EGM: Hold off on that Xbox 360 Purchase
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BlaqRenaissance
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The 2 main reasons why I have not pre-ordered a 360 and won't be getting one for a long time are:
1. I haven't seen anything that makes me want to shell out $400+ to play it. Have some things looked impressive? Yes, but nothing has wowed me enough to get a new console.
2. There are a ton of xbox and ps2 games I have yet to try out.
Will I get one? Of course. Do I need one at launch-- absolutely not.
1. I haven't seen anything that makes me want to shell out $400+ to play it. Have some things looked impressive? Yes, but nothing has wowed me enough to get a new console.
2. There are a ton of xbox and ps2 games I have yet to try out.
Will I get one? Of course. Do I need one at launch-- absolutely not.
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I don't think the Xbox 360 will be a failure at all, and I love the games in the "launch window" line-up. Also, I prefer playing games on consoles despite the fact that my PC is more than adequet. I just think it's a $100 over-priced, should have backwards compatiblity, and a standard HDD.
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[quote name='Scorch']I don't get why people are so excited about PS3.. nothing in-game was shown, just CG..[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because people like Kojima are liars when they say it's not pre-rendered.
Yeah, because people like Kojima are liars when they say it's not pre-rendered.
[quote name='Scorch']Wow. He honestly put "it can show pics and play movie clips" as a reason to buy. That's amazing. This guy's got to be the biggest Sony fanboy there is. Sony was just sooo amazing with Fantavision, too bad the 360 won't have a killer app like that![/QUOTE]
History will show Fantavision for the ground-breaking, life altering experience that it is.
History will show Fantavision for the ground-breaking, life altering experience that it is.
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[quote name='Scorch']You're not even old enough to work at most places, so i'm going to guess that you're an only child with parents that spoil you. Don't take that as an insult, I don't know of one person here that wouldn't want to be spoiled.
Your prior argument is something that people debate about day in and day out. There's no real answer to it. The XB360 is more user friendly than a PC (since about 1% of the board even knows the significance of a "7800 GTX's SLI'd with 2 Athlon FX-55's" means). But I can see your argument. While the graphics will always be better on the PC, not everyone can afford an $1800 rig, so I think people would be more willing to spend $400 on a system and $60 on games and play with their buddies than $1800 on a PC and going through all that stuff.
Bottom line: You just can't compare PC gaming to any console gaming, PC gaming will win every time. It's an unfair comparison, kinda like a car to a bicycle.[/QUOTE]
I think you can get close to high end quality games from the 360, but it takes a great developer to who is willling to go that little extra length to get it right. I think as the development of the 360 becomes more familiar to and as time goes on developers will be able make games atleast 60-70% of the time that will rival what PC versions of those can do, and there may even be some games that are as good as their PC counterparts.
There was a Sep 30th TeamXBOX article were the editor visited Activision to play COD 2 PC & 360 hands on and they compare the PC to 360 version with them sitting along side each other.
http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1197/Call-of-Duty-2/p1/
In it they went onto says:
Having been able to see both the PC version and the Xbox 360 version running side by side I can easily that it appears as though the Xbox 360 version comes out on top with a hefty framerate of 60fps while the PC version is currently running at the standard 30fps. The Xbox 360 version also appeared to have a bit more textural detail, which was more noticeable within the interiors of some of the buildings, which play a major role throughout the game. In every mission we played, there are a lot of situations that will require players to maneuver through buildings to clear them of enemies while also scouting for tactical vantage points and so on. The heightened level of detail also gave the Xbox 360 a nice boost as far as authenticity and realism goes, helping to further the sense of immersion while playing the game. It also seemed as though the Xbox 360 did a little bit better job of showing off some of the game’s special effects, particularly those concerning the use of smoke which also plays a key role in the gameplay. While playing through a mission called “Repairing the Wire” which took place in the cold Russian city of Stalingrad, I even overheard one of the members of the media covering the PC version mention they had never seen anything like the smoke effects being shown on the Xbox 360.
The fact of the matter is that Infinity Ward has created smoke effects like nothing you have ever seen before in any videogame on the planet. Call of Duty 2 has definitely raised the bar, which is sure to set the new standard of what all smoke effects from this point on will aim towards. In most games that employ heavy use of smoke grenades and effects such as Counter-Strike, they present players with little more than a distortion in the view that still allows players to make out their surroundings. To this point the level of confusion caused by tossing a smoke grenade hasn’t really been questioned, even though some games that I won’t shame by mentioning employ smoke effects that look like nothing more than grey curtains that gradually fade away over a period of time. Call of Duty 2 doesn’t just take smoke grenades to another level, it reinvents them in the combat scenario. With highly advanced particle systems in place that the Xbox 360 handles easily, the smoke effects of Call of Duty 2 are not only confusing but blinding. Imagine walking into the middle of a storm cloud and not knowing which direction was right or left, or up and down for that matter. It’s very much like not being able to see your hand in front of your face, or in this case the barrel of your gun as it peers through the smoke. There were a number of instances where we would literally be a few feet away from the enemy and have no idea they were there until our gun barrels bumped into each other. Not only is the smoke thick, it actually looks realistic and it diffuses gradually rather than fading as we’ve seen in so many of today’s games. I could continue describing it, but let’s just say the proof is in the pudding and you’ll understand for yourself once you get a chance to see Call of Duty 2 in action.
