Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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The little birdies are saying last week was 76/24, with 160K POTC:AWE being sold.

I'm still, as usual, skeptical (especially of the POTC number); nevertheless, anything around 70/30 isn't a major surprise.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The little birdies are saying last week was 76/24, with 160K POTC:AWE being sold.

I'm still, as usual, skeptical (especially of the POTC number); nevertheless, anything around 70/30 isn't a major surprise.[/quote]


But Hd still has the upper hand due to hardware sales and, uh, bourne ultimatum this week and interactivity with Harry potter and some other things...70/30 means nothing, BD does close to that all the time since they have BOGOs and it just shows they are desperate with their tactics of making it cheaper for people to buy more movies:roll:


:lol: i figured i might as well save a certain somebody some time and post this for him
 
I don't read that person's posts anymore, and I suggest you follow the lead that others have clearly started (not myself by any means).

Now, it's unfair, as there appear to be very few HD DVD folks that post in here anymore outside of him...but he's the most mouth-foaming irrational of the bunch. You have a few neutral cats, but you can't very well bloody argue with fence-sitters now, can you? ;)

EDIT: Ooooh! Just saw Miramax announce "No Country For Old Men" for release on 3/11. I have no bloomin' idea if they're BD-only, though. Are they still a Disney subsidiary?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

EDIT: Ooooh! Just saw Miramax announce "No Country For Old Men" for release on 3/11. I have no bloomin' idea if they're BD-only, though. Are they still a Disney subsidiary?[/QUOTE]


i think they still are a part of Disney and the Weinsteins either own part or were bought out. Though until they announce something it will just be a cluster fuck of misinformation.
 
"After extensive negotiations and much media and industry speculation, on March 30, 2005, Disney and the Weinsteins announced that they would not renew their contractual relationship when their existing agreements expired at the end of September 2005. Disney's film studio consortium, Buena Vista Motion Pictures Group assumed control of Miramax, which was projected to have a smaller annual production budget. The Weinsteins started a new film production company called simply The Weinstein Company, and took the Dimension Films label with them. The Miramax name remained with the film studio owned by Disney. Miramax is currently run by Daniel Battsek."

"All films released by Dimension Films prior to October 1, 2005, remain the property of The Walt Disney Company. Disney also retains a license to use the Dimension label for distribution of the film library it controls. According to the Associated Press, "Disney continues to share half the proceeds from the Scary Movie flicks and any other future installments in pre-existing Dimension franchises."[1]. Dimension's most notable well-known movie franchises from the Disney period include Scream (1996-2000), Spy Kids (2001-2003) and Scary Movie (2000-present)."
 
It was announced yesterday:

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[quote name='mykevermin']The little birdies are saying last week was 76/24, with 160K POTC:AWE being sold.

I'm still, as usual, skeptical (especially of the POTC number); nevertheless, anything around 70/30 isn't a major surprise.[/quote] I've also heard the 76/24, from the same person who was pinpont accurate the last 4 weeks (because he's looking at the VS report). But he also said NO title sold over 100k. POTC allegedly sold ~80k. Also, no title outside of the top 3 (POTC, Superbad, PE HD DVD) sold more than 10k. However, volume was WAY WAY up, so catalog titles are finally starting to sell.

But my mojo's apparently coming back. I guessed 78/22, so my average slowly comes back down.....still only brings me up to 28th place though. :(

What is interesting in all of this is that every single big release registers almost exactly 50% of the studio's claim, with the exception of 300 (80%) and LFODH (33%). Transformers did it, Spider-Man 3 did it, and now POTC: AWE's done it. So it's becoming more and more likely that the studios aren't lying with their numbers, but that Neilsen VS captures even less of the HDM market than the 70% they claim. And it's been confirmed that they do NOT estimate results for the retailers they don't survey. So if they cover half the total sales, their numbers will be half of what the studios report.
 
