eBay won't let sellers leave negative feedback for buyers, starting May

Last time I sold stuff on ebay, they pretty much charged me what I made. The balance is still outstanding, because it's less than $20. Still, nice to know I can clear out junk from my house, and let ebay make a few dollars in the process.
 
So perhaps eBay shouldn't make changes on the feedback but actually use all that fucking money they get from FVF fees and get some people to moderate abuse, and actually stay on top of it.

eBay wants to have a feedback system where they do not have to moderate it, just the have customer service reps who respond to emails about problems, and 9/10 don't even awnser your question or help your problem.

Actually take some time, obviously a fully automated eBay system is not working. eBay does not moderate feedback unless a user brings it to their attention .. get off your asses eBay and quit being greedy.

I quote what one user off eBay said:

"The day eBay does not allow me to leave a negative feedback to a buyer, is the day I no longer sell on eBay."

I couldn't agree more.
 
[quote name='iazybandit']Uhh any site does allows feedbacks has the same system. CAG has it too. I can leave you negative feedback and you can retaliate with one also. Its how people abuse the system. Not the system abusing the system.[/quote]

Except i would delete the retaliatory feedback if thats what it was, and ebay wouldn't ;)
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Except i would delete the retaliatory feedback if thats what it was, and ebay wouldn't ;)[/quote]

See, my point exactly! Get some one to moderate the feedback system .. if it's fully automated abuse is guranteed.
 
[quote name='Herbsnverbs']That is exactly what I have been saying. At first I was thrilled over the new feedback system because I will not have to worry about retalation feedback from a seller, when I leave a negative for recieving a fucked up product.

However, now eBay buyers will have zero interest in working out any issues w/ a seller as they can just negative. I have a couple friends who are eBay power sellers and they've explained to me how sometimes shipping accidents, DOA items etc happen alot more to them, then me who just sells stuff I do not need on eBay. I am afraid now this make any eBay buyer not really make an effort to let the seller make good on the transaction as they will just right off the bat leave a negative.

Not to mention some of the "pre-k" eBayers who like the lines: "Do what I say or I will leave negative feedback". eBay sellers are in for a world of feedback blackmail! :applause:

Edit:

It seems alot of eBay sellers feel the same way as we do. A petition for not listing any items through the week of Feb 18th due to the feedback change is up.

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.j...ticache=1202335464552&anticache=1202407856097



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So essentially it works EXACTLY like Amazon now. You might as well just list your stuff there and only pay a chuck IF it sells. Though the breed that buy from sellers on Amazon are an amazingly awesome lot.
 
Even though Half.com is owned by eBay, its structure is vastly different and much less of a hassle for me.

I have 20 or so listings on there at all times (old books and games). The fee is pretty reasonable and I don't have to worry about fees if my item doesn't sell.

eBay sucks for sellers and now it's going to suck even more.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I have 20 or so listings on there at all times (old books and games). The fee is pretty reasonable and I don't have to worry about fees if my item doesn't sell.[/quote]

How has Half been? I figure it doesn't get too much traffic and stuff might sit on it for some time.
 
[quote name='kell']How has Half been? I figure it doesn't get too much and stuff might sit on it for some time.[/quote]

I'd be interested in this too, especially since it uses ebay's feedback.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, I know some buyers can be completely unreasonable asses; on the other, my only negative (1 of 108) was from a seller that sold me a broken product and ignored my emails for two weeks.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rid=bloodbooger&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&page=4

They need to spend a few dollars on moderators to do it right. If anything, I'm typically not getting feedback at all lately.
 
I though half.com was a branch off of eBay but it was only for books, am I thinking of the wrong thing?

Do I have to re-register on half.com or can I use my eBay name and everything ..
 
Hahaha, awesome.

I hear all of you baaawwwwwing, but it is a fact that many sellers have grossly abused the feedback system by leaving spiteful retaliatory feedback. It was only a matter of time before something like this had to happen.
 
The door swings both ways when it comes to retaliation. Rather than making it so you can't leave a negative, they really should come up with a way for someone to appeal it, maybe as a buyer since they seemed so focused on that.
 