Your prior argument is something that people debate about day in and day out. There's no real answer to it. The XB360 is more user friendly than a PC (since about 1% of the board even knows the significance of a "7800 GTX's SLI'd with 2 Athlon FX-55's" means). But I can see your argument. While the graphics will always be better on the PC, not everyone can afford an $1800 rig, so I think people would be more willing to spend $400 on a system and $60 on games and play with their buddies than $1800 on a PC and going through all that stuff.
Bottom line: You just can't compare PC gaming to any console gaming, PC gaming will win every time. It's an unfair comparison, kinda like a car to a bicycle.[/QUOTE]
I think you can get close to high end quality games from the 360, but it takes a great developer to who is willling to go that little extra length to get it right. I think as the development of the 360 becomes more familiar to and as time goes on developers will be able make games atleast 60-70% of the time that will rival what PC versions of those can do, and there may even be some games that are as good as their PC counterparts.
There was a Sep 30th TeamXBOX article were the editor visited Activision to play COD 2 PC & 360 hands on and they compare the PC to 360 version with them sitting along side each other.
http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1197/Call-of-Duty-2/p1/
In it they went onto says:
Having been able to see both the PC version and the Xbox 360 version running side by side I can easily that it appears as though the Xbox 360 version comes out on top with a hefty framerate of 60fps while the PC version is currently running at the standard 30fps. The Xbox 360 version also appeared to have a bit more textural detail, which was more noticeable within the interiors of some of the buildings, which play a major role throughout the game. In every mission we played, there are a lot of situations that will require players to maneuver through buildings to clear them of enemies while also scouting for tactical vantage points and so on. The heightened level of detail also gave the Xbox 360 a nice boost as far as authenticity and realism goes, helping to further the sense of immersion while playing the game. It also seemed as though the Xbox 360 did a little bit better job of showing off some of the game’s special effects, particularly those concerning the use of smoke which also plays a key role in the gameplay. While playing through a mission called “Repairing the Wire” which took place in the cold Russian city of Stalingrad, I even overheard one of the members of the media covering the PC version mention they had never seen anything like the smoke effects being shown on the Xbox 360.
The fact of the matter is that Infinity Ward has created smoke effects like nothing you have ever seen before in any videogame on the planet. Call of Duty 2 has definitely raised the bar, which is sure to set the new standard of what all smoke effects from this point on will aim towards. In most games that employ heavy use of smoke grenades and effects such as Counter-Strike, they present players with little more than a distortion in the view that still allows players to make out their surroundings. To this point the level of confusion caused by tossing a smoke grenade hasn’t really been questioned, even though some games that I won’t shame by mentioning employ smoke effects that look like nothing more than grey curtains that gradually fade away over a period of time. Call of Duty 2 doesn’t just take smoke grenades to another level, it reinvents them in the combat scenario. With highly advanced particle systems in place that the Xbox 360 handles easily, the smoke effects of Call of Duty 2 are not only confusing but blinding. Imagine walking into the middle of a storm cloud and not knowing which direction was right or left, or up and down for that matter. It’s very much like not being able to see your hand in front of your face, or in this case the barrel of your gun as it peers through the smoke. There were a number of instances where we would literally be a few feet away from the enemy and have no idea they were there until our gun barrels bumped into each other. Not only is the smoke thick, it actually looks realistic and it diffuses gradually rather than fading as we’ve seen in so many of today’s games. I could continue describing it, but let’s just say the proof is in the pudding and you’ll understand for yourself once you get a chance to see Call of Duty 2 in action.
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It's funny that people are complaining about the launch line-up. What have other systems had? I can't remember another system with more than one or two games at launch that I was interested in. With 360, I can't wait for PGR3, CoD2, PDZ, ES:O, Condemned, Chromehounds, GR:Advanced Warfighter... Not to mention the later titles like Gears of War, Prey, and Halo 3 (I know, that's probably a year or more away). I'm a FPS fan first and foremost, and Xbox is hands down the best console for shooters. And the graphics don't look much better... Probably stated before seeing ES:O, Gears of War, and PGR3 in action.
As far as the PC comparison, I have a $500 PC and a $3500 home entertainment system. I'd rather sit in front of my HDTV with the dolby digital blaring. That's personal preferance, and I think a lot of more casual gamers are more at east with a console than a PC. They're more user friendly.
It's expensive, but I'd rather have a $400 console with the hard drive than to have had more sacrifices to bring the price down. The HD-DVD question is a little worrisome, but I'll probably be an actual DVD player once the HD/Blue ray thing plays out, so I'm not that concerned. Wiating to see if the hard drive is worth having? It'll cost you $40 for a memory card, so why not pay for the HD. At least then you'll never have to worry about storing DLC or game saves. I also use music in game, so it's nice to have a little space.
All of these arguments will lead down to personal preference and whether the product is worth the cost to you. For me, I know that I spent over 100 hours on-line and off in PGR2, and I'm sure PGR3 will be worth the price of admission. I can't wait for 11/22.
