Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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[quote name='H.Cornerstone']So only 24,800 people are using the on-line portion? Doesn't seem like it's worth the studios efforts to produce it.[/QUOTE]

It's not like it's any better than 60% of PS3 owners not knowing they have a Blu-ray player in their hands, or that 30% of 360 owners know that it's capable of HD games (sans Halo 3 & CoD 4).
 
Looks so great.
Notice the logo on the disc.

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The Samsung(/toshiba) dual format player is shipping now with a lowered price.
$799
 
[quote name='orimental']It's not like it's any better than 60% of PS3 owners not knowing they have a Blu-ray player in their hands, or that 30% of 360 owners know that it's capable of HD games (sans Halo 3 & CoD 4).[/quote]

That's 2.4 million. :)
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']:drool:

I can't wait for Bonnie and Clyde. One of the greatest movies of all time.[/quote]Haha, I saw what you wrote before your edit.
 
[quote name='dallow']Haha, I saw what you wrote before your edit.[/QUOTE]

I was trying to think of a better way to put it and find the video from youtube. :D

The phallic symbols in combination with a sexual frustrated Bonnie and an Impotent Clyde are genius. The music is also incredibly well done and is used to show the mood of the characters. Its been a while since I've seen it, but I think there are only three songs used in the whole movie.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I was trying to think of a better way to put it and find the video from youtube. :D

The phallic symbols in combination with a sexual frustrated Bonnie and an Impotent Clyde are genius. The music is also incredibly well done and is used to show the mood of the characters. Its been a while since I've seen it, but I think there are only three songs used in the whole movie.[/quote]The sexual frustration and tension in that movie was great.

First of the new wave French style American films.
 
i was looking at the specs of my old receiver and noticed they rated my current subwoofer at 200 w. Im worried now that the polk 100w i purchased for the onkyo will suck
 
[quote name='rsigley']wait how did Transformers win best audio at the high def awards

its not even lossless!!!!!!![/quote]How did 300 win best over all?

Obviously, they can't be trusted.

Guyver, there's no way you'll be sending max wattage out to those speakers. Listen to it and then decide.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Bridge on the River Kwai on Blu-Ray?

:drool: :drool: :drool:[/QUOTE]

You're my friend but do me a favor and pull your head out of your ass. Sony has been nonexistant in offering old classic catalog titles so I'd hold my breath. Sorry to be so pessimistic but I got the impression we MIGHT be getting it this year.
 
[quote name='rsigley']wait how did Transformers win best audio at the high def awards

its not even lossless!!!!!!![/quote]

Because it's fantastic. :)

In other news, Die Hard 4 was the number one Blu-Ray for the 2nd week in a row, and Planet Earth was the number one HD DVD. What is TRULY surprising about this, is that PE reportedly sold almost exactly as many copies as DH4. The numbers that have been rumored (by an insider who subscribes to Nielsen, and already has the results) is that the ratio between the titles will be very close to 100:98. He also said there will be at least one other "surprise" when the numbers come out tomorrow.

.....And the Nielsen prediction game is officially over (early) at AVS thanks to certain fucking douchebags that have to turn the weekly threads into a warzone. Nobody from here, I just had to vent.
 
[quote name='geko29']Because it's fantastic. :)

In other news, Die Hard 4 was the number one Blu-Ray for the 2nd week in a row, and Planet Earth was the number one HD DVD. What is TRULY surprising about this, is that PE reportedly sold almost exactly as many copies as DH4. The numbers that have been rumored (by an insider who subscribes to Nielsen, and already has the results) is that the ratio between the titles will be very close to 100:98. He also said there will be at least one other "surprise" when the numbers come out tomorrow.

.....And the Nielsen prediction game is officially over (early) at AVS thanks to certain fucking douchebags that have to turn the weekly threads into a warzone. Nobody from here, I just had to vent.[/QUOTE]


I am very surprised at how well Planet Earth sells on HD DVD. Its a fantastic box set and show piece, but how it outsells much cheaper movies consistently is mind boggling to me. I own Planet Earth and while it looks fantastic I have not watched past the first disc.

*puts on foil hat*
It could be a bad sign to movie studios that a BBC show is the best selling disc on HD DVD. They would probably much rather see actual films at the top of the charts.
 
