DiRT - Gen. Disscussion & Info. - Demo Out Now

[quote name='SynGamer']My first hands-on with the ToCA series was ToCA 3 and i loved it. While i hated the fact that people using wheels had a slight advantage, the vast amount of options from series to tuning were insane.[/QUOTE]

Still haven't picked up TOCA 3, but I loved TOCA 2.

Make it BC already!!!
 
[quote name='bobthecat23']OMFG dis game was awesome o and i might pickup rallisport for xbox since its backcompat and its 7 bucks at blockbuster this game is da bezt i will pick dis game up when it comes out but i wish ther were more cars[/quote]
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But uh...yeah, the game looks pretty awesome, from the Youtube videos, can't wait to d/l it tomorrow night.
 
It's the small details in the game that really make it shine. The environments and physics really add to the immersion and just having your side mirror on your buggy fall off is cool. Also little red arrows showing you whos behind you and where is a neat little feature as well that reminds me of F Zero. I just went racing and tried to reck or flip my car and buggy lol awesome!
 
Comparing the demo of this game vs the demo of Motorstorm... Dirt seems 10 times better than Motorstorm, does anyone else agree?
 
[quote name='oasisboy']Comparing the demo of this game vs the demo of Motorstorm... Dirt seems 10 times better than Motorstorm, does anyone else agree?[/quote]


agreed....i was arguing this with a guy i work with....he thinks the enviroments look better in motorstorm..i think he's retarded.....the vehicle models in DiRT are on par if not better than forza 2 and the environments (especially on the track you race with the mitsubishi) blow motorstorm away.....when you hit guard rails they bend in and flex.....the in car views are amazing.....when you hit a pole from the in car view and watch your hood fly off its like you are in a real car wrecking.....absolutely badass....motorstorm is decent environments with cardboard looking vehicles crashing in slow motion.....DiRT > Motorstorm
 
[quote name='Malik112099']agreed....i was arguing this with a guy i work with....he thinks the enviroments look better in motorstorm..i think he's retarded.....the vehicle models in DiRT are on par if not better than forza 2 and the environments (especially on the track you race with the mitsubishi) blow motorstorm away.....when you hit guard rails they bend in and flex.....the in car views are amazing.....when you hit a pole from the in car view and watch your hood fly off its like you are in a real car wrecking.....absolutely badass....motorstorm is decent environments with cardboard looking vehicles crashing in slow motion.....DiRT > Motorstorm[/quote]

In all fairness, both DiRT and Motorstorm each have something going for them. Motorstorm has some great physics. Anyone who denies that hasn't played the game or is blind. I had a blast destroying my vehicles in Motorstorm, but sadly, the sense of speed is definitely lacking in the game. And that was a major drawback.

DiRT, while only a demo, was a blast. The environments looked great, not amazing, but as i said, its still a demo. The physics are amazing. Flat out, its a blast destroying your vehicle in DiRT. The camera views all compliment the racing and the minor details like the guardrails bending, etc. is a nice touch. I would like to see the controls tightened up slightly, but the sense of speed was already there and it was a blast to play.

Both games go after a different market. Motorstorm = strictly arcade racing, DiRT = simulation rally racing as well as some arcade fun.
 
[quote name='Spybreak8']It's the small details in the game that really make it shine. The environments and physics really add to the immersion and just having your side mirror on your buggy fall off is cool. Also little red arrows showing you whos behind you and where is a neat little feature as well that reminds me of F Zero. I just went racing and tried to reck or flip my car and buggy lol awesome![/QUOTE]

Seriously, I'm loving the small details too. Like when I want to fuck up my car and there's no bumper, hood or fenders left, hahaha, and when you rev the car you can see the engine moving like in real life. !!!!!!!!! Man I am definitely enjoying this demo, and there's much more in the full game. Can't wait.
 
