Debate #3: McCain vs Obama - The Reckoning

[quote name='Dead of Knight']I voted for Obama even though he didn't win by very much. I would have said it was a tie but McCain kept saying stupid phrases like "My friends...." and "President ___ is my hero." This is coming from as neutral of a standpoint as I can give. Clearly Obama won on the issues I care about, but I was trying to be a little objective while thinking about who "won."[/QUOTE]

I give McCain points for making me laugh out loud with his use of the word "cronies", but overall, Obama won it.
 
This debate sucked. It was the same talking points over and over and over and over again. Seriously, it gets old hearing the same 3 things over and over. I blame the people who picked these questions, especially the internet ones. Just terrible.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']This debate sucked. It was the same talking points over and over and over and over again. Seriously, it gets old hearing the same 3 things over and over. I blame the people who picked these questions, especially the internet ones. Just terrible.[/QUOTE]

This. I think Obama would have fared better if the questions and format weren't total dogshit.
 
It was an even debate. I did not like how Obama and McCain ducked the last question. Understanding one's failures is important. I don't want a President who thinks he's infallible.

Just a note, Michelle Obama shook hands and greeted the crowd. Cindy McCain stood at a distance with her hands behind her back.

Oh, and let us get back to a real debate format. This "town hall" situation sucked.
 
The way McCain stands creeps me out. Like he's got a carrot up his ass. And is that a microphone or a fucking popsicle?

McCain just spit out the same phrases. He can't even change up his memorized commentary. "I saw KGB in his eyes" and various other crap we've heard 100x by now. Calling everyone his "friend" and more of the same pandering tactics he schooled Palin in, like asskissing the soldier and forcing Obama to acknowledge some random schmuck's military service or be torn apart for not doing it, basically World War Bracelet all over again. McCain could do a little better than he does in debates if he didn't spout of the same canned replies. Realtime ratings always drop when stuff like that (ie: Joe Sixpack, etc.) is regurgitated.

Best part of the debate was both of them blocking Tom's teleprompter. "Move yo' bitchasses, I can't see mah shit!"

Just a note, Michelle Obama shook hands and greeted the crowd. Cindy McCain stood at a distance with her hands behind her back.
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Was that who that was? I thought it was Cruella Deville looking for dalmations to skin.
 
I'll give it to Obama, just to make thrust happy. I don't think Obama did or said anything special, but the format pretty much gave it to him.

Sad that there's no option for Brokaw.
 
[quote name='PR Mega X']I give McCain points for making me laugh out loud with his use of the word "cronies", but overall, Obama won it.[/QUOTE]

"My friends" was the worst. He must have said that at least 30 times.
 
I could say the same about McCain.

Let me say something about the taxes. The tax cuts Democrats seem to be referring to (shuffles papers for a second) is the Bush tax cuts. Under Obama's plan the Bush tax cuts would expire (middle class tax rates go up 4-6% from that). And again, only 70% of the American people pay taxes. So how can you give 95% of the American people tax cuts? Someone tell me how with something that doesn't involve taxing the other 25% first.

Also, did McCain propose 300 billion for a mortgage buyout?
 
[quote name='KingBroly']I could say the same about McCain.

Let me say something about the taxes. The tax cuts Democrats seem to be referring to (shuffles papers for a second) is the Bush tax cuts. Under Obama's plan the Bush tax cuts would expire (middle class tax rates go up 4-6% from that). And again, only 70% of the American people pay taxes. So how can you give 95% of the American people tax cuts? Someone tell me how with something that doesn't involve taxing the other 25% first.

Also, did McCain propose 300 billion for a mortgage buyout?[/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Obama said 95% of working Americans.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']The way McCain stands creeps me out. Like he's got a carrot up his ass. And is that a microphone or a fucking popsicle?[/quote]


:rofl:

[quote name='dmaul1114']"My friends" was the worst. He must have said that at least 30 times.[/quote]


I expected to hear McCain say "friendo" to match Palin's ending wink.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Well the planned repeal on the Bush tax cuts is only for the top two tax brackets.

The tax plan is here, for your perusal: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf[/quote]

He's going to let the tax cuts EXPIRE. The tax cuts were for everyone. You can't differentiate with tax cuts. You have to keep them all or they all go away. You also should realize that tax cuts are never permanent.
 
I was going to vote this a tie, but after thinking of everything that has been said tonight, I gave Obama a slight edge. I liked how he defended himself against McCain whenever he kept attacking him on the issues on nearly every question, and in responding to those attacks, I liked how he turned that around and counterattacked using McCain's voting record, and quotes that McCain has previously said ('fundamentals of the economy', and 'Bomb bomb bomb Iraq' come to mind).
I also did not like that McCain said, or suggested I should say, to take the $5,000 credit for health care and cross state lines to avoid paying taxes on that credit... I say bullshit! Why should anyone cross state lines to avoid taxes from a credit for health care? Did he not recieve the memo that gas prices are high? I also didn't like that McCain would like to see Meg Whitman as Treasury Secretary, I think she's terrible. Just yesterday eBay had to lay off 10% of their workforce... Obama came across more presidental, and his answers had more substance, even though he did kept to his talking points, but he did well in this town-hall style debate.

