Dark Souls (Project Dark) - October 4, 2011
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[quote name='Jodou']Yeah no shit. The side entrance to Blighttown is all I'll ever use again.[/QUOTE]
Sorry. That part was more aimed at io to help with his decision of whether or not to start over.
Other than that shortcut, what were the other uses of the master key? I think there was a door in the Undead Burg that lead to 3 lightning resins and the door in the Depths that lead to a bonfire, and that's all I remember. The master key was pretty disappointing for the most part.
Sorry. That part was more aimed at io to help with his decision of whether or not to start over.
Other than that shortcut, what were the other uses of the master key? I think there was a door in the Undead Burg that lead to 3 lightning resins and the door in the Depths that lead to a bonfire, and that's all I remember. The master key was pretty disappointing for the most part.
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Yeah, same here.
Honestly, I think you shouldn't really use the master key in your first playthrough, but if you're going for the platinum, you really need the master key.
Skipping the depths and blighttown on subsequent playthroughs saves many hours of annoyance.[/QUOTE]
How can you skip these areas? You mean you just don't have to go there in NG+? How does having it in the first game keep you from having to go there in NG+?
Doesn't it also get you that shield everyone uses? I know I keep running into doors I can't open (I did get the Residence key).
I think I will start over. I guess I'll try that all 11 stat character dude, though it might be tough at the beginning with a club and no armor
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I have a question about that, though. Is he really better stat wise? What I mean is yeah, he has a slightly higher number of stat points, but he is also already level 6 so that means less easy leveling points early on. I'm guessing it all balances out. I do like a DEX build though for winged spear/bow (as I played in Demon's Souls). That's why I picked Wanderer.
As for the stupid effing key, I just assumed I'd be able to get it later and that it was just a "bonus" starter thing. I figured the first merchant would sell it. I didn't realize it effected huge portions of the game and got you nice gear to boot. Maybe I'll do the thief so I can get that and the tiny being ring, which gave me a nice HP boost.
Honestly, I think you shouldn't really use the master key in your first playthrough, but if you're going for the platinum, you really need the master key.
Skipping the depths and blighttown on subsequent playthroughs saves many hours of annoyance.[/QUOTE]
How can you skip these areas? You mean you just don't have to go there in NG+? How does having it in the first game keep you from having to go there in NG+?
Doesn't it also get you that shield everyone uses? I know I keep running into doors I can't open (I did get the Residence key).
I think I will start over. I guess I'll try that all 11 stat character dude, though it might be tough at the beginning with a club and no armor
.I have a question about that, though. Is he really better stat wise? What I mean is yeah, he has a slightly higher number of stat points, but he is also already level 6 so that means less easy leveling points early on. I'm guessing it all balances out. I do like a DEX build though for winged spear/bow (as I played in Demon's Souls). That's why I picked Wanderer.
As for the stupid effing key, I just assumed I'd be able to get it later and that it was just a "bonus" starter thing. I figured the first merchant would sell it. I didn't realize it effected huge portions of the game and got you nice gear to boot. Maybe I'll do the thief so I can get that and the tiny being ring, which gave me a nice HP boost.
[quote name='io']How can you skip these areas? You mean you just don't have to go there in NG+? How does having it in the first game keep you from having to go there in NG+? [/QUOTE]
There are some doors you can open with the master key that will get you around the areas. You can get from Firelink to the swamps in 5 minutes using the shortcut. You don't have to do them in your first playthrough either (if you have the key), but I think you should.
There are some doors you can open with the master key that will get you around the areas. You can get from Firelink to the swamps in 5 minutes using the shortcut. You don't have to do them in your first playthrough either (if you have the key), but I think you should.
[quote name='io']I have a question about that, though. Is he really better stat wise? What I mean is yeah, he has a slightly higher number of stat points, but he is also already level 6 so that means less easy leveling points early on. I'm guessing it all balances out. I do like a DEX build though for winged spear/bow (as I played in Demon's Souls). That's why I picked Wanderer.[/QUOTE]
Nope, he's the worst in the game for his level, which is why he's deprived. Wanderer and Pryo are #1.
Nope, he's the worst in the game for his level, which is why he's deprived. Wanderer and Pryo are #1.
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well after countless suidcide runs i beat seath with my piece of shit estoc at 1/4 hp due to curse x2. was just about ready to kill myself but stuck out the last run. didn't even try to cut the tail since all his tail attacks are waaaay harder to dodge than his breath.
FYI, you don't need the master key to skip the depths and blighttown, Just go through the forest down to where the bonfire is in the cave in the Hydra area, then run through the valley of the drakes past the stone dragon and you can go through the back way to the swamps. The master key just makes it a couple minutes quicker obviously, but isn't required.
[quote name='Jodou']Nope, he's the worst in the game for his level, which is why he's deprived. Wanderer and Pryo are #1.[/QUOTE]
I agree that those are easier, however there is nothing wrong with choosing the deprived if you know what you are doing. I chose a deprived as a second character when my main PS3 was in use doing other things, and managed to run through the Intro & to the shrine in Undead Burg in little time. I cannot see it really being that much worse than anyone else once you are that far along. You are not (should not) be wearing armor as it is. Choose the master key, grab the drake sword and you are set. It's not much of a grind to be able to use the sword.
Of course, that's just my opinion and I know you know the game far more than I do. I will add that I wouldn't recommend anyone new to the game to pick a deprived.
With that said, I am retiring since I had "fun" in Sens Fortress....right up and until the last set of blades knocked me off. That and the lightning spear is a cheater weapon. Makes things WAY too easy. I just need more chunks to level that thing to +5.
I agree that those are easier, however there is nothing wrong with choosing the deprived if you know what you are doing. I chose a deprived as a second character when my main PS3 was in use doing other things, and managed to run through the Intro & to the shrine in Undead Burg in little time. I cannot see it really being that much worse than anyone else once you are that far along. You are not (should not) be wearing armor as it is. Choose the master key, grab the drake sword and you are set. It's not much of a grind to be able to use the sword.
Of course, that's just my opinion and I know you know the game far more than I do. I will add that I wouldn't recommend anyone new to the game to pick a deprived.
With that said, I am retiring since I had "fun" in Sens Fortress....right up and until the last set of blades knocked me off. That and the lightning spear is a cheater weapon.
Makes things WAY too easy. I just need more chunks to level that thing to +5.
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[quote name='Brainberry']I got a master key on N+ in the first locked door in undead burg, but you're gonna need to buy a resident key to get in from the undead merchant[/QUOTE]
Is that so? Can anyone else confirm this? Not that I don't believe you Brainberry, I'm just really curious. ^^
Is that so? Can anyone else confirm this? Not that I don't believe you Brainberry, I'm just really curious. ^^
[quote name='jmbreci']I just need more chunks to level that thing to +5.[/QUOTE]
You either have to wait until the final area to fight black knights which drop all kinds of chunks, or farm the royal sentinels in Anor Londo. The royal ones are the ones with the cape, as far as I know there are only two of them.
You either have to wait until the final area to fight black knights which drop all kinds of chunks, or farm the royal sentinels in Anor Londo. The royal ones are the ones with the cape, as far as I know there are only two of them.