Frankly... I've played Motorstorm and yeah, it may look good, yeah, it has physics, and yeah it has crash modeling but is it original... ? No. Is it next gen? No. At least with DiRT it has some things original about it... like you say the guard rails actually moving. Bottom line Motorstorm did not deliver what Sony said it would.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Frankly... I've played Motorstorm and yeah, it may look good, yeah, it has physics, and yeah it has crash modeling but is it original... ? No. Is it next gen? No. At least with DiRT it has some things original about it... like you say the guard rails actually moving. Bottom line Motorstorm did not deliver what Sony said it would.[/quote]

Def. not disputing that. What amazed me was the originality behind DiRT's menu system. You can even move it around with the right analog stick...again, little touches are making this demo (and game) shine more and more. Granted, we have yet to see how mud and snow look, but assuming Codemasters hasn't just skipped over these with minimal effort, this game is going to be great. Sadly, i'm still holding out for Race Driver One, simply because it will likely include some of the rally racing in DiRT ;)

*Edit: Holy shit, i just noticed i've been here for a year...!
 
Sadly though... so far all the anticipated car games I've been waiting for have not delievered or at least been any where close to a hit like they were made out to be. Granted these are demos and the full games having been released but still... I'm left with waiting for the new NFS game to come out. How pathetic is that?! An EA game previously garbage coming out and blowing all these giant car games away!? geez... If that game doesn't delieve all that's left is GT5 and well... I ain't holding my breath on that one. Either way GT3 > all other car games.
 
Wow, now you guys say its better than motorstorm?

Ergh. How the heck is it fun racing in one straight line and if you go out at all it turns gray and tp's you back. And you can watch your crashes for what, 2 seconds?

Weee racing the same type of cars around a dirt track with no richness to the enviroment is awsome!

Grass field with a dirt road? I AM THERE! AWESOME!
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Wow, now you guys say its better than motorstorm?

Ergh. How the heck is it fun racing in one straight line and if you go out at all it turns gray and tp's you back. And you can watch your crashes for what, 2 seconds?

Weee racing the same type of cars around a dirt track with no richness to the enviroment is awsome!

Grass field with a dirt road? I AM THERE! AWESOME![/quote]It's that whole line of sim vs. arcade, but what DiRT does really well is have the elements of a sim with the playability of an arcade.

It's the whole issue with NBA2K7 vs. Street. Some people hate the realism and strict adherence to the rules of 2K, while others want the free-form nature of Street.

I happen to enjoy the challenges of playing something that's actually done in real life. DiRT offers the off-road racing you see on TV. MotorStorm is an exaggeration of the sport.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Wow, now you guys say its better than motorstorm?

Ergh. How the heck is it fun racing in one straight line and if you go out at all it turns gray and tp's you back. And you can watch your crashes for what, 2 seconds?

Weee racing the same type of cars around a dirt track with no richness to the enviroment is awsome!

Grass field with a dirt road? I AM THERE! AWESOME![/quote]

First, its a demo, meaning its not feature complete. Second, how much of a blind-douche are you to see that this is more of a simulation rally racer which means you shouldn't be going off-track? Honestly, did you even read about what the series is about? Its rally racing, goal is to get from point A to point B in the least amount of time. There are going to be other series included, like the CORE trucks i believe, which will see some actually side-by-side racing, and while you likely won't get to watch you crashes, it is still none-the-less fun to destroy yoru car.

To get to the point, its not your kind of racing game. We all get that, but stop bitching when we've already pointed out what the game is about. Its hit or miss, i find it a hit, you would prefer to miss it, end of discussion :twoguns:
 
On the argument of Arcade vs sim...

In this day and age I feel "arcade" is a copout and an excuse to put out garbage. Perfect example... NFS:U series.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Wow, now you guys say its better than motorstorm?[/quote] Woah, ease up there, pal. You can stop waving your flag for MotorStorm and put it down. It's all a matter of preference. You just prefer MotorStorm, most of us prefer DiRT.

Ergh. How the heck is it fun racing in one straight line and if you go out at all it turns gray and tp's you back. And you can watch your crashes for what, 2 seconds?
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Again, this isn't the type of racing that MotorStorm conveys. That is an arcadey, exaggerated take on the sport of off-road racing. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what MotorStorm is. It's a matter of preference. Arcade vs. sim. Same way people like NBA2K over NBA Street.

Nowhere have I seen an actual race take place on a plateau with ramps and obvious death traps, not to mention motorcycles vs. semis (WTF?!?) in real life. But that's ok, 'cause that's what they want to have you play. That's fun, but racing a technical race is fun to us.

Like it's been said, the whole point to rally racing is to beat the clock. It's all about staying on the course. It wouldn't make sense for you to be able to go "off-road" since you'd just be losing time (aka sucking).

