Do you believe in abortion?

[quote name='alonzomourning23']God is the ultimate "do as I say, not as I do". Of course, the main reason for that is nature is so unpredictable, so there's no way your god is going to live up to the code it set for you.[/QUOTE]

God should have made nature more predictable. This seems like it would all be so much easier if God got off his keester, and just DID something about it. I guess god is lazy, another mark off his perfectness.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']God should have made nature more predictable. This seems like it would all be so much easier if God got off his keester, and just DID something about it. I guess god is lazy, another mark off his perfectness.[/QUOTE]

Unless of course god made nature difficult to test us, in which case he's a perfectly sick fuck.
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']But GOD told adam and eve not to eat from the tree and they didnt listen ( with the help of satan / the root to all wickedness ) , so we have to deal with whatever they did until GOD is ready to end what is bad. Thats why we are awaiting the day of the messiah, the son of GOD. When GOD is ready to send his son back , then armageddon will happen.

Now on another note, which is also in connection with people wondering why the end is taking so long. When i say end, i'm just talking about the end of wickedness, suffering etc ( Revelation chapter 21 verse 4)

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Swiss, Geneva, Sans Serif]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, Swiss, Geneva, Sans Serif]

So yea, the end is coming. But once you get a better understanding of this world and the things that are written down, nothing should really bother you or you wouldnt ask questions about nothing.

[/font][/QUOTE]but God created satan, so God would be the source of all wickedness. satan just gets blamed...
 
[quote name='triforcer']but God created satan, so God would be the source of all wickedness. satan just gets blamed...[/QUOTE]

Yes, the problem of the existence of evil is a difficult one for the un-believers. If you would just have faith, then everything would be fine, until the end of the world, of course, when you'll be plucked from your grave by a hate-filled murderous god who will destroy Satan and the wicked when he sends his son to earth to exact revenge for all evil.

Wait, didn't Jesus die for all our sins? Didn't he erase 'original sin' by dying on the cross? Didn't that take away the evilness in men for all eternity? Didn't god already send him here 2000 years ago to change the world? Well, it didn't work then, did it? Another example of an imperfect god creating an imperfect being and an incomplete solution, I guess.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the flood thing. He erased existence again and saved the righteous and a bunch of animals on an ark to seed the new world. Guess that didn't work either since everything is still fucked up. That whole first born son massacre and passover didn't do much for redeeming humanity either, eh? It seems that God really doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, or just can't seem to get it right. So much for perfection.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']It would seem to me that if god can hold a grudge for so long, he's less than perfect. Anyways, doesn't Jesus preach forgiveness? If Jesus tells everyone to forgive, why doesn't god follow his son's advice? It would seem that if Jesus is telling everyone what is good and proper, God would be one of the spearheads of good and proper-ism.[/QUOTE]

Women who agree with abortion and do it, they are already forgiven. But what they did is wrong, but yes they are forgiven. We all will be hold accountable for all of our actions, so i guess the best to do is to change our ways.

Thats what this scipture is talking about:

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Swiss, Geneva, Sans Serif]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance..

[/font]I'm just sitting back waiting!
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[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t'][font=Arial, Helvetica, Swiss, Geneva, Sans Serif]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.[/font][/QUOTE]

I don't quite get what this passage says.

"The lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness".

Which Promise? Some people are keeping track and counting how slack god is doing? You'd think if they're addressing god's slackness IN the bible that they're being quite defensive, no?

"but is longsuffering to us-ward"
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That just makes no sense. Guess all the King's horses and all the King's men, couldn't put greek together again.

"not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Seems like a word is missing there. Or, take out "willing" and it makes a little more sense. Of course, then it sounds like it's saying that people will die unless they repent. However, people die all the time. Does that mean that no one has repented?

I'm sorry, but your passage is total crap. Choose one that makes sense.
 
Hell yea. Its peoples own choice if they want to have an abortion or not. Just like its parents own choice if they want their kids buying M video games. The government butts in too much.
 
[quote name='trytej']Hell yea. Its peoples own choice if they want to have an abortion or not. Just like its parents own choice if they want their kids buying M video games. The government butts in too much.[/QUOTE]

Blame FDR for passing the New Deal it socialized everything.
 
