read above, I mention that you need to hug the lakeshore wall the way to the cove. You just needed to RTFG! ;)

I meant to mention this but you guys do know you can just trade Sparkly for a fog ring, right? Not sure what all this nonsense about forest covenant is about.
 
The hidden body spell from the magic vendor in dark root basin helps quite a bit with the forest hunter invasions. Too often the person you are invading has a ring of fog on so it is easy for them to lock onto you, and circle around you quick to back stab on you since you can't easily strafe around them to keep your back to them. When you get in range, cast the spell and then I would often try to run up to their side for a quick great combustion to stun them and eat through a decent portion of their health. It is quick and quite damaging with a high level flame. The range of fire whip can also work pretty well if you are running after them, get next to them, cast, and you can likely catch them in the back as they run or roll away.

Got summoned into a dark Ando Lando
the host had killed Gwynevere
and let me tell you it is really freaky. Almost complete darkness save for your own light source and some strong human NPCs in the hall. Also got summoned into a NG+ of Ando Lando which was quite a bit more difficult, got 45K souls for the Smough boss kill.
 
Kinda pissed how it's easy to get a question answered in this thread but the Arkham City thread is either dead or no one bothers to answer questions.
 
I guess RPG players are just more friendly.

Anyway, I totally missed every single crystal lizard in the Great Hollow. I couldn't figure out how to get over to that ledge with 2 of them there, and even reading the directions, I still didn't get it.
 
[quote name='jh6269']I guess RPG players are just more friendly.

Anyway, I totally missed every single crystal lizard in the Great Hollow. I couldn't figure out how to get over to that ledge with 2 of them there, and even reading the directions, I still didn't get it.[/QUOTE]

Same. So I found a video on YouTube that shows you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBvhMFEdKOI&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL6D6A173E96708426 (would have been nice if he had edited out all the loading, but whatever).

Anyway, I killed them all just now with 325 item discovery and didn't get any slabs. :( Ah, well.

BTW, I recommend using Hidden Body spell if you want to walk right up to them. You can also use ring of fog, but I was already wearing the gold serpent ring and the cursebite ring (for when I ran into the curse frogs).
 
[quote name='Backlash']Same. So I found a video on YouTube that shows you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBvhMFEdKOI&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL6D6A173E96708426 (would have been nice if he had edited out all the loading, but whatever).

Anyway, I killed them all just now with 325 item discovery and didn't get any slabs. :( Ah, well.

BTW, I recommend using Hidden Body spell if you want to walk right up to them. You can also use ring of fog, but I was already wearing the gold serpent ring and the cursebite ring (for when I ran into the curse frogs).[/QUOTE]
Does him going to the specific part on the ledge respawn the lizards next time he loads up the game?
 
[quote name='Backlash']What level are you now Io? It sounds like you've been gaining lots of levels, especially if you can use Cast Light and also TWoP (I don't have near enough faith for TWoP). If you get close to 82 let me know and maybe we can co-op sometime (or attempt it). I am purposefully not leveling anymore for a long time, just spending my souls on shards and such for equipment.[/QUOTE]

I'm about 75. I used the 4 levels I got from that one forest invasion to level attunement from 4 to 5 (which took 4 levels I think).

[quote name='Jodou']Yeah, I guess I should have moved the bit in the hydra section down to golem. If you read above, I mention that you need to hug the lakeshore wall the way to the cove. You just needed to RTFG! ;)

I meant to mention this but you guys do know you can just trade Sparkly for a fog ring, right? Not sure what all this nonsense about forest covenant is about.[/QUOTE]

I read it many times and it wasn't clear. I saw you mentioned a cove - but I thought the water was the cove - not just the very back part of it. Like I said before I just assumed you couldn't even go in the water as that's the way it was in Ash Lake. And it wasn't just yours - the wiki version was even worse I think, and that is intended as more of a walkthrough (whereas yours is a checklist of things to make sure you don't miss so it purposefully doesn't have step-by-step directions).
 
[quote name='Assasin']Another question, does Patches appear in Firelink Shrine after beating Gravelord Nito? Or can he appear there before?[/QUOTE]

He must appear after, because I have been wanting to buy stuff from him, and he's still in the Catacombs.
 
