Do PC ports of 360 "exclusives" change your attitude towards the 360?

with 400 i can build a monster. its very possible

edit- maybe monster was overboard, but definitely something very decent that is upgradeable.
 
[quote name='dallow']There's a guy on GAF who built a $400 PC and it can play Crysis on medium.
More than enough for every other game out there.

Using a 360 controller (cause kb/m sucks) is icing on the cake.[/quote]

Okay, but then in 1 to 1.5 years that computer will be outdated, especially since it was made using cheaper, lower end parts (unless he reused parts from other computers he had, which would be CHEATING.)
 
[quote name='help1']Okay, but then in 1 to 1.5 years that computer will be outdated, especially since it was made using cheaper, lower end parts (unless he reused parts from other computers he had, which would be CHEATING.)[/quote]I guess the only cheating he did was using his old HDD.

And no, it won't be that outdated.
By then you won't have to upgrade as much, maybe the hottest videocard available in 6 months, because in 1.5 years, it'll be cheap.
 
Cheap is relative.

The price of the hottest card is more expensive than a Wii or 360.

And that's just one component.
 
That's why I'm saying, in 1.5 years, that hot card won't cost that much.
Since it'll be a little old, but you'd still be able to play most new games at medium to high settings, and older games at ultra high.
 
The videocard that guy bought was $140 and he can play Crysis at medium (barely high), and Bioshock, CoD4, and UTIII at max settings.

They really do look a lot better than console versions, I was surprised.
 
Ppl take note.

If you properly plan your purchase then you can have something to last your for a while. Typically though (atleast what im told in class) is that consumers should expect their new pc to last around 2 years. Gone are the make your pc last for x years.

1. Do some research. Most critical part of your pc is the motherboard and what socket is uses. LGA 775 seems to be here for a while so its a safe bet. With that being said you can always upgrade later on to a better cpu if needed.

My aging 939 system can still woop some ass. I must have upgraded cpu atleast two times in the last 3 years.

w.e this is getting ot
 
[quote name='dallow']That's why I'm saying, in 1.5 years, that hot card won't cost that much.
Since it'll be a little old, but you'd still be able to play most games at medium to high settings, and older games at ultra high.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but you'll also be playing 1.5 year old games. Doubtful you would want to play 2010 games on a 2008 system.

If you want to stay a generation behind you could just pick up a PS2 for $100 now and buy $2-3 games.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']Ppl take note.

If you properly plan your purchase then you can have something to last your for a while. Typically though (atleast what im told in class) is that consumers should expect their new pc to last around 2 years. Gone are the make your pc last for x years.

1. Do some research. Most critical part of your pc is the motherboard and what socket is uses. LGA 775 seems to be here for a while so its a safe bet. With that being said you can always upgrade later on to a better cpu if needed.

My aging 939 system can still woop some ass. I must have upgraded cpu atleast two times in the last 3 years.[/QUOTE]

Now you have to worry about you mobo running new CPUs.

I just bought my mobo and Core 2 Duo last year.

I don't think it is compatible with new Duo CPUs that use the smaller technology.
 
for me the ports to PC rock means I get to play some games I want to without having to buy another console - I tend to keep my PC somewhat up to date anyway. The big thing for me is the bioware games, I seriously thought about getting a xbox for KOTOR I & II but then I read they would eventually make their was to the PC which was perfect so I waited and played through some of my massive backlog.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']1. Do some research. Most critical part of your pc is the motherboard and what socket is uses. LGA 775 seems to be here for a while so its a safe bet. With that being said you can always upgrade later on to a better cpu if needed...[/quote]

What stopped my PC upgrading was that they seemed to switch every standard (CPU, memory, video card, etc) all at once. I'm sure it was stretched over a longer time than I perceived it, but the move to new sockets, PCI-E, and DDR2 felt like it happened at the same time. So instead of being able to buy one new component I was stuck starting from scratch.

I should have gotten that AsRock board that had both PCI-E and AGP, and had a riser card to move from 939 to AM2. If I had done that I'd probably still be doing the annual $200 PC upgrade.

Of course, staying away from PC gaming keeps me away from MMORPGs, which is a good thing for my marriage :D
 
[quote name='dallow']There's a guy on GAF who built a $400 PC and it can play Crysis on medium.
More than enough for every other game out there.

Using a 360 controller (cause kb/m sucks) is icing on the cake.[/quote]

There's a guy down my street that can turn water into wine.

What are the specs of this mystical PC? And where should I buy the components to make it?
 
edit: beaten!

[quote name='yukine']There's a guy down my street that can turn water into wine.

What are the specs of this mystical PC? And where should I buy the components to make it?[/QUOTE]


So what did I get for 399?
AMD X2 5000+ (99$)
2GB DDR2 800 (39$)
ATI Radeon 3850 256 MB (140$)
Motherboard (50$)
Casing+PSU (50$)
DVD ROM (20$)
(used old HDD with XP, everyone has one right?)
Click to expand...

