Franklin Graham says 'religious rights' denied

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Several weeks after being dropped from a Pentagon prayer service, evangelist Franklin Graham said Monday that his “religious rights are being denied.”

During an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Graham said that his speaking slot in conjunction with Thursday’s National Day of Prayer was unjustly dumped over his saying that Islam is “evil.”

“It is a comment I made after 9/11 that Islam was wicked and evil,” said Graham, the son of the Rev. Billy Graham.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36682.html

What does everyone think of this? I think that if an Islamic Preacher invited to speak at the Pentagon called Christianity 'evil'...I'd expect him to be waterboarded, let alone merely disinvited to speak at the Pentagon.

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Christians don't understand that if they want special privileges extended to their dogma, then the principles our nation was founded upon dictate that it be given to others as well. They want their stupid cake and the ability to eat it too, while talking bullshit with their mouths full. Freedom of religion - to them - means for them only.

This is because the Christian faith says that only their ideology is correct, and so denying them anything is basically telling God to piss off.

Your logic can't get much worse than that, but if certain people show up in this thread, I'm sure they can dig the hole a big deeper.
 
[quote name='Strell']Christians don't understand that if they want special privileges extended to their dogma, then the principles our nation was founded upon dictate that it be given to others as well. They want their stupid cake and the ability to eat it too, while talking bullshit with their mouths full. Freedom of religion - to them - means for them only.

This is because the Christian faith says that only their ideology is correct, and so denying them anything is basically telling God to piss off.

Your logic can't get much worse than that, but if certain people show up in this thread, I'm sure they can dig the hole a big deeper.[/QUOTE]

That didn't take long.

It was a stupid comment that I for one don't agree with. But some Christians and Non-Christians probably agree with him.

Well that's about the extent of that so have at the Religion bashing Strell I wouldn't want to let open-mindedness get in the way. Since all Christians think alike (we all worship the pope in secret...I'm touching a little boy and shooting gay people right now......shhhhh)
 
[quote name='Papa Neorev'](I'm touching a little boy and shooting gay people right now......shhhhh)[/QUOTE]

I won't tell. :ziplip:
 
@Papa Neorev
That's not really the issue, but it is great that you disagree with that statement.

The issue is should he be uninvited from speaking at the Pentagon because of that statement. And when you make Muslims feel victimized because of an unapologetic statement you make, you should not be allowed to speak at the Pentagon.
 
[quote name='Papa Neorev']That didn't take long.
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Yeah. The second I wrote that post, Christianity failed too, and was never heard from again, like an ogre in a fairytale. Sure feels good to be on the winning team this time.

Sorry you can't understand the inherent doubletalking going on when a religion leader gets pissy for being asked to be uninvited - something that's on the meanness scale right up there with "Could you please turn the music down a little?" - from speaking when he just got through bashing a religion he doesn't agree with.
 
"I said something that made me look like a douchebag and now i'm going to complain about being dumped."

His rights aren't being denied any more than anyone else's. If they were he wouldn't have been allowed to even say that.
 
[quote name='IRHari']The issue is should he be uninvited from speaking at the Pentagon because of that statement. And when you make Muslims feel victimized because of an unapologetic statement you make, you should not be allowed to speak at the Pentagon.[/QUOTE]

yes he should be uninvited.
 
[quote name='Strell']Yeah. The second I wrote that post, Christianity failed too, and was never heard from again, like an ogre in a fairytale. Sure feels good to be on the winning team this time.

Sorry you can't understand the inherent doubletalking going on when a religion leader gets pissy for being asked to be uninvited - something that's on the meanness scale right up there with "Could you please turn the music down a little?" - from speaking when he just got through bashing a religion he doesn't agree with.[/QUOTE]

you good sir are no different than Graham.
 
[quote name='Papa Neorev']you good sir are no different than Graham.[/QUOTE]

Awesome response. Try something even more predictable next time.
 
[quote name='Strell']Awesome response. Try something even more predictable next time.[/QUOTE]

If the truth is that predictable then I can lie to you next time if you really really want me to.
 
[quote name='Papa Neorev']That didn't take long.

It was a stupid comment that I for one don't agree with. But some Christians and Non-Christians probably agree with him.

Well that's about the extent of that so have at the Religion bashing Strell I wouldn't want to let open-mindedness get in the way. Since all Christians think alike (we all worship the pope in secret...I'm touching a little boy and shooting gay people right now......shhhhh)[/QUOTE]

It seems like what you're saying here is twofold:
1) You expected to see, and disapprove of, Christianity bashing in this thread.
2) Some people agree that Islam is evil, so Graham's comments are ok - the most incredulity you can muster is to say "I...don't agree with [it]."

...so yeah. How about that.
 
[quote name='Papa Neorev']If the truth is that predictable[/quote]

I can smell a narrow mind from a mile away.

then I can lie to you next time if you really really want me to.
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And one full of shit from two.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
2) Some people agree that Islam is evil, so Graham's comments are ok - the most incredulity you can muster is to say "I...don't agree with [it]."

...so yeah. How about that.[/QUOTE]

Of course Islam is evil. Anything based on a lie or delusion is evil whether it is Islam, Christianity, 99.9% of marriages, American Idol, Buddhism or the metric system.

The metric system? Yes, those bastards foisting their sticks upon us. I was born with a cubit, I'll die with a cubit.
 
Graham seems to think that he is entitled to speak at the Pentagon because he is an influential Christian. I find it ironic that he thinks this is a "right", the only time conservative Christians aren't decrying the entitlement generation is when they're whining like one of them.
 