With that said, I thought that tonight overall was really boring, and Tom Brokaw was a terrible moderator. He asked a lot of his own questions, when really it should center around questions from regular folks.
 
Although its slightly off topic, How does Pat Buchanan keep getting work as an analyst? He's the worst "analyst" I've ever heard.
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An "analyst" in modern news is actually a familiar face used to boost ratings, whether they know their shit or not. The news is all one big polished entertainment show since moving from broadcast to cable means they have bills to pay and ratings to enable the bills to be paid. Evident by channels such as CNN self-promoting DURING newscasts..."keeping them honest" with "the best news team on television."

My dad watches MSNBC now and I wondered why he stopped watching CNN. Now I know. MSNBC isn't much better though. Keith Olbermann is slowly turning into a polar opposite clone of his nemesis Bill O'Reilly. Headline News is basically the biggest sellout news channel of them all. Glen Beck, Nancy Grace, AJ Hammer, trading their shows back and forth from dusk till dawn to the point where Headline News now has an almost total lack of "news." Having to do news breaks on a news network is a gargantuan failure. The bullshit opinion shows and niche shows (I wish I could shove Mexico up Lou Dobbs' ass) are supposed to be peppered in, not the bulk of programming.

Rant over.

I expected to hear McCain say "friendo" to match Palin's ending wink.
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I unofficially changed my cat's name to Friendo after that movie.
 
My expert analysis of this debate that will 100% with certainty help you determine who won this debate:




Where's my pillow?
 
[quote name='KingBroly']He's going to let the tax cuts EXPIRE. The tax cuts were for everyone. You can't differentiate with tax cuts. You have to keep them all or they all go away. You also should realize that tax cuts are never permanent.[/quote]

I don't see why it would be impossible to pass a bill extending tax cuts on only some tax brackets.
 
[quote name='tokitoki50']In all seriousness I'm gonna say it was a tie. There wasn't anything really devastating questions for either of them. I liked what Obama had to say and I was kind of disturbed at McCain's evil chuckle.[/QUOTE]

IMHO I think Obama did well on the healthcare issue and really destroyed McCain on it, this is an issue that people really care about.
 
McCain could have used it to soften his condescending statement to the second questioner. "You probably never heard of Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae, friendo." Much better.
 
[quote name='SpazX']I don't see why it would be impossible to pass a bill extending tax cuts on only some tax brackets.[/quote]

Because that's how it was passed. I guess it was a political package deal thing where they could say they're against keeping taxes low for everyone, but they forgot that they have no backbone. Because all you hear about that bill is about how it only cut taxes for the upper class, when in reality it cut taxes (and gave rebates) to all taxpayers (and even some non-taxpayers)
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Because that's how it was passed. I guess it was a political package deal thing where they could say they're against keeping taxes low for everyone, but they forgot that they have no backbone.[/quote]

Well even so, that could be allowed to expire and replaced by a bill that does whatever the hell they want.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Because that's how it was passed. I guess it was a political package deal thing where they could say they're against keeping taxes low for everyone, but they forgot that they have no backbone. Because all you hear about that bill is about how it only cut taxes for the upper class, when in reality it cut taxes (and gave rebates) to all taxpayers (and even some non-taxpayers)[/QUOTE]

But there's no reason you can't have a new bill that keeps in place the small tax cuts for the middle class while repealing the tax cuts for the upper classes.
 
IMO....Obama just needs to show up to these things. McCain seems to talk down to people and likes to get his jabs in on a regular basis. The Campaign manager for him and Palin is destroying any hope they have......I predict Obama wins handilly at this rate
 
[quote name='carpwrist']Was anyone else weirded out when Obama said, "we are going to KILL Osama Bin Laden" ?[/quote]

Admittedly, I was... I didn't think Obama had it in him to say 'Kill'. "OMG Obama said 'Kill'!" :whee:
I guess Disney movies do that to ya... ;)
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']But there's no reason you can't have a new bill that keeps in place the small tax cuts for the middle class while repealing the tax cuts for the upper classes.[/quote]

The Bush tax cuts are set to sunset in...I want to say May 2009. Meaning that everyone's taxes go up at that time. There's nothing to repeal because tax cuts aren't permanent. They're going to let the Bush tax cuts expire before doing anything.

Once you let those expire, and he goes ahead with the tax plan he promises (which, btw I don't think he'll keep), businesses (big and small) have their taxes increased TWICE in a matter of days/weeks/months) which will not bode well for our economy, even if he decides to put taxes back where they were for the middle class (which...I suspect when he looks at all this extra tax revenue coming in, he will pull a Clinton and say 'I tried, but I couldn't')
 
[quote name='carpwrist']Was anyone else weirded out when Obama said, "we are going to KILL Osama Bin Laden" ?[/quote]

Agree. He should have said "We gonna put that mothafucka in a hurt locker."
 
