DS Redesign (real this time)

[quote name='LancerEvoX']Even though I already bought a DS (during december during that whole "price error"), I always wanted a 2nd DS. Guess I'll just wait and get the new one. I like the current DS design, but I like the new one too. The new one is pretty nice and worth waitin for. Originally, I was gonna sell back my DS for the new one but, the trade in values are probably pretty bad, so I might as well keep a 2nd DS for multiplayer wi-fi action.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I figure if nothing else, my fiancee will play me in Mario Kart.
 
[quote name='botticus']Yeah, I figure if nothing else, my fiancee will play me in Mario Kart.[/QUOTE]

Exactly :D. Besides I'm not a huge fan of selling back systems to Gamestop/EB games to get a low sellback value. How much are they buying it for anyways? I'm guessing its prob $50-$60. Not worth the tradeoff.
 
[quote name='Arkay Firestar']No it IS technology. Nintendo publicly has explained that they never used backlighting in that era because it absolutely killed battery life, and of course they were right. The Turbo Express, Nomad, Game Gear, and so on, had backlit LCD screens with terrible refresh rates, but more importantly, that were absolute battery guzzlers. More recently, I think the SP could have been backlit, but once again, its about what their priorities and objectives were. A system with a screen like the PSPs would NOT have been possible even 3 or 4 years ago...the LCD technology and battery technology just wasn't there to make it VIABLE.

But of course, there is always market strategy behind it...it's just a matter of what they wanted to accomplish and provide for the consumer.[/QUOTE]



I dunno dude... my afterburner certainly doesn't kill my battery life... just sayin'.
 
[quote name='botticus']Nope, one dead pixel = replacement.[/QUOTE]

Not if they don't have it any more - I sent a Teal one back and they repaired it (and sent it back with a *different* bad pixel, but there were 2 in the original so that is an improvement). So if they don't have the old style any more they will most likely just fix it and send back (unless somehow it is more cost effective for them to send you a new one, but I doubt that).
 
Instant purchase for me. Its apprently coming out in 3 colors in Japan, which is awesome. I'll hold off placing an import order until they announce a US release. If its within a week or two, I'll wait, otherwise I'll be importing this sucka.
 
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeahhhhhh!!!! Smaller, great color, and just overall better!

And my DS needs to be returned cuz of dead pixels any way, can I go a month without a DS cuz of this? And maybe even pay around $20 more for it? HELL YES!!!

Thank you SOOOOOOOO much for this information!
 
I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.
 
[quote name='Machikunas']I dunno dude... my afterburner certainly doesn't kill my battery life... just sayin'.[/QUOTE]

Front lighting is a terrible, terrible mistake. IMO.
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.[/QUOTE]

I agree! I like my log cabin, buffalo nickels, and my Ford model T! I get two rods to the hogshead of octane distillate, and that's the way I likes it!
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.[/QUOTE]

Thats a little harsh, its not like any functionality has changed at all. It shouldnt prevent you from enjoying your DS and its current and future library.

Its not something that wouldve or shouldve happened the first time, because it wasnt cost effective or AS practical a year ago. Also it wouldve been riskier overall since it was an unproven concept.
 
This is very good news, especially since I now have time to save up for this. I can wait to get a new DS (if you didn't know, mine broke not too long ago) now that this redesign has been announced. I hope it will launch with a variety of colors, but if it's just white or silver, I can live with it.
 
Okay, everyone who is getting upset about this just needs to chill. If you didn't like the DS how it was designed currently, why did you buy it, assuming that this redesign makes such a horrible difference?

And if you're happy with your DS, why would you bother getting a redesigned one, unless you have the money and are carefree enough to buy it? Does it really matter if one of your friends has a different DS than you? I hope not.

You have to realize that any of the redesigns Nintendo does are probably as a result of polling and whatnot. And you can't do that without having a product in the hands of the public. So what was released a year ago was what their initial studies showed was the best design. A year later after millions of people have used it, they get a much broader spectrum of feedback, and from that, they tweak the design and sell it. Why is this something to get mad about? They didn't sit there two years ago and say "You know, I really think the mic should go in the center of the unit, but let's put it on the side so that we can move it later where it makes more sense and get people to buy a new handheld."
 
