[quote name='BillyBob29']Which is why you haven't seen me actually complain about gas prices in this thread or any other thread, I've just been commenting on the energy situation in general. Gas would have to be around $10 a gallon before it would force me to rethink my driving/auto choices.[/quote]Well, don't be so antsy. It'll be there soon enough.
Do you think oil will hit $150 a barrel by July 4?
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[quote name='slidecage']no we will just stop working. some people have already left their jobs. If gas its 5 Expect a major amount of people to stop. 6 bucks you might as well say we are all #$#$#$#
after this last pay raise im good to 5.25..... anything more then 5.25 im quitting my job. I take ever extra hour i can work right now and putting every single penny in the bank so i will have cash to fall back on[/quote]
So then these people eat up the unemployment money, and that runs out taking away from the people who have jobs so then people with jobs are broke along with unemployed, and theres no money going around. BOOM We're in a depression and no one can afford food and thousands die.
after this last pay raise im good to 5.25..... anything more then 5.25 im quitting my job. I take ever extra hour i can work right now and putting every single penny in the bank so i will have cash to fall back on[/quote]
So then these people eat up the unemployment money, and that runs out taking away from the people who have jobs so then people with jobs are broke along with unemployed, and theres no money going around. BOOM We're in a depression and no one can afford food and thousands die.
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If other countries can get along with gas being $8+ I think the US can too.
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Oil down $1.09 on the NYMEX so far tonight! WHOOO! 
[quote name='Limpbizkit182521']If other countries can get along with gas being $8+ I think the US can too.[/QUOTE]
If you're referring to Europe, gas is artificially expensive there because of massive taxes. 3/4ths of the cost of gas is tax. They pay a fuel tax, then another tax on the gas and the first tax. Yes, they tax the tax.
Europe also has tremendously more public transportation infrastructure. Far more trains.
If you're referring to Europe, gas is artificially expensive there because of massive taxes. 3/4ths of the cost of gas is tax. They pay a fuel tax, then another tax on the gas and the first tax. Yes, they tax the tax.
Europe also has tremendously more public transportation infrastructure. Far more trains.
[quote name='Limpbizkit182521']If other countries can get along with gas being $8+ I think the US can too.[/quote]
As Dafoomie said, Europe is not in comparison to the US. In addition to the taxes and public transportation, there is much wider use of smaller cars and daily commutes are shorter in distance in general.
As Dafoomie said, Europe is not in comparison to the US. In addition to the taxes and public transportation, there is much wider use of smaller cars and daily commutes are shorter in distance in general.
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[quote name='tholly']But, at least in the US, we can still say we have gas that is A LOT CHEAPER than Europe......[/quote]
Yes, but other places around the world have proper mass transit/public transportation. Buses, trains/subways, carpooling systems, bikes areas, etc.
[quote name='KillJoi99']McCain=Bush.
If you like the way gas prices are, vote Bush '08[/quote]
Absolutely true.
[quote name='slidecage']love how people think Gas is going to 5 or 6 bucks per gallon.
If gas ever hits 5 bucks or 6 bucks Your going to see the nation just shut down....
Say it takes 2 gallons of gas to get to work each way...... (20 bucks at 5) 24 bucks at 6.
If someone makes 8 bucks an hour for 8 hours 64 bucks. take taxes out will leave you around 40 bucks. take gas away
take home pay 20 bucks (gas 5)
take home pay 16 bucks (gas 6)
sorry but your not going to see people willing to work for 2 bucks per hour.
hell if it takes 4 gallons each way.... 40 bucks to 48 bucks in gas you would be working for FREE.
5.25 is my breaking point[/quote]
You're logic isn't bad on this one (did I just say that about a slidecage post), but someone shouldn't be working minimum wage having to travel such distances. Also, of course it's going to hit 5 or 6. It's
ing inevitable is the conclusion I've come to.
Yes, but other places around the world have proper mass transit/public transportation. Buses, trains/subways, carpooling systems, bikes areas, etc.
[quote name='KillJoi99']McCain=Bush.
If you like the way gas prices are, vote Bush '08[/quote]
Absolutely true.
[quote name='slidecage']love how people think Gas is going to 5 or 6 bucks per gallon.
If gas ever hits 5 bucks or 6 bucks Your going to see the nation just shut down....
Say it takes 2 gallons of gas to get to work each way...... (20 bucks at 5) 24 bucks at 6.
If someone makes 8 bucks an hour for 8 hours 64 bucks. take taxes out will leave you around 40 bucks. take gas away
take home pay 20 bucks (gas 5)
take home pay 16 bucks (gas 6)
sorry but your not going to see people willing to work for 2 bucks per hour.
hell if it takes 4 gallons each way.... 40 bucks to 48 bucks in gas you would be working for FREE.