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not sure where he bought them (he's in euroland) and it also needs a monitor. Not too shabby.
 
I haven't read anything other than the first post, but...

I am definitely selling my Xbox 360 once it gets back from repairs. Sure, my PC won't look as good as 360, but it will still look pretty enough for me to play. I figure Fable 2 will come to PC too. There is nothing exclusive for 360 that I really care about anymore. I do have one backup 360 I fixed, but that is sure to crap out for another reason than RROD with the way things are going. Mass Effect is awesome and I can't wait to replay it again on PC.
 
my computer is an athlon 64 X2, 3800 overclocked with 3GB's of Ram, if I dropped a decent graphics card in ti, I could play games on it pretty easily, but i'd rather not.

I haven't been a PC gamer in a long time, I think because I spend so much time at a computer during work I don't want to be in a chair playing games, I'd rather kick back in a chair and play on my 37" screen than my 19" one, lol
 
[quote name='zewone']Now you have to worry about you mobo running new CPUs.

I just bought my mobo and Core 2 Duo last year.

I don't think it is compatible with new Duo CPUs that use the smaller technology.[/quote]

Not to mention that your mobo wont have any more slots for ram and will be using an outdated video card slot, so you will need a new mobo, new ram and a new video card.

Even at its cheapest, PC gaming means:
1. Constantly paying more money.
2. Insecurity ("How long will this one last?")
3. Online gaming has more cheating than consoles.
4. Not a level playing field - One guy can have an uber computer and an awesome kb/m and tear it up online while you are struggling to maintain 30 fps at standstill.

Not to mention less money allows you to play LESS games. Sure mods are great, but I rather have money to play new full-fledged games over some of the mods that are being out these days.

[quote name='Apossum']
not sure where he bought them (he's in euroland) and it also needs a monitor. Not too shabby.[/quote]

Monitor doesn't count since it is the "TV" in the console terms. However, you and I both know that setup isn't going to last. The last video card that had a great run was the ATI Radeon 9800 pro. That card was dominant for a while.

[quote name='Drnick']my computer is an athlon 64 X2, 3800 overclocked with 3GB's of Ram, if I dropped a decent graphics card in ti, I could play games on it pretty easily, but i'd rather not.

I haven't been a PC gamer in a long time, I think because I spend so much time at a computer during work I don't want to be in a chair playing games, I'd rather kick back in a chair and play on my 37" screen than my 19" one, lol[/quote]

Depending on the graphics card, you could be bottlenecking that 3800.

As for the kicking back in a chair and enjoying a big screen, amen to that brother.
 
some interesting points made in this thread

not everyone's computer setup is created equal.. on a console everyone is playing on the "same" equipment whereas computer gamers are always on different "consoles" so everyone gets a different experience whereas on a 360 you are always playing against people who have the same equipment as you.. makes a huge difference when you think about it.

the "best" graphic card now won't be the best graphic card a year from now .. my xbox 360 will always play at its optimal settings whether its this year or next year I don't have to worry about games looking "any worse" then they do now.. lord knows no one wants to play any kind of graphical game on an outdated video card.

to have a long lasting computer set up you need at least the following:

a super high end graphics card now (as this will more likely be used longer and some people run TWO or more graphics cards on multiple core processors)

HD audio/video outputs (just like on a console these days)

a super high end processor ( as these too will last longer then what people would typically use if you want to use the PC in the long haul)

a motherboard that is capable of expanding the furtherest (you're probably going to end up spending a lot of money here as well.. again we're not talking about "cheapest" or "what you need right now" we're talking 2 years from now when you want to play the super cool PS3 or 360 port over) this also needs ram slots that are fully upgradable for future products

DDR3 RAM which is way pricy now but will be way cheap next year.

not to mention a case/cooling system and other peripherals..

you can easily spend 500 alone on graphics cards even from the "newegg" places. not to mention processors and motherboard easily add up to 300


to get a decent "base" system that you think will last the lifespan of the consoles you got to figure you're spending at least double straight up just to outlast the console life cycle..

compare that to the price tag of the 360.. yeah the games look pretty they damn well better for what you have to drop on the PC.


and like someone else said in the thread already... then 2 years later you have to can it and start over..
 
I think the people that are saying the PC will need upgraded and the 360 won't are missing something. Right now, a decent PC can outperform a 360. In 3 years that PC will still outperform the 360. Sure the newest PC games will be more demanding, but if you look at it through the 360's library you're going to be playing games ported from the 360 or on lower settings, like the 360.

I think the extra cost of a PC can be excused since it can be used for other things. But that's my opinion. Right now I have both. Even though I perfer my PC, I still spend more time on the 360. Don't ask me why.
 