I restarted and got to almost where I was before after 15 hours in just about 3.
Jodou - In your guide you say you can run past the Hellkite dragon to get to an altar so that you can join Solaire's covenant. How in the hell do you do that? I get knocked down by the dragon's fire just a few steps out of the stairwell. It takes several seconds (it seems) to get back up and then I can take a few more steps and I'm killed by the second blast. WTF!? I'm nowhere near the end.
Edit - OK, I got past him. I wasn't at 25% equip load so that helped. But, the problem is, where is this altar? I see a bonfire, and a lever to open a gate that leads me to where the dog thing is (and eventually to the fire soul to upgrade the Estus flask which is where I was in my other game). Then off to the right of the bonfire is a grassy area with a broken statue that doesn't let me interact with it.
When I first got to the bonfire area the dragon was on the bridge behind me and killed me right next to the bonfire. That was a big surprise. But now he's not there at all any more Is he supposed to leave? So, like I can't do the bridge farming trick because he isn't there to wipe out the guys on the bridge.
But more importantly, where is this altar thing?
Jodou - In your guide you say you can run past the Hellkite dragon to get to an altar so that you can join Solaire's covenant. How in the hell do you do that? I get knocked down by the dragon's fire just a few steps out of the stairwell. It takes several seconds (it seems) to get back up and then I can take a few more steps and I'm killed by the second blast. WTF!? I'm nowhere near the end.
Edit - OK, I got past him. I wasn't at 25% equip load so that helped. But, the problem is, where is this altar? I see a bonfire, and a lever to open a gate that leads me to where the dog thing is (and eventually to the fire soul to upgrade the Estus flask which is where I was in my other game). Then off to the right of the bonfire is a grassy area with a broken statue that doesn't let me interact with it.
When I first got to the bonfire area the dragon was on the bridge behind me and killed me right next to the bonfire. That was a big surprise. But now he's not there at all any more Is he supposed to leave? So, like I can't do the bridge farming trick because he isn't there to wipe out the guys on the bridge.
But more importantly, where is this altar thing?
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[quote name='jmbreci']I agree that those are easier, however there is nothing wrong with choosing the deprived if you know what you are doing.[/QUOTE]
It's not a matter of knowing what you're doing, he's inferior in stat points by four for his level. If you truly want to min/max then Wanderer/Pyro have the most stat points allocated for their level. That is why they're #1.[quote name='io']Jodou - In your guide you say you can run past the Hellkite dragon to get to an altar so that you can join Solaire's covenant. How in the hell do you do that? I get knocked down by the dragon's fire just a few steps out of the stairwell. It takes several seconds (it seems) to get back up and then I can take a few more steps and I'm killed by the second blast. WTF!? I'm nowhere near the end.
Edit - OK, I got past him. I wasn't at 25% equip load so that helped. But, the problem is, where is this altar? I see a bonfire, and a lever to open a gate that leads me to where the dog thing is (and eventually to the fire soul to upgrade the Estus flask which is where I was in my other game). Then off to the right of the bonfire is a grassy area with a broken statue that doesn't let me interact with it.
When I first got to the bonfire area the dragon was on the bridge behind me and killed me right next to the bonfire. That was a big surprise. But now he's not there at all any more Is he supposed to leave? So, like I can't do the bridge farming trick because he isn't there to wipe out the guys on the bridge.
But more importantly, where is this altar thing?[/QUOTE]
The statue is the altar, but perhaps the guide is slightly off because I had to write this during my second playthrough. Well, that and the official guide tells you to do the same damn thing. -_-
Maybe you have to summon Solaire to a boss fight at least once before the whole thing works? Or maybe the faith requirement stands for interacting with the altar as well. Sorry if I misled you at all.
It's not a matter of knowing what you're doing, he's inferior in stat points by four for his level. If you truly want to min/max then Wanderer/Pyro have the most stat points allocated for their level. That is why they're #1.[quote name='io']Jodou - In your guide you say you can run past the Hellkite dragon to get to an altar so that you can join Solaire's covenant. How in the hell do you do that? I get knocked down by the dragon's fire just a few steps out of the stairwell. It takes several seconds (it seems) to get back up and then I can take a few more steps and I'm killed by the second blast. WTF!? I'm nowhere near the end.
Edit - OK, I got past him. I wasn't at 25% equip load so that helped. But, the problem is, where is this altar? I see a bonfire, and a lever to open a gate that leads me to where the dog thing is (and eventually to the fire soul to upgrade the Estus flask which is where I was in my other game). Then off to the right of the bonfire is a grassy area with a broken statue that doesn't let me interact with it.
When I first got to the bonfire area the dragon was on the bridge behind me and killed me right next to the bonfire. That was a big surprise. But now he's not there at all any more Is he supposed to leave? So, like I can't do the bridge farming trick because he isn't there to wipe out the guys on the bridge.
But more importantly, where is this altar thing?[/QUOTE]
The statue is the altar, but perhaps the guide is slightly off because I had to write this during my second playthrough. Well, that and the official guide tells you to do the same damn thing. -_-
Maybe you have to summon Solaire to a boss fight at least once before the whole thing works? Or maybe the faith requirement stands for interacting with the altar as well. Sorry if I misled you at all.
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You've got it right. You can't interact with the alter until you meet that co-op/faith requirement.
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Ok, sorry everyone, I just now am able to play Dk Souls again (moved cross-country; just unpacked my PS3 this weekend). There's so much to read since I've stopped, so forgive me if I ask stuff that's already been covered.
So, with that said, I'm about level 25 or so. I've beaten the Gargoyles, rang the first bell, found the second merchant, killed that demon near the blacksmith--now what?
Oh, and I freed 2 prisoners (mage and gold armor guy). I know I want to get magic now and do that stuff.
I want to start collecting and building stuff to star upgrading my weapons/armor, but I'm not really sure what to upgrade/find. I also joined that way of white, and missed the opportunity to pay the guy, and his friends showed up, so I'm thinking of grinding a little and buying all his stuff at least.
I know I want to find the Fog Ring too. But I are there any obvious things that I can do now that can help? I really want to get some better weapons (Drake Sword is still working well, but it really doesn't help to upgrade it).
Any pointers?
So, with that said, I'm about level 25 or so. I've beaten the Gargoyles, rang the first bell, found the second merchant, killed that demon near the blacksmith--now what?
Oh, and I freed 2 prisoners (mage and gold armor guy). I know I want to get magic now and do that stuff.
I want to start collecting and building stuff to star upgrading my weapons/armor, but I'm not really sure what to upgrade/find. I also joined that way of white, and missed the opportunity to pay the guy, and his friends showed up, so I'm thinking of grinding a little and buying all his stuff at least.
I know I want to find the Fog Ring too. But I are there any obvious things that I can do now that can help? I really want to get some better weapons (Drake Sword is still working well, but it really doesn't help to upgrade it).
Any pointers?
Jodou, explain to me how to save slabs.