5.25 is my breaking point[/quote]
You're logic isn't bad on this one (did I just say that about a slidecage post), but someone shouldn't be working minimum wage having to travel such distances. Also, of course it's going to hit 5 or 6. It's
ing inevitable is the conclusion I've come to.
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[quote name='dafoomie']Fast breeder reactors. Conventional nuclear reactors only use a small percentage of the potential energy in the nuclear material, which is why its such nasty stuff. These newer reactors can keep re-using that same fuel until its almost completely spent, as a result, the waste produced is much less radioactive for much less time. These types of reactors are being used successfully in Japan and France. About 80% of France's electricity and 30+% of Japan's are generated by nuclear power.
With what little waste you have left, you can seal it up and drop it into a deeper part of the ocean. Or bury it. It wouldn't be as big a deal at this point.
If you want to achieve true energy independence as well as reduce greenhouse emissions, looking only at transportation is shortsighted. You have to get off of coal, gas, and oil for electricity, which are your alternatives. Solar, hydro, and wind only work in Sim City, they're impractical for the sheer volume of energy we need to generate.
Nuclear power is much cheaper, ~$10 of nuclear fuel gets you energy equal to 3 barrels of oil, do the math. Cheaper energy benefits the economy. The reduced demand for oil would also offset some of these high costs we're seeing now.[/quote]
I agree wholeheartedly that Nuclear is one method to take to lessen our energy dependence on oil. The thing I disagree with you on is solar. Solar does not only work in Sim City. It's just that there are too manying retards in Congress, in governorships (I'm talking here), pretty much throughout this country who are stinking up our great land. , there's miles after miles of empty uninhabited land out here, in a desert, that could be bought cheap and put enough solar panels (at today's output) to power the entire ing country. We have so much sun we don't know what to do with it. I think we have 300 days of the year with nothing but sun, hardly any clouds even. It's practically depressing. Other parts of the country have a little spontaneity in their weather, or some change, here we turn off the news as soon as the weather man shows up. Shoot, the summer is supposed to be monsoon season. What monsoon season? There's no rain. Rain here is a freaking drizzle.
With what little waste you have left, you can seal it up and drop it into a deeper part of the ocean. Or bury it. It wouldn't be as big a deal at this point.
If you want to achieve true energy independence as well as reduce greenhouse emissions, looking only at transportation is shortsighted. You have to get off of coal, gas, and oil for electricity, which are your alternatives. Solar, hydro, and wind only work in Sim City, they're impractical for the sheer volume of energy we need to generate.
Nuclear power is much cheaper, ~$10 of nuclear fuel gets you energy equal to 3 barrels of oil, do the math. Cheaper energy benefits the economy. The reduced demand for oil would also offset some of these high costs we're seeing now.[/quote]
I agree wholeheartedly that Nuclear is one method to take to lessen our energy dependence on oil. The thing I disagree with you on is solar. Solar does not only work in Sim City. It's just that there are too many
ing retards in Congress, in governorships (I'm talking here), pretty much throughout this country who are stinking up our great land. , there's miles after miles of empty uninhabited land out here, in a desert, that could be bought cheap and put enough solar panels (at today's output) to power the entire ing country. We have so much sun we don't know what to do with it. I think we have 300 days of the year with nothing but sun, hardly any clouds even. It's practically depressing. Other parts of the country have a little spontaneity in their weather, or some change, here we turn off the news as soon as the weather man shows up. Shoot, the summer is supposed to be monsoon season. What monsoon season? There's no rain. Rain here is a freaking drizzle.
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[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Oil down $1.09 on the NYMEX so far tonight! WHOOO! [/quote]
Not for long.
[/quote]Not for long.
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[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Not for long.[/quote]Yeah, you're right.
Down $2.61 today :lol:
Down $2.61 today :lol:
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[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Yeah, you're right.
Down $2.61 today :lol:[/QUOTE]
Is this the economic equivalent of the intellectual exercise of thinking "oh, my, it's cold today, so there must be no global warming"?
Down $2.61 today :lol:[/QUOTE]
Is this the economic equivalent of the intellectual exercise of thinking "oh, my, it's cold today, so there must be no global warming"?