I'm not even a PC gamer, at all. ::hugs console::

But some of you guys just don't get it.
Even I have the sense to know that it's not a pain in a neck and worrisome platform.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']bottom line they go hand and hand...

if your a gamer chances are you are a little interested in pc gaming. Its not even that expensive to build a decent rig so throw price out the door.

Now if you have an old win 98 (or mac :) )machine or something you should just shoot yourself[/QUOTE]
In case you hadn't heard, Macs can run Windows (and often do a better job than "PC"s).
 
[quote name='zewone']PC doesn't see nearly as many games as consoles.

Where are the ICOs, Persona 3s, and the SotCs?[/quote]

Yeah, that's my main personal problem with the PC market. Nearly all PC games fall into one of four categories: first person shooter, real time strategy, massive multiplayer online, or sim, of which the latter three do not appeal to me at all. I need more comedic point-and-click adventures in my life.
 
[quote name='zewone']Cheap is relative.[/QUOTE]

LOL.

Personally, I've always owned Macs, save for one mistaken foray into a Dell laptop. So, for the record, "computer games" is an idea I'm completely unfamiliar with. ;)

I'm a console gamer because I like to know games will operate uniformly on my system. I can run any 360 title with no concern for RAM, virtual memory, installation, updates and patches, resolution, frame rate, etc. It's a peculiar argument, I suppose (the other side of the "I don't care for resolution" argument is "well, the low-end resolution on the PC is what you get on the 360," though I don't know the truth of that). But, simply, I want to put a disc in the console and play the fuckin' thing the way it was meant to be played.

Actually, I must confess. I did own a copy of "Reader Rabbit" on an Apple IIGS two decades ago.
 
[quote name='zewone']PC doesn't see nearly as many games as consoles.

Where are the ICOs, Persona 3s, and the SotCs?[/quote]That's why the PC would never be my main source of entertainment.
 
[quote name='Filbert']
I think the extra cost of a PC can be excused since it can be used for other things. But that's my opinion. Right now I have both. Even though I perfer my PC, I still spend more time on the 360. Don't ask me why.[/quote]

That (like everything else) is dependent on your situation.

College was the peak of my PC gaming and PC hardware buying. A lot of that had to do with the dual use of my PC for gaming but also engineering work. More RAM and a faster processor cut down the time I needed to run ANSYS sims - better framerates in Quake II was bonus. I needed a decent OpenGL 3D card to run I-DEAS - again, better framerates were bonus.

Now my PC gets used for e-mail, iTunes, and personal finances. Throwing money at it for gaming would be that and that alone. Nothing else I need my PC for requires any upgrading.
 
[quote name='Filbert']It actually makes me kind of sad that I ever bought a 360. Sure I like it and all. But if these games came out on the 360 and PC within weeks instead of months I would have never put so much money into a console.

(edit)Also. I bought an 8800GT a week before I got my 360. So right off the bat I was disappointed at the visuals and performance of the 360 when compared to my PC.[/quote]

This point is completely seconded in myself. I got a 360 so I could play GOW because it was supposed to be a "360 exclusive." Fortunately I got my 360 for free from those freexboxblahblah.com sites otherwise I would be furious (even more so than I am right now that they get more content in Gears Of War than I do, yet I spent 60 bucks on the game) that GOW came out on PC and I could have just played it like that.
 
[quote name='help1']



Monitor doesn't count since it is the "TV" in the console terms. However, you and I both know that setup isn't going to last. The last video card that had a great run was the ATI Radeon 9800 pro. That card was dominant for a while.
[/QUOTE]


Is he going to be running new games on decent settings? No. But if he's running Crysis and Bioshock well, then he has a lot of recent good games to play (well, basically everything that has come out up to now.) Not sure how the high profile games that'll release this year will fare. Anyway, that's also why I think the whole experiment is kind pointless--to anyone who wants a PC that'll last, the hot $400 rig is not convincing.

If you're going to get a PC, might as well future proof it a bit. I think the notion of the pure gaming PC is crazy--may as well make it your main PC that you do everything on. Presented as a main PC that can run kick ass games, act a nice media center, and a workstation--it becomes a lot more sensible.

Unless, of course, you're rich and can afford to have a couple PCs. ;)
 
Nope. I'm happy to know that the game will always run fine on the 360. The Halo PC port ran like crap and I had a PC that had much better hardware than the Xbox. Plus the PC guys have to wait so it kind of seems like they are just getting shafted for a period of time.
 
[quote name='prence']This point is completely seconded in myself. I got a 360 so I could play GOW because it was supposed to be a "360 exclusive." Fortunately I got my 360 for free from those freexboxblahblah.com sites otherwise I would be furious (even more so than I am right now that they get more content in Gears Of War than I do, yet I spent 60 bucks on the game) that GOW came out on PC and I could have just played it like that.[/quote]

Actually, I've heard that GoW runs kind of sluggish on the PC. It wasn't really optimized enough to run as efficiently on the PC. The extra content is really the only thing that makes the PC version worth buying at all.
 