Yay, I finally got around to finishing my first playthrough. Freakin spent like 6 hours total to finally get the Channeler's Trident. Accidentally forgot to trigger Siegmeyer of Catalina in Blighttown, so when he appeared in Lost Izalith, I already killed all those monsters and his quest line ended without getting the titanite slab. I killed all the NPCs, but I wasn't able to finish off the female merchant since the ran far behind. She just kept yelling at me over and over, then surprise, she actually yelled out loud and I could hear her!
 
[quote name='Backlash']Go into New Londo with a transient curse on and the gold serpent ring and you'll have plenty more transient curses pretty soon. They drop two at a time. Also, you can only block their attacks with a transient curse active. If you're just using a cursed weapon to hit them, you can't block.
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Wow, not how it happened for me at all. I went in with 4 transient curse items. I must have killed, what, 15-20 ghosts in clearing out the upper part of New Londo. Not once did I get a transient curse drop. I got two jagged swords, but no curse item. And yeah, I had the covetous gold serpent ring equipped. There are a few you find on corpses so by the end of it I had 2 left over.

So then after clearing out the whole area including the bottom portion and finding all the treasures I went back to a bonfire then ran through to the boss door (so I didn't have to waste a transient curse item).

Uh... Four Kings... Yeah, I can't hurt them at all. I wanted to take a first run at it without knowing anything beforehand. I was able to survive a while (all 4 were there) but melee and pyro did absolutely nothing. I just read the Wiki page about it and it doesn't mention that you need to have transient curse active during that fight. But do you? That is a massive oversight if they left that little tidbit out. So now I'm thinking I'll try the tank strategy with Havel's armor and such. I got several pyro hits and lightning spear hits in - who knows how much they would have damaged if I could hurt them. So I'm not sure if I need to change from my fast/light build to more of a tank or not.

If I do not need transient curse, then please tell me what I am doing wrong. It is too bad you can't equip a better ring once you fall. But you get attacked too quickly to do that.
 
[quote name='io']Wow, not how it happened for me at all. I went in with 4 transient curse items. I must have killed, what, 15-20 ghosts in clearing out the upper part of New Londo. Not once did I get a transient curse drop. I got two jagged swords, but no curse item. And yeah, I had the covetous gold serpent ring equipped. There are a few you find on corpses so by the end of it I had 2 left over.

So then after clearing out the whole area including the bottom portion and finding all the treasures I went back to a bonfire then ran through to the boss door (so I didn't have to waste a transient curse item).

Uh... Four Kings... Yeah, I can't hurt them at all. I wanted to take a first run at it without knowing anything beforehand. I was able to survive a while (all 4 were there) but melee and pyro did absolutely nothing. I just read the Wiki page about it and it doesn't mention that you need to have transient curse active during that fight. But do you? That is a massive oversight if they left that little tidbit out. So now I'm thinking I'll try the tank strategy with Havel's armor and such. I got several pyro hits and lightning spear hits in - who knows how much they would have damaged if I could hurt them. So I'm not sure if I need to change from my fast/light build to more of a tank or not.

If I do not need transient curse, then please tell me what I am doing wrong. It is too bad you can't equip a better ring once you fall. But you get attacked too quickly to do that.[/QUOTE]

That fight is all about dealing the most damage per second. If you can't kill a king before the next one comes out, you're fucked. A lot of people say use Iron Flesh, but I hated how slow that made me so I never used it.

Put on Havel's armor, two hand your weapon with the Grass Crest Shield on your back, eat a Green Blossom if you have them, wear the Mask of the Child if you have it, and go to town, healing when necessary.

And no, you don't need a Transient Curse active during the fight. Finally, if you don't already know, you can get back to the boss fight really quickly by running past the first two ghosts in the area and to the upper right of that first area and then fall off the ledge to the ground below.
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']That fight is all about dealing the most damage per second. If you can't kill a king before the next one comes out, you're fucked. A lot of people say use Iron Flesh, but I hated how slow that made me so I never used it.

Put on Havel's armor, two hand your weapon with the Grass Crest Shield on your back, eat a Green Blossom if you have them, wear the Mask of the Child if you have it, and go to town, healing when necessary.

