Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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[quote name='Inf^Shini']Hmmm....the sooner it ends, the better. Thanks for the article Dallow[/QUOTE]

is it tho?

i bet the BOGO's would be less frequent

less pressure for sony to develop 1.1 firmware which has already been delayed so much

isn't there still only 2 production plants after a year, how will they meet the high demand/how long til more are made
 
[quote name='dallow']Quote from VP at Lionsgate:[/QUOTE]

Not VP; Vice-Chairman. He's the #2 enchilada over there, so it's not some pithy know-nothing suit saying this. Or, rather, alluding to this.

I'm not going to hold my breath, of course, between now and CES. They'd shoot themselves in the foot if they announced they were dropping HD DVD support before Christmas, and I doubt you'll see much in the way of news between now and CES anyway.

On the other side, rumors point to an interesting comeback for HD DVD this week, as they (rumored, again) got 42% of the hidef video market. BR, meanwhile, got 58%.

What were last week's significant releases?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Not VP; Vice-Chairman. He's the #2 enchilada over there, so it's not some pithy know-nothing suit saying this. Or, rather, alluding to this.

I'm not going to hold my breath, of course, between now and CES. They'd shoot themselves in the foot if they announced they were dropping HD DVD support before Christmas, and I doubt you'll see much in the way of news between now and CES anyway.

On the other side, rumors point to an interesting comeback for HD DVD this week, as they (rumored, again) got 42% of the hidef video market. BR, meanwhile, got 58%.

What were last week's significant releases?[/quote]It was HD DVD's best chance for the rest of the year.

Blu had:
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade (Bandai Visual) (never hit stores and only on order)
The Omega Man (Warner)
Paprika (Sony)
I Know Who Killed Me (Sony)

HD had:
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks)
Hot Rod (Paramount)
Mr. Bean's Holiday (Universal)
Old School (Paramount)
The Omega Man (Warner)
 
Interesting development.

And I think Bourne will be good for HDDVD, I doubt it will do anything near tip the scales, but show some decent support.
 
[quote name='dallow']:snip:
Quote from VP at Lionsgate
:snip:
[/quote]

I love that it's...
1) A rumor.
2) Acknowledged as a rumor by a Blu-ray studio exec.

He's just repeating what we know now: Warner will probably choose a side after this holiday season.
 
[quote name='dallow']It was HD DVD's best chance for the rest of the year.

Blu had:
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade (Bandai Visual) (never hit stores and only on order)
The Omega Man (Warner)
Paprika (Sony)
I Know Who Killed Me (Sony)

HD had:
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks)
Hot Rod (Paramount)
Mr. Bean's Holiday (Universal)
Old School (Paramount)
The Omega Man (Warner)[/QUOTE]

Absolutely *NONE* of those titles had a shot in hell of selling more than 10,000 discs, so while the releases sure don't look promising for BR comparatively, it's moot. Put Bourne up against that BR lineup, though, and things look shaky.

IOW, I ain't scared of no "Hot Rod." :lol:

I don't think Bourne will have such a huge impact, because there are enough (e.g., Harry Potter) releases so as to dampen (somewhat, just somewhat) Bourne's impact. Bourne could easily be #1 next week, but I don't think it has a chance of helping HD reach that magical 50%. I don't think, in fact, they'll even get 40% next week (so we'll find out on the 21st).
 
Penton-Man over at the Blu forums says the rumor has teeth, and hinted how much it's squeezing Universal's support.

If you know who Penton-Man is, then well...
I'm crossing my fingers.
 
[quote name='dallow']Penton-Man over at the Blu forums says the rumor has teeth, and hinted how much it's squeezing Universal's support.

If you know who Penton-Man is, then well...
I'm crossing my fingers.[/QUOTE]

He's a Blu-Boi!

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:
 
[quote name='dallow']Penton was the guy who leaked the info on Paramount going HD DVD.[/quote]

He was also the one who said that Target was going completely Blu-ray exclusive and dropping support for HD DVD, including movies.
 