I like both, bought a decent pc last year for $1200, first new pc in over 2 years, and am happy with it. It's not the latest nor greatest, but it plays most everything really well. I and my girl also enjoy some of the simple, layed back games on pc(from Bigfish, etc..).
I also really enjoy my 360, it plays games I enjoy on my 51' TV, and again, other simpler games from XBOX live arcade. When it comes to ports from 360 to pc, I usually will get the pc version for the better graphics, but not always.
 
[quote name='PrarieD0G']Actually, I've heard that GoW runs kind of sluggish on the PC. It wasn't really optimized enough to run as efficiently on the PC. The extra content is really the only thing that makes the PC version worth buying at all.[/quote]

I've heard that too but I've also heard that if your system is good enough, you can max all the settings and it will look better than it did on 360 :\ Not that I care about the looks as much as I do the gameplay (and extra content im missing out on.)
 
I was a 90-95% exclusive PC gamer from the time period b/w the SNES and XBOX 360.

Now, it's more 75% Xbox 360, 25% PC. The main reasons for the switch:

*PC ports were becoming unoptimized afterthoughts that required high-end hardware. I didn't feel like spending $250-$450 for a new vid card annually. I build my own PCs and didn't have time to keep up with hardware developments, etc.
*In the 360, I just pop a game in and it works w/o configuration. On the PC, I would often spend 30 min to 2 hrs installing and the configuring optimal video settings/gamepad mapping/etc.
*I'm too busy in real life to keep up with driver updates/patches manually on the PC, or to fight with retarded copy protection schemes.

In theory, you can get better graphics on a PC version, but it will cost a lot in terms of $ and time. I still don't like the fact that my 360 sounds like a vacuum cleaner, but...
 
I only buy first person shooters on the PC. Other then that its on the 360, ps3 or wii in that order. Bad thing is I just got COD4 for the PC and it runs great on my 3 year old pc but all I have done is multiplayer and would rather have that on the 360. Sucks that I can't play people on the 360 on my PC. I would gladly buy a multiplayer only version for the 360 and think that M$ needs to start puting that in the PC version of the game. I would pay an extra 10 or 20 bucks for that.
 
Exclusivity was never an important thing for me and I don't see why it should be to anyone else. With dual analog, I am just as comfortable with console FPS as I am PC.

The only argument I could agree with is if the PC version of a game that has features/content not found in the console.
 
I'll tell you right now. Sometimes I just can't stand the graphics on 360 games. The textures are often much lower resolution, and the resolution itself is too low (and stretched since I play on a 16:10 monitor. I never thought I cared about graphics that much until I played Crysis on my PC and then switched to Mass Effect on my 360. (Of course in that case the horrible texture pop-in, whether it's fixed in the PC version or not, was really awful.)
 
Another thing I do not like is that some times it seems that the PC game is a bad port of the 360. Atleast whe it comes to controls. Like bioshock some of the keys seem out of place and it seems that way with cod4 on the pc also. could just be me though.
 
[quote name='prence']I've heard that too but I've also heard that if your system is good enough, you can max all the settings and it will look better than it did on 360 :\ Not that I care about the looks as much as I do the gameplay (and extra content im missing out on.)[/quote]

Hmmm.... didn't know that about the graphics. I doubt my 7900GS would be able to produce better graphics than the 360... or would it?

edit: Ugh, no matter. A lot of bad reviews on Amazon about the bugginess of the game. Seems to be very hit or miss; I'll stick with the 360 version.
http://www.amazon.com/review/produc...coding=UTF8&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
 
[quote name='PrarieD0G']Hmmm.... didn't know that about the graphics. I doubt my 7900GS would be able to produce better graphics than the 360... or would it?[/quote]
Not really. The 360 contains some features of DX10. Your card doesn't contain any.

I am ok with PC ports of exclusive 360 games, and here is why:

Developers spend a massive amount of money on a retail nextgen title. It's a huge risk. And unless they are getting super high subsidies from Sony or Microsoft, they have no choice but to expand it to as many platforms as possible to recoup cost and make money.

I actually feel that developers can be more attracted to the 360, knowing that Microsoft is more lenient about PC versions. It means more potential money.
 
Personally, other than games like RollerCoaster Tycoon and RTSes, I have no desire to play games on my PC (even though it too is hooked up to my 52" HDTV). I spent less than 400 bucks for the 360. To make my PC "BioShock-worthy", I'd almost have to spend twice that! Not only that, but I couldnt care less that games come out on other systems. I'm happy with the 360 (failure rates aside), and I'm happy with the games that I can play on it. PCs getting ports (or vice versa) doesnt affect me one bit.
 
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