Let's say I have a +5 fire already, and I want to save everything I use to make it into a chaos +5. I go to the blacksmith menu, start with +5 fire, and go all the way to chaos +5 using chunks and a slab. If I NEVER back out of the menu, the trophy pops, and I quit out, will the game have saved at ALL? When I come back will I have used up ANY materials?
Side note to anyone making a weapon out of Quelaag's soul, make SURE you make her fury blade. Not only is it fire imbued, but it scales with Dex AND humanity. I raped face with it in my first runthrough.
It'll probably be useless in NG+, so if anyone has any tips for a weapon on NG+ lemme know.
Let's say I have a +5 fire already, and I want to save everything I use to make it into a chaos +5. I go to the blacksmith menu, start with +5 fire, and go all the way to chaos +5 using chunks and a slab. If I NEVER back out of the menu, the trophy pops, and I quit out, will the game have saved at ALL? When I come back will I have used up ANY materials?
Side note to anyone making a weapon out of Quelaag's soul, make SURE you make her fury blade. Not only is it fire imbued, but it scales with Dex AND humanity. I raped face with it in my first runthrough.
It'll probably be useless in NG+, so if anyone has any tips for a weapon on NG+ lemme know.
[quote name='IRHari']Jodou, explain to me how to save slabs.
Let's say I have a +5 fire already, and I want to save everything I use to make it into a chaos +5. I go to the blacksmith menu, start with +5 fire, and go all the way to chaos +5 using chunks and a slab. If I NEVER back out of the menu, the trophy pops, and I quit out, will the game have saved at ALL? When I come back will I have used up ANY materials?[/QUOTE]
It saves whenever you back out of the menu for what you're forging, so some stuff will be used in the process of getting it to chaos but the main point is to retain the slab. A few items use the titanite slab, so that's the big one to save from being used up otherwise you might find yourself short after two playthroughs.
Let's say I have a +5 fire already, and I want to save everything I use to make it into a chaos +5. I go to the blacksmith menu, start with +5 fire, and go all the way to chaos +5 using chunks and a slab. If I NEVER back out of the menu, the trophy pops, and I quit out, will the game have saved at ALL? When I come back will I have used up ANY materials?[/QUOTE]
It saves whenever you back out of the menu for what you're forging, so some stuff will be used in the process of getting it to chaos but the main point is to retain the slab. A few items use the titanite slab, so that's the big one to save from being used up otherwise you might find yourself short after two playthroughs.
[quote name='Jodou']It's not a matter of knowing what you're doing, he's inferior in stat points by four for his level. If you truly want to min/max then Wanderer/Pyro have the most stat points allocated for their level. That is why they're #1.
The statue is the altar, but perhaps the guide is slightly off because I had to write this during my second playthrough. Well, that and the official guide tells you to do the same damn thing. -_-
Maybe you have to summon Solaire to a boss fight at least once before the whole thing works? Or maybe the faith requirement stands for interacting with the altar as well. Sorry if I misled you at all.[/QUOTE]
Is there any requirement for being reverse hollowed? I have yet to do that. Does that make things in the game change (like maybe the altar being fixed)? Is there any point to doing that early on, or should I always remain hollow? I guess I need to reverse to summon Solaire for the gargoyle fight. I lost 3 humanity trying to get past the dragon, but am back to 2 fighting stuff afterwards.
Also, since I'm just about to do that gargoyle fight, any tips on hitting the tail? I don't want to miss that my first time if I can help it. Is it something you can target or do you need to not be locked in and just sort of aim for it manually? I'll be using winged spear/drake shield.
At least running past the dragon allowed me to open that gate and have a bonfire right near the next section. So that was sort of convenient. As I asked before, does that mean he is gone forever, or do I meet up with him somewhere else? I thought people were talking about killing him at some point.
But here's why I love this game. I beat the heavy armor guy near the flame keeper soul and went down to upgrade my Estus flask. When I came back up the elevator some bizarre looking red phantomy crab with a space helmet was in there and attacked me. WTF!? It was easy to kill and gave me a "twin humanity". That was a total surprise and is the kind of thing I just love in Demon's/Dark Souls!
The statue is the altar, but perhaps the guide is slightly off because I had to write this during my second playthrough. Well, that and the official guide tells you to do the same damn thing. -_-
Maybe you have to summon Solaire to a boss fight at least once before the whole thing works? Or maybe the faith requirement stands for interacting with the altar as well. Sorry if I misled you at all.[/QUOTE]
Is there any requirement for being reverse hollowed? I have yet to do that. Does that make things in the game change (like maybe the altar being fixed)? Is there any point to doing that early on, or should I always remain hollow? I guess I need to reverse to summon Solaire for the gargoyle fight. I lost 3 humanity trying to get past the dragon, but am back to 2 fighting stuff afterwards.
Also, since I'm just about to do that gargoyle fight, any tips on hitting the tail? I don't want to miss that my first time if I can help it. Is it something you can target or do you need to not be locked in and just sort of aim for it manually? I'll be using winged spear/drake shield.
At least running past the dragon allowed me to open that gate and have a bonfire right near the next section. So that was sort of convenient. As I asked before, does that mean he is gone forever, or do I meet up with him somewhere else? I thought people were talking about killing him at some point.
But here's why I love this game. I beat the heavy armor guy near the flame keeper soul and went down to upgrade my Estus flask. When I came back up the elevator some bizarre looking red phantomy crab with a space helmet was in there and attacked me. WTF!? It was easy to kill and gave me a "twin humanity". That was a total surprise and is the kind of thing I just love in Demon's/Dark Souls!
[quote name='io']Is there any requirement for being reverse hollowed? I have yet to do that. Does that make things in the game change (like maybe the altar being fixed)? Is there any point to doing that early on, or should I always remain hollow? I guess I need to reverse to summon Solaire for the gargoyle fight. I lost 3 humanity trying to get past the dragon, but am back to 2 fighting stuff afterwards.
Also, since I'm just about to do that gargoyle fight, any tips on hitting the tail? I don't want to miss that my first time if I can help it. Is it something you can target or do you need to not be locked in and just sort of aim for it manually? I'll be using winged spear/drake shield.
At least running past the dragon allowed me to open that gate and have a bonfire right near the next section. So that was sort of convenient. As I asked before, does that mean he is gone forever, or do I meet up with him somewhere else? I thought people were talking about killing him at some point.
But here's why I love this game. I beat the heavy armor guy near the flame keeper soul and went down to upgrade my Estus flask. When I came back up the elevator some bizarre looking red phantomy crab with a space helmet was in there and attacked me. WTF!? It was easy to kill and gave me a "twin humanity". That was a total surprise and is the kind of thing I just love in Demon's/Dark Souls![/QUOTE]
You have to have at least one humanity banked (upper left corner of the screen should have 01 instead of 00) to reverse hollow. You get cursed much easier when you're in human form. But you can summon phantoms like Solaire. Plus you can kindle if you have any other banked humanity.
Don't lock on if you want to hit the tail, this goes for all tails in the game. I find it much easier not to, that way you can run around him. Most boss fights in this game it's much easier to not lock on and just run around and hit them from behind.
You can kill the dragon permanently if you go up the tower where the black knight with the greatsword was, aiming down and shooting the dragon in the head from there. For some reason he glitches out and sinks into the ground and dies.