[quote name='Chanash']Ugh as a part-time ebay(er). This isn't fun...Im sure it will be great in the long run for people buying, but it helps the crooked people. Although I am glad it's fixing one side of the issue, now they need to fix the sellers issues...I cannot leave negative feedback without F'in my 100%. In fact I have never left any negative feedback, where I should have...out of 400ish transactions I have had a dozen people no pay, and some took weeks to pay me.

Although as a seller I know I might be an exception (I bubble wrap everything, I even make my items sound not as good on the description so I don't get my buyers hopes up. If someone is in Pristine condition I will just label it as good, with minor game play. When in reality it's freaking immaculate. I do this so I don't get screwed when they get it and go BUT YOU SAID IT WAS

Whereas there are sellers out there who are only out to get your money and sell defective products and threaten you with negative feedback and whatnot.[/QUOTE]


I am with you here. Since 2003 430 feedback 100% positive. All 4.9 or better on the new star system.

I am very close to exact on shipping costs and do my best to atek care of people. This is a deterrent thats for sure. When do the final value fees go up? I need to dump a paintball gun before it does.
 
What feedback system doesn't allow for abuse? One that's moderated. I could leave you 80 negative feedbacks on CAG right now but if we didn't even have one transaction, they would be removed. If we had a transaction on eBay and you sold me some shoddy shit, I'd give you a neg and then you'd give me one in retaliation. I get penalized for you being a crook and no one fixes that. As such, abuse will happen, but the system really DOES suck.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Hahaha, awesome.

I hear all of you baaawwwwwing, but it is a fact that many sellers have grossly abused the feedback system by leaving spiteful retaliatory feedback. It was only a matter of time before something like this had to happen.[/quote]

As others have already said, abuse goes both ways. I have run into a buyer or two who tried to threaten me with bad feedback, which for a very small time seller like myself (I only have a 25 feedback rating) can really hurt my future dealings.

You can say it is "awesome" and claim we're crying, but I doubt you will find it all that amusing when good deals dry up on eBay, thanks to no one but large scale sellers wanting to deal with this crap.

A moderated system, as has been suggested, would be the best option. Considering the increased FVF % they want to charge, they should put that money
 
Bad for sellers good for buyers. I think it's unfair because both the buyer and seller could've had a bad experience yet only the buyer can leave neg feedback? Are you kidding me? That's total bs. Even though I don't like the idea, I guess it's not so bad since your feedback will only count every 12 months.

And the feedback abuse goes both ways, now they're just giving more power to buyers, leaving room for them to threaten the seller. Totally ridiculous, I may sell less on ebay now.
 
This may be creating a buyers market but when the sellers start getting fucked by the idiots, theyll stop selling.

They already killed the dollar item sellers market...wtf are they thinking.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Except i would delete the retaliatory feedback if thats what it was, and ebay wouldn't ;)[/QUOTE]
True.
[quote name='Herbsnverbs']See, my point exactly! Get some one to moderate the feedback system .. if it's fully automated abuse is guranteed.[/QUOTE]
All that money eBay is making and you would think they'll hire someone to do it. One way for us sellers to spend more money (as if the final value fee and paypal fee wasnt enought), SquareTrade. If a buyer leaves negative feedback, file a complaint with SquareTrade, it will mediate the situation. If they dont respond or what not or find the buyer at fault, it will contact eBay and have them remove the feedback. I guess you can consider them a moderator but with the cost of paying them either $35 per mediation or monthly fee.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Yeah, I'd have to agree. Any site that allows feedback is susceptible to abuse. At the very least, though, there is generally a semblance of balance. Sellers will always be hurt more by a negative than buyers, but still, people usually want to avoid any bad feedback, no matter what end of the deal they are on. Now, buyers will have an absolute upper hand on sellers over at eBay. Not to pile on and beat the dead horse, but that's just awful business. Without sellers, eBay is useless.[/QUOTE]

I'm surprised at how long it takes for so many people to realize eBay sucks and not worth the hassle even before the new changes are in place. I really miss the eBay back in the late 90s where it was a fun site not only to sell for supplemental incomes, but also buy things, exchange hobbies with others. In those days, frauds, scams, and ripoffs were rare. I was even chatting with some buyers/sellers about the systems and games (I was specializing in LaserActive, Neo-Geo, Dreamcast, but I was also buying other systems too).

