EGM september - Lair (and everything else) panned, Persona 3 gotm

[quote name='jer7583']I trust egm.. They had nothing but high hopes for this game going into it. People just like to discredit reviews that don't fit their ideas. Gotta respect egm for sticking to their opinions on such a highly praised game. They gave similar scores to Factor 5's last game, if I recall.
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Why? Why trust any single reviewer/source? I take it you've read their previews for games, they (along with about all other gaming mags) have high hopes for whatever the hell they preview. The "exclusive" previews sell their magazine. I don't look to discredit reviews really, but I don't fully trust any one source on reviews because they are extremely subjective. And what they like/hate may not be the same for me. Play magazine gave Lair a 9/10. Do I run right out and buy it based solely on thier loving review though?

However, while we are on EGM, I don't like the way their reviews in general are conducted. While they're not the only ones doing this (GI I'm looking at you), they introduced this whole 3 reviewer thing and touted it as some kind of round table discussion for reviewing games. Yet very little discourse has come of it since they had it. If you notice the vast majority of games are all scored within 1 or 2 pts of each other. You rarely have one guy pan it with a say a 5.5 and another give it an 9 or higher. It almost never happens. The actual bodies of the reviews themselves have almost all the same opinions too. Nobody hardly ever says they really enjoyed or loved some aspect that the others hated. I don't think it's intentional or anything, but IMO there may as well be one reviewer again because you really only ever get one uniform opinion. Their reviews and opinions I somewhat value, but if anything I'd like to see more varying or bold reviews/opinions amongst their staff.

Edit: On a completely unrelated note, when the hell is somebody going to review Two Worlds and Stranglehold? I don't even care about scores but every month that goes on seems to hint more and more that they don't have final builds ready.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']However, while we are on EGM, I don't like the way their reviews in general are conducted. While they're not the only ones doing this (GI I'm looking at you), they introduced this whole 3 reviewer thing and touted it as some kind of round table discussion for reviewing games. Yet very little discourse has come of it since they had it. If you notice the vast majority of games are all scored within 1 or 2 pts of each other. You rarely have one guy pan it with a say a 5.5 and another give it an 9 or higher. It almost never happens. The actual bodies of the reviews themselves have almost all the same opinions too. Nobody hardly ever says they really enjoyed or loved some aspect that the others hated. I don't think it's intentional or anything, but IMO there may as well be one reviewer again because you really only ever get one uniform opinion. Their reviews and opinions I somewhat value, but if anything I'd like to see more varying or bold reviews/opinions amongst their staff.[/quote]

I have been getting EGM for about 10 years now and I can say that you are pretty much wrong. I could probably open up the last 5 issues I got and find at least 1 game where there were two revieweres who were several points off and even disagreed with each other by name in the review text itself. I am not saying that EGM has the best or flawless reviews, but at least make valid and accurate accusations when talking smack about them :p
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The only thing that I'm not sure will be fine is CoffeeEdge; I think that he's suffered some severe personal trauma lately, as that would be the only justification for every post of his being a tantrum. I hope we can agree on that much.[/quote]There really is something wrong with him isn't there?
I used to get annoyed by his constant trolling, but now it's just kinda sad how negative he is about EVERYTHING.

Now about Lair.
Sad to see low scores, but they aren't THAT low, and it is EGM.
If scores were in the below 5.0 range, that's usually when I take notice of a review. If not, it's really my own opinion.
 
Jesus, this thread makes me want to cry.

Let me just say this: The scores for Lair, Blue Dragon, and Guitar Hero aren't surprising, and from what I've played of all three (yes, all three), fairly accurate.

Blue Dragon is essentially a "RPG cliche greatest hits collection" meant to appeal to Japanese gamers and fill a niche for the 360.

Guitar Hero really feels weak, as much as I like the franchise: the lack of bonus songs, the awful covers, the weird difficulty, the lack of extras, and the generally weak track list make it the worst of the games so far. It's pretty clear Harmonix basically closed the book on this once they knew how their future looked.