Also, since I'm just about to do that gargoyle fight, any tips on hitting the tail? I don't want to miss that my first time if I can help it. Is it something you can target or do you need to not be locked in and just sort of aim for it manually? I'll be using winged spear/drake shield.
At least running past the dragon allowed me to open that gate and have a bonfire right near the next section. So that was sort of convenient. As I asked before, does that mean he is gone forever, or do I meet up with him somewhere else? I thought people were talking about killing him at some point.
But here's why I love this game. I beat the heavy armor guy near the flame keeper soul and went down to upgrade my Estus flask. When I came back up the elevator some bizarre looking red phantomy crab with a space helmet was in there and attacked me. WTF!? It was easy to kill and gave me a "twin humanity". That was a total surprise and is the kind of thing I just love in Demon's/Dark Souls![/QUOTE]
You have to have at least one humanity banked (upper left corner of the screen should have 01 instead of 00) to reverse hollow. You get cursed much easier when you're in human form. But you can summon phantoms like Solaire. Plus you can kindle if you have any other banked humanity.
Don't lock on if you want to hit the tail, this goes for all tails in the game. I find it much easier not to, that way you can run around him. Most boss fights in this game it's much easier to not lock on and just run around and hit them from behind.
You can kill the dragon permanently if you go up the tower where the black knight with the greatsword was, aiming down and shooting the dragon in the head from there. For some reason he glitches out and sinks into the ground and dies.
[quote name='IRHari']You have to have at least one humanity banked (upper left corner of the screen should have 01 instead of 00) to reverse hollow. You get cursed much easier when you're in human form. But you can summon phantoms like Solaire. Plus you can kindle if you have any other banked humanity.
Don't lock on if you want to hit the tail, this goes for all tails in the game. I find it much easier not to, that way you can run around him. Most boss fights in this game it's much easier to not lock on and just run around and hit them from behind.
You can kill the dragon permanently if you go up the tower where the black knight with the greatsword was, aiming down and shooting the dragon in the head from there. For some reason he glitches out and sinks into the ground and dies.[/QUOTE]
OK, thanks. I suppose I should Kindle to get higher Estus amounts, right? Should I just be doing that whenever I can?
Also, I have no idea where a black night is. Like I said, the dragon left from the bridge area. Did he just go to another perch?
Don't lock on if you want to hit the tail, this goes for all tails in the game. I find it much easier not to, that way you can run around him. Most boss fights in this game it's much easier to not lock on and just run around and hit them from behind.
You can kill the dragon permanently if you go up the tower where the black knight with the greatsword was, aiming down and shooting the dragon in the head from there. For some reason he glitches out and sinks into the ground and dies.[/QUOTE]
OK, thanks. I suppose I should Kindle to get higher Estus amounts, right? Should I just be doing that whenever I can?
Also, I have no idea where a black night is. Like I said, the dragon left from the bridge area. Did he just go to another perch?
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going to try a fist playthrough now. god help me.
[quote name='io']OK, thanks. I suppose I should Kindle to get higher Estus amounts, right? Should I just be doing that whenever I can?
Also, I have no idea where a black night is. Like I said, the dragon left from the bridge area. Did he just go to another perch?[/QUOTE]
Yes, you should probably kindle whenever you can otherwise it'll just be a waste to lose humanity. You can only kindle each bonfire once until you get later in the game.
The dragon should come back if you go to the beginning of the bridge and attempt to cross again. The black knight is in a little tower through the game near the bonfire. People say you can shoot the dragon from up to glitch kill him, but the dragon can't necessarily be seen from there. I went up that tower many times when I was playing and I was never once able to see the dragon from there.
Also, you asked about whether reversing hollow will fix the alter, the only way to talk to the altar is to have 50 faith (this requirement is lowered by 5 for each time you help someone as a phantom beat an area boss).
Also, I have no idea where a black night is. Like I said, the dragon left from the bridge area. Did he just go to another perch?[/QUOTE]
Yes, you should probably kindle whenever you can otherwise it'll just be a waste to lose humanity. You can only kindle each bonfire once until you get later in the game.
The dragon should come back if you go to the beginning of the bridge and attempt to cross again. The black knight is in a little tower through the game near the bonfire. People say you can shoot the dragon from up to glitch kill him, but the dragon can't necessarily be seen from there. I went up that tower many times when I was playing and I was never once able to see the dragon from there.
Also, you asked about whether reversing hollow will fix the alter, the only way to talk to the altar is to have 50 faith (this requirement is lowered by 5 for each time you help someone as a phantom beat an area boss).
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Also, you asked about whether reversing hollow will fix the alter, the only way to talk to the altar is to have 50 faith (this requirement is lowered by 5 for each time you help someone as a phantom beat an area boss).[/QUOTE]
Guess I'll have to get into that again. I did a lot of that in Demon's Souls just as a way to earn souls. I'm not far enough along to do that yet, though. Maybe I could help on the Taurus Demon or something.
And I'm pretty sure I went all the way across the bridge to talk to Solaire and then back again and no dragon.
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Can anyone tell me what the red phantom crab thing was that I fought? That was so random.
Also, you asked about whether reversing hollow will fix the alter, the only way to talk to the altar is to have 50 faith (this requirement is lowered by 5 for each time you help someone as a phantom beat an area boss).[/QUOTE]
Guess I'll have to get into that again. I did a lot of that in Demon's Souls just as a way to earn souls. I'm not far enough along to do that yet, though. Maybe I could help on the Taurus Demon or something.
And I'm pretty sure I went all the way across the bridge to talk to Solaire and then back again and no dragon.
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Can anyone tell me what the red phantom crab thing was that I fought? That was so random.
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Man, Channeler's Trident must have a ridiculously low drop rate...30 humanity w/drop ring and 2 hours later still no drop
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[quote name='deviousnaraku']Man, Channeler's Trident must have a ridiculously low drop rate...30 humanity w/drop ring and 2 hours later still no drop [/QUOTE]
The guide has it as an "A" or Rare for the drop rate.
Order goes;
M-Guaranteed
E-Common
D-Semi Common
C-Semi Rare
B-Quite Rare
A-Rare
S-Very Rare
Something to think about, humanity from rats is also an A, and even with a whole group of them near the Depths bonfire it takes a long time....
[/QUOTE]The guide has it as an "A" or Rare for the drop rate.
Order goes;
M-Guaranteed
E-Common
D-Semi Common
C-Semi Rare
B-Quite Rare
A-Rare
S-Very Rare
Something to think about, humanity from rats is also an A, and even with a whole group of them near the Depths bonfire it takes a long time....
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[quote name='KrizB']The guide has it as an "A" or Rare for the drop rate.
Order goes;
M-Guaranteed
E-Common
D-Semi Common
C-Semi Rare
B-Quite Rare
A-Rare
S-Very Rare
Something to think about, humanity from rats is also an A, and even with a whole group of them near the Depths bonfire it takes a long time....[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have the guidebook too. It just wont drop for me. After about another hour I gave up - and that was all just running past the crystal soldiers, killing both Channelers, and running back to bonfire over and over. I have no problem farming humanity off rats, but I use the bonfire past the hellkite dragon. On average I get 1 humanity every 5-10 times I drop down there.