But gradually the site evolved into something like (everything worsens gradually) this

-continuously increasing fees (not the biggest problem if services are great).
-competition and saturation of sellers' markets (ok, it's beyond eBay's control but they made it worse for everyone), in most cases, results are decreases in bid prices.
-forcing all sellers and buyers alike to use Paypal, effective doubling fees for sellers.
-increase in scams, fraud, ripoffs (amazingly many come from Paypal) many folds, if not exponentially, most obvious one is chargeback.
-incredible amount of deadbeat bidders not following through.
-sabotage and back stabbing by your competing sellers by ruining your auctions.
-shift from occasional sellers offering rare items/collectibles to common merchandise from power sellers, what's the point of online auction?

So I quit selling on eBay in 2004, but I was still buying, and I have also noticed steady declines of quantities and qualities of specialty items and sellers (in terms of service). If you have sold enough items, within a period of time you should be able to establish yourself and go on your own, for example I had a LaserActive group in Yahoo and I was able to sell a lot of items without bother using eBay, but I stopped later when I pursued other lucrative careers in insurance, or if you sell more common items, you can use eBay to build up client basis and siphoned them to your own online stores. Either way, there's little reason to use eBay (same for buying as you go to hobby sites for deals, local stores for more common items once eBay becomes too much hassle).


[quote name='KSHLove']Bad for sellers good for buyers.[/QUOTE]

Think again, when more sellers leave, and I find hardly anything I want, I stop buying too. As mentioned earlier, when you take a look at Dreamcast games for examples, later on I saw more sellers who resealed games and claimed they're new, whom are they trying to fool? Another thing that really bugs me is why (also increasingly) do more sellers insist on paying using Paypal? By sending them cash, money orders, even checks (I was willing to wait until they clear), you get more out of your items. Even for buying, I refuse to send via Paypal, I recently closed my account when someone logged in and added another email to my account. You'll be biggest sucker if you want to get verified and give them your bank account, that means no protections at all, with CC at least you have a chance to file dispute.


[quote name='Herbsnverbs']I though half.com was a branch off of eBay but it was only for books, am I thinking of the wrong thing?Do I have to re-register on half.com or can I use my eBay name and everything .. [/QUOTE]

You can sell games, consoles, CD/DVD/ books, most items with bar codes, a few distinct advantages-

1. When sales are initiated, payments are guaranteed as buyers charge their credit cards to make the purchase, for more expensive items, I'd advise sellers to hold items for 3 days and make sure it's not paid through stolen credit card, watch this when the buyer is newly registered.
2. No paypal involved, every 7th or the 21st of the month they'll wire the money to your bank account.
3. Listings are free and they last forever.

I still have items listed there and items get sold sporadically, it's one of the few things eBay did right. God forbids if Mr. Donahoe wants to make things better for half.com (sarcasm) and start charging fees for listings, I and many others will delete items there in no time and that'd be the end of eBay.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Hahaha, awesome.

I hear all of you baaawwwwwing, but it is a fact that many sellers have grossly abused the feedback system by leaving spiteful retaliatory feedback. It was only a matter of time before something like this had to happen.[/QUOTE]

The problem is many legit/good sellers have left, making the buying experience even more unpleasant, the funniest example was during PS3 launch when all the scums and douche bags trying to turn around PS3 on eBay for massive profits, when the prices fall near or even retail level, it was no surprise that those people won't honor the auction prices.
 
[quote name='vincewy']God forbids if Mr. Donahoe wants to make things better for half.com (sarcasm) and start charging fees for listings, I and many others will delete items there in no time and that'd be the end of eBay.[/quote]

The only way I would keep with half.com if they introduced listing fees is if the 15% final fee dropped, fees were cheap, and the listings were permanent.
 