And no, you don't need a Transient Curse active during the fight. Finally, if you don't already know, you can get back to the boss fight really quickly by running past the first two ghosts in the area and to the upper right of that first area and then fall off the ledge to the ground below.[/QUOTE]

Which ledge do you fall off of? I was going to the elevator and past all the knights - but they kill me sometimes when I take a wrong turn or get stuck on something. But I think I have the route down now. But this sounds easier. I know those first two ghosts very well. Do you run off to the right?

OK, I am just about to go in (sitting at the bottom of the stairs) and I do have Havel's stuff equipped (all but one piece - keeps me under 50%). I went back in earlier and did the transient curse and was able to damage them. I did the same thing I did before when I didn't have it (pyro and lightning spear). I was able to hurt them this time but not at all the first time. You sure about that? I can't imagine I missed every time the first time (like 7 or 8 fireballs that exploded right on one of them).

I have never used the green blossom but I'll try it. I'm still not sure if I want to two-hand the Fury Sword or stick with pyro. I guess I'll try the sword though I use it so little I'm not used to it. I'll try without the curse as well and see how it goes. I guess I just run right up and pound on 'em.
 
OK, went in and got utterly destroyed. I wasn't making contact even though I was right up next to it. I realized half way through that you have to be right on top of it.

Went back a second time, and ran off that ledge this time but still almost got killed by the knights as I got caught against a pillar. But, yeah, that is easier as it means less running past ghosts and pulling that lever while getting pummeled and then having a few more knights to deal with. Looks like there are 3 or 4 to run past with the ledge method (vs 6 or 7 via the elevator).

So the second time I got right up there and was pounding on it but also taking heavy damage. I just about gotten the first one killed when I got killed. I didn't pause for any Estus because I wanted to take it out ASAP. Of course, I have no humanity banked which would help out. But also, I haven't upgraded the Fury Sword yet. Maybe I should do that first and give it another shot.
 
[quote name='io']OK, went in and got utterly destroyed. I wasn't making contact even though I was right up next to it. I realized half way through that you have to be right on top of it.

Went back a second time, and ran off that ledge this time but still almost got killed by the knights as I got caught against a pillar. But, yeah, that is easier as it means less running past ghosts and pulling that lever while getting pummeled and then having a few more knights to deal with. Looks like there are 3 or 4 to run past with the ledge method (vs 6 or 7 via the elevator).

So the second time I got right up there and was pounding on it but also taking heavy damage. I just about gotten the first one killed when I got killed. I didn't pause for any Estus because I wanted to take it out ASAP. Of course, I have no humanity banked which would help out. But also, I haven't upgraded the Fury Sword yet. Maybe I should do that first and give it another shot.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry about being under 50% for this fight because you're not going to bother dodging really, you just sit there and hack away, healing when you go down below 50% or so health, in case they do their AoE attack, unblockable homing attack, or grab you.

Try the sword. I'm telling you, it's hard to hit things with the spear. If you haven't already, kindle the bonfire to give you 20 Estus, you pretty much need that many for my strategy.
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']Don't worry about being under 50% for this fight because you're not going to bother dodging really, you just sit there and hack away, healing when you go down below 50% or so health, in case they do their AoE attack, unblockable homing attack, or grab you.

Try the sword. I'm telling you, it's hard to hit things with the spear. If you haven't already, kindle the bonfire to give you 20 Estus, you pretty much need that many for my strategy.[/QUOTE]

That second time I did use the Fury Sword. I got the first one almost killed, but still got wiped out. The second was closing in on me at that point too.

So I took a break and was gonna farm to get the Fury sword upgraded. But on the way I put my sign down in Anor Londo and much to my surprise I got summoned 3 times there. I am level 78 now so I was somewhat shocked late Sunday night (Monday AM really) at that level that I got summoned. What sucked was that none of the 3 people had even started the level yet so we had to go through the chandelier part, the arrow guys, etc... On one the other summon and the host died while I was in the rafters fighting the assassins. They must have fallen off (though I was doing all the fighting). Another time we got invaded twice and while we lost one guy (knocked him down to where the assassins are then couldn't find him when we went down there). The second one happened after the other summon got killed (he fell off fighting the arrow knights). This guy camped out by one of the knights and the host got killed by the knight while I was fighting the invader.

But on one of the times we got through the level pretty quickly and did Ornstein first. I figure this had to be NG+ but maybe not. They didn't seem any harder (in fact it was much easier handling big Smough than big Ornstein as everyone here has said). I now have 10 sunlight medals already - but I guess I can't even cash that in until NG+.