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[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I agree wholeheartedly that Nuclear is one method to take to lessen our energy dependence on oil. The thing I disagree with you on is solar. Solar does not only work in Sim City. It's just that there are too many ing retards in Congress, in governorships (I'm talking here), pretty much throughout this country who are stinking up our great land. , there's miles after miles of empty uninhabited land out here, in a desert, that could be bought cheap and put enough solar panels (at today's output) to power the entire ing country. We have so much sun we don't know what to do with it. I think we have 300 days of the year with nothing but sun, hardly any clouds even. It's practically depressing. Other parts of the country have a little spontaneity in their weather, or some change, here we turn off the news as soon as the weather man shows up. Shoot, the summer is supposed to be monsoon season. What monsoon season? There's no rain. Rain here is a freaking drizzle.[/QUOTE]
That is true. While solar is NOT a nationwide solution because of the differences in the amount of direct sunlight that hit different parts of the country it is just insane that we are not harvesting more solar energy in the unused desert wasteland that is much of Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and parts of California.
ing retards in Congress, in governorships (I'm talking here), pretty much throughout this country who are stinking up our great land. , there's miles after miles of empty uninhabited land out here, in a desert, that could be bought cheap and put enough solar panels (at today's output) to power the entire ing country. We have so much sun we don't know what to do with it. I think we have 300 days of the year with nothing but sun, hardly any clouds even. It's practically depressing. Other parts of the country have a little spontaneity in their weather, or some change, here we turn off the news as soon as the weather man shows up. Shoot, the summer is supposed to be monsoon season. What monsoon season? There's no rain. Rain here is a freaking drizzle.[/QUOTE]That is true. While solar is NOT a nationwide solution because of the differences in the amount of direct sunlight that hit different parts of the country it is just insane that we are not harvesting more solar energy in the unused desert wasteland that is much of Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and parts of California.
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100% of our energy comes from the sun in one way or another. Using solar panels to harvest that energy before it's converted to other energy, saves us time and money. I have yet to figure out why we are not using solar power to our advantage.
Also, my breaking point for gas is $5 a gallon. When it hits $5, I'm parking my car, hanging up my keys, and riding my bike.
Also, my breaking point for gas is $5 a gallon. When it hits $5, I'm parking my car, hanging up my keys, and riding my bike.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Is this the economic equivalent of the intellectual exercise of thinking "oh, my, it's cold today, so there must be no global warming"?[/quote]No. That is why I affixed the :lol: to my post. Watching the NYMEX these days is like watching your "special" son play Little League. You know he's going to go 0-5 and chew on first base, but when he does something small like put his batting gloves on all by himself, it makes you feel a little bit better inside.
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so has the democratic party touched on the price of oil at all?
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[quote name='guyver2077']so has the democratic party touched on the price of oil at all?[/quote]
Nah, the typical congressional puppet show has happened a couple times, and I am sure Obama's party line will be "Find alternative fuel sources, more ethanol for everyone!"
Nah, the typical congressional puppet show has happened a couple times, and I am sure Obama's party line will be "Find alternative fuel sources, more ethanol for everyone!"
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Well, I guess my problem is I don't really have a breaking point. Gas can hit $10, and I'm still going to drive. I have a decent paying job, and one that I've been looking at trying to get for years, and I got it earlier this year. Make decent money (50k ish range).
But, living in Michigan, there is next to no public transportation. The only thing they have is the SMART bus line, that doesn't run on all that close a schedule. Also, I checked, and would need to take 4 different buses each way to go to work. Since hitting a schedule isn't that important, I would likely be looking at 3 hours each way to get to work (it's a 40 minute drive most days).
So, when they fix publc trans here, I'll take it. But, until then, I'll be riding it out.
But, living in Michigan, there is next to no public transportation. The only thing they have is the SMART bus line, that doesn't run on all that close a schedule. Also, I checked, and would need to take 4 different buses each way to go to work. Since hitting a schedule isn't that important, I would likely be looking at 3 hours each way to get to work (it's a 40 minute drive most days).
So, when they fix publc trans here, I'll take it. But, until then, I'll be riding it out.
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I unfortunately dont live close enough to my job to consider public transportation. When I have been without a car in the past i did resort to taking the bus but thats when it only required to take 2 buses to get to my job. Not to mention that it requires me to wake up even earlier just to go wait at the stop.
Bus would be last choice 100% er situation. Heck lately ive just been renting cars whenever my car isnt available
Bus would be last choice 100% er situation. Heck lately ive just been renting cars whenever my car isnt available
The electric utility company of my area is building a $20 million solar panel farm on a landfill a mile from me in Bucks County, PA. [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Geneva]16,500 solar panels will be installed using approx 16.5 acres of land and is the 4th largest solar panel farm in the country (it's also going to be the largest [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Geneva]solar panel farm on the eastern half of the US beyond Mississippi). So how much electricity will this project output? Enough to power only [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Geneva]400 homes. How pathetic is that?[/FONT]
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I agree wholeheartedly that Nuclear is one method to take to lessen our energy dependence on oil. The thing I disagree with you on is solar.[/QUOTE]
Solar isn't practical because of the high cost per watt and low efficiency. Plus, you'd only have electricity during daylight hours.