[quote name='geko29']Because it's fantastic. :)

In other news, Die Hard 4 was the number one Blu-Ray for the 2nd week in a row, and Planet Earth was the number one HD DVD. What is TRULY surprising about this, is that PE reportedly sold almost exactly as many copies as DH4. The numbers that have been rumored (by an insider who subscribes to Nielsen, and already has the results) is that the ratio between the titles will be very close to 100:98. He also said there will be at least one other "surprise" when the numbers come out tomorrow.

.....And the Nielsen prediction game is officially over (early) at AVS thanks to certain fucking douchebags that have to turn the weekly threads into a warzone. Nobody from here, I just had to vent.[/quote]
its ok, geko, its ok. Looks like Users of both sides are running out of money to buy movies.

and on a sad note, Netflix doesn't have Rescue Dawn on Blu-ray. :(
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']
and on a sad note, Netflix doesn't have Rescue Dawn on Blu-ray. :([/QUOTE]

Under contact us there is an option to request a title. If enough people as for it (I already have) then they will probably add the movie.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Under contact us there is an option to request a title. If enough people as for it (I already have) then they will probably add the movie.[/quote]

It's very strange though, under genre it says blu-ray. But when I queue it and try to make it blu-ray it doesn't work. Netflix is notorious apperently for getting blu-ray releases late.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I am very surprised at how well Planet Earth sells on HD DVD. Its a fantastic box set and show piece, but how it outsells much cheaper movies consistently is mind boggling to me. I own Planet Earth and while it looks fantastic I have not watched past the first disc.

*puts on foil hat*
It could be a bad sign to movie studios that a BBC show is the best selling disc on HD DVD. They would probably much rather see actual films at the top of the charts.[/QUOTE]

Could be the Oprah effect.
 
I finally watched my copy of The Lives of Others a couple nights ago.
Fantastic, fantasic movie.
Out of the 40 or so BD movies I own, it's probably 1 of 5 that I'm proud to own.
Utterly brilliant acting.
Great atmosphere.

Last night I watched The Prestige.
Surprisingly good as well. I knew nothing about it beforehand.
But any movie with David Bowie in it...
Very clever movie. Another winner.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']You're my friend but do me a favor and pull your head out of your ass. Sony has been nonexistant in offering old classic catalog titles so I'd hold my breath. Sorry to be so pessimistic but I got the impression we MIGHT be getting it this year.[/QUOTE]

You don't own a Blu-Ray player, so there is no "we" here.

Also, do me a favor and change the location in your user name. I'm not amused.

[quote name='rodeojones903']*puts on foil hat*
It could be a bad sign to movie studios that a BBC show is the best selling disc on HD DVD. They would probably much rather see actual films at the top of the charts.[/QUOTE]

I dunno. It could the result of HD DVD owners being less homogenous as a group than Blu-Ray owners (74% of whom are PS3 owners). Greater variety in the user base should correlate with greater sales of videos that fall outside the "this is what a gamer would buy" demographic. I don't think it's because of what HD DVD lacks at all.

[quote name='Sarang01']Could be the Oprah effect.[/QUOTE]

Did she hype the HD DVD version exclusively? If not, I would expect to see a bump in sales of both formats, not just one.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You don't own a Blu-Ray player, so there is no "we" here.

Also, do me a favor and change the location in your user name. I'm not amused.

Did she hype the HD DVD version exclusively? If not, I would expect to see a bump in sales of both formats, not just one.[/QUOTE]

FIRST off just because I don't have a Blu-Ray player doesn't mean there aren't movies I'm not dying to get on that side. Don't think I'm completely HD DVD biased.
Have I or have I NOT said Sony is the best big HDM studio when it comes to offering a good variety of contemporary titles, yes or no? I give them credit where credit is due in their title offerings and bash them where appropriate. Where appropriate in his catalog titles, even with fairly recent one's, like up to 5 years or even as far as 10 years there's been very little. After this Sony's support of catalog titles has been practically non-existant and has been for stuff like "Bridge On the River Kwai" and "Laurence Of Arabia". If they would be more dedicated like WB in that regard I'd call them the BEST big HDM studio around period. As it stands now they're in a tie with Warner Bros in terms of offerings.
I mentioned Oprah because of the cheap HD DVD players that have sold.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']FIRST off just because I don't have a Blu-Ray player doesn't mean there aren't movies I'm not dying to get on that side. Don't think I'm completely HD DVD biased.
Have I or have I NOT said Sony is the best big HDM studio when it comes to offering a good variety of contemporary titles, yes or no? I give them credit where credit is due in their title offerings and bash them where appropriate. Where appropriate in his catalog titles, even with fairly recent one's, like up to 5 years or even as far as 10 years there's been very little. After this Sony's support of catalog titles has been practically non-existant and has been for stuff like "Bridge On the River Kwai" and "Laurence Of Arabia". If they would be more dedicated like WB in that regard I'd call them the BEST big HDM studio around period. As it stands now they're in a tie with Warner Bros in terms of offerings.
I mentioned Oprah because of the cheap HD DVD players that have sold.[/quote]