This game is also not Burnout. The main attraction isn't to have spectacular crashes over and over. It's about minimizing damage and your time and getting your car to the next stage.

Weee racing the same type of cars around a dirt track with no richness to the enviroment is awsome!

Grass field with a dirt road? I AM THERE! AWESOME!
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And the Arizona desert theme in MotorStorm is richness to the environment? It all looks like the Grand Canyon to me. Isn't MotorStorm just race tracks set atop mesas and plateaus? How diverse can that be? It is quite clear you haven't played any of the other McRae games before since you get to also race in the countryside of Japan, England, Spain, and other countries. There's also different kinds of road surfaces like asphalt, dirt, and gravel on top of dry, wet and snowy conditions. Not to mention the surroundings actually do capture the countries. I've never felt stuck in the Grand Canyon with the McRae games.

Desert canyons with mud pits? I AM THERE! AWESOME!
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[quote name='SteveMcQ']Woah, ease up there, pal. You can stop waving your flag for MotorStorm anything Sony-related and put it down.
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[quote name='DarkNessBear']Wow, now you guys say its better than motorstorm?

Ergh. How the heck is it fun racing in one straight line and if you go out at all it turns gray and tp's you back. And you can watch your crashes for what, 2 seconds?

Weee racing the same type of cars around a dirt track with no richness to the enviroment is awsome!

Grass field with a dirt road? I AM THERE! AWESOME![/QUOTE]


shut up and go away, thanks!
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Woah, ease up there, pal. You can stop waving your flag for MotorStorm and put it down. It's all a matter of preference. You just prefer MotorStorm, most of us prefer DiRT.

Again, this isn't the type of racing that MotorStorm conveys. That is an arcadey, exaggerated take on the sport of off-road racing. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what MotorStorm is. It's a matter of preference. Arcade vs. sim. Same way people like NBA2K over NBA Street.

Nowhere have I seen an actual race take place on a plateau with ramps and obvious death traps, not to mention motorcycles vs. semis (WTF?!?) in real life. But that's ok, 'cause that's what they want to have you play. That's fun, but racing a technical race is fun to us.

Like it's been said, the whole point to rally racing is to beat the clock. It's all about staying on the course. It wouldn't make sense for you to be able to go "off-road" since you'd just be losing time (aka sucking).

This game is also not Burnout. The main attraction isn't to have spectacular crashes over and over. It's about minimizing damage and your time and getting your car to the next stage.

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Nice explanation. I agree with that.

Then why are people comparing it to Motorstorm?
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']If you haven't tried it already, run over the track marker rocks with the buggy.[/quote]

Yea do this when you're in cockpit view. Your whole buggy's front end goes up in the air and you can't see where the fuck your going. It's intense!
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Sadly though... so far all the anticipated car games I've been waiting for have not delievered or at least been any where close to a hit like they were made out to be. Granted these are demos and the full games having been released but still... I'm left with waiting for the new NFS game to come out. How pathetic is that?! An EA game previously garbage coming out and blowing all these giant car games away!? geez... If that game doesn't delieve all that's left is GT5 and well... I ain't holding my breath on that one. Either way GT3 > all other car games.[/quote]


NFS games are arcadey unrealistic ricer fantasies.....as for GT3....slim to no customization + no damage modeling + no online play + ride the rails around turns = greater than all other car games? I don't think so......

as for GT5 it will still prolly not have damage or online...bleh
 
The bottom line is driving. I can throw it on whenever and have a blast driving or even drifting. The graphics are still good for a how old game? But either way no other car game makes me want to play it more than GT3. As for your points... Blah blah. So what that's what next gen is suppose to have.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']NFS games are arcadey unrealistic ricer fantasies.....as for GT3....slim to no customization + no damage modeling + no online play + ride the rails around turns = greater than all other car games? I don't think so......

as for GT5 it will still prolly not have damage or online...bleh[/QUOTE]

Online=overrated.

GT4 is my favorite racer, mostly due to the DFP. Hopefully GT5 will make me get a PS3.
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']the hell does GT have to do with dirt. GT is more of a virtual museum than an actual game...or something like that[/QUOTE]

I don't even remember who brought it up.
 
As far as realism in a racer gran turismo is where it is at. Sure there is no damage and you can ride the rails, but if you race like you are supposed to then neither one of those things should be a problem, so if you play the game right GT is the most realistic.

