Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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[quote name='rsigley']this guy is saying all those warner going blu blog articles are false!

http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?p=677

blogs are awesome[/QUOTE]

All that means is that they have not made an announcement. All of this is speculation, but that is akin to Sony saying the 40gig PS3 didn't exist before they announced it.

#1 Who is this guy? The person quoted in the other blog was the same guy to break the news of Paramounts exclusivity.

#2 That blog is 100% anti blu-ray. What else do you expect. The other news source showing a lean towards blu-ray is very neutral.

Warners has signaled that its choice will be determined by which marketer can sell more DVDs this holiday season.
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How quickly we throw out other statements Warner has made.
 
Sony is covering the cost for Warner to have a BOGO, hence the Sony/Warner BOGO deal right now. Looks like Sony is trying to woo WB over. This is OK, right? Its not OK if Toshiba does it for Paramount/Dreamworks though, right?

Or, Warner is clearing Blu-ray stock so they can go HD DVD exclusive :cool:
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Sony is covering the cost for Warner to have a BOGO, hence the Sony/Warner BOGO deal right now. Looks like Sony is trying to woo WB over. This is OK, right?[/QUOTE]

Who are you asking? The only person I see complaining about BOGOs is you.
 
[quote name='doctorfaustus']From the "It's not over until the fat lady sings" file:

Next wave of HDTV adopters may lean to HD DVD

I guess the 90,000 units sold on BF are going to have an impact in the HD wars.[/QUOTE]

I still think the price of HDTVs and HD movies are still going to keep this 'next wave' from adopting for a little while longer.
 
[quote name='doctorfaustus']From the "It's not over until the fat lady sings" file:

Next wave of HDTV adopters may lean to HD DVD

I guess the 90,000 units sold on BF are going to have an impact in the HD wars.[/quote]
Nice find. If that's true that will really help out HD DVD.

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[quote name='dpatel']I still think the price of HDTVs and HD movies are still going to keep this 'next wave' from adopting for a little while longer.[/quote]
HD movies yes. HDTVs no. You can get a decent quality, midsize HDTV for under a grand now, and that's not too much for an average consumer.
 
I think HDTVs are being adopted faster than anyone thinks.

I remember reading a recent stat showing just how fast it's grown.
If anyone's buying a new TV, it's going to be an HDTV.
 
HOORAY! CC and BB doing a BOGO all but guarentee's Amazon will as well. And then hopefully I can finally pick up Crank and another movie I want at a good price.

And looks like the HD-DVD side is finally getting as desperate as the Blu-ray side with their BOGO. ;)
 
[quote name='dpatel']Who are you asking? The only person I see complaining about BOGOs is you.[/quote]

Just put him in your ignore list. I have for a while now.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Samsung's Blu-ray player gets its price lowered even further.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Costco/Amazon/Samsung/High-Def_Retailing/Samsung_Blu-ray_Player_Hits_New_Low_of_$270_/1256[/quote]
but but ATTACH RATES! This could be a sign of big things to come for Blu-ray and I hope more companies follow suit.

I don't think so Geko, Amazon always has products at a lower price probably just did this to in accordance with that. Either way, 270$ for that player is a sick deal.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']I don't think so Geko, Amazon always has products at a lower price probably just did this to in accordance with that. Either way, 270$ for that player is a sick deal.[/quote]
Oh my bad, I somehow read into it that stores like BB were dropping the price further. Then yeah, nothing unusual at all. I'm actually surprised Costco only discounted it another $20.

Maybe this bodes well for their dual player.... :)
 
The first price cut looked like it was done on the manufacturer end, given the uniformity of it all.

This one just looks like retailers gettin' competitive with each other. Nothin' more to see here, IMO.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The first price cut looked like it was done on the manufacturer end, given the uniformity of it all.

This one just looks like retailers gettin' competitive with each other. Nothin' more to see here, IMO.[/quote]

Exactly. And Yeah Geko, kind of odd how they sell a Blu-ray player for 300, but their combo is 799.....

http://kotaku.com/gaming/playstatio...eek-in-europe-but-may-miss-targets-332569.php

And the Ps3 is selling 200,000 units a week in Europe. That's crazy. Europe is sony land and will give more momentum for Blu-ray around the world.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The first price cut looked like it was done on the manufacturer end, given the uniformity of it all.