Well, since sony is releasing so many contemporary movies maybe they don't have time for classics? Or many they aren't releasing them because they don't sell well? Either way, when a company announces a movie (except MGM/Fox) it's a good reason to get excited.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']


Did she hype the HD DVD version exclusively? If not, I would expect to see a bump in sales of both formats, not just one.[/QUOTE]

You better believe Oprah has That Triple. Stedman's on the couch right now playing CoD 4.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Well, since sony is releasing so many contemporary movies maybe they don't have time for classics? Or many they aren't releasing them because they don't sell well? Either way, when a company announces a movie (except MGM/Fox) it's a good reason to get excited.[/QUOTE]

I just stay skeptical because "Bridge On the River Kwai" was on the release list before this.
Also look at BCI. They've announced and haven't given us shit. BCI I think frustrates me maybe more then anyone because they're suppose to be giving us more Martial Arts flicks.
I wish we could get someone who gave us "Time and Tide", "Zu Warriors" and some other HK gunflicks as well as Wuxia though I appreciate Sony making an effort. Hopefully CTHD will come out sometime soon and they will FIX HOFD!
 
I'm going to try to get CheapyD to add the following icons to CAG. They have to be 15x15px so this is the best I could get them too look, do you guys approve? If anyone thinks that they can make them better feel free.

hddvdiconup5.png
HD DVD

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Blu-Ray
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I'm going to try to get CheapyD to add the following icons to CAG. They have to be 15x15px so this is the best I could get them too look, do you guys approve? If anyone thinks that they can make them better feel free.

hddvdiconup5.png
HD DVD

bluraylogoqa7.png
Blu-Ray[/QUOTE]

Those are awesome Linkin. Nice work.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Those are awesome Linkin. Nice work.[/quote]

Thanks...did them with Paint.net I'll try to touch them up with Photoshop when I get home to see if I can make them stand out a bit more.
 
[quote name='munch']You better believe Oprah has That Triple. Stedman's on the couch right now playing CoD 4.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

Linkin, I don't use those icons, so it's not a big deal to me, but those who do might have a say. They do look fine, at any rate.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I'm going to try to get CheapyD to add the following icons to CAG. They have to be 15x15px so this is the best I could get them too look, do you guys approve? If anyone thinks that they can make them better feel free.

hddvdiconup5.png
HD DVD

bluraylogoqa7.png
Blu-Ray[/quote]I never use them either, but they look very neat, and clean.

Will they always have the light gray background or the darker CAG color (better contrast)?
 
[quote name='dallow']I never use them either, but they look very neat, and clean.

Will they always have the light gray background or the darker CAG color (better contrast)?[/quote]
They have a transparant background, if you're seeing a background color it means that your browser doesnt support transparancies. If/When CheapyD implements them into the site, they will not show background color regardless of your browser.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']They have a transparant background, if you're seeing a background color it means that your browser doesnt support transparancies. If/When CheapyD implements them into the site, they will not show background color regardless of your browser.[/quote]Ah, it's these darn work computers then.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I am very surprised at how well Planet Earth sells on HD DVD. Its a fantastic box set and show piece, but how it outsells much cheaper movies consistently is mind boggling to me. I own Planet Earth and while it looks fantastic I have not watched past the first disc.

*puts on foil hat*
It could be a bad sign to movie studios that a BBC show is the best selling disc on HD DVD. They would probably much rather see actual films at the top of the charts.[/QUOTE]

It sells well on HD because it's one of titles that people suggest when new adopters ask for recommendations. It's also one of those titles that has the ability to appeal to a lot of tastes.