I have to say that i believe in abortion. Its only a zygote not a actual living fetus. I'd rather that if a person doesn't want to have a baby, they get rid of it in the beginning, then wait until they the baby and throw it out the window or abandon it in the bathroom of a fastfood resturant. Let's face it. Not everyone's ment to be a parent.
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']i do it w/out a condom all the time

it's worked out great for me

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Getting the girl pregnant is the least of your worries. Remember there's diseases too...
 
[quote name='Starwishi']Getting the girl pregnant is the least of your worries. Remember there's diseases too...[/QUOTE]

Diseases that kick and scream all night?;)
 
[quote name='Starwishi']I have to say that i believe in abortion. Its only a zygote not a actual living fetus. I'd rather that if a person doesn't want to have a baby, they get rid of it in the beginning, then wait until they the baby and throw it out the window or abandon it in the bathroom of a fastfood resturant. Let's face it. Not everyone's ment to be a parent.[/QUOTE]

Why would the christian god give women vaginas if he didnt want them all to be mommies?
 
[quote name='camoor']Why would the christian god give women vaginas if he didnt want them all to be mommies?[/QUOTE]

Clearly because they needed something to be ashamed of.;)
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']Christian GOD hahahaha, no such thing yall. So please stop saying it.[/QUOTE]

GOD hahahaha, no such thing yall. So please stop saying it.
 
Actually i was just saying the word christian GOD is not located in none of the bibles. People seem to only use that term to separate thierself from people or other faiths / religions, but in reality there is only one GOD, and that is GOD the Father, the almighty, the creator of this world. When people say there is this christian GOD, they make it sound like there is another GOD, but again they are wrong, because only one GOD exist.
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']Actually i was just saying the word christian GOD is not located in none of the bibles. People seem to only use that term to separate thierself from people or other faiths / religions, but in reality there is only one GOD, and that is GOD the Father, the almighty, the creator of this world. When people say there is this christian GOD, they make it sound like there is another GOD, but again they are wrong, because only one GOD exist.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I know what you were saying. I'm saying that the concept of a god is inherently bunk.
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']Actually i was just saying the word christian GOD is not located in none of the bibles. People seem to only use that term to separate thierself from people or other faiths / religions, but in reality there is only one GOD, and that is GOD the Father, the almighty, the creator of this world. When people say there is this christian GOD, they make it sound like there is another GOD, but again they are wrong, because only one GOD exist.[/QUOTE]
Hilarious! How do people like this even function?!
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']Actually i was just saying the word christian GOD is not located in none of the bibles. People seem to only use that term to separate thierself from people or other faiths / religions, but in reality there is only one GOD, and that is GOD the Father, the almighty, the creator of this world. When people say there is this christian GOD, they make it sound like there is another GOD, but again they are wrong, because only one GOD exist.[/QUOTE]

God doesn't exist and never did. It's all a figment of your imagination.
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']Christian GOD hahahaha, no such thing yall. So please stop saying it.[/QUOTE]

There is none like thee among the gods, O Lord, nor are there any works like thine.
Psalms 86:8 RSV
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I agree there is no Christian GOD, there is only a christian god.

Are you saying that your bible lies?
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']Prove it.[/QUOTE]

It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist, but possible to prove something does exist. Considering no one has proved that god exists in 2000 years, it seems quite plausible to assume that god does, in fact, NOT exist.
 
[quote name='Starwishi']Getting the girl pregnant is the least of your worries. Remember there's diseases too...[/QUOTE]

i just ask Jesus to protect me from disease... and he does!!!

he's a pretty awesome guy

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I believe in abortion................but Harriet Miers doesn't, according to a yahoo news update I just got. shocking.
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']Prove it.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='capitalist_mao']It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist, but possible to prove something does exist. Considering no one has proved that god exists in 2000 years, it seems quite plausible to assume that god does, in fact, NOT exist.[/QUOTE]

Mao is right. It's something called Burden of Proof, and it rests entirely on the side of proving god exists.
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']Actually i was just saying the word christian GOD is not located in none of the bibles. People seem to only use that term to separate thierself from people or other faiths / religions, but in reality there is only one GOD, and that is GOD the Father, the almighty, the creator of this world. When people say there is this christian GOD, they make it sound like there is another GOD, but again they are wrong, because only one GOD exist.[/QUOTE]

You could never have a conversation with a hindu.......
 
Religion served it's intended purpose. It was to create a civilized society. Now that we have matured (some would question this) we can stand on our own feet without the fear of a mythical being that will cast us into hell if we do not act civilly. End of Story.