Order goes;
M-Guaranteed
E-Common
D-Semi Common
C-Semi Rare
B-Quite Rare
A-Rare
S-Very Rare
Something to think about, humanity from rats is also an A, and even with a whole group of them near the Depths bonfire it takes a long time....[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have the guidebook too. It just wont drop for me. After about another hour I gave up - and that was all just running past the crystal soldiers, killing both Channelers, and running back to bonfire over and over. I have no problem farming humanity off rats, but I use the bonfire past the hellkite dragon. On average I get 1 humanity every 5-10 times I drop down there.
Summoned Solaire for the gargoyle fight and he got killed. Otherwise I didn't have much problem and the tail popped almost immediately in the beginning of the fight. I hadn't even really gotten my bearings yet :lol:.
Oh yeah, and the dragon did come back - it almost killed me when I was all the way out on the bridge trying to take out those enemies.
Afterwards I got myself summoned along with someone else into the gargoyle fight and we beat them in less than a minute. So I guess I'll use that approach to get the faith limit reduced for Solaire. I guess I'm at 45 now (and my faith is 14). It seems that unlike Demon's Souls, you can be summoned in either soul form or human form.
Question: what is the purpose of farming humanity?
Oh yeah, and the dragon did come back - it almost killed me when I was all the way out on the bridge trying to take out those enemies.
Afterwards I got myself summoned along with someone else into the gargoyle fight and we beat them in less than a minute. So I guess I'll use that approach to get the faith limit reduced for Solaire. I guess I'm at 45 now (and my faith is 14). It seems that unlike Demon's Souls, you can be summoned in either soul form or human form.
Question: what is the purpose of farming humanity?
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[quote name='io']Question: what is the purpose of farming humanity?[/QUOTE]
Humanity is used for increasing item discovery (maxes out at 30). It's also used to gain ranks in some Covenants.
Humanity is used for increasing item discovery (maxes out at 30). It's also used to gain ranks in some Covenants.
Protip for ANY Farming: Equip the Homeward Miracle, it makes it faster then running all the way to the last bonfire you were at.
Oh and for anyone looking for Demon Titanite to upgrade Boss weapons, the Titanite Demon in Lost Izalith that you cana ccess via the shortcut (using Chaos Servant +2) will RESPAWN. Plus he always drops 2 demon titanite, which makes upgrading weapons a cinch.
Oh and for anyone looking for Demon Titanite to upgrade Boss weapons, the Titanite Demon in Lost Izalith that you cana ccess via the shortcut (using Chaos Servant +2) will RESPAWN. Plus he always drops 2 demon titanite, which makes upgrading weapons a cinch.
Ran into my first game-stopper... That Capra Demon just slaughters me. I even looked back in the thread and saw the rolling tactic. I managed to get up the stairs but as soon as I turned around both dogs and the demon were right there and finished me off. I honestly don't even see how this fight is possible. But then again, I'm not sure I'm even supposed to be there. I'm following your guide Jodou and it doesn't mention when I should be fighting him.
Do I need to fight him to get to "The Depths"? The Gamespot walkthrough has you going to the lightning guy by the blacksmith. I guess that is Darkroot Basin, which you have coming way, way later. And yeah, the Gamespot guide says you get the Depths key from Capra. Well, crap... The Gamespot guide also calls this a "relatively easy boss". WTF!? It's by far the hardest thing I've seen yet. Then again, in their screen shots, they seem to have health and stamina bars that are at least twice as long as mine, if not more.
Do I need to fight him to get to "The Depths"? The Gamespot walkthrough has you going to the lightning guy by the blacksmith. I guess that is Darkroot Basin, which you have coming way, way later. And yeah, the Gamespot guide says you get the Depths key from Capra. Well, crap... The Gamespot guide also calls this a "relatively easy boss". WTF!? It's by far the hardest thing I've seen yet. Then again, in their screen shots, they seem to have health and stamina bars that are at least twice as long as mine, if not more.
[quote name='io']Ran into my first game-stopper... That Capra Demon just slaughters me. I even looked back in the thread and saw the rolling tactic. I managed to get up the stairs but as soon as I turned around both dogs and the demon were right there and finished me off. I honestly don't even see how this fight is possible. But then again, I'm not sure I'm even supposed to be there. I'm following your guide Jodou and it doesn't mention when I should be fighting him.[/QUOTE]
Wait for him to come close(r) to you, run/roll through and run up the stairs. Kill the doggies, then wait for CD to come up the stairs. Jump off the stairs, wait for him to jump off - he will be a bit stunned, hit him a few times, run up the stairs, lather, rinse, repeat. I got stuck several times before I was able to do it. For some reason I couldn't get away from him & his swing....then it magically happened one time for me. A bit of patience in the beginning is needed, otherwise I could see him up on you when the doggies are there as well, which would not be a good thing.
On a side note, the Iron Golem has to be the easiest boss (thus far). Was it a mistake to go to the painted world without clearing out Anor first?
Wait for him to come close(r) to you, run/roll through and run up the stairs. Kill the doggies, then wait for CD to come up the stairs. Jump off the stairs, wait for him to jump off - he will be a bit stunned, hit him a few times, run up the stairs, lather, rinse, repeat. I got stuck several times before I was able to do it. For some reason I couldn't get away from him & his swing....then it magically happened one time for me. A bit of patience in the beginning is needed, otherwise I could see him up on you when the doggies are there as well, which would not be a good thing.
On a side note, the Iron Golem has to be the easiest boss (thus far). Was it a mistake to go to the painted world without clearing out Anor first?
just a question on weapons
so as a sorcerer that wants maybe a back up weap when out of spells how exactly should i reinforce a weapon to scale with lets say int. or should i just make it lighting/fire? am about to start sens after a little farming btw. got a nice crystal from brighttown too but it's nothing compared to the fds
so as a sorcerer that wants maybe a back up weap when out of spells how exactly should i reinforce a weapon to scale with lets say int. or should i just make it lighting/fire? am about to start sens after a little farming btw. got a nice crystal from brighttown too but it's nothing compared to the fds
[quote name='KrizB']The guide has it as an "A" or Rare for the drop rate.
Order goes;
M-Guaranteed
E-Common
D-Semi Common
C-Semi Rare
B-Quite Rare
A-Rare
S-Very Rare
Something to think about, humanity from rats is also an A, and even with a whole group of them near the Depths bonfire it takes a long time....[/QUOTE]
Where the hell did you find that? I was looking all over the guide at the beginning of item lists to try and figure out their retarded grading system. I kind of figured it out eventually on my own, but JFC could the guide be more cryptic?