Bourne Week

Blu-ray
Harry Potter
Lost Season 3
High School Musical 2
Legend of Zorro
Rent

HD DVD
Bourne Ultimatium
Harry Potter


it will be interesting to see which version of Harry potter sells the most
 
I think that with releases on both platforms usually Blu-Ray takes the win...the only time I've seen HD DVD beat them is with Planet Earth. I don't see that changing but it will be interesting nontheless.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I think that with releases on both platforms usually Blu-Ray takes the win...the only time I've seen HD DVD beat them is with Planet Earth. I don't see that changing but it will be interesting nontheless.[/quote]
I would consider Harry Potter one of those "gamer" movies, so I do see Blu-ray possibly winning, but it's going to be oh so close.
 
is the lfe input a solo input..maybe im calling it wrong

on the back of the onkyo 605.. for subwoofer there is only one purple output

on the back of the polk there is a l/r rca line in..

is there a special cable i need?
 
Numbers are out.

Week: 58/42
YTD: 65/35
SI: 62/38

Code: 
Top 10 by SKU:

1.  Live Free or Die Hard            100
2.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series HD    97.66
3.  Spider-Man 3                65.45
4.  Transformers                57.22
5.  Ratatouille                    56.67
6.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series BR    54.08
7.  300 BR                    42.70
8.  Shrek the Third                40.50
9.  Ocean's Thirteen BR                28.86
10. Hairspray                    24.56

xx. Top Gun                    19.14
xx. Star Trek: The Original Series - Season One    18.35
xx. Ocean's Thirteen HD                17.27
xx. 300 HD                    16.86


Top 10 by Title:

1.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        100
2.  Live Free or Die Hard            65.90
3.  Spider-Man 3                43.13
4.  300                        39.25
5.  Transformers                37.71
6.  Ratatouille                    37.35
7.  Ocean's Thirteen                30.40
8.  Shrek the Third                26.69
9.  The Polar Express                19.63
10. The Departed                17.92

xx. Hairspray                    16.19
xx. Top Gun                    12.62
xx. Star Trek: The Original Series - Season One    12.09


Top 5 Blu-Ray:

1.  Live Free or Die Hard            100
2.  Spider-Man 3                65.45
3.  Ratatouille                    56.67
4.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        54.08
5.  300                        42.70

Top 5 HD DVD:

1.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        100
2.  Transformers                58.59
3.  Shrek the Third                41.47
4.  Top Gun                    19.60
5.  Star Trek: The Original Series - Season One    18.79
 
[quote name='guyver2077']is the lfe input a solo input..maybe im calling it wrong

on the back of the onkyo 605.. for subwoofer there is only one purple output

on the back of the polk there is a l/r rca line in[/quote]
RTFM man. :D Page 11:

OPTION #1—
Receivers that include a “Sub Out” feature—the most common hookup method with Dolby® Digital receivers.

PSW10—
NOTE: The PSW10 subwoofer does not have an LFE input. Instead, use either the L or R Line input (another hookup option is to use a Y-split cable and connect both L and R Line inputs). After you make this Sub Out connection, turn the "Low Pass" filter fully clockwise. This will in effect create an LFE input.
Click to expand...
 
wow .. wtf are those for...

i was kinda shocked to see the newer screwing style on the back of the onkyo... i was like wtf..

i was expecting the traditional old style where you press down the level and insert the wire


another stupid noob question... im trying out the a3 and true hd..

is it supposed to display true hd on the receiver.. i cant tell if im doing it right... theres so many freaking settings..
 
[quote name='guyver2077']wow .. wtf are those for...

i was kinda shocked to see the newer screwing style on the back of the onkyo... i was like wtf..

i was expecting the traditional old style where you press down the level and insert the wire[/quote]

You mount them to the wire. There's two ways to do it. push the bare wire through the hole in the back, bend it out the sides and tighten; or push the wire through the side, bend it into the hole in the screw (toward the back) and tighten.