If paypal holds a sellers money for 21 days..buyers can expect to have their items not shipped for 21 days. That isn't going to work paypal/ebay.

Amazon fees will still be higher than ebay as they take 15% of what the game sells for plus 99 cents for the listing if your item sells but it is a lot quicker/easier to list there.

Negative or neutral feedback should not be left until some sort of communication is made between buyer and seller. Buyer files an item not received or signifigantly not as described and then the two parties can work out the deatils. If after this no conclusion can be met then the buyer should leave the feedback. "What we've got here is...failure to communicate".

Ebay R.I.P.
or not
 
[quote name='ChuckyDJ']If paypal holds a sellers money for 21 days..buyers can expect to have their items not shipped for 21 days. That isn't going to work paypal/ebay.

Amazon fees will still be higher than ebay as they take 15% of what the game sells for plus 99 cents for the listing if your item sells but it is a lot quicker/easier to list there.

Negative or neutral feedback should not be left until some sort of communication is made between buyer and seller. Buyer files an item not received or signifigantly not as described and then the two parties can work out the deatils. If after this no conclusion can be met then the buyer should leave the feedback. "What we've got here is...failure to communicate".

Ebay R.I.P.
or not[/QUOTE]
As stated, eBay gives you 3 ways to get your payment faster and released from hold. The best one being, providing tracking number of package. You should be shipping with tracking number to begin with. Buyer pays, eBay is holding your payment for how ever many days until you meet one of their requirements and payment is released to you. Buyer is not held responsible for eBay holding your payment. if anything, you're just screwing up your record even more by holding it for 21 days.
 
From a business perspective I think escrowing is a good idea that protects buyers. It might get some of the lazy sellers off their asses to ship items sooner.

I have always thought escrowing payments was the best way to handle person-to-person transactions and it should have been done from the beginning. Unfortunately, it represents a negative change for sellers.
 
I understand what ebay is doing with the fb I do not like it but I understand. There is no doubt that sellers will get more negatives from buyers come May most buyers are not crooks but delays or damage during delivery do happen. Under the new fb system buyers will have no reason to withhold fb even if the seller is doing everything possible to make the situation right.

My problem with the fb system is ebay suspending sellers that get a certain percentage neg or neutrals in a month. Why do they not count transactions where no fb was left?

The 21 day PayPal hold on payments is ludicrous.
 
[quote name='CGH']The 21 day PayPal hold on payments is ludicrous.[/QUOTE]
AGAIN! If you ship a product out with delivery confirmation and you provide the number, you'll get your payment. That is one of the requirements if you dont want your payment to be held


http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/rewardsfaq/index.html#27
Occasional holds on payment
27. Which sellers will have their payments held?
In a small percentage of cases where it has been determined the risk of dissatisfied buyers is higher, PayPal may delay release of the payment funds to the seller until the buyer has left a positive feedback or 21 days have passed without a dispute, claim, chargeback or reversal filed on that transaction.

To determine if a transaction may have a higher risk of dissatisfied buyers, eBay reports to PayPal a number of factors, including but not limited to:

* Seller's % Positive Feedback in the last 30 days
* Seller's Detailed Seller Ratings in the last 30 days
* Final price for the item
* Shipping & handling fee
* Seller's eBay tenure as an eBay member
* Seller's total number of Feedback

28. How will I know that my payment is being held?
Payments that are held will be shown as "pending" in your PayPal balance. PayPal will send an email notifying you when the hold is released. PayPal Money Market Fund customers will continue to receive income for amounts that are being held in your account.
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29. When will PayPal release the eBay item hold?
PayPal will release the hold when the earliest of the following occurs:

* the buyer leaves positive feedback,
* 3 days after confirmed item delivery* or
* 21 days without a dispute, claim, chargeback, or reversal filed on that transaction.

* This applies to US domestic transactions that are shipped by USPS or FedEx and either (i) use PayPal shipping labels to ship items or (ii) upload tracking information to PayPal via the transaction details page.
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If you dont meet the requirements of #30 (below), just ship with tracking and you'll have your payment within 3 days.