As far as the PC comparison, I have a $500 PC and a $3500 home entertainment system. I'd rather sit in front of my HDTV with the dolby digital blaring. That's personal preferance, and I think a lot of more casual gamers are more at east with a console than a PC. They're more user friendly.
It's expensive, but I'd rather have a $400 console with the hard drive than to have had more sacrifices to bring the price down. The HD-DVD question is a little worrisome, but I'll probably be an actual DVD player once the HD/Blue ray thing plays out, so I'm not that concerned. Wiating to see if the hard drive is worth having? It'll cost you $40 for a memory card, so why not pay for the HD. At least then you'll never have to worry about storing DLC or game saves. I also use music in game, so it's nice to have a little space.
All of these arguments will lead down to personal preference and whether the product is worth the cost to you. For me, I know that I spent over 100 hours on-line and off in PGR2, and I'm sure PGR3 will be worth the price of admission. I can't wait for 11/22.
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i say save your money and wait for a price drop and more solid titles to come out before picking up a 360. i mean the xbox still has life left with it's catalog of titles already out and you'll probably pick them up cheap. unless you need to be on top of technology for one reason or another, just wait. if you can't wait a year for a major price drop at least wait after the launch day to get impressions and reviews to see if it's worth your money. you may have to wait a few weeks for new shipments if they sell out, but at least you'll have a more informed decision on your purchase because $400 isn't chump change.
i've decided i'll hold out till the ps3 launches to see what they have to offer then dive in to this next generation. i'll most likely pick up a ps3 or 360 along with a revolution since it would be more affordable and would be a nice complement to the more mainstream titles found on either the ps3 or 360.
i've decided i'll hold out till the ps3 launches to see what they have to offer then dive in to this next generation. i'll most likely pick up a ps3 or 360 along with a revolution since it would be more affordable and would be a nice complement to the more mainstream titles found on either the ps3 or 360.
BlaqRenaissance
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[quote name='morpheus_49017']It's funny that people are complaining about the launch line-up. What have other systems had? I can't remember another system with more than one or two games at launch that I was interested in. With 360, I can't wait for PGR3, CoD2, PDZ, ES:O, Condemned, Chromehounds, GR:Advanced Warfighter... [/QUOTE]
PGR3 - Burnout:Revenge is too much fun to go back and play "traditional" racers
CoD2 - I can get Big Red One for my xbox
PDZ - Doesn't look to be anything groundbreaking
ES:O - RPG's are usually low on the totem pole for me.
Condemned - Haven't seen enough to make a determination
Chromehounds - Not into mech games, but it does look interesting
GR:AW - I'm still waiting on those Chaos Theory maps, Ubi
Madden - Got it on xbox, don't need a "prettier" version with facial expressions for players wearing helmets all the time.
Halo - Not my cup of tea
Gears of War - looks nice, but still need to see a lot more
If I was a graphics whore (not saying that all the people getting 360 at launch are), I'd probably be all over the 360. I play games on a basic 27" TV, so all the hi-def, blu-ray talk means nothing to me. So far nothing I have seen for 360 renders my xbox useless; and until there are at least 5+ 360 titles that make me forget about my xbox, I don't need the console.
Like you said, it's personal preference and 360 hasn't shown anything to earn my dollars yet.
PGR3 - Burnout:Revenge is too much fun to go back and play "traditional" racers
CoD2 - I can get Big Red One for my xbox
PDZ - Doesn't look to be anything groundbreaking
ES:O - RPG's are usually low on the totem pole for me.
Condemned - Haven't seen enough to make a determination
Chromehounds - Not into mech games, but it does look interesting
GR:AW - I'm still waiting on those Chaos Theory maps, Ubi
Madden - Got it on xbox, don't need a "prettier" version with facial expressions for players wearing helmets all the time.
Halo - Not my cup of tea
Gears of War - looks nice, but still need to see a lot more
If I was a graphics whore (not saying that all the people getting 360 at launch are), I'd probably be all over the 360. I play games on a basic 27" TV, so all the hi-def, blu-ray talk means nothing to me. So far nothing I have seen for 360 renders my xbox useless; and until there are at least 5+ 360 titles that make me forget about my xbox, I don't need the console.
Like you said, it's personal preference and 360 hasn't shown anything to earn my dollars yet.
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[quote name='Tromack']History will show Fantavision for the ground-breaking, life altering experience that it is.[/QUOTE]
Amen to that!
Amen to that!
I liked the article it wasnt overly sucking on xbox 360 and it wasnt bashing them to bad just seemed honest.
Game magazine articles are usualy 'buy this game buy that game we wont review it for awhile and if we do we will make it sound good even if it sucks then review it again and be honest months down the line'.
So why not some honesty here and there.
Game magazine articles are usualy 'buy this game buy that game we wont review it for awhile and if we do we will make it sound good even if it sucks then review it again and be honest months down the line'.
So why not some honesty here and there.
Personally, the fact that many of the games will be PC also plays a huge part in my decision. Because if I already own something that will play the games I'm interested in (Oblivion mainly, sorta iffy on Quake 4 but curious) then why should I shell out $400 on something else? Also, using the $400 < $1000+ argument is misleading since many of us already own PC's, and we didn't build them just for gaming. In my case, the first of the year I added a $200 card to my existing system I use to make it gaming capable.