It can supplement your main forms of power but its not going to replace them.
What is going to be interesting is when these solar cells come down in price and go up in efficiency. Eventually it'll be practical for many people to install these on their roofs, to take care of some (not all) of their power needs.
Solar isn't practical because of the high cost per watt and low efficiency. Plus, you'd only have electricity during daylight hours.
It can supplement your main forms of power but its not going to replace them.
What is going to be interesting is when these solar cells come down in price and go up in efficiency. Eventually it'll be practical for many people to install these on their roofs, to take care of some (not all) of their power needs.
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[quote name='dafoomie']Solar isn't practical because of the high cost per watt and low efficiency. Plus, you'd only have electricity during daylight hours.
It can supplement your main forms of power but its not going to replace them.
What is going to be interesting is when these solar cells come down in price and go up in efficiency. Eventually it'll be practical for many people to install these on their roofs, to take care of some (not all) of their power needs.[/QUOTE]
That is true but just look how much more efficient solar cells have become over just the past 10 years. I don't think it is unwarranted to expect efficiences to increase dramatically, at an even greater pace than they have this past decade, now that the solar industry is getting investment and government money thrown at it left and right.
It can supplement your main forms of power but its not going to replace them.
What is going to be interesting is when these solar cells come down in price and go up in efficiency. Eventually it'll be practical for many people to install these on their roofs, to take care of some (not all) of their power needs.[/QUOTE]
That is true but just look how much more efficient solar cells have become over just the past 10 years. I don't think it is unwarranted to expect efficiences to increase dramatically, at an even greater pace than they have this past decade, now that the solar industry is getting investment and government money thrown at it left and right.
[quote name='dafoomie']Solar isn't practical because of the high cost per watt and low efficiency. Plus, you'd only have electricity during daylight hours.
It can supplement your main forms of power but its not going to replace them.
What is going to be interesting is when these solar cells come down in price and go up in efficiency. Eventually it'll be practical for many people to install these on their roofs, to take care of some (not all) of their power needs.[/quote]
You don't have to have electricity only in the day, that's what batteries are for, store some energy and we have electricity at night.
Unfortunately these current inefficient solar panels would not satisfy tech savvy people like us CAGs, we could not power a decent TV, Xbox 360 and PC for all nighters, but for people that don't have alot of electronics it would be enough
It can supplement your main forms of power but its not going to replace them.
What is going to be interesting is when these solar cells come down in price and go up in efficiency. Eventually it'll be practical for many people to install these on their roofs, to take care of some (not all) of their power needs.[/quote]
You don't have to have electricity only in the day, that's what batteries are for, store some energy and we have electricity at night.
Unfortunately these current inefficient solar panels would not satisfy tech savvy people like us CAGs, we could not power a decent TV, Xbox 360 and PC for all nighters, but for people that don't have alot of electronics it would be enough
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If someone has solar panels on their property the power is used to power their house. Any extra power is sent back to the power company and they pay you for it. So if you are sending power back during the day and using power from the company at night you break even.
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[quote name='bigdaddy']Why do you buy premium? I haven't seen premium for less than $4 in at least 4-6 weeks.[/quote]
The premium gas by my work is currently at $4.67 and regular is $4.55.
The premium gas by my work is currently at $4.67 and regular is $4.55.
[quote name='eliter1']You don't have to have electricity only in the day, that's what batteries are for, store some energy and we have electricity at night.
Unfortunately these current inefficient solar panels would not satisfy tech savvy people like us CAGs, we could not power a decent TV, Xbox 360 and PC for all nighters, but for people that don't have alot of electronics it would be enough[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about powering a house. I'm talking about powering a city. The day is coming where having solar panels on your property will be practical and commonplace, but we're not going to be replacing traditional power plants with solar.
Unfortunately these current inefficient solar panels would not satisfy tech savvy people like us CAGs, we could not power a decent TV, Xbox 360 and PC for all nighters, but for people that don't have alot of electronics it would be enough[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about powering a house. I'm talking about powering a city. The day is coming where having solar panels on your property will be practical and commonplace, but we're not going to be replacing traditional power plants with solar.
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With everyone saying that when gs prices hit about 5 dollars, I wonder how much of a hit oil companies are going to take. Maybe it will be like a bubble and bring prices back down again.
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[quote name='projectmayhem101']Lots of towns will fine if you don't keep your lawn up.