30. What can I do to avoid having eBay item holds?
Your payments WILL BE NOT HELD if you meet all the following requirements:

* eBay Tenure: Greater than 6-months
* Total Feedback score: More than 100
* Dissatisfied Buyers %: Less than 5%

Or if you meet all the following requirements:

* Detailed Seller Rating: Greater than 4.5
* Total Detailed Seller Ratings Recieved: More than 20 in the last 12-months
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If you meet #30, you have nothing to worry about and there is no hold

31. How can I minimize the chances of having my payments held?

* Improve your DSR feedback ratings, and
* Implement best practices to reduce buyer disputes, claims and chargebacks and if they do occur-resolve them quickly and to your buyer's satisfaction.

32. Why is the payment being held for up to 21 days?
eBay and PayPal are working together to help increase buyer satisfaction which, in turn, can mean more sales for you. We have found that after 21 days the chance of a buyer dispute or claim significantly decreases.
33. Will my payments be held if I have excellent buyer satisfaction, but sell in risky categories?
If you sell in the categories of gift certificates, video games, cell phones, computers or consumer electronics, your listings for those items must offer either PayPal or merchant credit card as an accepted form of payment. However, your payments WILL BE NOT HELD if you meet all the following measures:

* eBay Tenure: Greater than 6-months
* Total Feedback score: More than 100
* Dissatisfied Buyers %: Less than 5%
* Detailed Seller Rating: Greater than 4.5
* Total Detailed Seller Ratings Recieved: More than 20 in the last 12-months
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34. What should I do if a payment is subject to an eBay item hold?
PayPal will release the hold when the earliest of the following occurs:

* the buyer leaves positive feedback
* 3 days after confirmed item delivery*
* 21 days without a dispute, claim, chargeback or reversal filed on that transaction.

Once the buyer has paid for the item, ship it. Funds are released as soon as a buyer leaves positive feedback. The faster you get their purchase to the buyer, the faster they can leave you feedback.

*Funds are also released within 3 days of confirmed item delivery. This applies to US domestic transactions that are shipped by USPS or FedEx and either (i) use PayPal shipping labels to ship items or (ii) upload tracking information to PayPal via the transaction details page. So fast shipping helps you here too.
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This is all you need to know. If you dont meet the requirements of #30, ship item with delivery confirmation and you'll have your payment released in 3 days. Second would be buyer leaving feedback and some buyers dont even leave feedback. Last option would be to wait 21 days. Again, ship the item with tracking and you're good.

BTW, you should be shipping your products with tracking in anyways so I dont know why this is such a big deal. This will help buyers from getting screwed from bad sellers. But if you're a seller and you meet the requirements of #30, you have nothing to worry about.
 
20 cent listing day TODAY (Weds) - get that stuff sold before the FVFs get jacked up. This is why I don't like the slight decrease in listing fees coupled with the huge increase in FVF fees - you could generally wait for a 10 or 20 cent listing day to do most sales so a small decrease in regular listing fees is pretty meaningless.

I thought as eBay grew and got more volume of sales fees ought to decrease, not go up... Oh well...

As for the feedback thing, meh, it is annoying for sure but I'm ratcheting down my sales anyway so if some jackass wants to scam me via feedback blackmail screw 'em... Though it does suck in that feedback is 100x more important to a seller than a buyer - negative feedback that is. You pretty much can't exclude anyone with a negative on their record from buying (unless their overall score is less than 0) but buyers can easily avoid sellers with a few negs...
 
[quote name='jlarlee']Thats 3 days after delivery so more than likely your funds will be held for at least a week[/quote]

I hold the money in my account for at least a week, anyway, in case there is a problem, so I still don't have any issue.
 
[quote name='Herbsnverbs']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-n2YWwXUKY

Found this video someone made over the new eBay feedback system .. lol it's pretty amusing.