But I also think we should all be honest here: no one buys a system at launch for the launch games. They buy them for the promise of what's to come. And a lot of that is based on the previous system. For me, I love Japanese RPGs, and really enjoy Japanese games in general more so than Western ones. The Western games I do enjoy, I usually get for my PC. So I'll be getting a PS3 at launch regardless of the launch games, because I know it will deliver the games I want at some point (and many have already been announced).
For the record, the Xbox - PC argument really helped sway me to trade mine in earlier this year. Many of the Xbox's biggest console-exclusive games - Halo, KOTOR 1&2, Fable, etc. - were also PC games. Granted, if someone didn't own a gaming PC, they wouldn't care. But then I don't make buying & selling decisions based on other people.
But I also think we should all be honest here: no one buys a system at launch for the launch games. They buy them for the promise of what's to come. And a lot of that is based on the previous system. For me, I love Japanese RPGs, and really enjoy Japanese games in general more so than Western ones. The Western games I do enjoy, I usually get for my PC. So I'll be getting a PS3 at launch regardless of the launch games, because I know it will deliver the games I want at some point (and many have already been announced).
For the record, the Xbox - PC argument really helped sway me to trade mine in earlier this year. Many of the Xbox's biggest console-exclusive games - Halo, KOTOR 1&2, Fable, etc. - were also PC games. Granted, if someone didn't own a gaming PC, they wouldn't care. But then I don't make buying & selling decisions based on other people.
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[quote name='coolz481']I'm an EGM subscriber and the 360 launch guide was the most lukewarm system preview I have ever read - they've become experts on damning with faint praise - GUN looks sharpest on 360, but not by that much, etc etc. Based on the coverage at TGS and X05, I get the impression that a lot of the titles have received major graphic polishing over the last couple months, so EGM's three-month old previews are pretty stale at this point. I'm interested to see how they handle the reviews next issue.[/QUOTE]
Exactly......
Exactly......
My attitude on the 360 is that it won't hurt anything to wait a year or two. I'm still waiting to get a regular XBox. There's really only one game I want to play (Jade Empire), also with 10+ GCN titles and 5-6 PS2 titles still sealed to get to, there's no rush.
[quote name='Quillion']My attitude on the 360 is that it won't hurt anything to wait a year or two. I'm still waiting to get a regular XBox. There's really only one game I want to play (Jade Empire), also with 10+ GCN titles and 5-6 PS2 titles still sealed to get to, there's no rush.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I've said it before, for anyone that already has a PS2, there really isn't much reason to get an Xbox.
Agreed. I've said it before, for anyone that already has a PS2, there really isn't much reason to get an Xbox.
[quote name='shipwreck']And I'd say that for anyone with an Xbox, there really isn't much reason to get a PS2.[/QUOTE]
What if we already have both? There's no reason to get a 360?
Personally, I'm waiting. I've got 13 games for both Xbox and PS2 to play before I shell out $500 for a new system and a game...
What if we already have both? There's no reason to get a 360?
Personally, I'm waiting. I've got 13 games for both Xbox and PS2 to play before I shell out $500 for a new system and a game...
[quote name='shieryda']What if we already have both? There's no reason to get a 360?
Personally, I'm waiting. I've got 13 games for both Xbox and PS2 to play before I shell out $500 for a new system and a game...[/QUOTE]
Do whatever you want. It doesn't matter what people on message boards say. I have a GameCube, Xbox, and PS2 with a lot of games for all three and I'm getting a X360 as well. So if you want to be like me...
Personally, I'm waiting. I've got 13 games for both Xbox and PS2 to play before I shell out $500 for a new system and a game...[/QUOTE]
Do whatever you want. It doesn't matter what people on message boards say. I have a GameCube, Xbox, and PS2 with a lot of games for all three and I'm getting a X360 as well. So if you want to be like me...
[quote name='shipwreck']Do whatever you want. It doesn't matter what people on message boards say. I have a GameCube, Xbox, and PS2 with a lot of games for all three and I'm getting a X360 as well. So if you want to be like me...[/QUOTE]
I wanna be like you!! Thats why Im getting one on launch day.
Btw why are people making a huge deal out of the $60 price point on games? Its $10 more than last gens and just to let everyone know again, the Nintendo 64 games sold at an average of $60-70 if I am not mistaken. And just because this is CAG doesn't mean you can't splurge once in awhile and buy something new and actually pay the msrp...Gasp!!
I wanna be like you!! Thats why Im getting one on launch day.
Btw why are people making a huge deal out of the $60 price point on games? Its $10 more than last gens and just to let everyone know again, the Nintendo 64 games sold at an average of $60-70 if I am not mistaken. And just because this is CAG doesn't mean you can't splurge once in awhile and buy something new and actually pay the msrp...Gasp!!
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[quote name='triforcer']but it's $400! and you know it's gonna drop to $300 in a year.[/QUOTE]
But, I would rather pay $8.333333333333333333333333 dollars a month to play it a year before you.
But, I would rather pay $8.333333333333333333333333 dollars a month to play it a year before you
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PittsburghAfterDark
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[quote name='wubb']Agreed. I've said it before, for anyone that already has a PS2, there really isn't much reason to get an Xbox.[/QUOTE]
Um, I enjoy online games that actually have people playing them. I can't even tell you the last time I found someone on the handful of PS2 games I have. If it's not named SOCOM or an EA sports game you cannot find online gamers for PS2 games.