This one just looks like retailers gettin' competitive with each other. Nothin' more to see here, IMO.[/quote]
Yeah I agree. Just misread the initial article.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Exactly. And Yeah Geko, kind of odd how they sell a Blu-ray player for 300, but their combo is 799.....[/quote]
Actually most places are selling it for $500. It still needs to get cheaper, naturally, but it doesn't have to come down a whole lot to become instantly attractive to a whole lot of people.
 
[quote name='geko29']Yeah I agree. Just misread the initial article.


Actually most places are selling it for $500. It still needs to get cheaper, naturally, but it doesn't have to come down a whole lot to become instantly attractive to a whole lot of people.[/quote]

Almost the same price as a PS3, but I wouldn't buy one until I find out what Warner does.
 
According to engadget's Darren Murph, Toshiba is planning to cut the HD DVD MSRP by two dollars. Nothing colossal here, but news is news.

Personally, I think that the first HD media to reach the sweet spot of fifteen dollars will see an increase in sales. The average consumer sees very little value in buying into the the current HD media when DVDs can be purchased for a substantially lower price. If consumers start to see competitively priced HD media in the store shelves alongside standard definition DVDs, they will most like begin to see HD media as a worthwhile purchase.
 
Toshiba isn't lowering the price by two dollars, merely pointing out that an average HD DVD has an MSRP that is two dollars lower than that of an average Blu-Ray. You can thank Fox and Sony for that, Toshiba has nothing to do with it.
 
Sony...Again, Really?

http://www.tvpredictions.com/stringer121107.htm
Sony CEO Damns Blu-ray With Faint Praise -- Again
CEO Howard Stringer says it's unclear which high-def disc format war will win.
By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (December 11, 2007) -- Sony's Howard Stringer is at it again.

The chief executive of Sony, the top supporter of the Blu-ray high-def DVD format, tells the Associated Press that he doesn't know whether Blu-ray or HD DVD will win the format war.

Stringer said he believes Blu-ray is winning, but suggested that his company's format fave is hardly running away with the race.

"We have momentum," he told the wire service this week. "But that's all we have at the moment."

Last month, Stringer said in a speech in New York that the battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD had become a "stalemate." (Blu-ray and HD DVD are rival formats competing for the new high-def disc audience.)

Saying it's a "difficult fight," Stringer even openly speculated what Sony would do if HD DVD prevailed. (Basically, stop including Blu-ray players in Play Station 3 game consoles.)

The comments ignited a storm of controversy at blogs and Internet message boards with some posters saying that Stringer seemed to be throwing in the towel.

The Sony chief seemed to try to make amends a few weeks later in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter.

He told the publication that Blu-ray has the "scale" to eventually defeat HD DVD.

The Sony executive noted that four major studios, including Disney and Fox, are exclusively supporting Blu-ray over HD DVD. (Two majors are backing HD DVD exclusively; studios that back one format over another only release titles in that format.)

But now Stringer appears to have reversed course once again, saying all that Blu-ray has is "momentum."

Stringer's remarks are at odds with other Blu-ray backers such as executives at Panasonic who have said Blu-ray has already won.

His latest comments could fuel more speculation that Sony would be open to a single format negotiation with Toshiba, the leading supporter of HD DVD.
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[quote name='geko29']Toshiba isn't lowering the price by two dollars, merely pointing out that an average HD DVD has an MSRP that is two dollars lower than that of an average Blu-Ray. You can thank Fox and Sony for that, Toshiba has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

Thank god MGM doesn't release many titles or it would be even higher. QUICK! PARAMOUNT! RELEASE MORE 40$ MSRP TITLES!
 
Quick question, to be battled with both facts and opinion: does MSRP matter? Who the tits spends over $25 (worst case scenario) on a hidef movie (boxsets notwithstanding)?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Quick question, to be battled with both facts and opinion: does MSRP matter? Who the tits spends over $25 (worst case scenario) on a hidef movie (boxsets notwithstanding)?[/QUOTE]

Ultimately, it matters if this price-cut is somehow implemented by the retailers that are already pricing their HD media in a competitive manner; for example, if amazon.com actually cuts prices from 19.95 to 17.95, then it matters.