My friend and I just started laughing when McCain started walking around randomly. Because he made us laugh the most, I say he won the debate...for our hearts.
 
Hell I live in Florida, I can't cross any state lines... if I do I'll be in Cuba. McCain did lay his plan on the table for Healthcare, and I think that anyone who is really concerned about healthcare, Can't vote for McCain. he's criiticizing obama for regulating employers into providing healthcare for their employees (and if not then they're fined). Not forcing companies, or trusting companies is not good, this form of non regulation is what has us on the wrong track now... The only thing McCain can do now, is try to throw more dirt on Obama.
 
[quote name='freakyzeeky']I think McCain will do well in this town hall style debate, since he's pretty comfortable in this kind of a setting. Thing is, he has to be careful in how he attacks Obama tonight, since he started attacking his character this month by negatively associating him with Ayers and Rev. Wright. Most people, especially independents and undecideds, don't like it when candidates are busy mudslingling and not focusing on the issues that matter most to them. Let's not forget what happened in 1992 when the 'Ponytail Guy' asked this question to Bush/Clinton/Perot...

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMJM4GoDOXM[/media]

McCain is going to try to bring up some of these attacks tonight, but at the same time, he can't make these independents/undecideds angry for not talking about the issues. McCain has a fine line that he must walk... he needs to win big to stay alive in this race.[/QUOTE]

WTF? Why are there three candidates up there? Guh?
 
sorry i didnt put tom as a choice. i really thought about it, but i figured id stick with the candidates.

i thought that obama really shined the first 20 or 30 minutes of the debate, but mccain seemed to get better towards the middle and by the end i was so sick of the bickering and same old talking points that i really didnt care what they were saying.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']Why are the poll results still hidden?[/QUOTE]

good question. i have no idea. cant seem to edit the poll or look at the settings.
 
[quote name='galvatron2k1']Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Obama said 95% of working Americans.[/quote]

And that's why, for example, on tax policy, what I want to do is provide a middle class tax cut to 95 percent of working Americans
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Okay, he said working Americans, like you said. But, 95% of working Americans still don't pay income tax (and in the context of the debate, that's what they were talking about), so the point I made earlier is still valid.

EDIT: He actually said it later on, my bad. Here's the quote:

I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of Americans, 95 percent.
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I guess we saw different debates. I thought both candidates did well and thought the questions finally got some answers. I particularly like the question about whether health care is an X, Y, or Z.

I thought Obama did great conjuring the trip to the moon in pushing what's possible with energy. I though McCain did equally well in pointing out that there needs to be a bridge between here and there.

Yea, the talking points were thick in the air, but I thought we finally got to see some difference outside of the vague of normal (if you get my meaning). I think higher of McCain after this debate, yet somehow feel that I agree with him even less on the issues than before the debate.
 
[quote name='SteveDaWonder']McCain is who I am voting for.

Obama is just to arrogant.[/QUOTE]

if arrogance is what you are using to decide our country's future... so be it. To me McCain has NOT answered the economic issues. Has NOT figured out how to end this war and WILL NOT make us energy independent.
 
[quote name='SteveDaWonder']McCain is who I am voting for.

Obama is just to arrogant.[/quote]
Obama arrogant, ok well at least he didn't call his fellow congressman "that one". Obama's face didnt show great disgust for McCain and Obama looked like he has respect for McCain. If that makes Obama Arrogant then so be it.
 
Arrogant is code word for uppity which is a code for I'm scared to vote for him because he's "foreign" which is code word for too black. Obama has shown no more arrogance than any other candidate for President in history. Anyone remember Bob Dole basically expecting that he would be elected President because of his past service? Dukakis and his shit eating grin? Gore and Bush expecting to be elected in 2000?

EDIT -- Why did McCain keep saying that Obama wanted to invade Pakistan when all he said was that he would go in and kill UBL if Pakistan was incabable or unwilling to do so? I like that position and think we should do everything we can to hunt down and kill Usama.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']This debate sucked. It was the same talking points over and over and over and over again. Seriously, it gets old hearing the same 3 things over and over. I blame the people who picked these questions, especially the internet ones. Just terrible.[/QUOTE]

This. Their constant bickering was so repetitive, tired, and droll, I thought I was watching a promo battle between a feuding John Cena and Triple H. Yuck.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This. Their constant bickering was so repetitive, tired, and droll, I thought I was watching a promo battle between a feuding John Cena and Triple H. Yuck.[/quote]
Heh. Exactly. Although, this in my mind, makes McCain look worse because considering how badly he is doing and has done, he still repeats the same rhetoric that has gotten him nowhere.
Instead of trying to grab the grab the next rung on the ladder. He just wades in his mud puddle.


edit: I also agree with depascal22. About arrogance = not white. Obama didn't tell a guy in the audience he probably never heard of freddie mac or frannie mae.
 
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