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The day after I posted that I saw a news story that a town in Ohio (Canton?) is trying to rewrite a law where you pay $250 and get tossed in jail for up to a month, up from a previous maximum punishment of a $150 fine. Apparently they are too retarded to realize the increase in overgrown lawns is due to the cost of the same gas their asses don't want to pay for either. But, alas, shit rolls downhill. I would have thought smoking all alone in an open field would get you sent to jail before not mowing your lawn.
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The day after I posted that I saw a news story that a town in Ohio (Canton?) is trying to rewrite a law where you pay $250 and get tossed in jail for up to a month, up from a previous maximum punishment of a $150 fine. Apparently they are too retarded to realize the increase in overgrown lawns is due to the cost of the same gas their asses don't want to pay for either. But, alas, shit rolls downhill. I would have thought smoking all alone in an open field would get you sent to jail before not mowing your lawn.
[quote name='crunchb3rry']The day after I posted that I saw a news story that a town in Ohio (Canton?) is trying to rewrite a law where you pay $250 and get tossed in jail for up to a month, up from a previous maximum punishment of a $150 fine. Apparently they are too retarded to realize the increase in overgrown lawns is due to the cost of the same gas their asses don't want to pay for either. But, alas, shit rolls downhill. I would have thought smoking all alone in an open field would get you sent to jail before not mowing your lawn.[/quote]
I doubt Canton, thats not the type of people that would have to be perfect, if you know what I mean.
I doubt Canton, thats not the type of people that would have to be perfect, if you know what I mean.
This is just a ed up problem.
We should use our own oil instead of foreign oil because that would lower the price, and while we are on our own oil we should be able to devise a fuel alternative. The problem with that though is that too many companies/organizations would have to come together to make it work and that isn't going to happen.
We could just unanimously boycott gas but we are too disjointed as citizens of the U.S. that that wouldn't happen.
It's sad that we are going to give up everything else before we give up on paying for gas.
I just got a raise not too long ago, back when gas was just hitting three dollars and I was like WOO HOO! But now it doesn't even matter because the price of gas keeps increasing. My disposable income has probably decreased rather than increasing like I had hoped.
ed up problem.We should use our own oil instead of foreign oil because that would lower the price, and while we are on our own oil we should be able to devise a fuel alternative. The problem with that though is that too many companies/organizations would have to come together to make it work and that isn't going to happen.
We could just unanimously boycott gas but we are too disjointed as citizens of the U.S. that that wouldn't happen.
It's sad that we are going to give up everything else before we give up on paying for gas.
I just got a raise not too long ago, back when gas was just hitting three dollars and I was like WOO HOO! But now it doesn't even matter because the price of gas keeps increasing. My disposable income has probably decreased rather than increasing like I had hoped.
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That thing definitely needs to be studied, they wouldn't get away with stripping the interior, but i'm sure some of the techniques used in the Opel could be used today..
[quote name='TC']http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351903_needle20.html[/quote]
The reason I think nothing remotely similar has been implemented is because the car companies and the oil companies wouldn't let it happen.
The reason I think nothing remotely similar has been implemented is because the car companies and the oil companies wouldn't let it happen.
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[quote name='KillJoi99']I doubt Canton, thats not the type of people that would have to be perfect, if you know what I mean.[/quote]
I doublechecked trough some searches and it was definitely Canton.
I doublechecked trough some searches and it was definitely Canton.
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Oil "down" to $133 today. Doesn't look like it will reach that $150 level by the 4th. We can probably thank China for finally cutting down on some of their oil subsidies. Also, it looks as if Americans are buying less gas because it's so damned expensive. Imagine that!
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i really think that there are good reasons why oil are the prices they are today, an that we really have no room to complain.everything in life goes up, including bread, milk, butter, jobwages, etc. oil is another natural "product" weve created(well everything is a product really).with this in mind we have no room to complain, its something wec reated. the dollar should go up, but if we kept pricing the same as the 1930s then we wouldnt have the technological advances weve made today. so keep that in mind when bitching(complaining).
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[quote name='cheapassVigilante']i really think that there are good reasons why oil are the prices they are today, an that we really have no room to complain.everything in life goes up, including bread, milk, butter, jobwages, etc. oil is another natural "product" weve created(well everything is a product really).with this in mind we have no room to complain, its something wec reated. the dollar should go up, but if we kept pricing the same as the 1930s then we wouldnt have the technological advances weve made today. so keep that in mind when bitching(complaining).[/QUOTE]
STFU (Shut the up)
Oil prices are not just going up because everything goes up anyways. Read or watch the news.
STFU (Shut the
up)Oil prices are not just going up because everything goes up anyways. Read or watch the news.