Lair ... well, again, "heavily hyped" does not equate to "good." I can't understand how people are still so willing to take corporate PR at face value, after having been burned by so many games in the past, but whatever. Now, I'm sure some scores will be higher, particularly with once online sources realize that they can appeal to a large group of people who desperately need this game to be good, but it's probably going to average out right around what EGM scored it. Think of it this way: yes, Play gave Lair a 9.0 ... but they also gave Overlord a 9.0. That said, though, I personally thought Lair was a little better than those numbers. In fact, I thought it was the clear "winner" between it and Heavenly Sword (I particularly liked the level design and scope in Lair), so while that might just say something about my taste in games, it might be something to bear in mind for when HS gets reviewed.

I'd also like to pat Apossum on the back for [quote name='apossum']pretty much everyone hates every gaming outlet because they didn't rate their favorite game the way they wanted. changes depending on who you ask.[/quote] which bears repeating. Most people don't know how to use reviews: they're not there for you to accept blindly, and only liking them when they confirm what you already think doesn't make you clever. Find a source that has similar taste to you, and then trust it. The end.

I can also personally confirm that Factor 5 is indeed working on at least 4 projects. What they are I can't say, but that part of the rumor mill is true, at least.
 
[quote name='SpecTrE3353']I have been getting EGM for about 10 years now and I can say that you are pretty much wrong. I could probably open up the last 5 issues I got and find at least 1 game where there were two revieweres who were several points off and even disagreed with each other by name in the review text itself. I am not saying that EGM has the best or flawless reviews, but at least make valid and accurate accusations when talking smack about them :p[/QUOTE]

Kepping in mind I said hardly ever or almost never, not never, ever. Still define "several points off", seeing as how my example was 3.5, I'll take 3 pts differnce as several. Now granted, I have not read EGM for probably at least 9 months, so me going over text is out here. And to some degree I think they disagree in the body more than the score, as a said reviews are extremely subjective. So somebody could give a changing, positive review a 7 and sombody could be negative with only a 5.5 and still disagree. But let's roll with that whole several points off assertion using the scores from CAG posts about the last four issues:

June

F.E.A.R - 6.0, 5.0, 5.0
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars - EGM GOTM 7.0, 8.0, 7.0
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia - 4.5, 4.0, 4.0
Dawn of Mana - 4.5, 5.0, 4.0
Atelier Iris 3: Grand Phantasm - 4.0, 4.5, 6.0
.Hack//Gu. Vol. 2 Remininsce - 6.0, 4.0, 5.0
Etrian Odyssey - 8.0, 4.0, 6.0
Time Ace - EGM Shame of the Month 3.0, 4.0, 3.5
Brooktown High - 4.0, 5.5, 5.0
Coded Arms: Contagion - 7.0, 4.0, 5.0


July

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End - 6, 4, 5.5
Spider-Man 3 - 5, 7.5, 6.5
Resident Evil 4 - 8, 9, 9
Escape From Bug Island - 2, 1.5, 4.5 - Shame of the Month
Ninja Gaiden Sigma - 9, 9, 8
Wartech: Senko no Ronde - 4, 5, 4
Tomb Raider Anniversary - 8.5, 8.5, 8
Grim-Grimoire - 6, 6, 7
Odin Sphere - 8.5, 9.5, 9 - Game of the Month
Sim City DS - 6.5, 6.5, 6
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl - 8.5, 9, 8.5
Final fantasy - 7, 5, 8
PQ2: Practical Intelligence Quotient - 9.5, 7.5, 9
Innocent Life: A Futuristic Harvest Moon - 6.5, 6, 5