[quote name='geko29']

What is interesting in all of this is that every single big release registers almost exactly 50% of the studio's claim, with the exception of 300 (80%) and LFODH (33%). Transformers did it, Spider-Man 3 did it, and now POTC: AWE's done it. So it's becoming more and more likely that the studios aren't lying with their numbers, but that Neilsen VS captures even less of the HDM market than the 70% they claim. And it's been confirmed that they do NOT estimate results for the retailers they don't survey. So if they cover half the total sales, their numbers will be half of what the studios report.[/QUOTE]

if thats true then i guess HD DVD might of ended up winning a week or two throughout the year

sucks for them

and maybe wolf creek really moved 100k copies and not 600

they were just all from retailers who didn't use neilsen

oh and i saw the HD DVD starter packs at best buy, the one by me just had them literally thrown on the floor in a pile under the hd dvd shelves

was no room left on the shelves because there was 10 copies of every title it seemed
 
[quote name='rsigley']if thats true then i guess HD DVD might of ended up winning a week or two throughout the year[/QUOTE]

Not if you assume that sales are randomly and evenly distributed across retailers. I don't assume that, particularly because HDM are still pulling out of their "early adopter" cocoon. But I can't prove anything; I only have my suspicions that, say, Wal-Mart does not carry the same % of HDM sales that they do in most other markets (20-30%, frighteningly).
 
Weird. I never even realized that Miramax was involved with No Country since its usually the Paramount Vantage logo before trailers, commercials.

But it looks like everyone is going to have it in HD though. Domestically, its going to be Blu-ray but Paramount owns the majority of non-US markets. Specifically with Universal Pictures International handling the Germany and Netherlands releases.

So its win-win for everyone. Hooray!

Well, I mean HD DVD only folks will have to pay more to import it...but if there's one film that really deserves it...its this one.
 
Very true. I've been overly harsh to Sporadic and the importin' gang - but it's because my faith in humanity is shattered when one spends $35-40 on Terminator films.

This one, however...deserves it. I'd import this (or Lebowski) if they were only available on BD in other regions.
 
[quote name='rsigley']and maybe wolf creek really moved 100k copies and not 600

they were just all from retailers who didn't use neilsen[/quote]
Not a math major, were ya? 600x2=/=100,000.
 
What's on everyone's hi-def Christmas wish list this year? I asked for:

:br:
American Psycho
Apocalypto
Letters from Iwo Jima
The Lives of Others
Superbad
 
[quote name='geko29']Not a math major, were ya? 600x2=/=100,000.[/QUOTE]

was a joke?

and actually i got a masters in math and stat :(
 
Asked for and not receiving to my knowledge:

:hd:
Bourne Ultimatum
The Host
NIN: Beside you in Time
Scent of a Woman
Inside Man
Face Off
Shooter
Hot Fuzz

:br:
Superbad
Die Hard Collection
Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Ones I'm aware of:

:hd:
2001
Sea of Love
Black Xmas
Dead Silence
Meet the Fockers
Flags of our Fathers
A Clockwork Orange
Darkman
Wolf Creek

:br:
Crank
The Descent
Letters from Iwo Jima
 
[quote name='rsigley']was a joke?

and actually i got a masters in math and stat :([/quote]
Sorry, it read like an attack. My apologies. :whistle2:#
 
I'm just glad that Pirates and Superbad sold so well without being part of a BOGO. Finally shows the true strength of Blu-ray and quashes any feeling that Blu-ray can only sell with BOGO.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']I'm just glad that Pirates and Superbad sold so well without being part of a BOGO. Finally shows the true strength of Blu-ray and quashes any feeling that Blu-ray can only sell with BOGO.[/quote]

Pirates did VERY well-4th or 5th best release week sales in the history of either format. But Superbad and PE reportedly trailed Pirates by a VERY wide margin (we'll find out for sure tomorrow), which makes it likely that it sold similar numbers to other high-grossing comedies like Knocked Up--good, but not great. I'm going to guess its ratio to Pirates will be in the upper 20 to low 30 range, representing VS sales numbers somehwere in the low-mid 20k unit range.

Still conjecture, of course. I'll post the full roundup tomorrow, as usual, when it goes live.
 
I'm pretty much only jealous of the classics Warner still hasn't put on BD that are on HD DVD.

I don't care about Batman or Matrix.
 