Meanwhile I can find 16 players for Halo 2 any time of day or night, Far Cry is packed, the Rainbow Six games, Splinter Cells, Ghost Recon and even the 3 year old Mech Assault game always have gamers on. About the only titles I can't find gamers for on XBL are KUF and Outrun. Hell, I even find DDR players!
Since the DC I am and always will be an online console gamer. 2002 was one looooong year waiting for XBL. However the PS2 in this area sucks donkey balls. Only the most rabid fanboy will disagree.
Oh and last but not least? I have yet to need a memory card for my 125 Xbox games. How many $29.99 purchases for PS2 cards would I have made by now? Considering the sports games and large save files Xbox titles I'm guessing I've saved at minimum $90 and a maximum of $150 on memory cards alone.
Um, I enjoy online games that actually have people playing them. I can't even tell you the last time I found someone on the handful of PS2 games I have. If it's not named SOCOM or an EA sports game you cannot find online gamers for PS2 games.
Meanwhile I can find 16 players for Halo 2 any time of day or night, Far Cry is packed, the Rainbow Six games, Splinter Cells, Ghost Recon and even the 3 year old Mech Assault game always have gamers on. About the only titles I can't find gamers for on XBL are KUF and Outrun. Hell, I even find DDR players!
Since the DC I am and always will be an online console gamer. 2002 was one looooong year waiting for XBL. However the PS2 in this area sucks donkey balls. Only the most rabid fanboy will disagree.
Oh and last but not least? I have yet to need a memory card for my 125 Xbox games. How many $29.99 purchases for PS2 cards would I have made by now? Considering the sports games and large save files Xbox titles I'm guessing I've saved at minimum $90 and a maximum of $150 on memory cards alone.
I hate it when people break down the launch lineup game by game, especially when they have no reason to hate the game.
[quote name='BlaqRenaissance']
CoD2 - I can get Big Red One for my xbox
PDZ - Doesn't look to be anything groundbreaking
ES:O - RPG's are usually low on the totem pole for me.
Condemned - Haven't seen enough to make a determination
Chromehounds - Not into mech games, but it does look interesting
GR:AW - I'm still waiting on those Chaos Theory maps, Ubi
Halo - Not my cup of tea
Gears of War - looks nice, but still need to see a lot more[/quote]
I mean it's one thing to hate on a launch lineup for a specific reason, but when you're hating on a game just because of another game's failure to deliver on downloadable content, you need a head check. A lot of your judgment, Blaq, points to the fact that.. you just don't know what you're talking about. Big Red One isn't the same game as COD2, I'm not sure how you can tell if a game's groundbreaking or not by looking at screens (and from your lack of knowledge on other 360 games, i'm willing to bet that you saw one screen of PD:Z and immediately wrote it off)..
So let me get this right. You don't like traditional racers anymore, you don't like FPS's, you don't like RPG's.. well, I guess you'll finally pick up a 360 when Tetris 360 is released, won't you?
And to the guy that said there's not much reason to get an XBox if you have a PS2.. only if you're a casual gamer. Like PAD said, the online component is better, storage is better, the breakaway controller is the best unacknowledged idea in console history, and you can use custom soundtracks in quite a few games.
And, oh yeah, that little thing called XBox Live where there's always someone waiting to play you at 3AM on Midtown Madness 3.
[quote name='BlaqRenaissance']
CoD2 - I can get Big Red One for my xbox
PDZ - Doesn't look to be anything groundbreaking
ES:O - RPG's are usually low on the totem pole for me.
Condemned - Haven't seen enough to make a determination
Chromehounds - Not into mech games, but it does look interesting
GR:AW - I'm still waiting on those Chaos Theory maps, Ubi
Halo - Not my cup of tea
Gears of War - looks nice, but still need to see a lot more[/quote]
I mean it's one thing to hate on a launch lineup for a specific reason, but when you're hating on a game just because of another game's failure to deliver on downloadable content, you need a head check. A lot of your judgment, Blaq, points to the fact that.. you just don't know what you're talking about. Big Red One isn't the same game as COD2, I'm not sure how you can tell if a game's groundbreaking or not by looking at screens (and from your lack of knowledge on other 360 games, i'm willing to bet that you saw one screen of PD:Z and immediately wrote it off)..
So let me get this right. You don't like traditional racers anymore, you don't like FPS's, you don't like RPG's.. well, I guess you'll finally pick up a 360 when Tetris 360 is released, won't you?
And to the guy that said there's not much reason to get an XBox if you have a PS2.. only if you're a casual gamer. Like PAD said, the online component is better, storage is better, the breakaway controller is the best unacknowledged idea in console history, and you can use custom soundtracks in quite a few games.
And, oh yeah, that little thing called XBox Live where there's always someone waiting to play you at 3AM on Midtown Madness 3.
BlaqRenaissance
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Where did I say that CoD2 is the same as Big Red One? I said I can play BRO on my xbox. Therefore, I don't need to buy a new console to play a new CoD game.