[quote name='whoknows']If I actually cared enough about the DS to own more than one game I might care.[/QUOTE]

Wow, it is pretty much all I play nowadays - PSP, PS2 and GC sit idle...
 
[quote name='Strell']Nintendo just can't fucking win. There's always a constant stream of whiners bitching about something.[/QUOTE]

Same thing could be said about Sony and Microsoft ;)
 
[quote name='whoknows']Same thing could be said about Sony and Microsoft ;)[/QUOTE]

Faulty units are not the same as people whining about a system both before AND after a design, or fucking up backwards compatability, or underutilizing an HD addon.....but point taken nonetheless.
 
I'm happy about this, I wanted to hold off until they came out with a color or design I liked.

I would love this one in black or green. I'll take white though.
 
I"m happy about the redesign. At first I was pretty angry but, now I get to own both DS'es. Now I have something to wi-fi against in metrioid prime hunters.
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.[/QUOTE]

You, my friend, have issues.
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.[/QUOTE]

Thats the truth. I have already decided not to get it, and seeing as my only reason for a DS is RE: DS I plan to sell it when I'm finished with that game....unless another RE game comes out on it :D
 
Reality's Fringe said:
I can't believe you bought a $100+ piece of hardware just to play one game, a port no less...You'd think the PSP would be fine for that *rimshot*

I have a friend that also got it for the same reason. RE co-op and multiplayer looks to be pretty fun.

And at least PSP ports are decent unlike *cough*king kong*cough* *cough*splinter cell*cough*
 
[quote name='whoknows']I have a friend that also got it for the same reason. RE co-op and multiplayer looks to be pretty fun.

And at least PSP ports are decent unlike *cough*king kong*cough* *cough*splinter cell*cough*[/QUOTE]

I agree with you there! Alas, I have to wonder what douche would play King Kong or Splinter Cell on a handheld? I mean, come on! Also, PSP ports are of a bunch of real shitty games. It's the reason I haven't bought one yet. If they fix that nub crap and put out something to hold my attention, I'll buy her. No doubts.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I have a friend that also got it for the same reason. RE co-op and multiplayer looks to be pretty fun.

And at least PSP ports are decent unlike *cough*king kong*cough* *cough*splinter cell*cough*[/QUOTE]

If you are buying the DS to play ports, you really have no goddamn clue.
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year.[/QUOTE]
John-madden.jpg

"Did someone call?"



seriously though... i'm not impressed.

it looks like a makeup compact and the name sounds like a diet soft drink.

they didn't change enough to make getting one worthwhile. stuff like this only looks bad to the customer, and gets some of the results we're seeing here... too many people, loyal nintendo fans, are pissed about it. they've opened the system up to a whole new market while shitting on the millions that picked one up already. doesn't seem smart to me.

i don't understand redesigning a system that's just starting to catch on. the thing is already selling well... leave it alone. redesign a system that's on it's last legs. this would have been a great time for a gamecube redesign. not so much for the DS.
 
I've been hogging my bf's DS just to play Animal Crossing... I have to admit, the original DS makes my hands cramp after a while (my hands are small =]). I've been looking forward to this redesign for a while. I'm very happy that its smaller and looks nicer.

I really don't mind the price, considering I paid $140 for a JPN imported Famicom Micro. (I just had to get one. Not to mention again.. that my hands are small, oh and jean pockets for girls are.. very small. very. but perfect for the micro!)

Also, I was on Play-Asia (they're already taking preorders for $170 usd ouch.) and I saw their list of features... one of which said: "Game stored on rewriteable media up to 1GB." Is this new? Possibility for an online browsing cache..? 1GB seems like a lot.. unless its actually 1Gb (128MB).

link: http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9h-49-en-70-17a2.html
 
Reality's Fringe]I agree with you there! Alas said:
The ports seem pretty decent to me. Midnight Club has a lot of loading, but is completley playable and very close to console version.