None of the Universal Classics? They don't have many films from the 30s-60s like Warner does, but there are some solid releases >15 years old:

American Me
American Werewolf in London
Animal House
Born on the Fourth of July
The Breakfast Club
Carlito's Way
Casino
The Deer Hunter
Dune
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Field of Dreams
Midnight Run
Scent of a Woman
Sea of Love
Smokey and the Bandit
The Sting
Streets of Fire
The Thing
 
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Got my import of Children of Men from Norway in today.

Other then that I want to get;

:br:
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Kung Fu Hustle
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Layer Cake

Deja Vu is on the way from that free movie survey thing and my 5 free are due in as well.
 
At lunch one of my friends was telling me that HD DVD is going to die for sure because there's some new technology that makes Blu-Ray discs as inexpensive as regular DVD's...any trurth to this? I figured if it was, some of you Blu folks would have posted about this already.
 
[quote name='geko29']None of the Universal Classics? They don't have many films from the 30s-60s like Warner does, but there are some solid releases >15 years old:

American Me
American Werewolf in London
Animal House
Born on the Fourth of July
The Breakfast Club
Carlito's Way
Casino
The Deer Hunter
Dune
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Field of Dreams
Midnight Run
Scent of a Woman
Sea of Love
Smokey and the Bandit
The Sting
Streets of Fire
The Thing[/quote]Damn.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']At lunch one of my friends was telling me that HD DVD is going to die for sure because there's some new technology that makes Blu-Ray discs as inexpensive as regular DVD's...any trurth to this? I figured if it was, some of you Blu folks would have posted about this already.[/QUOTE]I thought I read something, somewhere, about a certain material they were able to make a 50GB out of, maybe it's relevant. I'll see if I can find it.

Maybe this was it?

"With this standardization, the mass production of organic dye recording media has now become possible with BD-R. Discs with organic dye do not require large-scale investments in facilities so that the current coating facilities for CD-R and DVD-R can be used for BD production lines with only minor adjustments, making low priced discs a possibility."
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[quote name='LinkinPrime']At lunch one of my friends was telling me that HD DVD is going to die for sure because there's some new technology that makes Blu-Ray discs as inexpensive as regular DVD's...any trurth to this? I figured if it was, some of you Blu folks would have posted about this already.[/QUOTE]

That's nothing, the other day an apple store clerk said that apple has already decided to go blu; furthermore, according to the same clerk there's already a software program that let's you play blu ray on macs. Pffft, I almost burst out laughing.

I too am jealous of some of the blu ray movie selections. Sigh.
 
[quote name='doctorfaustus']That's nothing, the other day an apple store clerk said that apple has already decided to go blu; furthermore, according to the same clerk there's already a software program that let's you play blu ray on macs. Pffft, I almost burst out laughing.[/QUOTE]

That's true, though. There is a Blu-Ray burner (announced/available? I dunno about the latter.) for Mac, working w/ both single and double-layer discs. It's $1,200 though.

Also, Toast already has BD support.

So, it's partially implemented, but definitely in the works.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']I thought I read something, somewhere, about a certain material they were able to make a 50GB out of, maybe it's relevant. I'll see if I can find it.

Maybe this was it?
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Yes, that has to be it, though I don't see this causing as big of an impact on the "war" as he said.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That's true, though. There is a Blu-Ray burner (announced/available? I dunno about the latter.) for Mac, working w/ both single and double-layer discs. It's $1,200 though.

Also, Toast already has BD support.

So, it's partially implemented, but definitely in the works.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the burner is third party add-on and the guy said that the optical drive on recent macs can playback blu ray discs. I'm guessing Jobs is waiting for the dust to settle to decide between blu and red.
 
[quote name='doctorfaustus']the guy said that the optical drive on recent macs can playback blu ray discs.[/QUOTE]

Alright, that's different from how I read your original post. I'm pretty sour on Apple right now (though a stern "WTF!?!?!" with customer support last week after having my MacBook Pro die the fuck out on me - like not even booting fucking dead - two days after getting it back from the "genuises" (Genii?) has me such that I received my MacBook coffin/shipped it out on Monday, and it's coming back to me via next-day DHL tomorrow.), so I could believe an hourly-wage nimrod at an Apple store would make things up.