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Imagine how many solar cells could be installed in the largely unpopulated areas of Australia. Plenty of sun and room for plenty of cells to be set up.
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[quote name='JolietJake']Imagine how many solar cells could be installed in the largely unpopulated areas of Australia. Plenty of sun and room for plenty of cells to be set up.[/quote]
Nevada - solar cell heaven; desert extaordinaire
We have the infrastructure and man power to make it happen here. It's not as though we have to set up, wait for people to comes, etc. if we were to do it in other parts of the country (Wyoming, Montana, other desolate states, etc.). It's just that there are too many naysayers and too many politicians ruining this country.
Nevada - solar cell heaven; desert extaordinaire
We have the infrastructure and man power to make it happen here. It's not as though we have to set up, wait for people to comes, etc. if we were to do it in other parts of the country (Wyoming, Montana, other desolate states, etc.). It's just that there are too many naysayers and too many politicians ruining this country.
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[quote name='dafoomie']Solar isn't practical because of the high cost per watt and low efficiency. Plus, you'd only have electricity during daylight hours.
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This point is no longer valid. Though true the can only capture electricity during daylight hours, but they can store the vast excess that they receive for the night time. Enough solar cells even at today's efficiency in Nevada could power the country. It's just that no one wants to make it happen. In Israel, for instance, they've been using Solar for decades. It was first as a supplement, and mostly just to heat water and minute things. Since then, though, things have really ramped up and you can find solar everywhere and they don't fret over such things as it not capturing during the night time, as they get plenty from the day.
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This point is no longer valid. Though true the can only capture electricity during daylight hours, but they can store the vast excess that they receive for the night time. Enough solar cells even at today's efficiency in Nevada could power the country. It's just that no one wants to make it happen. In Israel, for instance, they've been using Solar for decades. It was first as a supplement, and mostly just to heat water and minute things. Since then, though, things have really ramped up and you can find solar everywhere and they don't fret over such things as it not capturing during the night time, as they get plenty from the day.
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[quote name='Limpbizkit182521']If someone has solar panels on their property the power is used to power their house. Any extra power is sent back to the power company and they pay you for it. So if you are sending power back during the day and using power from the company at night you break even.[/quote]
The casino companies have been doing that out here for sometime. Many of them, since they use so much electricity for lights and other things, have had to adapt and set up their own power generators/plants. A lot of them use solar panels, just keep updating them (like computers) as things get better. They make a ton of money just from this, because the electric company is obligated to buy their excess power .:lol:
The casino companies have been doing that out here for sometime. Many of them, since they use so much electricity for lights and other things, have had to adapt and set up their own power generators/plants. A lot of them use solar panels, just keep updating them (like computers) as things get better. They make a ton of money just from this, because the electric company is obligated to buy their excess power .:lol:
HeadRusch
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Guys, switching to "another form of energy" isnt' the long term solution....thats like kicking booze by discovering Heroin
Its "how do we best utilize the energy we have available to us today and use it responsibly".
You can't live in a huge McMansion out in the burbs if it costs you $300 a week to commute to your job......gas wont be cheap ever again, India, China and eventually the rest of the world will see to that.
At least when we are all paying about $8 bucks a gallon the demand will level out and oil wont be the panic-buying Chicken-Little syndrome that we have today. You wont be hopping in your car to visit your buddies 10 times a weekend, the roads will be less congested, you'll learn to vacation closer to home and not fly all over the world on a whim thanks to cheap jet fares.
Its better we learn this lesson now...when its an inconvenience....and not a real world crisis.
Its "how do we best utilize the energy we have available to us today and use it responsibly".
You can't live in a huge McMansion out in the burbs if it costs you $300 a week to commute to your job......gas wont be cheap ever again, India, China and eventually the rest of the world will see to that.
At least when we are all paying about $8 bucks a gallon the demand will level out and oil wont be the panic-buying Chicken-Little syndrome that we have today. You wont be hopping in your car to visit your buddies 10 times a weekend, the roads will be less congested, you'll learn to vacation closer to home and not fly all over the world on a whim thanks to cheap jet fares.
Its better we learn this lesson now...when its an inconvenience....and not a real world crisis.
JolietJake
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Are you sure you don't mean short term, because i'd say that finding other sources of energy certainly is the long term solution. It won't do much to help us in the short term of course.