August

Mortal Kombat Armageddon 6.5, 5.0, 5.5
Mario Party 8 5.5, 7.5, 6.0
The Darkness 9.0, 6.5, 8.5 Silver Award
The Bigs 8.5, 8.0, 8.0 Silver Award
Overload 8.0, 6.5, 6.5
Shadowrun 5.0, 7.0, 8.0
DiRT 8.0, 8.0, 8.5 Silver Award
Forza Motorsport 2 8.5, 8.5, 9.0 EGM Game of the Month
Dynasty Warriors DS: Fighter's Battle 5.5, 4.5, 6.0
Final Fantasy II 6.0, 5.5, 6.0
Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 6.0, 8.5, 5.5
Crush 9.5, 8.5, 8.0 Silver Award Game of the Month
Smash Court Tennis 3 5.5, 4.5, 4.5
Parappa the Rapper 7.0, 5.5, 6.0
Hot Shots Tennis 3.5, 4.5 7.5

September

lair: 6.0, 5.5, 5.0
mario strikers charged: 7.5, 7.5, 7.5
all pro football: 6.5, 6.5, 7.0
ncaa football 2008: 8.5, 9.0, 8.5
stuntman ignition: 7.5, 7.5, 7.0
dynasty warriors gundam: 6.5, 5.5, 5.0
nascar 08: 6.5, 6.5, 6.5
blue dragon: 6.5, 7.5, 6.5
persona 3: 8.5, 9.5, 9.5 game of the month
guitar hero rocks the 80s: 7.5, 6.0, 6.0
jeanne d'arc: 8.0, 7.0, 8.0
picross ds: 8.5, 8.0, 8.0
brain age 2: 8.0, 7.0, 6.0
heroes of mana: 7.5, 5.5, 6.0
luminous arc: 5.5, 6.0, 6.0

Total: 55 games reviewed
My count with a difference of 3+ points: 6 games (far fewer if you go higher)

Sure it averages out to once (though there's clearly ones without it) or almost twice an issue, and perhaps I'm wrong, but how much do they actually disagree? Just over 10%, about one in every 10 reviews. To me that's not that much with 3 different people doing 10+ reviews a mag, but I guess to you it may be alot. Like I said I don't htink it's intentional or even a forethought, perhaps the staff has very similar tastes, but I still find it hard to believe that there's not more score discrepencies than that in all those reviews with 3 differing folks reviewing it each time.
 
wow, 2 atlus gotms in two months! Thankfully the unpleasantness of the Metal Saga/Magna Carta/Steamboat Chronicles triple crap of doom is over. I really hated those games :lol:


which bears repeating. Most people don't know how to use reviews: they're not there for you to accept blindly, and only liking them when they confirm what you already think doesn't make you clever. Find a source that has similar taste to you, and then trust it. The end.
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I'm glad at least one other person recognizes this. It's like people read sources with the intent of projecting their taste on to it.
 
Usually I think the best thing to use reviews for is if the game gets overwhelming good praise (see Bioshock) or is called extreme crap because it has many technical flaws (See EGM's Shames of the month).

Otherwise, if you're one a message board and you are familiar with some of the posters, ask them for their honest opinions. Look at Shadowrun, it got pretty mediocre reviews, but people here seemed to love it. I picked it up, and don't regret it for a second. If a lot of people on the PS3 board start posting they like Lair, then I'll give it a shot.

Everyone just needs to be a little cautious when it comes to reviews. Fight Club is my favorite movie of all time, but Ebert and Roeper panned that...so yea.
 
[quote name='dallow']There really is something wrong with him isn't there?
I used to get annoyed by his constant trolling, but now it's just kinda sad how negative he is about EVERYTHING.[/QUOTE]
Do you realize how fucking annoying it is to be obsessed over by you freaks? Anyone in general, but you in particular, dallow.

I should be words on a screen to you, not a personality. Go stalk someone else.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Do you realize how fucking annoying it is to be obsessed over by you freaks? Anyone in general, but you in particular, dallow.

I should be words on a screen to you, not a personality. Go stalk someone else.[/quote]I aim to please.

Seriously though, I hope your home life is ok.

Just remember, it's not your fault.
It's not your fault.