In any case, that got me enough souls to upgrade the Fury sword to +5. Plus I got 1 humanity. I'm going to try one more time on 4 Kings then call it a night.

Edit: Yep, did it - much easier with the sword upgraded and I took breaks to use the flask - only needed about 5 or 6 actually. I probably could have done it last time if I had used the flask a little earlier. I did have my 1 banked humanity stolen by the grab attack, but oh well...
 
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Love the strategy you need for the Stray Demon, two-hand and just don't stop attacking.

Almost there to be using the Greatsword of Artorias.
 
Nice work Io! You are close enough to my level to co-op if you ever want to, though I'm on Central time and you seem to play really late at night. Anyway I'm up for it if we can hook up.

I spent most of yesterday upgrading weapons for trophies and trying to get Souvenirs of Reprisal. I wore the convenant ring so I could be summoned and used my blue stone at the Kiln of the First Flame. I had a pretty good number of fights, and at the end I had earned all of 3 souvenirs (though about 4 times I was withing one hit of killing the enemy when I died). :(

I had the same experience in PvP as Io, I think. I was getting backstabbed all over when the guy didn't seem to be anywhere near behind me. Several times it happened while I was flipping (rolling with the ninja ring) sideways while locked onto the enemy. wtf. And I didn't get any backstabs, even when I was right behind the enemy. I have no trouble backstabbing the black knights down there, so I do know where you need to be and how it works (or I thought I did).

One time I even invaded a guy who just stood still. I bowed and ran around for a minute but I guess he was AFK, so I just said fuck it, I need the prize, so I stood directly behind him and pressed R1. Guess what? No backstab - I just swung my sword. And it took around 10 hits to kill this guy using a Lightning Bastard Sword +5, so he had a ton of HP.

The other thing that seems to be happening is that almost all the players in Dark Anor Londo and at the Kiln are PvP specialists, with characters made just for PvP. Which makes sense, I guess, since why else would someone even be in Dark anor Londo in the first place? But they all seem to have around 2000 HP or more (based on how little their health bar moves when I do a couple hundred damage) and use big weapons. All the points I put into magic for PvE really work against me in this case.

Anyway, I realize I do suck at PvP, but for almost all my matches I don't know why I'm losing. Some of them I could see the lag or I had input lag (first time on the game I've experienced that, actually), but for many it just seemed like I got hit from out of nowhere with a backstab. At least most of the people weren't using ring of fog or TWoP and they bowed and seemed to fight fair, for what it's worth.

Several times the host had summoned a white phantom for dueling, and I pretty much had to fight the phantom first (or lose in a 2 vs 1). I did win a few of those fights, though of course it didn't get me any souvenirs. Ugh, this one thing could be what prevents me from platinum, unless I want to farm the crow demons forever. I can't imagine farming them for 6 rare drops.

 
[quote name='Assasin']Does him going to the specific part on the ledge respawn the lizards next time he loads up the game?[/QUOTE]

That's so the lizards will be in front of him when he reloads, and they will run towards the wall instead of the cliff. You don't want to knock them off the cliff, possibly losing their loot.

[quote name='Jodou']Complete polar opposites. Take just about everything in Dark Souls and imagine every aspect reversed. I played Skyrim all day today and didn't die once, so. . .[/QUOTE]

Thanks. So Skyrim is easy but not thrilling, has a good story, and the combat sucks?
 
[quote name='Backlash']Thanks. So Skyrim is easy but not thrilling, has a good story, and the combat sucks?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much dead on. The combat is much improved in this one, but that's not saying much. Unless you play something that takes skill with aiming, it's pretty much swing for the fences and block where necessary. As for thrilling, not in the same sense of dread that Dark Souls has but dragonslaying is still crazy fun. That said, I'm giving the nod to Skyrim this year for GOTY. Dark Souls is awesome, but it lost some of that freshness that Demon's Souls had.
 
i dont have it yet but I really wish games skyrim would have liek the hit system dark souls has and maybe leadership board of lets say ninja giden. not exactly multiplayer but its adds a fun element to the game. :)
 
Do you have to be in human form to summon Dusk of Oolacille to purchase items?