I hope that Warner takes notice and puts other BBC shows on High-Def. Doctor Who and Torchwood on HD DVD/Blu-ray? Count me in.
 
[quote name='rsigley']wait how did Transformers win best audio at the high def awards

its not even lossless!!!!!!![/quote]

I would think a movie like Ratatouille would have a better shot, THAT movie had amazing audio.

Of course, I haven't listened to Transformers in Hi-Def though...
 
[quote name='orimental']
I hope that Warner takes notice and puts other BBC shows on High-Def. Doctor Who and Torchwood on HD DVD/Blu-ray? Count me in.[/QUOTE]

Most of BBC's shows should be shot in high definition now anyway. Unfortunately I don't think there's a huge demand stateside for any of their products. The Brit shows that do sell well stateside won't benefit greatly from HD anyway. I doubt that turkey on Mr. Bean's head is really going to look that much better.

Sure, it'd be nice to have a domestic release of Robin Hood, but I doubt Warner is going to pick up the rights here. I bet Rebus would look fucking brilliant in HD too.
 
One step closer:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=177013

Sony expects to have an update for PS3 later this month that will add support for the next generation of Blu-ray playback features.

'Profile 1.1' is the newfangled name given to a new standard of Blu-ray playback which allows for a range of new features. These include picture-in-picture playback (so you could have a director talking in one window with the film running in another), support for downloadable content and much more.

Sony's latest (and more expensive) Blu-ray players already support Profile 1.1 features, and according to a Sony rep, speaking at recent press conference, the PS3 is likely to receive a firmware update that will add Profile 1.1 support later this month, reports The Digital Bits.

So there's STILL no reason to buy a dedicated Blu-ray player over PS3.
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[quote name='terribledeli']Most of BBC's shows should be shot in high definition now anyway. Unfortunately I don't think there's a huge demand stateside for any of their products. The Brit shows that do sell well stateside won't benefit greatly from HD anyway.[/QUOTE]

The sad part is that Doctor Who isn't shot in HD, nor is it broadcasted as such. But Torchwood is.
 
[quote name='geko29']One step closer:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=177013[/quote]

I am more concerned with DTS-MA support myself (even though I can't use it, just seems more important to me. :D)

And From everything I heard, I would have guessed Live Free or Die Hard to win best audio.

And dallow, what took you so long? And I heard that the movie was good, but it was better than I expected. And add in the fact that it's an awesome transfer equal one great experience on Blu-ray. And Notice how not one movie with Christian Bale in it has a lower than 4-star ratings for VQ on HDD? He's good luck or something.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1264/elton60.html

Find it funny that Universal Music movie is Blu-ray, yes I know Vivendi owns Universal music, but I find it funny none-the-less.

(BTW, they loved it)
 
Just watched Rescue Dawn last night pretty good Christian Bale has yet to disappoint.


How are the PS3's update able? And it sounds as if the consensus here is to avoid last weeks 80GB Walmart Special with the 10 "Free" Blu Rays, and opt for the "lesser" 40GB model?

The 40GB Model is $399.99 at Wally World today only (Secret Sale) and comes with a $50 Gift Card which is spent easy enough on groceries. So it brings it to 349.99 + tax.....

The other option is Last weeks 80GB, or the Sonystyle card (apply online) and get the 40GB for 299.99 (does Sonystyle charge tax in Michigan? I will have to check).


I might make the jump this weekend as a bonus check may be forthcoming that I was not expecting. Taxes on $6k suck though.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']How are the PS3's update able? And it sounds as if the consensus here is to avoid last weeks 80GB Walmart Special with the 10 "Free" Blu Rays, and opt for the "lesser" 40GB model?[/quote]
If PS2 games, a memory card reader or 2 extra USB ports are important to you, the 80 is a better choice. If Blu-Ray and PS3 games are the only things you care about, the 40 is cheaper and should be quieter.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']I am more concerned with DTS-MA support myself (even though I can't use it, just seems more important to me. :D)
[/quote]
Oh I agree. DTS-HD MA is the #1 PS3 update I'm waiting for. But in the meantime, I'll take what I can get, especially since 1.1 titles will start hitting the market on January 1st.
 