HeadRusch
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[quote name='JolietJake']Are you sure you don't mean short term, because i'd say that finding other sources of energy certainly is the long term solution. It won't do much to help us in the short term of course.[/QUOTE]
Both, but thanks for pointing that out. Eventually there will reach a point in our planets life where our energy costs will be too high (and I dont mean dollars) that the concept of the "global economy" no longer functions the way it does today. Electric is great....electric cars will allow us to scoot around town, scoot to our jobs, use almost no gasoline (depending on how our electricity is made, anyhow) and so forth. From a "our worlds revolve around us" perspective, thats good.
But does that mean that there will now be a GLUT of electric cars, all with batteries that need replacing every few years, clogging up our landfills and poisoning our water?? Thats a cost of using that kind of energy. Hydrogen is great, but it takes an awful lot of energy to create hydrogen. T here is work being done on bacteria being used to actually create hydrogen gas....which is awesome...but again, what is the downside?
So the key isn't to go from gas to electric, its "how do we minimize the use of cars...period". Go to the store less, visit your friends less often but vist them for longer periods of time. CHOOSE where to live a little better....not just "is that a nice house" but "is it close to my job, are the neighbors my age".....a real shift in thinking.
Eventually, I think, we are going to have to think a little more realistically about how we live in this world.
Example: I think travel will be more expensive, and airlines are probably not going to be the way it happens, unless you are ultra rich. I think nuclear-powered ships are probably the future...for shipping..and for passenger travel. Rail and electric vehicle commuting will pick up, and dare I say more manufacturing will move back to this country as the cost of shipping negates any benefit of having goods made cheaply overseas. Of course thanks to advances in electronic telecommunication, travel for business wont be required the way it is today...already we've got video teleconferencing that can put two people in the same room from across the world with almost no lag (and I'm not talking anything made by CREATIVE here...). etc, etc.
If anything it could mean a HUGE boom for Mexico and South America, where they..thanks to their lower standard of living (which wont last, btw) can at least supply us with cheap goods in the short term as we slowly wean ourselves back to a more localized economy. Not isolationism, but really....we wont be getting every last item from some overseas sweatshop. The Oriental Traders catalog will probably go away
"What? I cant get a gross of bouncy balls for $3.99!? F THAT SHIT!"
So in the end I think its good that Peaches cost $4 bucks each in the winter time, or that the price of our gasoline is starting to go up. Its one of those nasty pills that we eventually have to swallow...better to do it now and get accustomed to it, give ourselves time to adapt to the changing way of things.
But I dont want to see the world simply stop gorging on gas, and start gorging on electricity.
I mean, if all it takes to bring down our electric grid is a bunch of fat, sweaty bastards all turning on their A/C's at once....can you imagine what happens when everyone plugs in their frickin Camary's or Accords to juice up?
Both, but thanks for pointing that out. Eventually there will reach a point in our planets life where our energy costs will be too high (and I dont mean dollars) that the concept of the "global economy" no longer functions the way it does today. Electric is great....electric cars will allow us to scoot around town, scoot to our jobs, use almost no gasoline (depending on how our electricity is made, anyhow) and so forth. From a "our worlds revolve around us" perspective, thats good.
But does that mean that there will now be a GLUT of electric cars, all with batteries that need replacing every few years, clogging up our landfills and poisoning our water?? Thats a cost of using that kind of energy. Hydrogen is great, but it takes an awful lot of energy to create hydrogen. T here is work being done on bacteria being used to actually create hydrogen gas....which is awesome...but again, what is the downside?
So the key isn't to go from gas to electric, its "how do we minimize the use of cars...period". Go to the store less, visit your friends less often but vist them for longer periods of time. CHOOSE where to live a little better....not just "is that a nice house" but "is it close to my job, are the neighbors my age".....a real shift in thinking.
Eventually, I think, we are going to have to think a little more realistically about how we live in this world.
Example: I think travel will be more expensive, and airlines are probably not going to be the way it happens, unless you are ultra rich. I think nuclear-powered ships are probably the future...for shipping..and for passenger travel. Rail and electric vehicle commuting will pick up, and dare I say more manufacturing will move back to this country as the cost of shipping negates any benefit of having goods made cheaply overseas. Of course thanks to advances in electronic telecommunication, travel for business wont be required the way it is today...already we've got video teleconferencing that can put two people in the same room from across the world with almost no lag (and I'm not talking anything made by CREATIVE here...).
etc, etc.If anything it could mean a HUGE boom for Mexico and South America, where they..thanks to their lower standard of living (which wont last, btw) can at least supply us with cheap goods in the short term as we slowly wean ourselves back to a more localized economy. Not isolationism, but really....we wont be getting every last item from some overseas sweatshop. The Oriental Traders catalog will probably go away
"What? I cant get a gross of bouncy balls for $3.99!? F THAT SHIT!"