[quote name='io']Ran into my first game-stopper... That Capra Demon just slaughters me. I even looked back in the thread and saw the rolling tactic. I managed to get up the stairs but as soon as I turned around both dogs and the demon were right there and finished me off. I honestly don't even see how this fight is possible. But then again, I'm not sure I'm even supposed to be there. I'm following your guide Jodou and it doesn't mention when I should be fighting him.[/QUOTE]You kill him for the key to the Depths, but otherwise he has nothing specific to a trophy. Remember, my guide is purely for things you can miss, so it's not meant to be a spoilerific walkthrough.[quote name='Kevfactor']just a question on weapons
so as a sorcerer that wants maybe a back up weap when out of spells how exactly should i reinforce a weapon to scale with lets say int. or should i just make it lighting/fire? am about to start sens after a little farming btw. got a nice crystal from brighttown too but it's nothing compared to the fds[/QUOTE]You will LOVE Sword of Moonlight.
Order goes;
M-Guaranteed
E-Common
D-Semi Common
C-Semi Rare
B-Quite Rare
A-Rare
S-Very Rare
Something to think about, humanity from rats is also an A, and even with a whole group of them near the Depths bonfire it takes a long time....[/QUOTE]
Where the hell did you find that? I was looking all over the guide at the beginning of item lists to try and figure out their retarded grading system. I kind of figured it out eventually on my own, but JFC could the guide be more cryptic?
[quote name='io']Ran into my first game-stopper... That Capra Demon just slaughters me. I even looked back in the thread and saw the rolling tactic. I managed to get up the stairs but as soon as I turned around both dogs and the demon were right there and finished me off. I honestly don't even see how this fight is possible. But then again, I'm not sure I'm even supposed to be there. I'm following your guide Jodou and it doesn't mention when I should be fighting him.[/QUOTE]You kill him for the key to the Depths, but otherwise he has nothing specific to a trophy. Remember, my guide is purely for things you can miss, so it's not meant to be a spoilerific walkthrough.[quote name='Kevfactor']just a question on weapons
so as a sorcerer that wants maybe a back up weap when out of spells how exactly should i reinforce a weapon to scale with lets say int. or should i just make it lighting/fire? am about to start sens after a little farming btw. got a nice crystal from brighttown too but it's nothing compared to the fds
[/QUOTE]You will LOVE Sword of Moonlight.
[quote name='io']Ran into my first game-stopper... That Capra Demon just slaughters me. I even looked back in the thread and saw the rolling tactic. I managed to get up the stairs but as soon as I turned around both dogs and the demon were right there and finished me off. I honestly don't even see how this fight is possible. But then again, I'm not sure I'm even supposed to be there. I'm following your guide Jodou and it doesn't mention when I should be fighting him.
Do I need to fight him to get to "The Depths"? The Gamespot walkthrough has you going to the lightning guy by the blacksmith. I guess that is Darkroot Basin, which you have coming way, way later. And yeah, the Gamespot guide says you get the Depths key from Capra. Well, crap... The Gamespot guide also calls this a "relatively easy boss". WTF!? It's by far the hardest thing I've seen yet. Then again, in their screen shots, they seem to have health and stamina bars that are at least twice as long as mine, if not more.[/QUOTE]
I had so much trouble with that boss, the most of any until I ran into the boss for Anor Londo. I think it's mostly luck whether you killed instantly or live long enough to kill off the dogs. Once you kill the dogs he's easy, but getting to that point sucks. Personally, I was only able to do it by NOT running up the stairs, because the dogs and demon always killed me when I tried that. One guide says the demon can't get up the stairs to the archway, but that's bullshit. You do need to kill him to get to the Depths.
Regarding the master key, I'm playing through without it, and it might be a little more inconvenient, but it's not a huge deal. I tried using the upper entrance to Blighttown but couldn't get past the first guy so I ended up just using the lower entrance, which is simple to get to even without the master key (blacksmith > Darkroot Basin > elevator to Valley of the Drakes > Blighttown).
For the poster above, I got into the Painted World on accident almost as soon as I entered Anor Londo and I was unhappy at first since you can't leave until you finish it, but it's actually not too hard at all (other than the rolling skeletons at first) and it has some good items.
I spent most of my playing time over the weekend trying to kill Smough and Ornstein. What a pain in the ass. Please tell me this is, if not the worst, at least one of the top 3 worst boss fights in the game. Finally got past them and tried the catacombs but I don't think any of my weapons can keep the skeletons killed (tried the Occult club that I found somewhere but it didn't work even though Occult branches from the Divine path). What's a good weapon to upgrade to Divine? Does it need to be a bludgeoning weapon (e.g. club, mace, etc) since skeletons are resistant to slashes (so no swords), or does it not matter in this game?
Do I need to fight him to get to "The Depths"? The Gamespot walkthrough has you going to the lightning guy by the blacksmith. I guess that is Darkroot Basin, which you have coming way, way later. And yeah, the Gamespot guide says you get the Depths key from Capra. Well, crap... The Gamespot guide also calls this a "relatively easy boss". WTF!? It's by far the hardest thing I've seen yet. Then again, in their screen shots, they seem to have health and stamina bars that are at least twice as long as mine, if not more.[/QUOTE]
I had so much trouble with that boss, the most of any until I ran into the boss for Anor Londo. I think it's mostly luck whether you killed instantly or live long enough to kill off the dogs. Once you kill the dogs he's easy, but getting to that point sucks. Personally, I was only able to do it by NOT running up the stairs, because the dogs and demon always killed me when I tried that. One guide says the demon can't get up the stairs to the archway, but that's bullshit. You do need to kill him to get to the Depths.
Regarding the master key, I'm playing through without it, and it might be a little more inconvenient, but it's not a huge deal. I tried using the upper entrance to Blighttown but couldn't get past the first guy so I ended up just using the lower entrance, which is simple to get to even without the master key (blacksmith > Darkroot Basin > elevator to Valley of the Drakes > Blighttown).
For the poster above, I got into the Painted World on accident almost as soon as I entered Anor Londo and I was unhappy at first since you can't leave until you finish it, but it's actually not too hard at all (other than the rolling skeletons at first) and it has some good items.
I spent most of my playing time over the weekend trying to kill Smough and Ornstein. What a pain in the ass. Please tell me this is, if not the worst, at least one of the top 3 worst boss fights in the game. Finally got past them and tried the catacombs but I don't think any of my weapons can keep the skeletons killed (tried the Occult club that I found somewhere but it didn't work even though Occult branches from the Divine path). What's a good weapon to upgrade to Divine? Does it need to be a bludgeoning weapon (e.g. club, mace, etc) since skeletons are resistant to slashes (so no swords), or does it not matter in this game?
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[quote name='Jodou']Where the hell did you find that? I was looking all over the guide at the beginning of item lists to try and figure out their retarded grading system. I kind of figured it out eventually on my own, but JFC could the guide be more cryptic?
[/QUOTE]
Bottom of page 38, "Enemy Drops".
Lots of info in the guide by you gotta work for it.
Get the feeling From Soft was ghostwriting.
[quote name='Backlash'] What's a good weapon to upgrade to Divine? Does it need to be a bludgeoning weapon (e.g. club, mace, etc) since skeletons are resistant to slashes (so no swords), or does it not matter in this game?[/QUOTE]
It can be any weapon.
I upgraded a Claymore sword to +5.