It's not your fault.


:grouphug:
 
[quote name='dallow']I aim to please.

Seriously though, I hope your home life is ok.

Just remember, it's not your fault.
It's not your fault.



It's not your fault.


:grouphug:[/QUOTE]
Wow. You are one corny-ass motherfucker, you know that? :p

Really though, quit commenting on how negative I am...please? Write some letters to Maddox asking him if he's been suffering some sort of "severe personal trauma" for the past 5 years, why don't you? I'm fine, I assure you, you obsessing-over-random-posters little crackpot. In fact, some pretty rad shit has been going on the past few months (sweet new digs for dirt cheap, etc). I just like to say that shit sucks. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

And I'll never ever love you, so, yeah. Stalking won't get you anywhere.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Do you realize how fucking annoying it is to be obsessed over by you freaks? Anyone in general, but you in particular, dallow.

I should be words on a screen to you, not a personality. Go stalk someone else.[/quote]And yet you're the one constantly getting upset. :whistle2:k

Maybe take some of your own advice, and treat the posters here, reviews, and games in general just as something for fun and stop being so whiny and angry.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']
Sure it averages out to once (though there's clearly ones without it) or almost twice an issue, and perhaps I'm wrong, but how much do they actually disagree? Just over 10%, about one in every 10 reviews. To me that's not that much with 3 different people doing 10+ reviews a mag, but I guess to you it may be alot. Like I said I don't htink it's intentional or even a forethought, perhaps the staff has very similar tastes, but I still find it hard to believe that there's not more score discrepencies than that in all those reviews with 3 differing folks reviewing it each time.[/quote]

To be fair, it isn't the same three people doing each and every review.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Wow. You are one corny-ass motherfucker, you know that? :p

Really though, quit commenting on how negative I am...please? Write some letters to Maddox asking him if he's been suffering some sort of "severe personal trauma" for the past 5 years, why don't you? I'm fine, I assure you, you obsessing-over-random-posters little crackpot. In fact, some pretty rad shit has been going on the past few months (sweet new digs for dirt cheap, etc). I just like to say that shit sucks. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

And I'll never ever love you, so, yeah. Stalking won't get you anywhere.[/quote]It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

;)
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Wow. You are one corny-ass motherfucker, you know that? :p

Really though, quit commenting on how negative I am...please? Write some letters to Maddox asking him if he's been suffering some sort of "severe personal trauma" for the past 5 years, why don't you? I'm fine, I assure you, you obsessing-over-random-posters little crackpot. In fact, some pretty rad shit has been going on the past few months (sweet new digs for dirt cheap, etc). I just like to say that shit sucks. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

And I'll never ever love you, so, yeah. Stalking won't get you anywhere.[/QUOTE]



you're not maddox. he's funny. you're freaky.

I can't decide if it's trauma or if you're just a brat. in any case, i feel bad.


dallow- that's hilarious. I haven't seen goodwill hunting, but the family guy take on the scene was great :lol:
 
[quote name='FaintDeftone']I knew Lair was going to suck. I couldn't understand the hype for it at all.[/QUOTE]



huge dragons, awesome looking battles, huge scaling levels. you gotta admit, it has good ingredients.
 
[quote name='FaintDeftone']I knew Lair was going to suck. I couldn't understand the hype for it at all.[/quote]Oh, how did you find the controls?
I've been waiting to hear some impressions from fellow gamers.
 
[quote name='whoknows']So like...LAIR has big dragons and you can make your dragon eat people.

I'm pretty excited for it.[/quote]Yeah, I'm still getting it.
It should be a visual FEAST and at least be fun. Probably not great, but I'll enjoy it.
 
[quote name='Apossum']huge dragons, awesome looking battles, huge scaling levels. you gotta admit, it has good ingredients.[/QUOTE]

Elvis loved fried peanut butter and banana sammiches.
 
[quote name='whoknows']So like...LAIR has big dragons and you can make your dragon eat people.