You're right--just because I'm not impressed with what I have seen from 360 shooters so far, I hate all FPS. People and their ASSumptions kill me. I guess I have to run out and cancel my BF:MC pre-order and stop finding info on OF:E. I've seen pics and vids of PDZ--they haven't made we want to go out and get a 360 for it.
I have no interest in GR3, because I'm not purchasing anymore of Ubi's products. Their rep with me has gone south over the past few months, so I have made the decision to not purchase any of their games.
I didn't say I don't like RPGs, I said they are low on the totem pole for me.
Its funny how it seems the only people that get criticized are the ones that aren't gushing over the 360. If people can list games and why they like them, then people can list games and say that they aren't interested in them.
Scorch, don't worry about me and my opinions. But then again, if i broke things down game by game and got a virtual hard-on for them, you wouldn't have had a problem. Sounds like you're just a fanboy who needs other people to praise the things that you like as some sort of justification--or maybe I'm just making an ASSumption like you.
You're right--just because I'm not impressed with what I have seen from 360 shooters so far, I hate all FPS. People and their ASSumptions kill me. I guess I have to run out and cancel my BF:MC pre-order and stop finding info on OF:E. I've seen pics and vids of PDZ--they haven't made we want to go out and get a 360 for it.
I have no interest in GR3, because I'm not purchasing anymore of Ubi's products. Their rep with me has gone south over the past few months, so I have made the decision to not purchase any of their games.
I didn't say I don't like RPGs, I said they are low on the totem pole for me.
Its funny how it seems the only people that get criticized are the ones that aren't gushing over the 360. If people can list games and why they like them, then people can list games and say that they aren't interested in them.
Scorch, don't worry about me and my opinions. But then again, if i broke things down game by game and got a virtual hard-on for them, you wouldn't have had a problem. Sounds like you're just a fanboy who needs other people to praise the things that you like as some sort of justification--or maybe I'm just making an ASSumption like you.
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Its funny how it seems the only people that get criticized are the ones that aren't gushing over the 360.
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I think the only people criticized are the "No neEd to uppgrad fromme my Colekovission" people and the people who post "suxXorz!" after every game title, dismissing every Xbox 360 title.
"Call of Duty? LOLRZ! I have Combat on Atari 2600! ROTFLOMGWTFBBQ~!!11!!!!!"
Its funny how it seems the only people that get criticized are the ones that aren't gushing over the 360.
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I think the only people criticized are the "No neEd to uppgrad fromme my Colekovission" people and the people who post "suxXorz!" after every game title, dismissing every Xbox 360 title.
"Call of Duty? LOLRZ! I have Combat on Atari 2600! ROTFLOMGWTFBBQ~!!11!!!!!"
I would seriously consider getting the 360 if I was assured all of my current Xbox games would be backward compatible. It was stated earlier that only some Xbox games will work with the 360 and since then I haven't heard any news about what exactly would be backward compatible. I'm hoping that all of the Xbox games will be backward compatible since I really would like to retire the big old black box and replace it with the smaller 360. Also, the bundles that retailers are making you buy are outrageous at the moment. I would rather go into the store and just drop $400 on it , pick up PGR 3, and get an extra controller.
[quote name='MadFlava']I would seriously consider getting the 360 if I was assured all of my current Xbox games would be backward compatible. It was stated earlier that only some Xbox games will work with the 360 and since then I haven't heard any news about what exactly would be backward compatible. I'm hoping that all of the Xbox games will be backward compatible since I really would like to retire the big old black box and replace it with the smaller 360. Also, the bundles that retailers are making you buy are outrageous at the moment. I would rather go into the store and just drop $400 on it , pick up PGR 3, and get an extra controller.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I usually only buy 1 or 2 games during or after a launch of a new system anyways. I really want to trade in or sell my current Xbox, but I need to be assured that I'll be able to play my old games (as well as the new ones coming out this winter) on the new system.
I agree. I usually only buy 1 or 2 games during or after a launch of a new system anyways. I really want to trade in or sell my current Xbox, but I need to be assured that I'll be able to play my old games (as well as the new ones coming out this winter) on the new system.
[quote name='MadFlava']It was stated earlier that only some Xbox games will work with the 360 and since then I haven't heard any news about what exactly would be backward compatible.[/QUOTE]
Microsoft has since come to an agreement with Nvidia to include Xbox emulation in the Xbox 360. On launch day, there should be backwards capabilities for the bigger Xbox titles. Then, little by little, other games will become backwards compatible as Microsoft gets around to writing the emulation codec or whatever.
You need the hard drive for backwards compatibility.
Microsoft has said that they're aiming at having virtually every Xbox game run on the Xbox 360.
And if you go to EB Games you can get an Xbox without a bundle. Only the websites are selling bundles.
Microsoft has since come to an agreement with Nvidia to include Xbox emulation in the Xbox 360. On launch day, there should be backwards capabilities for the bigger Xbox titles. Then, little by little, other games will become backwards compatible as Microsoft gets around to writing the emulation codec or whatever.
You need the hard drive for backwards compatibility.
Microsoft has said that they're aiming at having virtually every Xbox game run on the Xbox 360.
And if you go to EB Games you can get an Xbox without a bundle. Only the websites are selling bundles.
