Dragon Age II - Gen. Discussion and Info - Mark of the Assassin DLC 10/11 800 pts.

Edit: OK u can't use Bethany/Carver in the intro scene but u can use them in the mission proper. Tallis is now fully in the party select screen & obviously must be taken, so that leaves 2 slots open.

Now I have to figure out who I want between Bethany, Isabella, & Varric.
 
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[quote name='MSUHitman']Edit: OK u can't use Bethany/Carver in the intro scene but u can use them in the mission proper. Tallis is now fully in the party select screen & obviously must be taken, so that leaves 2 slots open.

Now I have to figure out who I want between Bethany, Isabella, & Varric.[/QUOTE]
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Did you kill Fenris and Merrill? Is that even possible?

'Cause I murdered the fuck out of Fenris first chance I got. So fucking murdered.
 
No I just never use them outside of their specific quests. Always used some combo of Varric, Isabella, Aveline, Bethany, & Anders in my party.

Only 1 party member is perma dead in my game.

Anyone able to finish the cult sidequest yet? Tried and wiped 3 times. Guess I'm going to have to go to Bioware forums tomorrow, shudder.
 
Great DLC. The stealth gameplay was a little iffy but I thought the writing was great and the comedy was some of the best in the game.
Adventuring!

I got wiped on the Sky Horror too and gave up on it.
 
I'm going to try it again tonight. From reading the Bioware forums, apparently there's a secret spirit dragon boss in the Legacy DLC. You have to find this key item called the Warm Orb then go all the way back to the arena at the beginning of the DLC and you have to kill a bunch of archers and a horror that turns into a dragon once you kill him in his horror form.
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']I'm going to try it again tonight. From reading the Bioware forums, apparently there's a secret spirit dragon boss in the Legacy DLC. You have to find this key item called the Warm Orb then go all the way back to the arena at the beginning of the DLC and you have to kill a bunch of archers and a horror that turns into a dragon once you kill him in his horror form.[/QUOTE]

Really?? Very cool. I might have to check this out.
 
Secret boss in Legacy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08s_RPOgYG4

Beat the Sky Horror last night and it was tough. Firstoff, make sure you have bought all of the regular style (health, injury, stamina, lyrium) potions and made a bunch of restoration potion, mythal potions (the ones that revive others), and a couple of fell grenades before you start the DLC as you can't go back to Kirkwall once you start.

When you fight the horror you have to have all non-warriors go after the ads, leave the Horror to the warriors, as they are the only ones that have the health to survive the AoE attacks. Have you mage alternate between magic attacks on the horror and healing. Rogues should go after all the adds. Try to throw a fell grenade if you get a chance and try to keep everyone on their feet with the revival potions.

2nd part has some great cameos with people from Origins. I think it's best to play this after the end as the conversations do change.

I'm now in the stealth part trying to sneak past the guards and I hope to finish this later tonight.
 
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Well I beat Mark of the Assassin the other night, excellent DLC once again. It's so amazing that after a step back from Origins to DA 2 that the DLC for 2 blows away every DLC minus Awakening that Origins had and is better than half of the DLC from ME 1/2.

If anyone needs help, YouTube user Revan657 as all kinds of walkthroughs for it, including short ones of the puzzles inside the vault.

This video was by a different user, but I think it's really cool. At one point you and Tallis are captured and your two other companions have to rescue you. This video shows every possible combination and what is said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJD6VzeHNRY&list=FLzHLernH8M4_kSYVNA6bVvA&index=7
 
[quote name='The Crotch']How's the wave combat/monster closets in this'n?[/QUOTE]

There's not really any waves per say in this one. Generally when u get to a fight your only fighting the enemies that are there from the start.

I guess there are 3 exceptions. The optional fight mentioned before has some extra cultists that come out of portals on either side of the enclosed area u fight in, and there's only about 3 sets of them.

Then near the end of the DLC u fight some enemies on a hill/forest area and your trying to chase down their leader and he's leading u away from where u need to go into more guys that are already setup in those spots.

The final boss then has some more adds come in while your fighting him but u hear the boss calling for help when they appear out of the gate u came in (final fight is on a cliffside so only 1 way in/out.)
 
There is another new armor set in this DLC and it's the new most powerful armor suit (if you get it post-game at least.) They were lazy though as it looks EXACTLY the same as the armor set you find in Act 1 of the game, just a LOT more powerful.

It's much easier to get than the Legacy set though. Most of the pieces you get just by solving the fire puzzle in the vault. There is also an accessory set to find in the DLC but it's locked to Hawke and it's only useful if you're a rogue. I found a necklace and 1 ring, not sure if that's everything.

Also when you have to kill the big creature at the end of the first part of the DLC make sure you do everything to get the biggest version out. The belt you get as a prize (given in a cutscene afterwards) is boss.
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']There is another new armor set in this DLC and it's the new most powerful armor suit (if you get it post-game at least.) They were lazy though as it looks EXACTLY the same as the armor set you find in Act 1 of the game, just a LOT more powerful.
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What class are you? I played through as a Warrior and the armor you're talking about was barely better than the Champion armor set from the main game (and arguably not as good if you compare the bonuses aside from just the armor stat).
 