I'm pretty excited for it.[/QUOTE]
Hey, no one wants them the shut the fuck up about me more than myself. But there's always some bitch trying to be a smartass and start discussing my opinions, rather than the subject at hand. Ridiculous, I know. But hey, I guess it's not my fault that they think my opinions on things are so interesting.

I'd be pretty impressed if people could resist the urge to stop commenting on my comments for a while. I really don't enjoy it (and thusly, am not a goddamn troll).

Ugh. Last time I bring this up, oi.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Hey, no one wants them the shut the fuck up about me more than myself. But there's always some bitch trying to be a smartass and start discussing my opinions, rather than the subject at hand. Ridiculous, I know. But hey, I guess it's not my fault that they think my opinions on things are so interesting.

I'd be pretty impressed if people could resist the urge to stop commenting on my comments for a while. I really don't enjoy it (and thusly, am not a goddamn troll).

Ugh. Last time I bring this up, oi.[/quote]Bashing the shit out of a game you've never played from average scores from one tough, jaded magazine equals trolling.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Hey, no one wants them the shut the fuck up about me more than myself. But there's always some bitch trying to be a smartass and start discussing my opinions, rather than the subject at hand. Ridiculous, I know. But hey, I guess it's not my fault that they think my opinions on things are so interesting.

I'd be pretty impressed if people could resist the urge to stop commenting on my comments for a while. I really don't enjoy it (and thusly, am not a goddamn troll).

Ugh. Last time I bring this up, oi.[/QUOTE]
Hmm...maybe if you reworded your opinions.

Like..instead of saying the graphics look like crap you could say "the graphics don't look as good as everyone is making them out to be" or something. People will probably not make a big deal about it then ;)
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Thanks for posting reviews...any chance you can put the "Rumor Mole" section as well?[/QUOTE]


I think it has been posted elsewhere, but here ya go:

ripped from neogaf:

rumors:

- level 5 is going to announce 4 new rpgs at tokyo game show
- squeenix to start remaking dragon quest games starting with dq4 on ds
- microsoft is funnelling all the best 360 parts to the elite model, which is why lower models crap out more
- next def jam game will be better than icon. ea knows it sucked
- io interactive (kane and lynch) making a kids' game
- next james bond game will use call of duty 4 engine

NEXT MONTH: SILENT HILL 5 cover story, with reviews of heavenly sword, battalion wars 2, eternal sonata, castlevania dracula x chronicles, and i'm presuming bioshock since it's in the wrap-up section, along with madden 2008, brave story, and boogie
 
[quote name='dallow']Oh, how did you find the controls?
I've been waiting to hear some impressions from fellow gamers.[/QUOTE]

That has nothing to do with it. The game doesn't look good to me, that's the problem. This kinda stuff just doesn't appeal to me. Not a fan of dragons.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Coffee Edge: Being a bastard and being angry that people get upset with him for being a bastard since October 2003.[/quote]
I'm disappointed that you couldn't make that any catchier.
 
[quote name='FaintDeftone']That has nothing to do with it. The game doesn't look good to me, that's the problem. This kinda stuff just doesn't appeal to me. Not a fan of dragons.[/quote]Oh, you should have posted that the game doesn't appeal to you.
Not that it sucks.
[quote name='you']I knew Lair was going to suck.[/quote]

My mistake, I thought you had play-tested it.
 
[quote name='FaintDeftone']That has nothing to do with it. The game doesn't look good to me, that's the problem. This kinda stuff just doesn't appeal to me. Not a fan of dragons.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't appeal to you and being a bad game are 2 different things.

Sports games don't appeal to me at all, but that doesn't mean they are bad games. People seem to love them.
 
Good heavens, Coffee, you just can't get enough of this attention? You have to derail what suddenly turned into talk of the game into "Gosh, I can't believe you're not talking about me! You guys are so stupid for talking about me, why aren't you talking about me more?"

It's like you've regressed to a two year old whose parents just had a new baby and you need the attention!!