[quote name='Haggar']Microsoft has since come to an agreement with Nvidia to include Xbox emulation in the Xbox 360. On launch day, there should be backwards capabilities for the bigger Xbox titles. Then, little by little, other games will become backwards compatible as Microsoft gets around to writing the emulation codec or whatever.
You need the hard drive for backwards compatibility.
Microsoft has said that they're aiming at having virtually every Xbox game run on the Xbox 360.
And if you go to EB Games you can get an Xbox without a bundle. Only the websites are selling bundles.[/QUOTE]
So these codecs to run more older titles, I assume that they will distribute these through Xbox live? Any idea if they will charge for codec updates?
You need the hard drive for backwards compatibility.
Microsoft has said that they're aiming at having virtually every Xbox game run on the Xbox 360.
And if you go to EB Games you can get an Xbox without a bundle. Only the websites are selling bundles.[/QUOTE]
So these codecs to run more older titles, I assume that they will distribute these through Xbox live? Any idea if they will charge for codec updates?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4332170.stm
buggy games. Another reason to hold off on that Xbox 360 purchase
buggy games. Another reason to hold off on that Xbox 360 purchase
[quote name='CaseyRyback']http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4332170.stm
buggy games. Another reason to hold off on that Xbox 360 purchase[/QUOTE]
That article was talking about how if games were buggy when going through certification, that they would be pushed back to fix the bugs. Seems fairly logical to me and I'm sure this is pretty much how Nintendo and Sony do business as well.
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That article was talking about how if games were buggy when going through certification, that they would be pushed back to fix the bugs. Seems fairly logical to me and I'm sure this is pretty much how Nintendo and Sony do business as well.
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yea but if you are putting bugs in the thousands I doubt you can fix all them by launch. I also highly doubt they are really going to sacrafice their holiday sales and not release a buggy game
These guys got way in over their heads with this system
These guys got way in over their heads with this system
[quote name='CaseyRyback']yea but if you are putting bugs in the thousands I doubt you can fix all them by launch. I also highly doubt they are really going to sacrafice their holiday sales and not release a buggy game
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It's no different than any other launch. This is almost identical to the original Xbox's launch when the games came together right at the end.
These guys got way in over their heads with this system[/QUOTE]
It's no different than any other launch. This is almost identical to the original Xbox's launch when the games came together right at the end.
[quote name='CaseyRyback']yea but if you are putting bugs in the thousands I doubt you can fix all them by launch. [/QUOTE]
I don't know of any companies that puts bugs into their games. Successful companies take them out.
[quote name='CaseyRyback']These guys got way in over their heads with this system[/QUOTE]
People said the same thing about the first Xbox. That, and that Xbox wouldn't last more than a year.
I don't know of any companies that puts bugs into their games. Successful companies take them out.
[quote name='CaseyRyback']These guys got way in over their heads with this system[/QUOTE]
People said the same thing about the first Xbox. That, and that Xbox wouldn't last more than a year.
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I don't know if anyone has been keeping up with the Joystiq commentary on XBOX 360 - http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000490063053/ - but it seems pretty straight forward. And unfortunately, it seems to be right in line with many other reviews. While at first I discounted this as Sony and Nintendo fanboy banter, it does seem that the 360 "leap" to next gen just may be smaller than what everyone thuoght or was hoping for. It's hard too, because I was definitely on ( but am now off) the bandwagon. There are just a lot of good games on current gen systems that would seem to provide an equal or better experience and MS is asking a premium to step up to the next .5 level - at least that is with the current software offering.
[quote name='BlaqRenaissance']Where did I say that CoD2 is the same as Big Red One? I said I can play BRO on my xbox. Therefore, I don't need to buy a new console to play a new CoD game.[/quote]
That's like saying you have Mario 2, so you don't need to buy Mario 3. Same franchise, different game.
Oh, how creative. You capitalized "ass" in assumptions, a nice subtle hint at trying to start a flame war. Creative. No, really, you're the first person in the entire history of the internet to do that. There's also an "ass" in "assassin", perhaps you can use that trick again later?
Regarding the "hate all FPS", when you're given the choices of Ghost Recon, Halo, COD2 and PD:Zero and you mention that they either don't impress you or they're not "your cup of tea", what else am I supposed to think?
And what the hell is OF:E?
Hell yeah, I know what you mean. Quality games that drop to budget prices in no time, they're the worst.
And what's high on the totem pole? That's my point, you're given a choice of racers, shooters, and RPG's, and you shit over all three.
I'd criticize you even if you were a 360 fanboy. Who the hell denies an entire game because one of their other products was not updated with multiplayer maps? It's not that you can list games and say whether you like/dislike them, but you gave bullshit reasons. Again with the Mario example, it's like saying you won't play Mario 3 because you hated Mario 2 because there was a POW block in it. It's one thing if a company has a bad track record, but to judge a whole game based on the company's ability (or inability) to produce bonus content is insane. Using that theory, we could write off every game in the known universe from every company.
Oh snap, the ASS again! You're so creative, I wish I could be like you. If you got a virtual hard-on for a game, I think it's time to step outside. A fanboy, eh? Well, if that's what owning two XBoxes, a PS2, two Gamecubes, a DS, and two GBA's is, then yeah, i'm an XBox fanboy.
That's like saying you have Mario 2, so you don't need to buy Mario 3. Same franchise, different game.