I'm all for MORE abortions. Too many people who should not be havin kids are, and just look at what India/China looks like, to say nothing about how even in the US the poor areas have kids that look like they live in Africa...
 
[quote name='Lister']Religion served it's intended purpose. It was to create a civilized society. Now that we have matured (some would question this) we can stand on our own feet without the fear of a mythical being that will cast us into hell if we do not act civilly. End of Story.
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Elements of religion have been found with other human species, such as neanderthals. It's unlikely to be an attempt at civilized society, it would then have to be a conscious act and a complete fraud perpetrated by every society on this earth, including some pre homosapien humans.

To a society cut off from all scientific knowledge, there is evidence of miracles and god(s)/goddess(es) everywhere. Lightning, rain, earthquakes, the sun, the moon etc., are mysteries that can only explained by the supernatural. Religion made sense of the natural world.

Religion is necessary. It gives people meaning and hope. Statistically, it is correlated with increased happiness and emotional well being. To suggest that the world could, or should, do without is no better than religious people insisting that everyone should adopt their religious beliefs. That's essentially what your saying.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist, but possible to prove something does exist. Considering no one has proved that god exists in 2000 years, it seems quite plausible to assume that god does, in fact, NOT exist.[/QUOTE]

So, because we have never found intelligent life outside our galaxy it does not exist? Your theory is flawed and God does exist. Who else could of made the stuff that made the big bang? It was always there? I doubt it...
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']So, because we have never found intelligent life outside our galaxy it does not exist? Your theory is flawed and God does exist. Who else could of made the stuff that made the big bang? It was always there? I doubt it...[/QUOTE]

Well, God and church have proclaimed that Earth is the center of the Universe and that we are his children for thousands of years (all the way back to the Jews). That being said, we can make the logical conclusion that if we are to believe a God exists, he would have some hand in creating and guiding us...especially since the bible says so. However, there is NO evidence to show us that a god or gods are moving us around, which is why a religion is also called a "faith". You just have to believe that a god or gods exist, despite a lack of hard evidence. In fact, there's been tons of hard evidence that contradicts religion.

Now, arguing aliens isn't the same thing, since einsteinian physics talks of faster than light speed being impossible. The distances between stars and planets makes interplanetary travel exceedingly difficult, let alone interstellar travel.

Anyways, not many tools are at our disposal, however, people have been actively searching for a glimpse of a god for many milennia. We've only actively been search for aliens for less than a century.

The logical assumption that god does not exist is due to circumstance. We don't feel that lightning is the wrath of god anymore. As science has increased 10 fold...100 fold, sighting of god have decreased 1000 fold and religion hinges on faith.

[quote name='alonzomourning23']Religion is necessary. It gives people meaning and hope. Statistically, it is correlated with increased happiness and emotional well being. To suggest that the world could, or should, do without is no better than religious people insisting that everyone should adopt their religious beliefs. That's essentially what your saying.[/QUOTE]

Depends on where they get that happiness and emotional well being. If it's happiness because they just slaughtered a bunch of heretics, infidels or non-believers, I'd be inclined to believe that the world would be better off without their emotional well being and happiness.
 
God doesn't make understanding what caused the big bang any easier. All it does is allow you to explain one more thing while creating another, equally important mystery. How did the big bang occur is the same as asking what created god. And saying god was always there is the same argument that can be prevented for the original matter.



[quote name='the3rdkey']So, because we have never found intelligent life outside our galaxy it does not exist? Your theory is flawed and God does exist. Who else could of made the stuff that made the big bang? It was always there? I doubt it...[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Religion is necessary. It gives people meaning and hope. Statistically, it is correlated with increased happiness and emotional well being. To suggest that the world could, or should, do without is no better than religious people insisting that everyone should adopt their religious beliefs. That's essentially what your saying.[/QUOTE]
Correlation does not imply causation, it just shows if two variables are related in any way (and if so, how strong that relationship is). You don't know if religion causes happyness, if happyness causes religion, or if there is a 3rd seperate entity that causes both (or many seperate entities). You could easily say that people with lower intelligence are statistically more probable to be more happy and religious than a person of higher intelligence.

