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Friends and classmates of a 16-year-old girl who police say was murdered by her devout Muslim father in a Toronto suburb told local media Tuesday she was killed for not wearing a hijab.
Police said in a statement they received an emergency call at 7:55 am local time Monday from "a man who indicated that he had just killed his daughter."

The victim, Aqsa Parvez, was "rushed to hospital with life-threatening injuries, but tragically passed away late last night."

Her father, Muhammad Parvez, 57, was arrested at the scene and will be formally charged with murder when he appears in court Wednesday, said police.

The girl's friends, meanwhile, told local media she was having trouble at home because she did not conform to the family's religious beliefs and refused to wear a traditional Islamic head scarf, or hijab.

"She wanted to go different ways than her family wanted to go, and she wanted to make her own path, but he (her father) wouldn't let her," one of her classmates told public broadcaster CBC.

"She loved clothes," another of her friends, Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, told the daily Toronto Star. "She just wanted to show her beauty ... She just wanted to dress like us, just like a normal person."

According to her friends, Aqsa had worn the hijab at school last year, but rebelled in recent months.

They said she would leave home wearing a hijab and loose-fitting clothes, but would take off her head scarf and change into tighter garments at school, then change back before going home at the end of the day.

The victim's 26 year-old brother was also charged with obstructing police in the investigation.
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Doesn't the world make you sick? There is absolutely no excuse for this. None at all.
 
I can't wait for people to come in here and extrapolate this to all Muslims and Arabs.

edit: well shit, ZL's already done so.

Good thing everyone already knows he's a dumbass.
 
Who the fuck strangles their kid? There are plenty of ways he could've disciplined her or whatever, but at what point do you put your hands around their neck and choke them, that's just fucking ridiculous.
 
[quote name='getmeoutofjoliet']Who the fuck strangles their kid? There are plenty of ways he could've disciplined her or whatever, but at what point do you put your hands around their neck and choke them, that's just fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

He must have watched too many episodes of the Simpsons.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Ah the wonders of the Muslim religion...[/QUOTE]

ChrisBenoit062207.jpg


Muslim?
 
It's important to note that it's the victims friends saying that the victim's refusal to wear a hijab is the motive, not a police report or anything.
 
Ah, religion. Isn't faith just beautiful?

[quote name='Liquid 2']It's important to note that it's the victims friends saying that the victim's refusal to wear a hijab is the motive, not a police report or anything.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he was probably just trying to administer the heimlich maneuver or something. :roll:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

Muslim?[/quote]

Good point myke.

Chris Benoit was Christian and he killed his whole family. Islam has great people and bad people like any other faith.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Yeah, he was probably just trying to administer the heimlich maneuver or something. :roll:[/QUOTE]...what?

That has nothing to do with my post, dumbass.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
ChrisBenoit062207.jpg


Muslim?[/quote]

May be more VS forum oriented, but I don't believe the driving force behind Benoit's assault on his family was them failing to follow the Christian religion.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']...what?

That has nothing to do with my post, dumbass.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does. I'm saying whatever point your trying to make by attempting to discredit the report, is useless.

But for the sake of humouring you: what point were you trying to make? Why is it so "important to note" what you noted?
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Yes, it does. I'm saying whatever point your trying to make by attempting to discredit the report, is useless.

But for the sake of humouring you: what point were you trying to make? Why is it so "important to note" what you noted?[/QUOTE]

It's important to note that if the true motive was not the wearing or not wearing of the hijab, then the strangling would have nothing to do with the fact that the family is Muslim. Therefore religion would have nothing to do with it.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Yes, it does. I'm saying whatever point your trying to make by attempting to discredit the report, is useless.

But for the sake of humouring you: what point were you trying to make? Why is it so "important to note" what you noted?[/quote]

You don't read do you? He was saying that it's not confirmed if the fasion was even the motive. He may have strangled the broad for shits and giggles, not religious connotations.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Yes, it does. I'm saying whatever point your trying to make by attempting to discredit the report, is useless.

But for the sake of humouring you: what point were you trying to make? Why is it so "important to note" what you noted?[/QUOTE]
The victim's friends can't know the father's motivation was the rebelliousness/religious conflicts for sure.

How many teens are rebellious? Most, if not all.
How many are strangled by their fathers?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Muslim?[/QUOTE]
So you're saying Christ Benoit killed his family because they denied the trinity or something?

If not you have no point.
 