One handed it does a sweeping motion that doesn't bounce off walls and can hit up to three Skeletons at a time. Very useful on the narrow staircases and walkways, just try not to auto target and swing off the side.:lol:
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Bottom of page 38, "Enemy Drops".
Lots of info in the guide by you gotta work for it.
Get the feeling From Soft was ghostwriting.
[quote name='Backlash'] What's a good weapon to upgrade to Divine? Does it need to be a bludgeoning weapon (e.g. club, mace, etc) since skeletons are resistant to slashes (so no swords), or does it not matter in this game?[/QUOTE]
It can be any weapon.
I upgraded a Claymore sword to +5.
One handed it does a sweeping motion that doesn't bounce off walls and can hit up to three Skeletons at a time. Very useful on the narrow staircases and walkways, just try not to auto target and swing off the side.:lol:
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[quote name='KrizB']Bottom of page 38, "Enemy Drops".
Lots of info in the guide by you gotta work for it.
Get the feeling From Soft was ghostwriting.[/QUOTE]
ROFL, so they put the legend for rarity ranking on page 38 and then the actual items 200 pages later.
Future Unimpressed.
Lots of info in the guide by you gotta work for it.
Get the feeling From Soft was ghostwriting.[/QUOTE]
ROFL, so they put the legend for rarity ranking on page 38 and then the actual items 200 pages later.
Future Unimpressed.[quote name='Kevfactor']just a question on weapons
so as a sorcerer that wants maybe a back up weap when out of spells how exactly should i reinforce a weapon to scale with lets say int. or should i just make it lighting/fire? am about to start sens after a little farming btw. got a nice crystal from brighttown too but it's nothing compared to the fds[/QUOTE]
Jodou is right about the moonlight greatsword. I was a sorcerer and loved it. Before you can get that though (it's not until pretty late in the game), you can upgrade an item to magic or enchanted, they bother scale with int or just go with lightning/fire.
[quote name='Backlash'] What's a good weapon to upgrade to Divine? Does it need to be a bludgeoning weapon (e.g. club, mace, etc) since skeletons are resistant to slashes (so no swords), or does it not matter in this game?[/QUOTE]
I upgraded the mace you find right in the beginning of the game to divine +10.
[quote name='Jodou']ROFL, so they put the legend for rarity ranking on page 38 and then the actual items 200 pages later. Future Unimpressed.[/QUOTE]
I think you complain about things just to complain. The legend in in the right place consider it's the legend for rarity of enemy drops and it's in the enemy data section. It would make even less sense to include what items enemies drop and how rare it is, but don't put the legend until the item index.
so as a sorcerer that wants maybe a back up weap when out of spells how exactly should i reinforce a weapon to scale with lets say int. or should i just make it lighting/fire? am about to start sens after a little farming btw. got a nice crystal from brighttown too but it's nothing compared to the fds
[/QUOTE]Jodou is right about the moonlight greatsword. I was a sorcerer and loved it. Before you can get that though (it's not until pretty late in the game), you can upgrade an item to magic or enchanted, they bother scale with int or just go with lightning/fire.
[quote name='Backlash'] What's a good weapon to upgrade to Divine? Does it need to be a bludgeoning weapon (e.g. club, mace, etc) since skeletons are resistant to slashes (so no swords), or does it not matter in this game?[/QUOTE]
I upgraded the mace you find right in the beginning of the game to divine +10.
[quote name='Jodou']ROFL, so they put the legend for rarity ranking on page 38 and then the actual items 200 pages later.
Future Unimpressed.[/QUOTE]I think you complain about things just to complain. The legend in in the right place consider it's the legend for rarity of enemy drops and it's in the enemy data section. It would make even less sense to include what items enemies drop and how rare it is, but don't put the legend until the item index.
I thought there wasn't any info about weapon upgrading (using the various titanites) in the guide because the Weapons section doesn't have it, but there's actually pretty decent info about that in the Extras section.
Edit: I do think the key for the enemy drop rarity thing is in the right place in the guide. I saw it when I first started using the guide. The guide index is worthless, though. Wish they had a very full index to help find stuff in the guide.
Edit: I do think the key for the enemy drop rarity thing is in the right place in the guide. I saw it when I first started using the guide. The guide index is worthless, though. Wish they had a very full index to help find stuff in the guide.
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I think you complain about things just to complain. The legend in in the right place consider it's the legend for rarity of enemy drops and it's in the enemy data section. It would make even less sense to include what items enemies drop and how rare it is, but don't put the legend until the item index.[/QUOTE]
Dude, it doesn't make sense because they explain everything BUT item rarity scale in the items section. I purposefully avoided the monster compendium because I didn't want to see what bosses were coming up while I was playing it, but I did want to see what weapons were available so you can imagine the confusion. Also, did you notice weight is absent from certain items? I think it was shields or maybe it was weapons I was looking at that didn't list it. It's one of the most important factors when choosing gear and they left it out. I'm not just complaining for no reason here.[quote name='Backlash']I thought there wasn't any info about weapon upgrading (using the various titanites) in the guide because the Weapons section doesn't have it, but there's actually pretty decent info about that in the Extras section.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I felt pretty dumb when I found all that info back there because usually Extras means, well extras lol, and not an extension of guide info. Maybe I need to write a cliff notes for the guide haha.
Dude, it doesn't make sense because they explain everything BUT item rarity scale in the items section. I purposefully avoided the monster compendium because I didn't want to see what bosses were coming up while I was playing it, but I did want to see what weapons were available so you can imagine the confusion. Also, did you notice weight is absent from certain items? I think it was shields or maybe it was weapons I was looking at that didn't list it. It's one of the most important factors when choosing gear and they left it out. I'm not just complaining for no reason here.[quote name='Backlash']I thought there wasn't any info about weapon upgrading (using the various titanites) in the guide because the Weapons section doesn't have it, but there's actually pretty decent info about that in the Extras section.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I felt pretty dumb when I found all that info back there because usually Extras means, well extras lol, and not an extension of guide info. Maybe I need to write a cliff notes for the guide haha.
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[quote name='Brainberry']I got a master key on N+ in the first locked door in undead burg, but you're gonna need to buy a resident key to get in from the undead merchant[/QUOTE]
[quote name='WillThatsWho']Is that so? Can anyone else confirm this? Not that I don't believe you Brainberry, I'm just really curious. ^^[/QUOTE]
Anyone?
Also - you guys are lucky you got the hard copy of the book.. I got the retarded download mini-guide. Thinking of buying the Hardcover guide off eBay just for collector's purpose mainly.
[quote name='WillThatsWho']Is that so? Can anyone else confirm this? Not that I don't believe you Brainberry, I'm just really curious. ^^[/QUOTE]
Anyone?
Also - you guys are lucky you got the hard copy of the book.. I got the retarded download mini-guide. Thinking of buying the Hardcover guide off eBay just for collector's purpose mainly.
[quote name='Jodou']Dude, it doesn't make sense because they explain everything BUT item rarity scale in the items section. I purposefully avoided the monster compendium because I didn't want to see what bosses were coming up while I was playing it, but I did want to see what weapons were available so you can imagine the confusion. Also, did you notice weight is absent from certain items? I think it was shields or something I was looking at that didn't list it. It's one of the most important factors when choosing gear and they left it out. I'm not just complaining for no reason here.[/QUOTE]
Leaving the weight has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Similarly, I noticed a weapon or two had the upgrade space blank.