"Buying a Mac will get you into heaven, where they hand you a nice black turtleneck."

EDIT: To be fair, Apple is on the BDA (but your immediate counterpoint should be "well, dude, Disney is on the HDG"). :lol:
 
[quote name='doctorfaustus']Yeah, but the burner is third party add-on and the guy said that the optical drive on recent macs can playback blu ray discs. I'm guessing Jobs is waiting for the dust to settle to decide between blu and red.[/QUOTE]

Yeah ? The Toshiba SuperDrive ? That's the most interesting thin I've heard all week .
 
Numbers are up:

Week: 76/24
YTD: 65/35
SI:62/38


Code: 
Top 10 by SKU:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    100
2.  Superbad                    37.46
3.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series HD    12.38
4.  Spider-Man 3                10.51
5.  Transformers                7.49
6.  Live Free or Die Hard            7.40
7.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series BR    6.77
8.  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest    6.70
9.  Ratatouille                    6.69
10. 300 BR                    5.36

xx. Shrek the Third                4.46
xx. The Bourne Supremacy            2.32
xx. 300 HD                    2.14

Top 10 by Title:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    100
2.  Superbad                    37.46
3.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        19.15
4.  Spider-Man 3                10.51
5.  300                        7.50
6.  Transformers                7.49
7.  Live Free or Die Hard            7.40
8.  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest    6.70
9.  Ratatouille                    6.69
10. Ocean's Thirteen                5.59

xx. Shrek the Third                4.46
xx. The Bourne Supremacy            2.32

Top 5 Blu-Ray:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    100
2.  Superbad                    37.46
3.  Spider-Man 3                10.51
4.  Live Free or Die Hard            7.40
5.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        6.77

Top 5 HD DVD:

1.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        100
2.  Transformers                60.52
3.  Shrek the Third                35.99
4.  The Bourne Supremacy            18.77
5.  300                        17.33
Unit estimates forthcoming.
 
Estimates based on Planet Earth HD DVD selling 10,000 copies. This is the minimum that the Nielsen unit results could possibly be for the week:
Code: 
Top 10 unit estimates by SKU:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    80,775
2.  Superbad                    30,258
3.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series HD    10,000
4.  Spider-Man 3                8,489
5.  Transformers                6,050
6.  Live Free or Die Hard            5,977
7.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series BR    5,468
8.  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest    5,412
9.  Ratatouille                    5,404
10. 300 BR                    4,330

xx. Shrek the Third                3,603
xx. The Bourne Supremacy            1,874
xx. 300 HD                    1,729

Top 10 unit estimates by Title:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    80,775
2.  Superbad                    30,258
3.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        15,468
4.  Spider-Man 3                8,489
5.  300                        6,058
6.  Transformers                6,050
7.  Live Free or Die Hard            5,977
8.  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest    5,412
9.  Ratatouille                    5,404
10. Ocean's Thirteen                4,515

xx. Shrek the Third                3,603
xx. The Bourne Supremacy            1,874
 
Estimates based on POTC:AWE selling 160,000 copies. This is the highest total sales (not just Nielsen-tracked ones) could be:
Code: 
Top 10 unit estimates by SKU:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    160,000
2.  Superbad                    59,936
3.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series HD    19,808
4.  Spider-Man 3                16,816
5.  Transformers                11,984
6.  Live Free or Die Hard            11,840
7.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series BR    10,832
8.  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest    10,720
9.  Ratatouille                    10,704
10. 300 BR                    8,576

xx. Shrek the Third                7,136
xx. The Bourne Supremacy            3,712
xx. 300 HD                    3,424

Top 10 unit estimates by Title:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    160,000
2.  Superbad                    59,936
3.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        30,640
4.  Spider-Man 3                16,816
5.  300                        12,000
6.  Transformers                11,984
7.  Live Free or Die Hard            11,840
8.  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest    10,720
9.  Ratatouille                    10,704
10. Ocean's Thirteen                8,944

xx. Shrek the Third                7,136
xx. The Bourne Supremacy            3,712
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Breakfast Club is on HD DVD?