Xmen Legends 2 is simply better than the console versions!

But yeah, I'm not really into the PSP for ports (not that there is too much left afterwards) but I did enjoy Infected and well, Mercury to an extent. I am really anticipating Daxter though.

As for DS games, yes there are a lot of original games on it, but original doesnt always mean good!

And I just get too excited over RE games. I mean, the co-op is going to be very very fun. As soon as I let my friend know that it was a portable RE with co-op he ran out like a madman to get a DS and pre-order RE: DS, so when that comes out on the 8th, much fun will ensue.
[quote name='Strell']If you are buying the DS to play ports, you really have no goddamn clue.
I have played other games on it (Trauma Center, Advance Wars, and Sonic Rush)

All of those I have borrowed and only really liked Advance Wars. Sonic Rush was fun, but too short.

Trauma Center got a little...repetitive (IMO of course) so I only made it around halfway through that.
 
[quote name='DocRamon']they didn't change enough to make getting one worthwhile. stuff like this only looks bad to the customer, and gets some of the results we're seeing here... too many people, loyal nintendo fans, are pissed about it. they've opened the system up to a whole new market while shitting on the millions that picked one up already. doesn't seem smart to me.[/QUOTE]
Why should people who already have a DS be pissed? The DS lite contains all of the base functionality of the original, no more no less. There won't be any DS-lite specific games (or at least there shouldn't be), so this should have no effect at all on the happy DS owner.

This fixes the known problems, and opens the DS up to a whole new market. Existing DS owners aren't left out in the cold, and potential DS buyers who were on the fence just might be pushed into buying one.

It's win-win.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Why should people who already have a DS be pissed? The DS lite contains all of the base functionality of the original, no more no less. There won't be any DS-lite specific games (or at least there shouldn't be), so this should have no effect at all on the happy DS owner.

This fixes the known problems, and opens the DS up to a whole new market. Existing DS owners aren't left out in the cold, and potential DS buyers who were on the fence just might be pushed into buying one.

It's win-win.[/QUOTE]

your "no more no less" and "fix the known problems" thing contradicts itself. if there's problems that need to be fixed, then the people who aren't getting them fixed (those with the original model) have every reason to be pissed. they're left with an inferior model.

and yes, the base functionality is the same. but it's human nature to want the new shiny one. people that just got a DS, and even some that have had one since launch, i think have every reason to be upset that a new version is coming out so early on.
 
[quote name='botticus']The NES and SNES were released in multiple iterations in the US? I've never seen anything different. Or are we referring to Japanese redesigns?[/QUOTE]

There were two NES and two SNES models in the US.
 
DS Lite Set For America

"Following the earlier announcement of the new "DS Lite" revision to the DS hardware, Nintendo's Japanese parent has cleared up a few issues.

Although the product was announced in Japan, with no details given for international market, DS Lite will indeed be released in Europe and America. The company hasn't given a specific release date, only stating that the western markets can expect a release following Spring. This seems to suggest that a simultaneous release with the Japanese version (set for 3/2) is out.

There were also some questions about the fate of the current DS model. In Japan, Nintendo will continue to produce and sell the original model. The price of the original model will remain at its current 15,000 yen, 1,800 yen less than the 16,800 yen new model.

The DS Lite will be initially released to Japan in three colors, Nintendo reveals. In addition to the white color shown in the first pictures of the system, the company will release two yet unannounced colors.

Nintendo expects the DS to continue to perform well this year, both in old and new forms. Referring to the Japanese market, company president Satoru Iwata said to the Japanese press, "Taken as a whole with the current version, we're aiming at total domestic sales of 10,000,000 units not too late in the year." At the end of 2005, the DS had sold 5.7 million units in Japan.