Edit:

After reading all the links and stuff, it says the new feedback system does not start until May, I'll finish selling some stuff I need to get rid of and then after that .. all video game stuff/movie stuff/ entertainment crap can stick to forums like CAG, GTZ, TGN etc ..[/QUOTE]



dont forget about amazon marketplace
 
this rule doesnt affect me at all. When someone is a non paying bidder, i leave them POSITIVE feedback so they have absolutely no reason to retaliate.

I think almost all of you are missing the obvious: BUYING FEEDBACK IS MEANINGLESS.

My buying feedback is horrendous. And yet I can still bid on whatever i want using sniping software. If a seller sends me a game that was described, "game and case" in auction, and i get a disc only game and get no response, then i leave neutral FB and get a neg in retaliation. That is how ebay feedback works, and i am proud to say my buying feedback is horrendous.

I am more than a little shocked that sellers are getting worked up because they cant leave a buyer negative FB. Leaving a buyer negative feedback accomplishes nothing, if you get scammed, then leaving them a neg wont get your money back, and it wont prevent future sellers from getting scammed by that buyer. the buyer can just keep using sniping software or open another account, so their buying feedback is absolutely and totally meaningless. I find that 200 page thread on the ebay forums laughable.

edit. i hope loads of sellers leave. that will mean more buyers are bidding on my auctions
 
21 day hold for PayPal is still a joke no matter how you want to spin it.

Oh well now all of my sales will go to Amazon instead of half, good job eBay.
 
[quote name='braindeadalive']21 day hold for PayPal is still a joke no matter how you want to spin it.[/quote]



edit
OK i just read that the 21 day waiting period wont apply to me. So yeah this really doesnt change anything for me. And if there is a mass exodus of ebay sellers that is great, more bids for my items, and junk will sell for even more money
 
[quote name='KSHLove']anyone boycotting ebay? If so there's a boycott going around feb 18-25

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=1000636290&start=0[/QUOTE]

Boycott is meanningless unless everyone (buyers/sellers alike) does this for 3 months, the best solution is simply quit like I did a few years ago. After numerous scams and horror stories about Paypal I ran away from selling like a plague on eBay (it was bad enough a few years ago), I'm amazed that after so many scams, horror stories people continue to sell on eBay for almost no profit and high risk of chargebacks, when will people finally wake up? Even for buying I won't be within a million miles of Paypal, too much risk for getting hacked.

If you don't think it'll get worse, watch the number of chargebacks skyrocket after May sice sellers can no longer leave negative feedbacks, unless you're a masochist enjoy getting abused/ripped off by eBay and buyers or are planning to rip people off and not ship anything or dumping garbage, anyone with a bit of common sense would pull the plug on eBay now.
 
[quote name='vincewy']I'm amazed that after so many scams, horror stories people continue to sell on eBay for almost no profit and high risk of chargebacks, when will people finally wake up? Even for buying I won't be within a million miles of Paypal, too much risk for getting hacked.[/quote]

I still use it for now since I need to sell off all of my old old games (NES, Genesis, etc), and eBay seems like the best place to list it. I've never liked using Classified ads and whatnot, and since stores don't take the games/systems anymore (not like they'd give anything decent for em anyway) ebay is basically my only choice.

Once I sell off these old games and systems, I doubt I'll use ebay anymore. So I'm hoping I can have no big issues until I am done with it.
 
[quote name='dracula']this rule doesnt affect me at all. When someone is a non paying bidder, i leave them POSITIVE feedback so they have absolutely no reason to retaliate.

I think almost all of you are missing the obvious: BUYING FEEDBACK IS MEANINGLESS.

My buying feedback is horrendous. And yet I can still bid on whatever i want using sniping software. If a seller sends me a game that was described, "game and case" in auction, and i get a disc only game and get no response, then i leave neutral FB and get a neg in retaliation. That is how ebay feedback works, and i am proud to say my buying feedback is horrendous.