But, you're right, who here on CAG buys HD movies at MSRP? I forgot how fucking ridiculous some of these MSRPs actually are! Oh, and 25 bones is not the worst case scenario.
Take a gander at this
Children of Men $39.99.
Yippe, $2 off a 40 dollar movie!
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Though its only been a year, its obvious to everyone that its not selling as hot as the PS2 did. To call it the GameCube of this generation is premature, but it seems that way at the moment. I know that this is a non gaming related thread, but its still on topic. Blu-Ray is a major part of PS3.[/QUOTE]I don't want to pull a TMK here, but the PS3 had some pretty bad ass competition compared to PSX and PS2. The 360 just hammered in the games, and PS3's exclusives were lost before it got launched. Calling it Gamecube though, that's pretty low.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']I don't want to pull a TMK here, but the PS3 had some pretty bad ass competition compared to PSX and PS2. The 360 just hammered in the games, and PS3's exclusives were lost before it got launched. Calling it Gamecube though, that's pretty low.[/quote]

I know what you mean...and yeah its too soon to say but for the time being it sorta is. That Drake's Fortune game keeps calling my name...and I just got Time Crisis 4 from the $49.99 Amazon.com sale, so atleast I have one game I'll be playing when I end up buying a PS3 at some point ;).

BOT - I can't wait to see what the Nielsens numbers look like next week for this week. With Bourne, Harry Potter, Amazon's BOGO...good times!--Just hope it pays off.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Quick question, to be battled with both facts and opinion: does MSRP matter? Who the tits spends over $25 (worst case scenario) on a hidef movie (boxsets notwithstanding)?[/quote]

Everyone who bought Superbad last week paid over 25 bucks (unless they were an employee or got some special discount). I know I was pretty pissed that wasn't on sale.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Everyone who bought Superbad last week paid over 25 bucks (unless they were an employee or got some special discount). I know I was pretty pissed that wasn't on sale.[/QUOTE]


Actually, that was the first movie I bought that was priced at $30, but I used $30 in Best Buy reward zone certificates.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Everyone who bought Superbad last week paid over 25 bucks (unless they were an employee or got some special discount). I know I was pretty pissed that wasn't on sale.[/QUOTE]

Yikes, I guess it's just me, but I would not pay 25+ for a teen comedy.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Its a POS machine that can't even play Live Free, 3 weeks after its release. Avoid this by all means.[/quote]

Haha. POS?

Try a 1080i (i!) HDDVD player... NOW THATS A POS.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Haha. POS?

Try a 1080i (i!) HDDVD player... NOW THATS A POS.[/quote]

Because "1080i is for douchebags" amirite Guyver ;)
 
MSRP doesn't matter to CAGs, but I'm sure there are plenty of consumers who pay full price for these movies at B&M stores (what a shame).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Quick question, to be battled with both facts and opinion: does MSRP matter? Who the tits spends over $25 (worst case scenario) on a hidef movie (boxsets notwithstanding)?[/quote]
It matters in that it affects final retail price. Even with the 10% Amazon discount, which most people don't get and is expiring in 3 weeks, $40 MSRP movies cost me $25.15. Without the discount, they're $27.95. Until this month, if you wanted a Fox, MGM, Paramount or Warner title that MSRP'd at $40, that was the best you could do. The BOGOs obviously change that, but they haven't been offering them for the seventeen months I've been buying movies. For titles that MSRP above $40 (Spider-Man 3, Superbad, CE3K), you're looking at $28.95-$32.95, best case scenario.

So yes, MSRP matters. :)
 
[quote name='doctorfaustus']Ultimately, it matters if this price-cut is somehow implemented by the retailers that are already pricing their HD media in a competitive manner; for example, if amazon.com actually cuts prices from 19.95 to 17.95, then it matters. [/quote]
Again, this is not a price cut. It's Engadget fucking up a sound byte from an interview last week (I think it was last week). The retail price of "each Blu-Ray disc" is not $33.74, nor is the MSRP of "each HD DVD disc" dropping to $31.74. Those prices are completely nonsensical. What they actually are is average prices among all (single) titles.

Toshiba has absolutely no control over how the studios price their movies. If they tried, they'd be slapped with an injunction and a stiff penalty faster than you can say "wow, $38 isn't much cheaper than $40" because such collusion is HIGHLY illegal.