Anywho, Lair always seemed to me that it could be really, really great, or really really suck. And it's probably going to be one of those games that, as released, is both, depending on who you are.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I'm disappointed that you couldn't make that any catchier.[/QUOTE]

Oh, my mind is elsewhere today, for better and worse.

Now I shall try to make the topic about ME!! MEEEEEE, I TELL YOU!!!

Actually, just kidding. Feel free to revise the slogan so that it doesn't stumble off the tongue, as I have it written.
 
[quote name='Ivanhoe']ncaa 2008 shouldnt be getting higher then 6/10 across the board.
That game BLOWS.. I HATE EA! they always ruin my games.[/quote]

HAHAHA, yeah, when I saw those BS scores I thought "well it looks like only EA got their suitcase full of bribe money into the EGM offices in time for publication."
 
Another good example is Mario Strikers. It got slightly above average scores, but the guys who have it seem to really like it.

Play what you want. It's that simple. Unless someone is taking your money and making you buy the game, or the game is absolute trash, then you shouldn't care what people buy.

(The only reason you may care if someone buys a trash game, is because then it sends a message to companies they can make trash games ;) )
 
This is from the IGN boards. A guy went to Comic-con and played Lair, and this is what he had to say about it.


I finally got the chance to give Lair a good 20 minutes of play time at the Comic-con. Quite frankly, "disappointed" is the very last term I'd use to describe my feelings towards Lair. In fact, it's more along the lines of "I can't wait for August 14th to come around".

First, what seems to matter to you the most; the controls. Let me be honest: most first-time Lair players will NOT get a grip with the controls from the get-go. This is why Factor 5 have assembled a series of practice tutorials that you can use to hone you're dragon-flying skills. These tutorials include basic/advanced flight maneuvers, and basic/advanced combat techniques. It is IMPERATIVE that you pass all of these tutorials before you play the game and end up bitching about the controls.

Once I was done with all the tutorials, I was given a choice of levels to choose from over a map. Factor 5 seemed to use disjointed Arabic letters for the map locations, apparently to give it a sense of mysticism. For an Arabic speaker like myself, I found it to be both silly and a bit of an honor. Moving on...

The level I chose was the now infamous bridge level.

Visuals: Once the level booted up, the production levels behind the game just hit me in the face like a train. Intricately designed bridges, massive armies, huge sense of scope, majestic looking water, and of course: your own dragon, which itself is a spectacle in in-game animation. When you you witness all of these things on your screen at once, prepare for a change of underwear. On the demo I played, there were STILL issues with the framerate, especially when you get close to the bridge for landing amongst the army. I asked the Sony rep if the final game will have any framerate problems. He said: "Probably not, because Factor 5 finished the game a few days ago." Things to note: high-polygon beasties, beautiful water effects, and the best in-game dragon animations ever. To say that this game is eye-candy is an understatement.

Mid-air controls: smooth and easy as pie (bare in mind that I spent some time with the tutorials to get the hang of things). Between level objectives, there is nothing more satisfying than swooping around the bridge and shooting down a few dragons and engaging in mid-air combat. The sock-puppetry of the mid-air fights are gone, and now your dragon transitions smoothly from one well placed claw-swipe to a streaming breath of fire. Needless to say, these scenes are some of the coolest in the game.

Ground controls: Not as easy, but not a complete disaster either. You have the choice of swiping te enemy with your claws, shooting fire, or stomping the ground. The biggest problem here was the camera, where it almost always gives you a fine view of your dragon's arse. This definitely doesn't help if you have soldiers throwing harpoons at you from behind, or if you have a giant rhino charging in to ram you. I wasn't aware if this problem will be remedied by the game's release, or if there were any camera controls to try and improve the situation.

A couple more minutes later and I was done, desperately hungry for more.