Just wanted to say that since it was on the subject.

I am getting dirt for sure now. Still on the fence if I want forza 2 or not though, I'm not a huge racing fan so I refuse to buy 2 racing games in 2 weeks knowing that one of them is just going to sit and collect dust. But I imagine if I get into Forza it will have a longer lasting appeal.
 
[quote name='mr ryles']As far as realism in a racer gran turismo is where it is at. Sure there is no damage and you can ride the rails, but if you race like you are supposed to then neither one of those things should be a problem, so if you play the game right GT is the most realistic.[/quote]GT really does drive really nicely on your own. Throw in the DFP and you've got driving heaven, but they still don't quite have the racing AI right. They don't know what to fucking do when you've got the preferred line. They'll bump the hell out of you since it seems like they're all programmed to stick to the correct racing lines.

GT still, by far, has the best representation of production cars out there. I wish Forza had the large selection GT had. The last racer to try and give us that kind of variety was Sega GT.

As for why DiRT is being compared to MotorStorm, it's because of the dirt racing and especially with the dune buggies and damage model.
 
Can anyone else set the World Record for the CORR and rally racing events? I'm not even coming close. I was able to set the WR time for the dune buggy race at 1:07.81, but it's really tough for the other two.

My best time thus far for the CORR has been 1:08.83 and the world record is something like 1:01.00, while the rally event is something in the 2:20.00s and I'm getting 2:35.00s. Not even close.

And the throttle control doesn't seem to carry over well to the controller. What feels like 50% throttle on the controller shows as 80% in the game. I'm redlining way too much around corners and spinning my wheels.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Online=overrated.[/quote]

you're kidding, right? that is the most absurd statement you can make regarding almost ANY next gen game




so you dont play test drive unlimited online? isnt that one of the biggest features of the game? you dont play co-op on crackdown? you have never gone online on gears of war to cut another person in half? havent played GRAW online multiplayer? havent knocked someone out on fight night round 3? havent killed someone in call of duty 2? played online in tiger woods? Uno online?

your gamertag shows you have/have played these games.....so all of their online functions are overrated?
 
Theres no online in DiRT though, right? I'd also just wait for the next burnout then for sure...I never thought I'd enjoy console online gaming so much. It's actually better than PC online shooters for some games like GRAW and R6:V

But ya thinking of Forza 2...what actually killed it for me was the perception of speed or whatever. It felt like I was moving as fast as a snail at 100 MPH, and just took away one of the 2 parts I like most about racing (crazy speeds and crashes lol).
 
[quote name='Malik112099']you're kidding, right? that is the most absurd statement you can make regarding almost ANY next gen game




so you dont play test drive unlimited online? isnt that one of the biggest features of the game? you dont play co-op on crackdown? you have never gone online on gears of war to cut another person in half? havent played GRAW online multiplayer? havent knocked someone out on fight night round 3? havent killed someone in call of duty 2? played online in tiger woods? Uno online?

your gamertag shows you have/have played these games.....so all of their online functions are overrated?[/QUOTE]

It's not an absurd statement because it's my opinion. I've played Uno online, but I usually don't play multiplayer. I've never played MP on any of the other games you've mentioned. It's not important to me. Yes, all of their online functions are overrated to me. I'd rather have a longer SP portion.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']It's not an absurd statement because it's my opinion. I've played Uno online, but I usually don't play multiplayer. I've never played MP on any of the other games you've mentioned. It's not important to me. Yes, all of their online functions are overrated to me. I'd rather have a longer SP portion.[/quote]

well, you sir, are the minority....
 
[quote name='Spades22']Theres no online in DiRT though, right? I'd also just wait for the next burnout then for sure...I never thought I'd enjoy console online gaming so much. It's actually better than PC online shooters for some games like GRAW and R6:V

But ya thinking of Forza 2...what actually killed it for me was the perception of speed or whatever. It felt like I was moving as fast as a snail at 100 MPH, and just took away one of the 2 parts I like most about racing (crazy speeds and crashes lol).[/quote]

Last time i checked there WILL be online multiplayer, but in the form of posting your time against i think they said up to 99 others. Something like that. What im wondering about is the truck racing and buggy's and such. You would think that they would make it so that we can actually race each other online, side-by-side in some of the series...