Once they're on, you just push the whole thing into the binding posts in the back of your receiver.

And that's actually what your speaker terminals are called--binding posts. They're not new, but they were higher-end for a while, and have slowly been trickling down to less expensive gear. They're nice because there are 5 ways you can hook up the wire:

1) banana plugs (preferred)
2) spade lugs (second choice)
3) put the wire through the hole and tighten
4) wrap the wire around the post and tighten
5) run the wire straight through the guide on the (left?) side and tighten

The reason higher-end gear doesn't use the spring terminals is because they can't be designed to handle a wide range of wire gauges well. Ones that can tolerate 10 or 12ga wire can't grip a 16 or 18ga, and the ones that can clamp down on 16 or 18ga can't open wide enough to accept 12ga.

Banana plugs just rule because it lets you do the hard part (fishing and clamping the wire) in a more convenient place where you have room to work, as opposed to when you're hunched over the back of your receiver. It makes future disconnects/reconnects 100x easier as well.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Pretty close numbers for that week. What version of Ocean's Thirteen was on the list Geko?[/quote] Sorry, wasn't paying attention. It was the Blu-Ray version. Updated the list with ratios for both versions.
 
[quote name='geko29']Sorry, wasn't paying attention. It was the Blu-Ray version. Updated the list with ratios for both versions.[/quote]

So what's the surprise?
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']So what's the surprise?[/quote]
I'm guessing it's how close the numbers were, given that LFODH and SM3 are still relatively recent blockbuster releases, vs. no worthwhile exclusives or very recent blockbusters on the red side, and that PE outsold SM3, Transformers and Ratatouille by such a wide margin. And you have to admit that it is kinda funny that the 4th biggest release of the year was outsold 3:2 in its second week by a $100 documentary that's been out almost 8 months. :) Just an odd week, overall. FWIW, I was off by 8 (I guessed 66:34).

But the thread's closed now, so don't think we'll ever know for sure what the "surprise" was.
 
[quote name='geko29']I'm guessing it's how close the numbers were, given that LFODH and SM3 are still relatively recent blockbuster releases, vs. no worthwhile exclusives or very recent blockbusters on the red side, and that PE outsold SM3, Transformers and Ratatouille by such a wide margin. And you have to admit that it is kinda funny that the 4th biggest release of the year was outsold 3:2 in its second week by a $100 documentary that's been out almost 8 months. :) Just an odd week, overall. FWIW, I was off by 8 (I guessed 66:34).

But the thread's closed now, so don't think we'll ever know for sure what the "surprise" was.[/quote]

I see, still, Blu-ray outsold HD-DVD 58-42 which is all that matters. HOw is Planet Earth still selling so well on both sides? Makes no sense. And LFODH I am sure is selling crappy because every blu-ray owners is waiting for the inevitable Unrated release.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']I see, still, Blu-ray outsold HD-DVD 58-42[/quote] That it did. I'd disagree that it's ALL that matters, but it is certainly important.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']HOw is Planet Earth still selling so well on both sides? Makes no sense.[/quote] The prevailing theory is that it's emblematic of new owners. People who get into HiDef want some impressive demo material, ergo some (relatively constant) percentage of new owners pick up PE. Casino Royale and Batman Begins can be used as the same sort of gauge, but unfortunately they rarely show up on the top 10 list. 300 was another such title that has become useless due to being included in the box with the G3 players.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']And LFODH I am sure is selling crappy because every blu-ray owners is waiting for the inevitable Unrated release.[/quote] I'm sure some owners are doing that, but I'd expect the vast majority aren't aware that there's a different version, and a reasonably large portion of those who do know don't care. I fall into the second group--I loved the hell out of it in the theater. Which surprised me because I was all set to be disappointed given the PG-13 rating.

I'm sure the box set does harm the numbers somewhat though. It probably sells enough to hurt the standalone title's numbers on the list, but not enough to make it onto the list itself.
 
[quote name='geko29']That it did. I'd disagree that it's ALL that matters, but it is certainly important.