I am more than a little shocked that sellers are getting worked up because they cant leave a buyer negative FB. Leaving a buyer negative feedback accomplishes nothing, if you get scammed, then leaving them a neg wont get your money back, and it wont prevent future sellers from getting scammed by that buyer. the buyer can just keep using sniping software or open another account, so their buying feedback is absolutely and totally meaningless. I find that 200 page thread on the ebay forums laughable.

edit. i hope loads of sellers leave. that will mean more buyers are bidding on my auctions[/QUOTE]

Unless you have a buying id and then a seller ID I cant see how this makes sense?

Feedback is feedback, I never look to see if its buyer or seller feedback, If you have a low score i stay away.
 
I told this to one of their "VeRO" members. He didn't believe me. After showing him the page on eBay with the changes, he believed it was only for retaliatory feedback.
 
eBay was clever though - that last 20 cent listing day was on Wednesday so many auctions will be ending tomorrow with the new, higher fees, in effect. The rat bastards... Mine were all BIN and most have ended but I will probably have a few end tomorrow. We'll have to see how it goes. But I won't list anything for a while afterwards.
 
^yup probably their plan all along. I'm already beginning to hate the new ebay even though the fees still haven't taken effect. I won't be listing for a while too.
 
[quote name='io']eBay was clever though - that last 20 cent listing day was on Wednesday so many auctions will be ending tomorrow with the new, higher fees, in effect. The rat bastards... Mine were all BIN and most have ended but I will probably have a few end tomorrow. We'll have to see how it goes. But I won't list anything for a while afterwards.[/quote]

I woouldn't doubt it. Hopefully they don't charge those FVF to auctions that were made before that date. That would be a scheme in my opinion.
 
I read in the ebay forums that auctions starting before the new fees date(20th) would have the old FVF's no matter when they ended. So even if your items end during the new fee week but started during the old fee structure, you dont pay the higher FVF.
 
[quote name='addicted2games']I read in the ebay forums that auctions starting before the new fees date(20th) would have the old FVF's no matter when they ended. So even if your items end during the new fee week but started during the old fee structure, you dont pay the higher FVF.[/QUOTE]

D'oh! Had I known that I would have listed a few things on the weekend. Oh well, I guess since I have nothing up now I'll participate in the "boycott" and list some stuff with the new free Gallery pictures (whoo-hoo! :roll:) afterwards.

I got another email from them today saying there are some "perks" for being a good seller - ie, having good star ratings in feedback: an "advantage" in Best Match search results, multiple feedback from single buyers counts (for repeat business), and feedback over 12 months old will not count towards your percentage.

None of that makes much difference to me, though I suppose it is nice that if a buyer scams me with a neg on the new "no retaliation" policy then in 12 months it will go away ;). But in any case, I'm ramping down my eBay sales (independent of these eBay changes - they just make it easier to walk away). It just has not been worth the trouble in general though it has been nice for certain things (it is great for breaking up bundles and getting rid of stuff you don't want while keeping things you do - got the Vision Camera for free, for example, from the TRU sale after ebaying the 12-month subscription code).
 
Those perks are only for powersellers, which sucks for those who just sell a little each month.

It's almost impossible to have the 4.8 requirement in all categories. I have 3 4.9's and a 4.8 and that is with me telling all buyers when I receive payment and when the item will be sent plus Paypal sends an e-mail with the DC number adn that still isn't good enough for a 5.0. Not that it matters since I'll never be a powerseller.

I listed some stuff yesterday since it was in place with the old fees. After those end, I might just use Half.com or Amazon. I'm leaning towards Half.com even though it's owned by EBay since I have a reputation (feedback) that I don't have on Amazon, unless Half.com has the same stupid no negative for buyers feedback as well.
 
I'm an ebay powerseller, I have almost 5000 feedback and have been sitting at 99.6% feedback for a long time. I leave positive feedback for every single buyer as soon as they pay, so every person that buys from me can leave a negative feedback without threat of retaliation. Do I get negatives or neutrals? Once in a while, yes, but rarely...because if you're a GOOD seller...you have nothing to worry about.
 
So does this mean the feedback change will only be on sales completed AFTER the feedback update. Or is it I could buy something prior to the change, wait until after the feedback change, and leave a seller a negative and still not get the retalation feedback?
 
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