Oh, how creative. You capitalized "ass" in assumptions, a nice subtle hint at trying to start a flame war. Creative. No, really, you're the first person in the entire history of the internet to do that. There's also an "ass" in "assassin", perhaps you can use that trick again later?
Regarding the "hate all FPS", when you're given the choices of Ghost Recon, Halo, COD2 and PD:Zero and you mention that they either don't impress you or they're not "your cup of tea", what else am I supposed to think?
And what the hell is OF:E?
Hell yeah, I know what you mean. Quality games that drop to budget prices in no time, they're the worst.
And what's high on the totem pole? That's my point, you're given a choice of racers, shooters, and RPG's, and you shit over all three.
I'd criticize you even if you were a 360 fanboy. Who the hell denies an entire game because one of their other products was not updated with multiplayer maps? It's not that you can list games and say whether you like/dislike them, but you gave bullshit reasons. Again with the Mario example, it's like saying you won't play Mario 3 because you hated Mario 2 because there was a POW block in it. It's one thing if a company has a bad track record, but to judge a whole game based on the company's ability (or inability) to produce bonus content is insane. Using that theory, we could write off every game in the known universe from every company.
Oh snap, the ASS again! You're so creative, I wish I could be like you. If you got a virtual hard-on for a game, I think it's time to step outside. A fanboy, eh? Well, if that's what owning two XBoxes, a PS2, two Gamecubes, a DS, and two GBA's is, then yeah, i'm an XBox fanboy.
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Thanks for the link Atherius. I also read the review on Oblivion and they liked it, to my pleasure. They also said they would be going with Call of Duty 2 as the FPS of choice. Again, to my pleasure. These are the two games I am likely to get with my 360 around Xmas. I don't even want it at launch unless one of these two are out. PD:Z really hasn't impressed me much.....I thought I was alone in this, but apparently not.
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PS3 (graphic wise) and Revolution (unique-ness wise) look like theyre going to beat the living eff out of 360. The only way 360 will win is if they make an ORIGINAL game thats live capible. I'm tired of all these FPS's (halo etc.) that bring absolutely nothing new to the table other than just a new half-assed story.
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Quite honestly there's no one who's played final game code and is in shape to judge much yet. Especially to put the smack down on the whole system. I personally think that the 360's launch is strong. Probably not many, if any 90% rated games (maybe ES:O), but I think there are lot's of 80's. I also think that the stuff now is basically xbox 1 type games with better graphics. Give it a year, after devs figure out this 3 core system, and I think games will blow up. Look at PGR1 or Azurik, or some of those very early xbox titles, and then look at SC:CT, Halo 2, Doom 3... It takes a little time. The question is, whether you want to pay an extra $100 to have the system a year early and play that first wave of good - not necessarily great - games.
And an equally big question is do you have or want LIVE. If you play on-line, Xbox is the only way to go. And those of us who play LIVE and understand it know why, and anyone bashing it without being on LIVE has absolutely no basis to talk. It's a huge part of the Xbox experience, for me. And a huge reason I'll be getting a 360 early. PDZ may not be as revolutionary as Halo, but I can't wait to play the campaign co-op on LIVE.
And an equally big question is do you have or want LIVE. If you play on-line, Xbox is the only way to go. And those of us who play LIVE and understand it know why, and anyone bashing it without being on LIVE has absolutely no basis to talk. It's a huge part of the Xbox experience, for me. And a huge reason I'll be getting a 360 early. PDZ may not be as revolutionary as Halo, but I can't wait to play the campaign co-op on LIVE.
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Just to follow up, joystiq posted a great wrap up http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000673063378/...and of course throughout the feature, they were often flamed for not singing the praises of every game. However, the article has actually sparked my interest again. It is very intrigueing to see just what this online component will do...yeah current gen live was nice to meet some people and play similar games, but there wasn't a real community, at least not unless you made a big effort outside of the live interface. However, the idea of being able to sit and watch a game between the best players in the country, or even the world...that is completely awesome. I mean how many times have you played a top ranked player and they cheesed a win somehow...and there was really noone to witness...imagine watching a Forza 2(working title ) national match and one of the top ranked player pulls the typical... punt you into the pit on the last lap to win it... That person would be flamed, and even if their live rank was at the top...eveyone would know just how they got there. I think the possibilities are endless, and I agree with Joystiq...the leap to this next gen will not be graphically, as much as it will be how well a company can pull the online component off. And at this time...M$ looks well seated to have an early upper hand.
) national match and one of the top ranked player pulls the typical... punt you into the pit on the last lap to win it... That person would be flamed, and even if their live rank was at the top...eveyone would know just how they got there. I think the possibilities are endless, and I agree with Joystiq...the leap to this next gen will not be graphically, as much as it will be how well a company can pull the online component off. And at this time...M$ looks well seated to have an early upper hand.
[quote name='THE DARK KNIGHT']Thanks for the link Atherius. I also read the review on Oblivion and they liked it, to my pleasure. They also said they would be going with Call of Duty 2 as the FPS of choice. Again, to my pleasure. [/quote]
Glad I have a decent computer in this case, so I don't have to drop $400 for a new system.
Glad I have a decent computer in this case, so I don't have to drop $400 for a new system.
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