I'm a warrior as well. I'll get all the stats in a bit.

Edit:

Champion set:

Helm
132 armor
+ 20 health
+ 58 attack
+ 3% critical chance

Gloves
79 armor
+12 health
+1 % attack speed
+35 attack

Boots
119 armor
+ 18 health
+ 52 attack
+ 4% physical damage

Chest
331 armor
+50 health
+145 attack

Fortress set:

Helm
158 armor
+ 1 cunning
+ 6 fortitude
+ 9 % damage resistance

Gloves
95 armor
+ 29 armor
+ 7% healing to this character

Boots
142 armor
+ 39 health
+ 60 defense

Chest
395 armor
+ 4 strength
Immune to flanking

Orlesian Lancer

Helm
172 armor
+ 71 attack
+ 2% attack speed
+ 23% healing to this character

Gloves
103 armor
+ 43 attack
+ 1% attack speed
+ 14% healing to this character

Boots
155 armor
+ 64 attack
+ 2% attack speed
+ 21% healing to this character

Chest
431 armor
+ 179 attack
+ 5% attack speed
+ 57% healing to this character

Note I played both DLC's with my post-campaign save so if you get the Fortress and Orlesian sets earlier then they might be different as they don't say they'll scale in level like some of the downloadable items.

Also if you buy/play the DLC before Oct. 26 and get an achievement and register on the Bioware site you get a free ring.
 
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Alright, just started the DLC.

I've had four fights so far, and three of them involved waves (though one was pretty low-key). Hm.

Also, a dagger that Tallis can't use.
 
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Yeah they locked Tallis weapons down for a reason ...

Sorry if I didn't describe the little goblin-like creature encounters properly, they seemed to all come out at once to swarm u, didn't see others joining the fight later.
 
Yeah, there are some fights where the enemies still come in waves, but at least they come from a logical place rather than just teleporting in or ninja'ing down from the sky, so it's a little less silly.
 
hey guys, i still have the Dragon Age 2 SE sealed. is it worth keeping or should i sell it? if i sell it ill probably use the money for black friday to get RDR GOTY and LA NOIRE complete edition... what do you guys think? is it worth keeping? or perhaps play it and not use the DLCs then sell?
 
The Signature Edition is worth a bit more than the regular edition, but not a huge amount, even sealed. I just glanced at eBay and saw several sealed copies in the $35-60 range.

If you don't care about the bonus DLC at all, you probably could come out slightly ahead by selling your SE and purchasing a regular copy to play. If I were you I would just keep it though.
 
Yeah, the goblin bastards don't "wave" in the manner of regular DA2 enemies. They more... keep coming in a steady stream. The ones I've fought so far, at least.

Which... I'm okay with, I guess. I wish they didn't get to surround you like they do - traps that you can easily see but not do anything about are something of a pet peeve of mine - but the steady stream is just so much better than the one-enemy-left-let's-spawn-ten-more bolshevism.
 
This is kind of cool. You can get two bonus DLC items for Dragon Age II, provided you have at least one achievement unlocked in each of the three DLC releases so far (The Exiled Prince, Legacy, and Mark of the Assassin). You need to log in to your BioWare Social Network account for it to verify the achievements and add the items to your registered content.

Pendant of the Morning Frost
+7% physical damage
+169 cold resistance
enemies drop better equipment

The High Lord's Belt
+18 attack
+9 defense
enemies drop more coin
 
Apparently there was a special item just for the Mark of the Assassin release as well, but it was only available in October and despite checking the BSN forums every few days I had no idea it existed. :cry:
 
Try as I might, I can't get up the will to complete Mark of the Assassin. You know that opening scene after the first fight, where Tallis is trying to get you to go along and Hawke is all like, "Wait. Why, exactly, am I doing this?" and everyone else is all like, "Well, that's never stopped you before," and Hawke goes, "Yeah, okay, I guess I'll drop everything and go half way across the fucking continent for some ugly chick I just met." No, you fuckers. That does not fly. That is not a character motivation, for fuck's sake. Hawke raises a very legitimate question (Why?), someone says something snarky, and then he drops his legitimate question (which happens in about 75% of the party banters, anyway). fuck that shit. Hawke doesn't care about this sidequest, and when the main character can't give a fuck, I find it very hard to, as well.

And fuck Tallis. fuck Tallis, man.
 
I agree that Hawks was a bit too agreeable regarding the thing. But the dialogue was great and the gameplay kicked ass. All in all, this was up there with lair of the shadow brokers for ME2. You should see it through.
 
I don't think you can punch her, but if you romance her (which I didn't) you can sneak in a donkey punch, I bet. Maybe it's a quick time event.
 