Hmm. I wonder if that movie is still as meaningful as it was when I was 15.[/quote]

Dude, that movie kicks ass and always will.
 
[quote name='geko29']Estimates based on POTC:AWE selling 160,000 copies. This is the highest total sales (not just Nielsen-tracked ones) could be:
Code: 
Top 10 unit estimates by SKU:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    160,000
2.  Superbad                    59,936
3.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series HD    19,808
4.  Spider-Man 3                16,816
5.  Transformers                11,984
6.  Live Free or Die Hard            11,840
7.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series BR    10,832
8.  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest    10,720
9.  Ratatouille                    10,704
10. 300 BR                    8,576

xx. Shrek the Third                7,136
xx. The Bourne Supremacy            3,712
xx. 300 HD                    3,424

Top 10 unit estimates by Title:

1.  Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End    160,000
2.  Superbad                    59,936
3.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series        30,640
4.  Spider-Man 3                16,816
5.  300                        12,000
6.  Transformers                11,984
7.  Live Free or Die Hard            11,840
8.  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest    10,720
9.  Ratatouille                    10,704
10. Ocean's Thirteen                8,944

xx. Shrek the Third                7,136
xx. The Bourne Supremacy            3,712
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I still don't get how Year to date hasn't gone up with Blu-ray winning so many consective weeks....
 
Most weeks it's won by significantly less than YTD. So on the weeks it wins by more than YTD (like this one), just bounces it back and forth within the rounding range. If BR consistently won by 70:30 or better, YTD would move. But when it sometimes is 58:42 and the like, YTD just stays where it is.

Also it takes a LOT more to move YTD at the end of the year than it did at the beginning.
 
[quote name='RichMeisterMan']Dude, that movie kicks ass and always will.[/quote]

Hell yea.

This movie, Sixteen Candles, Ferris Buellers Day Off, Some Kind Of Wonderful, 3 O' Clock High, and Fast Times at Ridgemont High are all awesome.

I know I'm missing some, but those are the ones that stick in my head.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Yes, that has to be it, though I don't see this causing as big of an impact on the "war" as he said.[/QUOTE]

The article says BD will become cheaper to produce with this, but doesn't really mention if it will be cheaper than HD-DVD or not. But yea, the high costs of blu-ray was never really an issue for most studios, so I can't really see this changing to much.
 
What's the PQ/AQ like on Good Night and Good Luck? We just watched the DVD on my PS3, and it looked incredible. Of course, that might be the result of most camera angles being right the hell up in the actors' faces - but I can't imagine it could be improved upon to any significant degree.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What's the PQ/AQ like on Good Night and Good Luck? We just watched the DVD on my PS3, and it looked incredible. Of course, that might be the result of most camera angles being right the hell up in the actors' faces - but I can't imagine it could be improved upon to any significant degree.[/quote]

HDD gave it good reviews.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What's the PQ/AQ like on Good Night and Good Luck? We just watched the DVD on my PS3, and it looked incredible. Of course, that might be the result of most camera angles being right the hell up in the actors' faces - but I can't imagine it could be improved upon to any significant degree.[/quote]

PQ is decent IMO, hard for me to really go bananas over it since it's in black and white.
 
"1. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End 160,000"

*sigh*
there's no way that this should have done this well... Mediocre at best.
I'm starting to worry about my beloved :hd:
 
[quote name='Deadpool']"1. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End 160,000"

*sigh*
there's no way that this should have done this well... Mediocre at best.
I'm starting to worry about my beloved :hd:[/QUOTE]

Really? I agree that this movie was mediocre, but the average consumer loves their action-packed movies. Also, this is one of those movies that is likely to appeal to gamers and casual HD movie enthusiast. So, I'm figuring quite a few people from 75% chunk of PS3 owners that don't' use their gaming system for movies were inclined to buy this title.
Did POT (I refuse to note the subtitle because they are all basically the same movie) do better that 300?
Hopefully, the red camp will see better numbers this Friday.
 
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