The prevailing theory is that it's emblematic of new owners. People who get into HiDef want some impressive demo material, ergo some (relatively constant) percentage of new owners pick up PE. Casino Royale and Batman Begins can be used as the same sort of gauge, but unfortunately they rarely show up on the top 10 list. 300 was another such title that has become useless due to being included in the box with the G3 players.

I'm sure some owners are doing that, but I'd expect the vast majority aren't aware that there's a different version, and a reasonably large portion of those who do know don't care. I fall into the second group--I loved the hell out of it in the theater. Which surprised me because I was all set to be disappointed given the PG-13 rating.

I'm sure the box set does harm the numbers somewhat though. It probably sells enough to hurt the standalone title's numbers on the list, but not enough to make it onto the list itself.[/quote]
Can't really disagree with what you said, but I go to Apocalypto or Pirates if I want to use a demo disc, Planet Earth is too expensive to use for the sole purpose of a demo disc IMO.

BTW, is there a good old fashioned war movie on Blu-ray? Like Battle of the Bulge except better? :)
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Can't really disagree with what you said, but I go to Apocalypto or Pirates if I want to use a demo disc, Planet Earth is too expensive to use for the sole purpose of a demo disc IMO.[/quote]
I didn't really mean people would buy PE just to show off their player to their friends, but that they have this new player, and they want something to really impress themselves. PE is gorgeous, AND it's fantastic content. It's 11 hours of one of the most interesting and beautiful documentaries you'll ever see.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']BTW, is there a good old fashioned war movie on Blu-ray? Like Battle of the Bulge except better? :)[/quote]
All the war movies I can think of:

Full Metal Jacket (Vietnam)
We Were Soldiers (Vietnam)
Flags of Our Fathers (WWII-Iwo Jima)
Letters from Iwo Jima (WWII-Iwo Jima from Japanese perspective)
Gods and Generals (Civil War)
The Dirty Dozen (WWII)
The Great Raid (WWII)
Windtalkers (WWII)

Of those, FMJ, and The Dirty Dozen are the only ones that are ACTUALLY old, while Flags and Letters may or may not be done in that style (haven't seen them--getting them for christmas). I can however, wholeheartedly recommend We Were Soliders. Great, gritty, emotional story, with a (lossy) soundtrack that is only bested by BlackHawk Down. It's a Paramount title, so get it while it's still around.
 
[quote name='geko29']I didn't really mean people would buy PE just to show off their player to their friends, but that they have this new player, and they want something to really impress themselves. PE is gorgeous, AND it's fantastic content. It's 11 hours of one of the most interesting and beautiful documentaries you'll ever see.


All the war movies I can think of:

Full Metal Jacket (Vietnam)
We Were Soldiers (Vietnam)
Flags of Our Fathers (WWII-Iwo Jima)
Letters from Iwo Jima (WWII-Iwo Jima from Japanese perspective)
Gods and Generals (Civil War)
The Dirty Dozen (WWII)
The Great Raid (WWII)
Windtalkers (WWII)

Of those, FMJ, and The Dirty Dozen are the only ones that are ACTUALLY old, while Flags and Letters may or may not be done in that style (haven't seen them--getting them for christmas). I can however, wholeheartedly recommend We Were Soliders. Great, gritty, emotional story, with a (lossy) soundtrack that is only bested by BlackHawk Down. It's a Paramount title, so get it while it's still around.[/quote]

Yeah, I remember seeing We Were Soldiers, and really liked it. Gods and Generals I know is boring, and flags of our fathers and letters from iwo jima are newer movies. The great raid and Dirty Dozen though...
 
Dont forget Pearl Harbor ...sure ithad the "love" story but the actually war scenes are very well done...not sure how it looks on blu-ray yet though

and if you want to go back to the revolutionary war then The Patriot is good too
 
[quote name='guyver2077']another stupid noob question... im trying out the a3 and true hd..

is it supposed to display true hd on the receiver.. i cant tell if im doing it right... theres so many freaking settings..[/quote]I don't think the A3 can bitstream TrueHD (definitely not DTS-HD MA).