We expect Nintendo's US division to provide further details on the US release of DS Lite in the not-so-distant future. Keep checking back here at IGNDS."

http://ds.ign.com/articles/683/683728p1.html
 
[quote name='DocRamon']your "no more no less" and "fix the known problems" thing contradicts itself. if there's problems that need to be fixed, then the people who aren't getting them fixed (those with the original model) have every reason to be pissed. they're left with an inferior model.
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The changes are largely cosmetic. Smaller. Sleeker. A slight rearranging to some buttons. A new hinge. All cosmetic.

The only true change that might be considered honestly "better" in terms of functionality is the brighter screen, and even that is not something that is needed versus wanted.

The SP and the Lite are in vastly different arenas and shouldn't be compared. I realize you didn't do this, but everyone is saying things like "the SP came out 2 years later, this comes 1 year later, wtf." The SP's inclusion of lighted screens was far more "needed" than what the Lite does - just looks nicer.

Barring all of that, if what you say is true - people just want the shinies - then you are admitting the Lite is nothing more than a shinies DS. If that is the case, there is no "inferior" model - there's a shiny one and a non-shiny one.

Finally, as far as "well everyone with a DS now got screwed" comment, that is laughable. We get games now. We can play them now. Now. Did I mention, we can play them now? Because I can play them now. I don't have to wait like the people waiting a month or more for the Lite. I can play them now. Like today. Like now.

And guess what - I'll take my launch DS and my copy of Phoenix Wright and be FAR happier than someone shelling out for a copy on eBay because they weren't paying attention because they were waiting for the Lite. That alone is more than worth it.

People need to learn the difference between normal marketplace procedures versus steps in technology.
 
What is the big deal about hating on the redesign. It is a fact of life with technology today. Phones, PDAs, Mp3 players, laptops, etc. all get redesigns frequently. Yet only Nintendo is the bad guy. Please.

For example, in the DS's lifespan;

Apple has

Revised the high capacity iPod twice
Revised the mini-once, discontinued it and replaced it with the Nano
Revised the iMac twice

Creative has

Revised the Zen Micro 3X
Revised the Zen 3-4X.



When a company takes the opportunity to a.) address their customers complaints b.) make a product better c.) make a product more stylish, I don't have a problem. Hell without redesign, we'd all still be playing the Gameboy brick. Evolution is good (even if it isn't alway cheap.) and all of our DSes will work after the new one is out.
 
There's a shell of the Lite floating around NOA somewhere. I wants me pictures of that to see what it looks like instead of the horrible render NCL put up.

Anyway I think it is kinda crappy they did introduce this at the time they did. Seems somewhat pre-mature imo. I don't think I would've minded if it was a year or so from now that they showed it off, but the DS is a money printer right now so I guess they're striking while the iron is hot.
 
[quote name='Strell']The changes are largely cosmetic. Smaller. Sleeker. A slight rearranging to some buttons. A new hinge. All cosmetic.

Barring all of that, if what you say is true - people just want the shinies - then you are admitting the Lite is nothing more than a shinies DS. If that is the case, there is no "inferior" model - there's a shiny one and a non-shiny one.[/QUOTE]

i understand that the changes are cosmetic. hence me saying "they didn't change enough to make getting one worthwhile." but it's like you're saying that people who currently own a DS shouldn't want this new one because it's more or less the same thing. that's like saying that people shouldn't buy newer TV sets... it's all the same picture, in the end.

[quote name='Strell']Finally, as far as "well everyone with a DS now got screwed" comment, that is laughable. We get games now. We can play them now. Now. Did I mention, we can play them now? Because I can play them now. I don't have to wait like the people waiting a month or more for the Lite. I can play them now. Like today. Like now.

And guess what - I'll take my launch DS and my copy of Phoenix Wright and be FAR happier than someone shelling out for a copy on eBay because they weren't paying attention because they were waiting for the Lite. That alone is more than worth it.[/QUOTE]

first off, you don't need to be an ass. i've been through that with you before, if i'm not mistaken and guess what... i still don't appreciate it.

second, do you really have no understanding for others? i'm glad you don't feel screwed, but i can see why some people would. can you really not?
 