My "fun" with trying to help people in Darkroot. I get summoned by the staircase by the bonfire. Immediately we get invaded (fun!). We kill the wizard first, then we start pounding on the guy who invaded us - it was easy. Then he run and retreats up to the cleric, the dwarf, and the thief. At this point I see the guy who summoned me run up that way. Really? I mean, c'mon...is there a complete lack of common sense here? I got to kill the cleric....golf clap please. It is hard to help someone when they cannot help themselves. If the person summoning me would have been smart, we could've mopped the floor. Sigh...that's the third time I've had something like that occur.
 
[quote name='Backlash']
Several times the host had summoned a white phantom for dueling, and I pretty much had to fight the phantom first (or lose in a 2 vs 1). I did win a few of those fights, though of course it didn't get me any souvenirs. Ugh, this one thing could be what prevents me from platinum, unless I want to farm the crow demons forever. I can't imagine farming them for 6 rare drops.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think I'll have to farm the crows for this one... I can't imagine this dueling being any easier than the Forest Covenant.

[quote name='jmbreci']My "fun" with trying to help people in Darkroot. I get summoned by the staircase by the bonfire. Immediately we get invaded (fun!). We kill the wizard first, then we start pounding on the guy who invaded us - it was easy. Then he run and retreats up to the cleric, the dwarf, and the thief. At this point I see the guy who summoned me run up that way. Really? I mean, c'mon...is there a complete lack of common sense here? I got to kill the cleric....golf clap please. It is hard to help someone when they cannot help themselves. If the person summoning me would have been smart, we could've mopped the floor. Sigh...that's the third time I've had something like that occur.[/QUOTE]

Hah - nearly every time I invaded in Darkroot Forest the player and his buddy had made sure to clear out the forest first. I never had any help from the NPCs except for one time some of the plant monsters were still around.

So, I just realized something in reading through what to do next. I never saw Patches in the Catacombs. Where exactly are you supposed to see him? He better show in Tomb of Giants. Though what do you get from him besides being able to buy 3 eyes of death? Those seem farmable from the curse frogs so I guess I'm not too worried about that. But is there any other point to dealing with him? I know he pushes you into a place where you find stuff - but if he isn't around can I just jump down there myself?

Right now I'm in the Duke's Archives in the prison area. I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but an awesome place to farm humanity is from the Picasa (squid-like things) at the bottom of the stairs there. I thought someone mentioned a place with baby skeletons in Tomb of Giants as the best place. I haven't been there but the Picasa are easy to kill and one time I wiped out their little group and got 4 humanity. Since the bonfire is just right up the stairs and there are almost no other enemies there it is a pretty easy farming spot.

Is the cell they are guarding supposed to have Big Hat Logan in it? That seems to be what the wiki indicates. I'm a little worried because I don't see him there - unless he is way in the back or something?

If these two chars glitched out on me I'll be pretty pissed. I am already dealing with the Anor Londo trophy glitch (didn't get a trophy when going there the first time so apparently I need to wait for NG+ to trigger it - and hope it doesn't glitch then as well).
 
[quote name='jacknicklson']Farming the crows isnt bad at all with Wrath of God[/QUOTE]

Don't have this yet but maybe I'll wait till I get it.

So I was looking through the covenants. Is there any point to offering 30 humanity to the darkwraith covenant to get the Dark Sword and Dark Armor Set? I don't think that sword is needed for the rare weapon trophy but I was wondering if that armor was any good. It looks to have decent mid-level stats and is fairly light. If I can get a lot of humanity from the Picasa this might be possible.
 
[quote name='io']Right now I'm in the Duke's Archives in the prison area. I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but an awesome place to farm humanity is from the Picasa (squid-like things) at the bottom of the stairs there. I thought someone mentioned a place with baby skeletons in Tomb of Giants as the best place. I haven't been there but the Picasa are easy to kill and one time I wiped out their little group and got 4 humanity. Since the bonfire is just right up the stairs and there are almost no other enemies there it is a pretty easy farming spot.

Is the cell they are guarding supposed to have Big Hat Logan in it? That seems to be what the wiki indicates. I'm a little worried because I don't see him there - unless he is way in the back or something?
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Imagine a place where the enemies die in one hit, drop humanity, and spawn infinitely so you never have to run to a bonfire to reset them :)

Logan was sitting next to the front of the cell I think. He's kind of hard to see because he's sitting down and all you really see is his big hat. If you walk near the bars you should get a prompt to talk, though.
 