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']well, you sir, are the minority....[/quote]
Unfortunately I'm in the same boat. I used to play online all the time and loved it but I've graduated from college and had to say my good byes to my T3 connection.:cry: Now I'm back in the country and I managed to plead that we get satellite internet, the only broadband option and we used to have just dial up and one phone line. I can't play Gears anymore, never get into games for Halo 2 now or GRAW, I teleport race in Burnout which is funny because they can't see me hitting their car until the last minute but it's also a two way street as I get hit by ghosts too. Anyway, Dirt will have you racing against everyone's time for the rally racing part (OXM reviewed the game), yea hillclimb and rallies are online with 99 other players' time. I focus on SP games now and that is one of the reasons why I play rally games instead of GEARS online. I visited my old roomates back at school and played GEARS online, totally got owned up as everyone had been playing for so long and were all good. The only advantage to not having human players racing side by side from you is the lag that would relate to this. I'm about 50/50 with the online features though.

OXM also explains "Codemasters is well aware that no one will be pleased by the absence of traditional, more PGR-like multiplayer, explaining that it instead chose to focus on graphics and handling this time and will add the multiplayer beef in Dirt 2."

Oh man the first game isn't even out yet and I'm looking forward to the sequal hahaha.
 
holy shit I was just racing as the buggy and somehow I hit one of the white tire markers from some sort of angle that made my buggy flip sideways 10 times or so.....WOW!!!!!
 
Well as far as the world record times go, do you think that the higher the difficulty you select, the faster you can go? Is there a speed restriction on the lower difficulty levels?
 
[quote name='richierich']Well as far as the world record times go, do you think that the higher the difficulty you select, the faster you can go? Is there a speed restriction on the lower difficulty levels?[/quote]

I would imagine the difficulty is either based on the AI or a combination of the AI and perhaps the cars handling? Perhaps there are some assists on Easy, where as no aids on Hard?
 
Just played the dune buggy one a bit more and it was actually pretty fun xD. I did a front flip and landed right on my wheels and still remained in 2nd place...annd taking the cockpit view in the dune buggy then hitting a rock causing you to flip all over in the air looks nuts :p
 
One thing though... wtf were they thinking not including a replay function on the demo...? It's decisions like this that makes me wonder what they are trying to accomplish with a demo. They do realize they arn't for shooting themselves in the foot right...?
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']It's decisions like this that makes me wonder what they are trying to accomplish with a demo. They do realize they arn't for shooting themselves in the foot right...?[/quote]Probably aiming for what about 90% of us in here are saying: "This game is fucking awesome!" While I do think a replay would've been nice, I wouldn't go so far to say that not having a replay function in the demo is a deal breaker in getting someone to buy the game. Unless a game is completely broken, if you've got good gameplay, people will buy it and you'll get word of mouth advertising. Most people are aware that demos are a small sampling of what the full game has to offer.
 
Just to make sure though, this game won't have online multiplayer right? Or is it a different racer I'm thinking of...
 
NEWS UPDATE, PREORDER INFO

"Burbank, CA – Tuesday, May 29, 2007 – As Codemasters’ highly anticipated racing game DiRT speeds towards retailers next month, the company today announced a pre-order program for fans of the series. Beginning today through DiRT’s June launch, consumers who pre-order the game at retailers nationwide, including Amazon.com, BestBuy.com, GameStop/EB and GameCrazy, will receive an exclusive access code that unlocks 10 cars in the game, as well as grants access to exclusive videos of off-road racing star Travis Pastrana. Once consumers pre-order DiRT, they will obtain a unique code and instructions on how to unlock the car pack and videos upon receiving the game. Cars included in the pack are the Subaru Impreza WRX-RA STI version II, Toyota Celica GT-FOUR, Peugeot 205 T16, Lancia Delta S4, Icker Jimco buggy, McMillin Racing Car, Kamaz 4911, MAN TGA, Freightliner Century Class S/T and the Kenworth T2000." via TeamXbox http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/13603/Codemasters-Announces-PreOrder-Program-for-DiRT/

Now I don't know about this. They say that the extra content will be unlocked, so it's already on the disk. There's no mention of a different price for this and I'm wondering how they are going to keep people simply from sharing the code. I was going to get this game, however I was going to wait till it drops to ~ $40. Is anyone going to jump on this? What do you guys think of this preorder prom???
 
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