Yeah I hadnt considered it until I was desperate for something haha
I have never heard that or seen any evidence that would lead me to believe it possibly could be.
The Rapier? A few of my friends purchased it because they wanted an upgraded scout with firefly since the only HC that can get that perk is Fatebringer. They all raved about it. I would have purchased it but I have gotten 2 scouts as drops that have Firefly as a perk. Got a Crusader 1 yesterday and already have a maxed out B-Line Trauma that has FF. Maybe I'll mess around with that when I run the raid as my Titan this week. That said I love the B-Line because it shoots faster than Multi-tool plus FF. It does have explosive rounds too but to me it seems like it negates FF some times :/
Yeah the Saterienne Rapier.
I'll trade you RNG for like 3 weeks! I'm the exact opposite. I only get primaries and hardly ever get special weapons. I get a fair amount of secondary but the game likes giving me fusion rifles more than sniper
and sniper more than shotgun (Thankfully!) 
Oh no, the ones I get are absolute garbage hahah you wouldn't want themI'll trade you RNG for like 3 weeks! I'm the exact opposite. I only get primaries and hardly ever get special weapons. I get a fair amount of secondary but the game likes giving me fusion rifles more than sniper
I would definitely say that is not true as I've done close to 30 the last week or two and not only have I never gotten an exotic, I've haven't even seen anyone else get one. I'd say that just due to the random nature, the more you run it, the more likely you are to get one. But I don't think the odds increase on a per-run basis. Hell, I've only gotten one exotic ship (which is what I'm really looking for) out of it.MattZack said:
), and some Cryptarch rank if they come in engram form. 2) You can usually pop a glimmer item and farm some glimmer from enemies. 3) The marks translate into location materials. I haven't had to farm for relic iron or helium in weeks because of this. 4) There's usually a couple of bounties you can knock out.Well, sure, the rolls are random - but there are varying odds for things and that is what people are trying to figure out. I mean, there's no doubt that the odds for Raid armor are higher on Crota than on VoG. It is still a random number that determines what you get, but the odds are significantly different for different items on different activities. And while I don't think the odds on Roc strikes change with time or number of runs, it is reasonable for someone to think that given all the variable rates on other things. Bungie claims, at least, that Crota will give you one "fun" reward if you haven't gotten one in a while so there's some tweaking there based on number of runs if we are to believe them. And if that is really the case, then, man, I am due BIG time this weekBrolyB593 said:
. That is, unless they consider my Truth and Thunderlord drops last week to be my good drops (which weren't really since I had 2 of each already).I assume you meant Legendary unless I have been totally missing something with the ships?!Hell, I've only gotten one exotic ship (which is what I'm really looking for) out of it.
There are a couple of other reasons I run them though: 1) You tend to get lots of green and blue armor which, while worthless by themselves, are at least worth some glimmer, some upgrade materials (important on your 3rd character who always tends to be short on that stuff, right Broly?
Well, sure, the rolls are random - but there are varying odds for things and that is what people are trying to figure out. I mean, there's no doubt that the odds for Raid armor are higher on Crota than on VoG. It is still a random number that determines what you get, but the odds are significantly different for different items on different activities. And while I don't think the odds on Roc strikes change with time or number of runs, it is reasonable for someone to think that given all the variable rates on other things. Bungie claims, at least, that Crota will give you one "fun" reward if you haven't gotten one in a while so there's some tweaking there based on number of runs if we are to believe them. And if that is really the case, then, man, I am due BIG time this week
Wow, you are really going to do 3 normal runs before doing hard mode on Wednesday? I know your team probably cuts through it quickly, but you might be going into raid overload mode the next 48 hours or so. lol
Yeah, legendary ship - sorryBrolyB593 said:
.I have like 60 energy and no shards and didn't want to glimmer farm (not to mention use 42 black wax idols) to convert so that's why I'm hoping I get most of what I need from the Normal runs.GLOCKGLOCK said:
Damn, same here.
15 out of 15 for me. I had to guess on the one weapon that wasn't legendary or exotic and just got lucky :lol:14 out of 15.
I may be heading a Crota run. My buddy hasn't raided with any of his 3. We may try to get a hard VoG run in and 2 Crota runs tonight before reset.
I checked and am at 566 hours...wow. I played a decent amount on 360 too and I'm sure that time isn't included in the xb1 count, but I do load up destiny on the one, check the bounties and what everyone is running without actually playing so there is a decent amount of idle time in there. It probably evens out in the end.
You might have the Patience and Time to actually snipe Phogoth, but do you even Thunderlord??
Oh (Thunder)Lordy. I've been doing it all wrong. Guess I know what gun is next up on the Exotic level up list.
Yeah I actually have been kind of 'meh' on leveling my exotics. I have every exotic (except a new Red Death and Truth, never cared to upgrade those) but each one is pretty much at its base level. I have The Last Word, Vex, Suros, Thorn, Icebreaker, Patience and Time, Gjallarhorn and Hard Light all maxed and have no desire to really level anything else up. I started Bad Juju and got it close to completion but then stopped caring because it still sucks. I started No Land Beyond and after like 20 minutes gave up on that! I never really use Machine Guns so Super Good Advice and Thunderlord just sit there and then the same goes for shotguns and fusion rifles.Oh (Thunder)Lordy. I've been doing it all wrong. Guess I know what gun is next up on the Exotic level up list.