Now, with all due respect to some reviewers out there, what I played was (IMHO) NOT average gaming material. The visuals don't allow it, its production values don't allow it, the gameplay doesn't allow it. All this said, one man's trash can always be another man's treasure, so my advice to you is to wait for the demo, download it, play it, be floored, then frantically run for your nearest game store to secure yourself a copy of what is sure to be one of the most memorable gaming experiences on the PS3 this year.
 
Screw paid professional reviewers for a magazine with a decade plus legacy, message board poster experience from comic-con is THE source.

CONFIRMED.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Screw paid professional reviewers for a magazine with a decade plus legacy, message board poster experience from comic-con is THE source.

CONFIRMED.[/QUOTE]

so one guy liked playing 20 minutes of it...nobody said he had the final word on it ;)
 
[quote name='jer7583']Screw paid professional reviewers for a magazine with a decade plus legacy, message board poster experience from comic-con is THE source.

CONFIRMED.[/QUOTE]

You! Drop the ironic title! Step away from the ironic user title!
 
It's normal to be cynical about a factor 5 game. I still want my $50 back for that terrible rebel strike game.

Maybe I'm getting old that it pisses me off when people get all hyped up about a game based on graphics despite a developer's sketchy track record. I'm going to go play something from 10 years ago. Screw next gen. $60 Tenchu Z on the top 15 means the apocalypse is due any day now, so have fun while you can.
 
[quote name='strayfoxx']All this talk about Lair and no Dragonheart reference? For shame CAG, for shame..[/QUOTE]
What reference?

And the dragons don't talk in LAIR (thank God), so thats +1 for it.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']I knew it. I fucking KNEW Lair was a piece of shit. I said it a million times before, it looks like a generic piece of shit with awful graphics and gameplay. Drakengard was crap, too, why would moving it to the PS3 and a Western developer fix that?

God, I hope the other reviews and public reaction is as bad. It's a tentpole PS3 game, and I called it as a piece of shit. Awesome.[/quote]


Dude... you say that about every PS3 game....

Idiot...
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']
Ground controls: Not as easy, but not a complete disaster either. You have the choice of swiping te enemy with your claws, shooting fire, or stomping the ground. The biggest problem here was the camera, where it almost always gives you a fine view of your dragon's arse. This definitely doesn't help if you have soldiers throwing harpoons at you from behind, or if you have a giant rhino charging in to ram you. I wasn't aware if this problem will be remedied by the game's release, or if there were any camera controls to try and improve the situation. [/quote]
After reading the review, that is the one major gripe EGM had with the game. Every one of the reviewers mention how awful the ground combat is. It's supposedly worse than Rebel Strike's on foot parts. They said it's better to just attack the soldiers from the air than ground attack. That and the final boss in the game is a castle(WTF?). Seems Factor 5 should just stick with air combat in their games. First Rebel Strike, now this.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']After reading the review, that is the one major gripe EGM had with the game. Every one of the reviewers mention how awful the ground combat is. It's supposedly worse than Rebel Strike's on foot parts. They said it's better to just attack the soldiers from the air than ground attack. That and the final boss in the game is a castle(WTF?). Seems Factor 5 should just stick with air combat in their games. First Rebel Strike, now this.[/QUOTE]
You never know, a castle could be cool.

Like how the last boss is Shadow of The Colossus
Was pretty much a building. He couldn't walk around or anything, but it was awesome for sure.

And it could compare to SoTC since the bosses look to be huge.
 
[quote name='zewone']I've got confirmation from an anonymous source in the EGM building, that these scores are indeed legit.[/QUOTE]
The EGM building should have been the boss in LAIR instead of the castle.

And even so...I just can't not get LAIR. The hype I've built up in my mind over this game won't let me ignore it.
 
[quote name='whoknows']And even so...I just can't not get LAIR. The hype I've built up in my mind over this game won't let me ignore it.[/quote]I know, me too.
The game LOOKS freaking awesome.
And I know the gameplay won't be perfect, but it isn't shit either.

It will be quite a treat for my eyes and ears.
 
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