I'm not trying to say the guide is perfect, it isn't, but the rarity guide is in the right place. Whenever you introduce a concept for the first time, that's when you explain and then you never have to again. The item rarity was introduced in the enemy section, so that's where it was explained. Just because you didn't look there doesn't mean they did something wrong.
[quote name='WillThatsWho']Anyone?[/QUOTE]
I think most people just took the key to begin with.
Leaving the weight has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Similarly, I noticed a weapon or two had the upgrade space blank.
I'm not trying to say the guide is perfect, it isn't, but the rarity guide is in the right place. Whenever you introduce a concept for the first time, that's when you explain and then you never have to again. The item rarity was introduced in the enemy section, so that's where it was explained. Just because you didn't look there doesn't mean they did something wrong.
[quote name='WillThatsWho']Anyone?
[/QUOTE]I think most people just took the key to begin with.
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Leaving the weight has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Similarly, I noticed a weapon or two had the upgrade space blank.
I'm not trying to say the guide is perfect, it isn't, but the rarity guide is in the right place. Whenever you introduce a concept for the first time, that's when you explain and then you never have to again. The item rarity was introduced in the enemy section, so that's where it was explained. Just because you didn't look there doesn't mean they did something wrong.[/QUOTE]
Nope, I disagree. A guide should flow in a way that makes sense and quite frankly having monsters at the beginning of the guide seems weird to begin with. Ideally, they should have placed that section AFTER the items and never even brought up item rarity in there. Would it make sense to list enemy strats with the item? Of course not and it's the same difference here.
[quote name='WillThatsWho']Anyone?[/QUOTE]I'd have to see proof of that since I don't have evidence one way or the other. From everything I've read the Master Key is unobtainable in any form unless you're a thief or choose it as your starting gift.
I'm not trying to say the guide is perfect, it isn't, but the rarity guide is in the right place. Whenever you introduce a concept for the first time, that's when you explain and then you never have to again. The item rarity was introduced in the enemy section, so that's where it was explained. Just because you didn't look there doesn't mean they did something wrong.[/QUOTE]
Nope, I disagree. A guide should flow in a way that makes sense and quite frankly having monsters at the beginning of the guide seems weird to begin with. Ideally, they should have placed that section AFTER the items and never even brought up item rarity in there. Would it make sense to list enemy strats with the item? Of course not and it's the same difference here.
[quote name='WillThatsWho']Anyone?
[/QUOTE]I'd have to see proof of that since I don't have evidence one way or the other. From everything I've read the Master Key is unobtainable in any form unless you're a thief or choose it as your starting gift.[quote name='Jodou']Nope, I disagree. A guide should flow in a way that makes sense and quite frankly having monsters at the beginning of the guide seems weird to begin with. Ideally, they should have placed that section AFTER the items and never even brought up item rarity in there. Would it make sense to list enemy strats with the item? Of course not and it's the same difference here.[/QUOTE]
While I agree the enemy section shouldn't have come before the actual guide, I think the monster section should have been directly after the guide because that's where I would probably flip to more often than the item section. And you think the enemy section shouldn't include what the enemies drop? That's ridiculous.
[quote name='Jodou']
I'd have to see proof of that since I don't have evidence one way or the other. From everything I've read the Master Key is unobtainable in any form unless you're a thief or choose it as your starting gift.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I've never seen anything about being able to get the master key beyond starting with it. I remember even in developer interviews before the game came out, they said something like "It's the only gift you can't get in the world."
While I agree the enemy section shouldn't have come before the actual guide, I think the monster section should have been directly after the guide because that's where I would probably flip to more often than the item section. And you think the enemy section shouldn't include what the enemies drop? That's ridiculous.
[quote name='Jodou']
I'd have to see proof of that since I don't have evidence one way or the other. From everything I've read the Master Key is unobtainable in any form unless you're a thief or choose it as your starting gift.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I've never seen anything about being able to get the master key beyond starting with it. I remember even in developer interviews before the game came out, they said something like "It's the only gift you can't get in the world."
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[quote name='ChibiJosh'] I think most people just took the key to begin with.[/QUOTE]
My main character is too far into the game for me to start over, but I'm not too far till the end.... I think... so I'll be able to confirm this for myself and everyone else once I hit NG+ I guess hehe. Only reason why I haven't blazed through this game as fast as everyone else is because I'm a fighting game junkie, as well as hanging out with friends irl hehe. But... I think maybe tonight I'm gonna go full throttle on Dark Souls and see if Ic an put myself a few inches away from beating it (stop to do all the "things-you-do-before-beating-game" things lol).
My main character is too far into the game for me to start over, but I'm not too far till the end.... I think... so I'll be able to confirm this for myself and everyone else once I hit NG+ I guess hehe. Only reason why I haven't blazed through this game as fast as everyone else is because I'm a fighting game junkie, as well as hanging out with friends irl hehe. But... I think maybe tonight I'm gonna go full throttle on Dark Souls and see if Ic an put myself a few inches away from beating it (stop to do all the "things-you-do-before-beating-game" things lol).
[quote name='ChibiJosh']While I agree the enemy section shouldn't have come before the actual guide, I think the monster section should have been directly after the guide because that's where I would probably flip to more often than the item section. And you think the enemy section shouldn't include what the enemies drop? That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Whatever, if you're going to use a cryptic rating system for rarity make sure it's explained in both legends. Problem solved.
Whatever, if you're going to use a cryptic rating system for rarity make sure it's explained in both legends. Problem solved.
I don't really see the point in choosing any item other than the master key. The items are either useless (old witch ring, pendent, binoculars) or 1 use only (divine blessing, black firebombs, twin humanity). The only other item is the tiny being ring which according to the guide only gives you a 5% max HP boost which seems like it's a waste of a good ring slot.
Instead of the tiny being ring, they should have given you the ring of favor and promise.
Instead of the tiny being ring, they should have given you the ring of favor and promise.
2 question about covenants:
1. If I join the Chaos Servant cov and level up to 2 to open the shortcut, does the shortcut stay open even if I leave that cov, or is it only open while I'm a Chaos Servant?
2. I've seen conflicting reports about getting sin. Some say you only get sin by "betraying" your cov (e.g. killing the other forest hunters while in that cov); others say you get sin by joining another cov while you're already in one. So far I've always gone back to Oswald to leave a cov gracefully before joining a new one so I won't get sin, but that's kind of a pain. Anyone know the real deal here?
1. If I join the Chaos Servant cov and level up to 2 to open the shortcut, does the shortcut stay open even if I leave that cov, or is it only open while I'm a Chaos Servant?
2. I've seen conflicting reports about getting sin. Some say you only get sin by "betraying" your cov (e.g. killing the other forest hunters while in that cov); others say you get sin by joining another cov while you're already in one. So far I've always gone back to Oswald to leave a cov gracefully before joining a new one so I won't get sin, but that's kind of a pain. Anyone know the real deal here?
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