Do you really like it??
I'm just biased because I've been using Juju + Obsidian Mind for longer than you ha.
I have no issues. Just score those headshots. I've even used it through some nightfalls. What really works nice is to pick off some of the weaker enemies to build up your super quickly and then use that super to take out the big guns. It may not be great damage-wise compared to something like the last word, but when you look at the perks it offers and can compliment your class (great for my warlock) it awesome. I still stand by combining that with obsidian mind being a great setup.
I am hoping it is because the hotfix hasn't been downloaded by everyone yet and since it is still being rolled out you can squeeze it inI'm just biased because I've been using Juju + Obsidian Mind for longer than you ha.
According to reddit you can still despawn adds during the bridge
And yeah I suppose I have not tried it with Voidwalker and Obsidian Mind like the two of you mention. I just never really use Voidwalker outside of PvP so it just seems weird to me. I will definitely give it another go now that my Obsidian Mind is maxed out.
I have my Thunderlord maxed, we should try to run Nightfall together tonight and see if we can beat 20 seconds.
I am just missing a Warlock and Hunter helmet and then the Hunter Class item.But that just leaves HoC, the Hunter helm, and the Warlock class item as the only things I haven't gotten yet (from Normal). Watch me get all those things from the Hard raid, but yet none of the primaries!
As opposed to that weakling Atheon who needed bumpers added towards the end
.Do you switch between Saint-14 and Glasshouse? If not that's something you should consider doing for hard.Interesting - I had my maxed Thunderlord with me but I didn't end up using it all that often. I used it more in the earlier part of the strike against the Knights and Wizards. Phogoth is the easiest part anyway. The hardest is when the 3 wizards with arc damage come out in that first area. If you can get past that it is pretty easy from there.
I ran it 3 times with a guy I added as a friend after running 3 Nightfalls with him randomly several weeks ago. We also did one weekly. He was doing something where he stood right inside the door of the shrieker chamber and somehow kept the shrieker from spawning on 2 of our runs. I ended up using a regular legendary sniper (with arc of course) that I got recently even though I also have P&T.
My Raid crew did Crota and we were a little sloppier than usual - doesn't bode well for tomorrow. We got all 3 runs done, but it took a little over 2 hours. All in all I got 3 Crota runs, 3 Nightfalls, and 1 Weekly don't in about 4 hours though which isn't too bad I guess.
I'm glad we did Normal before hard because I ended up getting TWO helms this time! If I had gotten those as part of the double drops during Hard I would have thought it was because of that. I also didn't realize they have variable perks. My Warlock one kind of sucks, but on my Titan one I got the increased energy from killing minions perk. Too bad I need to use Saint-14 during the Raid. But it will be useful in other places and then I can go back to Armamentarium.
I also got more energy than shards for the second week. So I will still have to convert about 30 to get my Warlock to 32. I want to use my Warlock first in Hard mode just for the bsckup self-res.
As for weapons, I ended up with a second Song of Ir Yut and a third fusion rifle. Hunger of Crota still continues to elude me after 21 Crota loot drops! The exotics were way less common last night than they were last week. I only saw a few drop for others (and I got none). But that just leaves HoC, the Hunter helm, and the Warlock class item as the only things I haven't gotten yet (from Normal). Watch me get all those things from the Hard raid, but yet none of the primaries!
Looking at the patch notes I don't like this: "•Updates on exact go-time will be given via Twitter after 10AM Pacific". So it won't be 10am, but just some random time afterwards? That will really screw with people.
Also I like that they fix some issue I've never seen before but that would benefit the players (Crota stops summoning Oversouls) and yet no fixes for disappearing swords and all the other bad glitches. We had one last night where the totems all of a sudden activated even though we were on them and killed TWO of us but not the rest.
Edit: Oh yeah, my Nightfall rewards continue to be crap: 3 legendary weapons this time. At least one of them is an Arc RL which will be useful in future Arc burn Nightfalls. The guy I was running with got a Gjallahorn...
I bought Glasshouse but have not upgraded it. What does it do for you? The only armor I switch is for my Hunter where I use Don't Touch Me for the first part but then switch back to my exotic helm to get back to 32 (since I have to use my VoG helm when I'm using Don't Touch Me and that makes me 31).
Ah, but the blindness perk of the Saint-14 is the key thing. When you cross the bridge you can pop that down on the other side and the Gatekeeper and other adds are confused/blinded and it makes that super easy for the next swordbearer to come across.It gives like a +5 sec duration buff to weapons of light etc
Ah, OK, at Crota maybe, yeah. But I'd need to have it maxed first and that's not happening any time soon. Even on Deathsinger it is nice to have the blindness perk (on all those knights).