[quote name='Backlash']Imagine a place where the enemies die in one hit, drop humanity, and spawn infinitely so you never have to run to a bonfire to reset them :)

Logan was sitting next to the front of the cell I think. He's kind of hard to see because he's sitting down and all you really see is his big hat. If you walk near the bars you should get a prompt to talk, though.[/QUOTE]

OK, I'll take your word for it on the farm spot ;).

As for Logan, hmmm.... Well, now you are making me want to fire up the game and check it out right now. I went over there and never saw him nor got a prompt - but I was just trying to open the door. I didn't run along the whole length of the cell though. I even went back again when I got that key up by the snakes (which opens the big door up top but at the time I wasn't sure). I'll have to check it out here shortly... There are certain parts of this game where I just cannot see specific things. The ladders in Great Hollow (and a few other places) are another example. It may just be the way my TV is set up (brightness/contrast).
 
I'm so envious if you can play in the middle of the day. Although you also seem to play at like 3 am my time. :whistle2:k

Anyway, there are certain things that are hard to see, and ladders (especially in the Hollow and somewhat in the Tomb of Giants) is definitely one of them. Logan blends in even more in the Duke's Archives once he moves to the study and out of the prison cell.
 
Just farm the crows. With 30 Humanity and the gold serpent ring, I think it took me 3 hours to get 8, and I was on NG+.

When you start from the bonfire in the Painted World, run through the first gate, up where you used the Annex key, go up the stairs and kill the fire mage, and there will be two crows up there. If you're still in NG, you can run up there with Wrath of the Gods and hit them and the two that fly down and kill them quickly. Then use Homeward to go back to the bonfire and start again.
 
[quote name='Backlash']Nice work Io! You are close enough to my level to co-op if you ever want to, though I'm on Central time and you seem to play really late at night. Anyway I'm up for it if we can hook up.

I spent most of yesterday upgrading weapons for trophies and trying to get Souvenirs of Reprisal. I wore the convenant ring so I could be summoned and used my blue stone at the Kiln of the First Flame. I had a pretty good number of fights, and at the end I had earned all of 3 souvenirs (though about 4 times I was withing one hit of killing the enemy when I died). :(

I had the same experience in PvP as Io, I think. I was getting backstabbed all over when the guy didn't seem to be anywhere near behind me. Several times it happened while I was flipping (rolling with the ninja ring) sideways while locked onto the enemy. wtf. And I didn't get any backstabs, even when I was right behind the enemy. I have no trouble backstabbing the black knights down there, so I do know where you need to be and how it works (or I thought I did).

One time I even invaded a guy who just stood still. I bowed and ran around for a minute but I guess he was AFK, so I just said fuck it, I need the prize, so I stood directly behind him and pressed R1. Guess what? No backstab - I just swung my sword. And it took around 10 hits to kill this guy using a Lightning Bastard Sword +5, so he had a ton of HP.

The other thing that seems to be happening is that almost all the players in Dark Anor Londo and at the Kiln are PvP specialists, with characters made just for PvP. Which makes sense, I guess, since why else would someone even be in Dark anor Londo in the first place? But they all seem to have around 2000 HP or more (based on how little their health bar moves when I do a couple hundred damage) and use big weapons. All the points I put into magic for PvE really work against me in this case.

Anyway, I realize I do suck at PvP, but for almost all my matches I don't know why I'm losing. Some of them I could see the lag or I had input lag (first time on the game I've experienced that, actually), but for many it just seemed like I got hit from out of nowhere with a backstab. At least most of the people weren't using ring of fog or TWoP and they bowed and seemed to fight fair, for what it's worth.

Several times the host had summoned a white phantom for dueling, and I pretty much had to fight the phantom first (or lose in a 2 vs 1). I did win a few of those fights, though of course it didn't get me any souvenirs. Ugh, this one thing could be what prevents me from platinum, unless I want to farm the crow demons forever. I can't imagine farming them for 6 rare drops.

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Just farm the crows. With 30 Humanity and the gold serpent ring, I think it took me 3 hours to get 8, and I was on NG+.

When you start from the bonfire in the Painted World, run through the first gate, up where you used the Annex key, go up the stairs and kill the fire mage, and there will be two crows up there. If you're still in NG, you can run up there with Wrath of the Gods and hit them and the two that fly down and kill them quickly. Then use Homeward to go back to the bonfire and start again.