[quote name='geko29']If PS2 games, a memory card reader or 2 extra USB ports are important to you, the 80 is a better choice. If Blu-Ray and PS3 games are the only things you care about, the 40 is cheaper and should be quieter.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the more I look at it the less likely I am to jump. The 80GB is overkill for me as in reality I wont use it for many PS2 games, and Motorstorm will drop to just a few dollars eventually, its already available at or near $20 used.

The Walmart secret sale is OK but nothing much better than a 10% off coupon would give you, and a 12% off coupon would be a break even. So I am going to wait it out for a few more weeks. I do want to jump possibly before 1/31/08 to get the 5 Free offer but maybe they will replace the movies available after 1/31/08, or maybe they will stop the free offers altogether.
 
Can anyone explain to me why Warner Brothers Online is selling New Line's "Shoot 'Em Up" for preorder? I don't understand it, because it's only available for Blu and DVD not HD DVD. What the shit?! If Warner's distributing it then it should be on both formats! Someone please make some sense of this for me because i love this movie!
 
[quote name='Deadpool']Can anyone explain to me why Warner Brothers Online is selling New Line's "Shoot 'Em Up" for preorder? I don't understand it, because it's only available for Blu and DVD not HD DVD. What the shit?! If Warner's distributing it then it should be on both formats! Someone please make some sense of this for me because i love this movie![/QUOTE]

new line won't release their movies on HD DVD til the theater run is over because of no region coding

so hairspray, rush hour, shoot em up, etc. will show up on HD DVD eventually
 
[quote name='rsigley']new line won't release their movies on HD DVD til the theater run is over because of no region coding

so hairspray, rush hour, shoot em up, etc. will show up on HD DVD eventually[/QUOTE]

Why thank you... and DAMN THEM!!!
 
[quote name='rsigley']new line won't release their movies on HD DVD til the theater run is over because of no region coding

[/QUOTE]

I was thinking about this earlier. Is there any proof behind New Line's logic? Were the box office totals of Mr. Bean's Holiday really hurt by the fact it was readily available on HD DVD in Europe?

It almost seems like an easy way for New Line to test the waters of HD formats without risking putting releases on both formats. If there's a demand on Blu-ray, there's probably a, albeit smaller, demand on HD DVD. If a Blu-ray release fails miserably, then they know the demand for an HD release isn't there and opts not to release on HD DVD.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']I was thinking about this earlier. Is there any proof behind New Line's logic? Were the box office totals of Mr. Bean's Holiday really hurt by the fact it was readily available on HD DVD in Europe?[/quote]
Mr. Bean's Holiday ($32M) is not Hairspray ($197M and counting). Shoot 'Em Up ($24M and slowly rising) I can't explain. :)
 
Article from BusinessWeek.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_51/b4063028294846.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives

Quote from VP at Lionsgate:

"The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon," says Michael Burns, vice-chairman of studio Lionsgate (LGF), which makes its movies available on the Sony-backed format. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game." (Sony declined to comment, and Toshiba only would say it is "in regular contact with the studios.")
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[quote name='terribledeli']I was thinking about this earlier. Is there any proof behind New Line's logic? Were the box office totals of Mr. Bean's Holiday really hurt by the fact it was readily available on HD DVD in Europe?

It almost seems like an easy way for New Line to test the waters of HD formats without risking putting releases on both formats. If there's a demand on Blu-ray, there's probably a, albeit smaller, demand on HD DVD. If a Blu-ray release fails miserably, then they know the demand for an HD release isn't there and opts not to release on HD DVD.[/QUOTE]

the evp of marketing said

"Since we sell to independent international distributors, we have to be more sensitive to their release dates than a major studio," Lasorsa added. "But for second-party acquisitions to which we don't have international rights, we will be day-and-date on all three formats."

here http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...spray_on_Blu-ray_HD_DVD_to_Follow_in_2008/958

so who knows if thats the real reason, but it makes sense since they're a smaller company and sell the international rights to a lot of different companies. they might get low balled on the rights if the HD DVD is already available even if it doesn't sell a lot.
 
[quote name='dallow']Article from BusinessWeek.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_51/b4063028294846.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives

Quote from VP at Lionsgate:
"The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon," says Michael Burns, vice-chairman of studio Lionsgate (LGF), which makes its movies available on the Sony-backed format. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game." (Sony declined to comment, and Toshiba only would say it is "in regular contact with the studios.")
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Hmmm....the sooner it ends, the better. Thanks for the article Dallow
 
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