Change your audio out settings to PCM. It's probably on bitstream now since you used optical before.
The player should decode these tracks internally (not sure about DTS-HD MA) and send it to the receiver as LPCM.

You'll see multichannel PCM light up on the receiver.
 
Dallow's exactly right. The A3 can't bitstream advanced audio, so you won't get the TrueHD lights on the receiver. If the display says Mchannel in, you're all good. If it says Dolby Digital, you're set on bitstream and need to change your HDMI out to PCM.
 
right.. i did get it to say multi channel.... i tried it with the ps3 as well and got the same.. i tried out 300 and tmnt.. im trying to find something that would clearly show off the true hd.. not sure if im hearing the diff yet

i have the 360 connected via optical.. shouldnt it say dolby digital?


and also i only have 5 speakers.. are my back speakers supposed to be on surround l/r or surround back l/r

thanks
 
I haven't set stuff up in a while but I'm pretty sure it's surround L/R for 5.1, not surround back.

Guyver, the TrueHD logo will not light up because you don't have any hardware that's capable of bitstreaming a TrueHD track.

The PS3 and A3 both decode TrueHD internally, and send it out as LPCM.
Make sure are both set to ouput HDMI as PCM, and not bitstream.

If your speakers are plugged in properly, you should be hearing the difference.
Try choosing bitstream and playing back the Dolby Digital track to compare.
 
[quote name='dallow']Penton was the guy who leaked the info on Paramount going HD DVD.[/QUOTE]

No he didn't. None of those so called "insiders" knew jack about it. Many were speechless for days. This is a quote coming from some guy at Lionsgate...you know, the same studio that is Blu-ray exclusive. What else would he say when Christmas is around the corner and HD DVD continues to sell players and Blu-ray stumbles? If Paramoint/Universal said that exact comment, I guarantee you Blu boys would be calling BS on it.

In the same breath Warner said how awesome it was that 300 sold so many copies on Blu-ray, then said it couldn't count on gamers to carry a format. They will be looking at stand alone sales, not PS3 sales. HD DVD = 700k, Blu-ray = 200k. HD DVD continues to sell players without issues while Blu-ray stand alone players sit on the shelves and won't be able to handle any new 1.1 features. I think some people are in for some tough times in the next few months if/when Warner makes its announcements. Remember, Warner gets $ for every HD DVD sold, regardless if its their movie or Universals. Thats not something they will get going over to Blu.
 
GizmoGC has funny posts.

REMEMBER EVERYBODY, HD-DVD HAS YET TO BEAT BLURAY, BUT IT'S COMING! SOON! DEFINATELY! SONY'S GOING TO GET IT! THEY'RE DOOMED! STILL WINNING NOW BUT NOT FOR LONG!
 
[quote name='TimPV3']GizmoGC has funny posts.

REMEMBER EVERYBODY, HD-DVD HAS YET TO BEAT BLURAY, BUT IT'S COMING! SOON! DEFINATELY! SONY'S GOING TO GET IT! THEY'RE DOOMED! STILL WINNING NOW BUT NOT FOR LONG![/QUOTE]

"The PS3 doesn't count!"

"No wait, the PS3 does count!"

"Now it doesn't count again"
 
[quote name='dpatel']"The PS3 doesn't count!"

"No wait, the PS3 does count!"

"Now it doesn't count again"[/quote]

Which is why I finally ignored him. ;)

Anyways, I was watching Rambo last night, and for being a 20+ year old movie it looked pretty good, but I could of sworn I saw some motion blur, is this what "edge enhancement" is?
 
No, EE is best described as halos. To give yourself an idea of what you're looking for, put an image on the screen of something with a lot of edge transitions (suspension bridges are awesome with all the cables), and then crank up the "sharpness" control on your set. The edges will grow "whiskers" and then a complete whitish shadow-like halo around the objects.

Don't forget to turn the sharpness back down to 0 after doing this though. :)
 
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