[quote name='io']Yeah, I think I'll have to farm the crows for this one... I can't imagine this dueling being any easier than the Forest Covenant.



Hah - nearly every time I invaded in Darkroot Forest the player and his buddy had made sure to clear out the forest first. I never had any help from the NPCs except for one time some of the plant monsters were still around.

So, I just realized something in reading through what to do next. I never saw Patches in the Catacombs. Where exactly are you supposed to see him? He better show in Tomb of Giants. Though what do you get from him besides being able to buy 3 eyes of death? Those seem farmable from the curse frogs so I guess I'm not too worried about that. But is there any other point to dealing with him? I know he pushes you into a place where you find stuff - but if he isn't around can I just jump down there myself?

Right now I'm in the Duke's Archives in the prison area. I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but an awesome place to farm humanity is from the Picasa (squid-like things) at the bottom of the stairs there. I thought someone mentioned a place with baby skeletons in Tomb of Giants as the best place. I haven't been there but the Picasa are easy to kill and one time I wiped out their little group and got 4 humanity. Since the bonfire is just right up the stairs and there are almost no other enemies there it is a pretty easy farming spot.

Is the cell they are guarding supposed to have Big Hat Logan in it? That seems to be what the wiki indicates. I'm a little worried because I don't see him there - unless he is way in the back or something?

If these two chars glitched out on me I'll be pretty pissed. I am already dealing with the Anor Londo trophy glitch (didn't get a trophy when going there the first time so apparently I need to wait for NG+ to trigger it - and hope it doesn't glitch then as well).[/QUOTE]

Patches will leave the Catacombs at a certain point in the story, but that's no biggie, that's an optional story event and you don't get much out of it. He'll be in the Tomb of the Giants.

You saved Big Hat Logan in Sen's Fortress, right? In that case, he'll be right at the gate at the bottom of Duke's Archives where the Picasa hang out at.
 
[quote name='Backlash']I'm so envious if you can play in the middle of the day. Although you also seem to play at like 3 am my time. :whistle2:k[/QUOTE]

Well, I can't really. I mean, I could but I'd have to kick my 3 year old off the TV while he's watching Little Einstein and my wife would get mad I'm playing games instead of working (it is bad enough I stay up late to play ;)). I work from home by the way - and am actually starting a new project this week after being off for the last several weeks. So that is one reason I have been playing so much. I may have to dial it back to just an hour or two per night from now on with the new work though.

[quote name='gettinmoney662']
Patches will leave the Catacombs at a certain point in the story, but that's no biggie, that's an optional story event and you don't get much out of it. He'll be in the Tomb of the Giants.

You saved Big Hat Logan in Sen's Fortress, right? In that case, he'll be right at the gate at the bottom of Duke's Archives where the Picasa hang out at.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, saved him, saw him at Firelink and bought stuff from him, then saw that he left. So he should be there. I am really curious to fire it up and check - maybe I can do that in an hour or so ;). I believe I left myself right at the top of the ladder in that area (was going to go on to find the key - but I should go back and make sure he's there first).
 
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io:

The baby skeletons respawn indefinitely without going to a bonfire. That's partially what makes them so great for farming.

About Logan: On my second playthrough I didn't save him from Sen's Fortress until after I finished Duke's Archives and I had unlocked the cell he was supposed to be in (which obviously didn't have him in it). Then I went back and got him out of Sen's, talked to him in Firelink and then went to Duke's and he skipped the cell and went right for the library.
 
io, I'd recommend farming 30 humanity for the dark covenant equipment. The armor is probably the best you can get for the weight, and upgraded it is really good.

The sword isn't spectacular but you can make it one of your elemental weapons, magic or enchanted or something. But definitely do it for the armor, it's really good and it looks awesome too.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']io:

The baby skeletons respawn indefinitely without going to a bonfire. That's partially what makes them so great for farming.

About Logan: On my second playthrough I didn't save him from Sen's Fortress until after I finished Duke's Archives and I had unlocked the cell he was supposed to be in (which obviously didn't have him in it). Then I went back and got him out of Sen's, talked to him in Firelink and then went to Duke's and he skipped the cell and went right for the library.[/QUOTE]

Plus, you get a ton of souls from the baby skeletons.
 