Edit: here's the sound byte. You can clearly see it's an independent company who did a survey and averaged CURRENT MSRPs of HD DVD and Blu-Ray titles:
Toshiba is pressing the case that because its technology is cheaper, it will more quickly become a mass-market product. According to the DVD Release Report, an industry newsletter, the suggested retail price of an HD DVD is $31.74, nearly $2 less than Blu-ray's suggested price. [Retailers traditionally cut the price to less than $29.]
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http://in.biz.yahoo.com/071206/129/6o7ia.html
 
Although there were no sales, with all the extra's Superbad included and the High quality transfer compartively speaking 29.99 for it isn't THAT bad.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=953612

So this guy over at AVS ordered the Harry Potter gift set on blu-ray and 5 out of the 6 movies were Blu-ray and one movie was HD-DVD.
Looks like HD-DVD is getting so desperate is paying Warner to give HD-DVD in Blu-ray packaging in order to convince the blu-side to come over. ;)
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Although there were no sales, with all the extra's Superbad included and the High quality transfer compartively speaking 29.99 for it isn't THAT bad.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=953612

So this guy over at AVS ordered the Harry Potter gift set on blu-ray and 5 out of the 6 movies were Blu-ray and one movie was HD-DVD.
Looks like HD-DVD is getting so desperate is paying Warner to give HD-DVD in Blu-ray packaging in order to convince the blu-side to come over. ;)[/QUOTE]

That was totally expected, honestly. The packaging for the two sets is identical in almost every way, except for the cardboard label on the front in blue or red. The cases are similar as well, so unless you're looking at every label on every disc, or for the BD/HD label in the back corner of each cardboard case, then a mistake could easily happen.

That said, I'll be looking at my set here in a bit to double check I'm not accidentally format neutral all of a sudden. ;)
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Although there were no sales, with all the extra's Superbad included and the High quality transfer compartively speaking 29.99 for it isn't THAT bad.[/quote]
Then you don't object to $27.95 for Transformers, given it's got a ton of extras and has a top-notch transfer. I think both are too high, though with the 10% discount I'll begrudgingly pay.

Unless the sales keep up, I predict my HDM purchases will go down drastically next year when the discount expires. $20 is impulse purchase territory for me, $25 is worth consideration. Any more than that requires thinking long and hard about how many times I'll watch it and whether the price is worthwhile.
 
[quote name='dallow']I'll wait for some kind of coupon for Superbad.

No to $30 movies unless it's some kind of import or rare film.[/QUOTE]

if you don't mind waiting on MIR, i got it for $18 + tax at FYE.com
 
[quote name='geko29']Thought you guys would get a kick out of the stupidest people I've yet seen in this here format war:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=950055

In a nutshell: Retards think HD DVD-Audio is the future of music, and hopelessly cling to that possibility no matter how many times it is proven to be rediculous.[/QUOTE]

ha i was just browsing avs and i read that thread and laughed too

then i check here, go figure
 
[quote name='geko29']Then you don't object to $27.95 for Transformers, given it's got a ton of extras and has a top-notch transfer. I think both are too high, though with the 10% discount I'll begrudgingly pay.

Unless the sales keep up, I predict my HDM purchases will go down drastically next year when the discount expires. $20 is impulse purchase territory for me, $25 is worth consideration. Any more than that requires thinking long and hard about how many times I'll watch it and whether the price is worthwhile.[/quote]
I agree, I Was just saying compared to what some companies offer on some discs, I don't think 29.99 for a feature laden disc is a "Bad deal" comparitively speaking. I spent 29.99 on Casino Royale when it first came out and while expensive, I wasn't upset or anything. Although I hope prices come down soon. I just object to transformers because of no loss-less audio. ;) And the fact that HD-DVD is supposed to be "So" much cheaper and yet at Target Superbad was 29.99 when it came out and so was Transformers. Some savings.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']I agree, I Was just saying compared to what some companies offer on some discs, I don't think 29.99 for a feature laden disc is a "Bad deal" comparitively speaking. I spent 29.99 on Casino Royale when it first came out and while expensive, I wasn't upset or anything. Although I hope prices come down soon. I just object to transformers because of no loss-less audio. ;) And the fact that HD-DVD is supposed to be "So" much cheaper and yet at Target Superbad was 29.99 when it came out and so was Transformers. Some savings.[/QUOTE]


The 2 disc set of Superbad on DVD with the same content is $24.99 to $29.99 anyway. Ill spend $5 to get it all in HD.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']The 2 disc set of Superbad on DVD with the same content is $24.99 to $29.99 anyway. Ill spend $5 to get it all in HD.[/quote]
Same situation and spread for Transformers. $22.99 vs. $27.95. I still object to both. :)
 
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