So, as it looks like I should finish Witch Hunt on DA1 this weekend and then shift over to DA2, anyone have any preference on class for DA2? I played a mage through DA1 and did the DA2 demo three times as each class and think I'm leaning towards mage again.
 
Mage definitely has a little more relevance to the main plot (mages vs. Templars conflict) than other classes.

On the other hand, it could be argued that based on the way other characters treat him/her, it makes more sense for Hawke to not be a mage.
 
I recommend two handed warrior. You get a great rogue tied to you by the plot as is, and Aveline can out-tank Hawke a billon times over.

Mages are always good, but yeah, there are a lot of dialogues/general plot things that just don't make sense as a mage. Which is funny, because Hawke was a mage in the advertisements...
 
Mage > Rogue > Warrior. And that's coming from someone who has always played as a warrior. It all boils down to which class has the coolest moves and coolest looking gear. Mage wins.
 
I think it'll be Mage first time through, then.

And in fear of starting a Tha X discussion with Sheploo vs femShep from ME, how about gender for Hawke? I thought the voice acting for the female Hawke seemed better than the male Hawke, just like a number of people's preference of femShep over Sheploo.
 
They're both pretty good. Some people have observed that male Hawke's VA has more of an "everyman" kind of voice while female Hawke sounds more "posh"/upper crust.

I also personally feel like with BioWare games, if you're going to play a goody-two-shoes kind of character, the male voice works better, but if you're going to be sarcastic or Renegade type of character, the female voice is better. It's not as pronounced as with Mass Effect, but something about BioWare's writing just seems to fit the archetype of the badass female warrior.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKlc-4LGP2o
 
[quote name='shrike4242']I think it'll be Mage first time through, then.

And in fear of starting a Tha X discussion with Sheploo vs femShep from ME, how about gender for Hawke? I thought the voice acting for the female Hawke seemed better than the male Hawke, just like a number of people's preference of femShep over Sheploo.[/QUOTE]Go femHawke. All day, every day :cool:

#nosarcasm
 
[quote name='shrike4242']Why's that, femShep hater? :lol:[/QUOTE]It's hard to hate something when you choose to ignore its existence :cool:

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I may be KotOR-biased, but this chapter in the Dragon Age series feels more like a heroine's tale to me. I definitely foresee my male character from DA:O and femHawke from DA II running into each other in a future title.

...and that's not even mentioning the actual VAs. While the manHawke VA is definitely animated and fairly deep as far as his range is concerned, femHawke's blows him out of the water.

Also, the comparison between manHawke and femHawke is certainly not on par with the comparison between Shepard and femShep (it's not even on the same course); so don't get me started on that :lol:

:cool:
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']I definitely foresee my male character from DA:O and femHawke from DA II running into each other in a future title.[/QUOTE]
You could end up being your own love interest!
 
[quote name='chubbyninja1319']Man Shep > Garret Hawke > Lady Hawke > Femshep. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.[/QUOTE]

FemShep > Lady Hawke > Garret Hawke > Man Shep is my ranking.
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']FemShep > Lady Hawke > Garret Hawke > Man Shep is my ranking.[/QUOTE]

I think X and I are the only two people on the planet that prefer Man Shep over Femshep. But, I will say that I don't dislike Lady Hawke as much as I don't like Femshep. I used LH on my 2nd playthrough of DA2 and had fun.
 
[quote name='chubbyninja1319']Man Shep > Garret Hawke > Lady Hawke > Femshep. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='MSUHitman']FemShep > Lady Hawke > Garret Hawke > Man Shep is my ranking.[/QUOTE]

I think if you to run into each other in person, it'll be like matter and anti-matter colliding and blowing up the universe. :lol:

I know I like femShep over Sheploo in the VA department, and have to agree that the Renegade voices sound much better as femShep than Sheploo.

[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']It's hard to hate something when you choose to ignore its existence :cool:

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I may be KotOR-biased, but this chapter in the Dragon Age series feels more like a heroine's tale to me. I definitely foresee my male character from DA:O and femHawke from DA II running into each other in a future title.

...and that's not even mentioning the actual VAs. While the manHawke VA is definitely animated and fairly deep as far as his range is concerned, femHawke's blows him out of the water.

Also, the comparison between manHawke and femHawke is certainly not on par with the comparison between Shepard and femShep (it's not even on the same course); so don't get me started on that :lol:

:cool:[/QUOTE]Never know what might happen in DA III with characters from DA: O and DA II. :D Time for little DA kids?

Obviously since I know how much you have dislike/metal block for the femShep voice, obviously if femHawke is your cup of tea, I'll have to go give that a try as my first playthrough.

I have to agree with Ryuu's comparison video he posted about the VA differences between male Hawke and female Hawke. Nice comparison video.
 
Oh, and since no one else has said it, femHawke (at least the default one - aka the one you should be playing as) is hot as hell. That should be enough for you to base your decision on.
 
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