I think what he's trying to say (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's important to note that this girl may have not been killed for not wearing a hijab. Just because some friends of the family say that's what they think, it doesn't make it true. For all we know, she was killed because her father had been molesting her and she was about to go to the police or something.

The reason why this is "important to note" is because there is no credible evidence (at this time) linking this horrible crime to any particular set of religious beliefs. Yet, there are those in this thread who are ready to blame one particular set of religious beliefs based on this lack of evidence.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']The victim's friends can't know the father's motivation was the rebelliousness/religious conflicts for sure.[/QUOTE]
But if the cops had said it, then it's God's holy word (no pun intended).

[quote name='UncleBob']Yet, there are those in this thread who are ready to blame one particular set of religious beliefs based on this lack of evidence.[/QUOTE]
Based on this lack of evidence? What? That's nonsense. We're basing it on the only evidence there is.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']But if the cops had said it, then it's God's holy word (no pun intended).[/quote]

All you're doing is ignoring any evidence that removes religious motivation.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Good point myke.

Chris Benoit was Christian and he killed his whole family. Islam has great people and bad people like any other faith.[/quote]Islam has more insane people though ;)
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']All you're doing is ignoring any evidence that removes religious motivation.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry... there's now evidence that this was done for non-religious reasons? Do we have a link to this sudden new development or is this evidence just in your mind?
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']But if the cops had said it, then it's God's holy word (no pun intended).


Based on this lack of evidence? What? That's nonsense. We're basing it on the only evidence there is.[/QUOTE]


Ideally, the cops would be looking at this from a more neutral point of view in an effort to get the facts straight. If the "only evidence there is" is here-say, then there is no evidence to judge.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']I'm sorry... there's now evidence that this was done for non-religious reasons? Do we have a link to this sudden new development or is this evidence just in your mind?[/quote]

I;m sorry, there's evidence that this is religiously motivated (beyond your apparent prejudice against muslims), or is it just your bigotry?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Ideally, the cops would be looking at this from a more neutral point of view in an effort to get the facts straight. If the "only evidence there is" is here-say, then there is no evidence to judge.[/QUOTE]
Whereas the muslim girl's friends are all biased and are banding together with the agenda of tarnishing the good name of islam.
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']I;m sorry, there's evidence that this is religiously motivated (beyond your apparent prejudice against muslims), or is it just your bigotry?[/QUOTE]Reading is a wonderful skill, isn't it? I'm glad I learned it at an early age:

The girl's friends, meanwhile, told local media she was having trouble at home because she did not conform to the family's religious beliefs and refused to wear a traditional Islamic head scarf, or hijab.

"She wanted to go different ways than her family wanted to go, and she wanted to make her own path, but he (her father) wouldn't let her," one of her classmates told public broadcaster CBC.

"She loved clothes," another of her friends, Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, told the daily Toronto Star. "She just wanted to show her beauty ... She just wanted to dress like us, just like a normal person."

According to her friends, Aqsa had worn the hijab at school last year, but rebelled in recent months.

They said she would leave home wearing a hijab and loose-fitting clothes, but would take off her head scarf and change into tighter garments at school, then change back before going home at the end of the day.
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And while we're on the subject of "bigotry"

"Bigot n. A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own"

Well, yeah, I'm pretty prejudiced against a lifestyle that involves strangling your children for not wearing the black shawl you force them under. Apparently I'm supposed to be oh so tolerant of the vicious slaughter of human beings.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I think what he's trying to say (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's important to note that this girl may have not been killed for not wearing a hijab. Just because some friends of the family say that's what they think, it doesn't make it true. For all we know, she was killed because her father had been molesting her and she was about to go to the police or something.

The reason why this is "important to note" is because there is no credible evidence (at this time) linking this horrible crime to any particular set of religious beliefs. Yet, there are those in this thread who are ready to blame one particular set of religious beliefs based on this lack of evidence.[/QUOTE]
You are absolutely correct. Thanks. :)

[quote name='UncleBob']Ideally, the cops would be looking at this from a more neutral point of view in an effort to get the facts straight. If the "only evidence there is" is here-say, then there is no evidence to judge.[/QUOTE]Very true.