So in the end I think its good that Peaches cost $4 bucks each in the winter time, or that the price of our gasoline is starting to go up. Its one of those nasty pills that we eventually have to swallow...better to do it now and get accustomed to it, give ourselves time to adapt to the changing way of things.
But I dont want to see the world simply stop gorging on gas, and start gorging on electricity.
I mean, if all it takes to bring down our electric grid is a bunch of fat, sweaty bastards all turning on their A/C's at once....can you imagine what happens when everyone plugs in their frickin Camary's or Accords to juice up?
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']This point is no longer valid. Though true the can only capture electricity during daylight hours, but they can store the vast excess that they receive for the night time. Enough solar cells even at today's efficiency in Nevada could power the country. It's just that no one wants to make it happen. In Israel, for instance, they've been using Solar for decades. It was first as a supplement, and mostly just to heat water and minute things. Since then, though, things have really ramped up and you can find solar everywhere and they don't fret over such things as it not capturing during the night time, as they get plenty from the day.[/QUOTE]
Batteries don't scale up well when you start talking about major cities. Batteries alone would be a major cost, and you'd have to have enough solar cells to power double what you need, since you're powering the city and charging the battery.
Nuclear is still cheaper and more reliable. Not to mention vastly cleaner, wait until you have to landfill all those batteries every few years. Those are nasty things to have to bury vast amounts of (a major reason why the electric car is impractical).
If you want to talk about putting solar panels on your house when the cost comes down, great. You'll cut your consumption a great deal, but you'd still want to be on the grid.
Batteries don't scale up well when you start talking about major cities. Batteries alone would be a major cost, and you'd have to have enough solar cells to power double what you need, since you're powering the city and charging the battery.
Nuclear is still cheaper and more reliable. Not to mention vastly cleaner, wait until you have to landfill all those batteries every few years. Those are nasty things to have to bury vast amounts of (a major reason why the electric car is impractical).
If you want to talk about putting solar panels on your house when the cost comes down, great. You'll cut your consumption a great deal, but you'd still want to be on the grid.
fatherofcaitlyn
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[quote name='dafoomie']Batteries don't scale up well when you start talking about major cities. Batteries alone would be a major cost, and you'd have to have enough solar cells to power double what you need, since you're powering the city and charging the battery.
Nuclear is still cheaper and more reliable. Not to mention vastly cleaner, wait until you have to landfill all those batteries every few years. Those are nasty things to have to bury vast amounts of (a major reason why the electric car is impractical).
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Huh?
1. Couldn't each building have its own set of batteries? Then, you only need the solar cells to keep the batteries charged.
2. Nuclear is cheap and reliable until the fuel runs out. How much is left? 50 years? 500 years? Gee, the Sun will be humming for the next 1-3 billion years.
3. Nuclear waste is not clean. It requires underground storage for decades if not centuries. Batteries? Lead acid (20 year old tech) is >90% recyclable and lasts 3-5 years. NiMH (10 year old tech) is 100% recyclable and lasts 10 years. Li-Ion (5 year old tech) isn't considered waste in small doses. Hell, shrinks feed Lithium to crazy people.
4. Electric cars are impractical due to the cost of batteries to have a 300 mile range and the amount of time to recharge said batteries with current technology. The landfill waste isn't an issue.
Nuclear is still cheaper and more reliable. Not to mention vastly cleaner, wait until you have to landfill all those batteries every few years. Those are nasty things to have to bury vast amounts of (a major reason why the electric car is impractical).
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Huh?
1. Couldn't each building have its own set of batteries? Then, you only need the solar cells to keep the batteries charged.
2. Nuclear is cheap and reliable until the fuel runs out. How much is left? 50 years? 500 years? Gee, the Sun will be humming for the next 1-3 billion years.
3. Nuclear waste is not clean. It requires underground storage for decades if not centuries. Batteries? Lead acid (20 year old tech) is >90% recyclable and lasts 3-5 years. NiMH (10 year old tech) is 100% recyclable and lasts 10 years. Li-Ion (5 year old tech) isn't considered waste in small doses. Hell, shrinks feed Lithium to crazy people.
4. Electric cars are impractical due to the cost of batteries to have a 300 mile range and the amount of time to recharge said batteries with current technology. The landfill waste isn't an issue.
SATAN
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I hope it goes up to at least 500 dollars a barrel by the end of the year. I want chaos in the streets--I want people stabbing and killing eachother for an old soda can filled with stolen oil-I want to see old people compacted into reusable burning logs-I want to stand on my roof naked with an m-60 and scream murdockkkkkkk!!!,gunning down all who even look at my oil pump in my front yard-I want to be named the wizard of my neighborhood and sit on my well deserved throne.
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