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Strell: anyway you can change your Avatar? I hate it so much; in fact i makes me want to stay out of the topic completely. Am I the only one? pleeeeaze strell - love you otherwise...
 
hopefully this will tell Sony to release some more color for PSP stateside also.. I want cooler color PSP..sony bring it on.. oh the new DS is nice.. I'll definitely get it sometime along the line.. but i'll keep my old DS for now.. when the bigger improvement arrive i can water-down my DS to family member i guess :)
 
Wildnuts: :( But I HD, more inputs, upscaling, etc - then we're talking entirely different reasons for an upgrade. Like if this Lite had an analog stick. That would segment the market, which to me seems more worthwhile to be pissed off about.

And while I can understand why people think they are screwed, I think their justification/validation/whatever is weak at best. Very weak. You accept the tradeoff when you buy it of being able to play a game now versus the possibility of a revision later on. I can't wait for the PSP SP - better analog, better battery life, etc. Would people have a right to be upset then? Sure, but again, that's the tradeoff. Like getting a $500 video card that, in 2 months, will be $300.

Again, there is a difference between legitimate hardware revision versus cosmetic upgrades. GBA->SP? Pretty valid - clamshell + lightest screen = FTW. But DS -> Lite? Hardly. Smaller and lighter.

I have a launch DS. Within a few months it was 20 bucks cheaper AND there were deals with free games and/or accessories. Not to mention a lot of the games I've been getting on launch date or close to it - at least a $5 reduction within a month. Granted, I know software is not the same as hardware, but it's the tradeoff issue more simply illustrated. But again, I got Phoenix Wright for 30 sealed, where as people now are jumping on the bandwagon and complaining about how it's OOP.

The thing about people is that they want to phrase it in such a way that they are losing out, no matter what the outcome. If you get the first DS, you are screwed because the Lite is sexier. If you get the Lite, you miss out on games.

In both instances you get SOMETHING, and the introduction of the other DOES NOT NEGATE the previous incarnation. It's not like the original DS is going to die the second the Lite comes out, and it's not like the DS overshadows the Lite (what a terrible unintended pun). Don't think of it as LOSING something. Think of it as a compliment, if anything.

Finally, I think the only people with legimiate reasons to complain are those who got a DS within, say, the last month or so. There should be a grace period most definitely. But again, if I concede that, then my argument falls apart entirely. So I can't quite give myself entirely to that idea.
 
[quote name='DocRamon']first off, you don't need to be an ass. i've been through that with you before, if i'm not mistaken and guess what... i still don't appreciate it.

second, do you really have no understanding for others? i'm glad you don't feel screwed, but i can see why some people would. can you really not?[/QUOTE]

Chill out, dude. All he did was state a truth - that he can play DS games now, has been able to for more than a year now, and will continue to be able to once the redesign comes out.

Personally, I do NOT see why anyone could feel screwed. Nintendo is not your friend. Nintendo did not blow you off for a hot girl. Nintendo did not invite you to a birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese's but leave you out of the sleep-over. Nintendo did not buy you socks for Christmas.

Nintendo DID come out with a portable gaming system that sold like gangbusters and made them a lot of money. A year later, they reviewed complaints from those that bought a DS, as well as those that "would buy a DS, but...", and redesigned it accordingly, likely in the hopes that they would make even more money.

Even more of my money. :wall:
 
[quote name='Strell']Change happens. Get over it. Your only screwed if you don't buy the system at all. This is a slight upgrade in form, but not a change in function.[/QUOTE]

That's the short version, I believe :)
 
[quote name='DocRamon']second, do you really have no understanding for others? i'm glad you don't feel screwed, but i can see why some people would. can you really not?[/QUOTE]

Based on a probably poll on Kotaku.com, of the 740 votes so far of people who have bought a DS, 75% said that they are "delighted" by the new version. So, based on this poll, the overwhelming majority feel positively towards the change.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ds/ds-lite-poll-yay-or-nay-150906.php

As many people have said before, updates are just a way of life in the electronic's world. It's a calculated risk you always take - so you either take it or hold out indefinitely.
 
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