[quote name='apokalipze2']Islam has more insane people though ;) [/QUOTE]:roll:
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Chris Benoit was Christian and he killed his whole family. Islam has great people and bad people like any other faith.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is trying to say the man is an evil person because he is a muslim. He's an evil person because he strangled his daughter. Something that would have never happened but for beautiful "faith".
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']It's important to note that if the true motive was not the wearing or not wearing of the hijab, then the strangling would have nothing to do with the fact that the family is Muslim. Therefore religion would have nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]
So you have a pre-existing agenda to look on islam in the best light possible, and it's ever so very important to apply this agenda when interpreting evidence, and anyone who doesn't toss out the witness of others when it conflicts with this agenda is labeled a bigot.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']It's important to note that if the true motive was not the wearing or not wearing of the hijab, then the strangling would have nothing to do with the fact that the family is Muslim. Therefore religion would have nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]
So you have a pre-existing agenda to look on islam in the best light possible, and it's ever so very important to apply this agenda when interpreting evidence, and anyone who doesn't toss out the witness of others when it conflicts with this agenda is labeled a bigot.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Nobody is trying to say the man is an evil person because he is a muslim. He's an evil person because he strangled his daughter. Something that would have never happened but for beautiful "faith".[/quote]

Really. So if some, say Jewish, guy goes out and kills you for infecting the gene pool, it's all because he's jewish, and not because you're an idiot?

Or take for example someone like Ted Bundy, did he kill all those people because he was a religious man (was he even one?)
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']Really. So if some, say Jewish, guy goes out and kills you for infecting the gene pool, it's all because he's jewish, and not because you're an idiot?[/quote]Unless there is something in the Hebrew religion about me infecting the gene pool, then no.

Or take for example someone like Ted Bundy, did he kill all those people because he was a religious man (was he even one?)
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How was there ever any evidence that Ted Bundy's acts stemmed from religion?

All compared to this death, which based on all reports, was over the Hijab (which is religious, btw).
 
Unless there is a passage in the Koran telling a father to strangle his daughter if she doesn't wear a Hijab, why blame this on religion? If a Christian strangles his wife because she coveted their neighboor are all Christians crazy?
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Whereas the muslim girl's friends are all biased and are banding together with the agenda of tarnishing the good name of islam.[/QUOTE]

We don't know their motives. They could be telling the truth. In fact, re-reading the article again, not a single one of her friends (in the article linked to, at least) said the girl was killed for not wearing a hijab. They simply spoke of the issues regarding her father, his religion, and his daughter's views of it and conflicts with it...

It seems the police haven't even commented on a motive yet. Again, for all we know, the man could have been abusing his daughter sexually and snapped when she said she was going to come out about it. She could have been stealing money from him (which doesn't at all excuse what he did in any way, shape or form). He could have been high on meth and just killed her. We don't know that the murder had anything at all to do with their arguments on religion at this point.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']Unless there is a passage in the Koran telling a father to strangle his daughter if she doesn't wear a Hijab, why blame this on religion? If a Christian strangles his wife because she coveted their neighboor are all Christians crazy?[/QUOTE]
Who the fuck said all Muslims are crazy?

If a Christian strangled his wife because she coveted their neighbor, I would say the exact same thing about it as I did about this:

"Ah, religion. Isn't faith just beautiful?"

I'm not blaming this on religion, I'm saying if you removed faith from the equation this wouldn't have happened. Which is odd, because faith is supposed to be so beautiful and everything, and religion is supposed to be ever so peaceful and good.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Who the fuck said all Muslims are crazy?[/QUOTE]

Fine, argue with semantics. If the above scenario happened, would you post something snarky about Christianity? I doubt it.

Oops, not so fast, you will claim whatever you want to continue trolling. I lose.

Edit for clarity of the thread, I posted when Pyro had just what I quoted, then he edited as I was typing my response. And lo and behold, I'm like fucking Ms. Cleo and predicted the future.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']Fine, argue with semantics. If the above scenario happened, would you post something snarky about Christianity? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
Then you're a presumptuous prick.

There is nothing I have ever posted that would give the impression I am prejudiced against islam in particular, or have any affinity whatsoever towards the Christian religion.

If you honestly think the difference between a sarcastic comment about faith, and declaring every muslim in existence is insane, is simply a matter of petty semantics, you are a complete idiot.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']I'm saying if you removed faith from the equation this wouldn't have happened.[/QUOTE]

You don't know that either. No one does. There's no evidence to say that his "faith" was the only reason (or even a reason at all) this happened. You're making assumptions based on your own limited view surrounding the events.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']You don't know that either. No one does.[/QUOTE]
For some reason I doubt the father would have strangled his daughter for not wearing her hijab if he didn't believe she was supposed to wear one. But you're right, anything's possible, perhaps we should turn this thread into a discussion of indeterminism/causality :roll:
 
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