Religion is necessary? Maybe, but it depends on what you mean. If you acknowledge that most of the people alive today aren't really destined to do anything big (you could call them "filler"), then yeah sure, religion helps them. Att the personal level, if all you have in life is a retail job and a crappy apartment, then it would be much more beneficial to be religious than not. You could look at it as a coping mechanism for the people who "aren't important" (which could be seen as subjective. Don't get me wrong, I realize that there are other factors (like family history, guilt, etc).

At the societal (big picture) standpoint however, religion most certainly isn't necessary.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']At the societal (big picture) standpoint however, religion most certainly isn't necessary.[/QUOTE]

and, in many cases, quite detrimental.
 
Correlation does not imply causation,
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I know that, I used the word intentionally.

You could easily say that people with lower intelligence are statistically more probable to be more happy and religious than a person of higher intelligence.
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Statistically, intelligence does not significantly influence happiness. The only exception is extreme geniuses.

But religion is necessary because it gives people a sense of security, purpose, and greater understanding of the world around them. Whether it is accurate, or whether it actually benefits society, is a seperate issue.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']However, there is NO evidence to show us that a god or gods are moving us around.
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Actually you are also evidence, human beings. And our body of art and all of the things within us, from eyes, speech, crying, pain, suffing, grief, mourning, rejoicing, hell even using the bathroom. Whoa, so bigbang created humans to do number 1 and 2?

So nothing , or by chance was the maker of people using the bathroom? I dont have to go into details here hahaah.

:lol:
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']Actually you are also evidence, human beings. And our body of art and all of the things within us, from eyes, speech, crying, pain, suffing, grief, mourning, rejoicing, hell even using the bathroom. Whoa, so bigbang created humans to do number 1 and 2?

So nothing , or by chance was the maker of people using the bathroom? I dont have to go into details here hahaah.

:lol:[/QUOTE]


Ironic that your posting in this thread given that your the poster child for abortion.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']But religion is necessary because it gives people a sense of security, purpose, and greater understanding of the world around them.[/QUOTE]

So does science and philosophy.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']
But religion is necessary because it gives people a sense of security, purpose, and greater understanding of the world around them. Whether it is accurate, or whether it actually benefits society, is a seperate issue.[/QUOTE]

So it's better to have idiots off feeling good about themselves as they ram their intolerances down everyone's throats than to let them be unhappy?

Also I can't think of many religions that give people a greater understanding of the world around them, religion tends to make people more close-minded and limits the ability to rationally analyze new phenomena.
 
[quote name='camoor']Why would the christian god give women vaginas if he didnt want them all to be mommies?[/QUOTE]

C'mon now. Do you honestly believe that every person should be a parent? The people that abuse children, abandon them, strave them to death, and overall dont have the means to support children are better off not having any. Just because god gave u the ability to have kids doesnt mean u have to.
 
[quote name='camoor']So does science and philosophy.[/QUOTE]

Only the last one, greater understanding of the world around them. But I didn't mean that it's the correct understandning. Ancient people believed lightning was when the gods were angry, it was their understanding of the world around them.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']So it's better to have idiots off feeling good about themselves as they ram their intolerances down everyone's throats than to let them be unhappy? [/quote]

Overgeneralization, not all religions do that. Some religions serve their purpose without that. Those negative aspects are more the flaws of individual religious followers or beliefs, however widespread they can become. They aren't essential to religion.

Also I can't think of many religions that give people a greater understanding of the world around them, religion tends to make people more close-minded and limits the ability to rationally analyze new phenomena.
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That comment was not suggesting the accuracy of their understanding.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Those negative aspects are more the flaws of individual religious followers or beliefs, however widespread they can become. They aren't essential to religion.[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguement.
 
[quote name='Starwishi']C'mon now. Do you honestly believe that every person should be a parent? The people that abuse children, abandon them, strave them to death, and overall dont have the means to support children are better off not having any. Just because god gave u the ability to have kids doesnt mean u have to.[/QUOTE]

You do understand we are talking about killing them before they are actually born right?

We aint suppose to be talking about once they have them, what or how they rise up them up, or are skipping ahead on adoption?
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Reminds me of the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguement.[/QUOTE]


A gun used properly has its benefits. A gun in the wrong hands can be deadly. The difference is, simply owning a gun doesn't increase emotional well being.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Reminds me of the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguement.[/QUOTE]

My arguement won over at xbox addict forums. :applause: Both arguements can go both ways, but just getting rid of them fits better and thats my views.

* Someone make a thread please *
 
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