[quote name='IRHari']io, I'd recommend farming 30 humanity for the dark covenant equipment. The armor is probably the best you can get for the weight, and upgraded it is really good.

The sword isn't spectacular but you can make it one of your elemental weapons, magic or enchanted or something. But definitely do it for the armor, it's really good and it looks awesome too.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the response - I'll do that. I thought it might look cool and for sure it is something probably not a lot of people would have. I better do it now because I probably won't bother with that covenant in NG+.

I already farmed and cashed in the 30 humanity for the chaos servant covenant. With the Picasa (I'm not at the other place yet with the skeletons) I think I can get 30 pretty quickly.
 
[quote name='io']Thanks for the response - I'll do that. I thought it might look cool and for sure it is something probably not a lot of people would have. I better do it now because I probably won't bother with that covenant in NG+.

I already farmed and cashed in the 30 humanity for the chaos servant covenant. With the Picasa (I'm not at the other place yet with the skeletons) I think I can get 30 pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]

You're gonna want to open the shortcut before leaving the covenant.
 
[quote name='io']Thanks for the response - I'll do that. I thought it might look cool and for sure it is something probably not a lot of people would have. I better do it now because I probably won't bother with that covenant in NG+.

I already farmed and cashed in the 30 humanity for the chaos servant covenant. With the Picasa (I'm not at the other place yet with the skeletons) I think I can get 30 pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
Not only what gettinmoney said, but you also should get infected with one of those egg guys and purchase the pyromancys Eingyi sells. If you dont know how to do this you must first go up to one of the egg guys that are moving in Demon Ruins, and then wait until he does an attack where it looks a worm is sucking your head, then after that just wait for about 5 minutes and a larva will pop on your head, at that point you can purchase the Egg Vermifuge which will allow you to take that off and you can also buy the pyromancys and upgrade your Pyromancy Flame if you need to.
 
[quote name='Assasin']Not only what gettinmoney said, but you also should get infected with one of those egg guys and purchase the pyromancys Eingyi sells. If you dont know how to do this you must first go up to one of the egg guys that are moving in Demon Ruins, and then wait until he does an attack where it looks a worm is sucking your head, then after that just wait for about 5 minutes and a larva will pop on your head, at that point you can purchase the Egg Vermifuge which will allow you to take that off and you can also buy the pyromancys and upgrade your Pyromancy Flame if you need to.[/QUOTE]

Eingyi will actually give you an Egg Vermifuge for free if you talk to him while infected.
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']You're gonna want to open the shortcut before leaving the covenant.[/QUOTE]

I left that covenant a long, long time ago. I just pumped it up to 30 humanity to get the reward and then went on to other stuff. It guess it doesn't retain my level if I re-join?

[quote name='Assasin']Not only what gettinmoney said, but you also should get infected with one of those egg guys and purchase the pyromancys Eingyi sells. If you dont know how to do this you must first go up to one of the egg guys that are moving in Demon Ruins, and then wait until he does an attack where it looks a worm is sucking your head, then after that just wait for about 5 minutes and a larva will pop on your head, at that point you can purchase the Egg Vermifuge which will allow you to take that off and you can also buy the pyromancys and upgrade your Pyromancy Flame if you need to.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I got all that long ago too - right after I beat Quelaag.

So tonight I spent about an hour and half farming for the stupid Channeler's Trident. What a pain. Then I farmed some more humanity from the Picasa and kindled up the bonfires in the Archives. I didn't want to face Seath just yet. Is there a bonfire past the fog door (crystal cave or whatever) or is that one on the balcony of the archives my base for attacking Seath? I did see a summon sign right outside that bonfire when I was quitting for the night. I'd be tempted to summon there but then I want to be sure I get the tail and don't need someone pounding him to death before that happens.
 
Spent some time playing in the Great Hollow tonight, got all the random loot I think, as well as 9 of the 10 lizards. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad they aren't like Demon Souls and only spawn once, even managed to get 2 slabs :)

I am in ash lake now, tips on the Hydra for melee?
 
Did you beat the other hydra?

Same concept

Just rush the hydra until you are close enough to him that his water blasts dont hit you then wait for it to plunge its heads forward. One whack and the head will get cut off. Rinse and repeat
 
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