[quote name='Strell']Christians don't understand that if they want special privileges extended to their dogma, then the principles our nation was founded upon dictate that it be given to others as well. They want their stupid cake and the ability to eat it too, while talking bullshit with their mouths full. Freedom of religion - to them - means for them only.

This is because the Christian faith says that only their ideology is correct, and so denying them anything is basically telling God to piss off.

Your logic can't get much worse than that, but if certain people show up in this thread, I'm sure they can dig the hole a big deeper.[/QUOTE]

Would you mind backing up that point, that other religions are tolerant and Christianity is the only exclusive major religion?

I'm not saying Graham is correct in believing freedom of religion means freedom for Christians only. That's the furthest thing from the truth.
However, I firmly believe that Christianity is not the only religion that is exclusive. The exclusive argument is one that gets used a lot.

Also, I don't know much about Franklin Graham, but from what I gather, he can be a bit of a douche(case in point, this tantrum). I don't think he feels entitlement because he's a Christian, though. I think he gets a sense of entitlement because he's Billy Graham's son.
 
[quote name='myl0r']Would you mind backing up that point, that other religions are tolerant and Christianity is the only exclusive major religion?[/QUOTE]

I think you're jumping the gun. Most if not all religions become intolerant the deeper a practitioner buys into a particular brand of religion.
 
So when Obama talks about developing a relationship with the Muslim world, where does that fall in priority with the Christian world or the Hebrew world?

Or, should we as a country be worried about "developing relationships" with any religion? Or just certain ones?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']So when Obama talks about developing a relationship with the Muslim world, where does that fall in priority with the Christian world or the Hebrew world?

Or, should we as a country be worried about "developing relationships" with any religion? Or just certain ones?[/QUOTE]

Permission to make a horribly racist comment requested.
 
I don't think anyone has a right to give prayer services at the pentagon, that's a privilege So I think he's going overboard by saying his religious rights are being denied.

And I have no problem with him not being allowed to preach their after those comments. Our government can't endorse people who say things like that. Our image in the Muslim world is poor enough as is.
 
[quote name='Strell']This is because the Christian faith says that only their ideology is correct, and so denying them anything is basically telling God to piss off.[/QUOTE]

Wait wait.. So you're telling me that islam, buddism, hindi, crazy tom cruise religion, etc etc all believe that there are other idiologys that are correct other then theirs? This is amazing. The things you learn on cag.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']Wait wait.. So you're telling me that islam, buddism, hindi, crazy tom cruise religion, etc etc all believe that there are other idiologys that are correct other then theirs? This is amazing. The things you learn on cag.[/QUOTE]

You need reading lessons.

if he said "only Christian..." then sure... but he didn't.
 
I don't think that Strell actually meant that Christianity was the only religion that believes it is exclusively right. Obviously everybody thinks they're right, but there are only a few religions/sects of religions that give up the exclusivity. Christianity (especially the brand of those like the Grahams) is not one of them, not by a long shot.

And I doubt this dude's particular beliefs allow much freedom of religion in principle either, so Strell's description is pretty accurate in this case at least.
 
Oh, he was accurate in saying that Christianity is not inclusive.
The way I read it is this:
In speaking about Islam and Christianity, Strell said that Graham felt this way because he believes in Christianity, which is exclusive. But Islam is as well. So he is either only telling half the truth, or actually believes that Christianity is exclusive but Islam is inclusive.
That might not be accurate to what he meant, but that's how I read it.
 
How his father's anti-Semitic talks with Nixon doesn't disqualify this conman from speaking at the Pentagon in the first place is beyond me.
 
I didn't really read it as comparing to Islam or saying anything at all about Islam really, just that Christians (I'd say mostly of the evangelical sort) often act the way he was describing.
 
Goodness. You people.

All major religions - you can probably omit the "major" part - think they are right. They all think they know the score, that their version of a deity is absolute, and all the other amenities that "being totally correct" affords you. Simple. Let's take it a tiny step further.

Christianity really gets off on this because they have the whole "our God came to Earth and walked among us and then returned to this throne in the sky and we can prove it because you can't find any bones from his body." And they'll be quick to point out that you can find the remains of other figures, such as Muhammed, which therefore makes them lesser.

Here's the main point: If every person in every religion thinks only they are right - and by extension, everyone else is wrong - then this creates a situation where you get people saying "You should cater to me, because my beliefs are the only correct ones." And that's ridiculous, at least in this nation, where we hold our hat high on our freedom-of-religion erections.

In other words, some dood doesn't get to throw a hissy fit for saying "EVERYONE ELSE CAN SUCK IT."

I do like this whole discussion about what I said though. Keep me in your thoughts more often. It gives me more power.
 
[quote name='Strell']Goodness. You people.

All major religions - you can probably omit the "major" part - think they are right. They all think they know the score, that their version of a deity is absolute, and all the other amenities that "being totally correct" affords you. Simple. Let's take it a tiny step further.

Christianity really gets off on this because they have the whole "our God came to Earth and walked among us and then returned to this throne in the sky and we can prove it because you can't find any bones from his body." And they'll be quick to point out that you can find the remains of other figures, such as Muhammed, which therefore makes them lesser.

Here's the main point: If every person in every religion thinks only they are right - and by extension, everyone else is wrong - then this creates a situation where you get people saying "You should cater to me, because my beliefs are the only correct ones." And that's ridiculous, at least in this nation, where we hold our hat high on our freedom-of-religion erections.

In other words, some dood doesn't get to throw a hissy fit for saying "EVERYONE ELSE CAN SUCK IT."

I do like this whole discussion about what I said though. Keep me in your thoughts more often. It gives me more power.[/QUOTE]
Well, like I said, I might have been reading it wrong.
Although I am confused why you needed to add the comment about Christianity being exclusive. If we can agree that (mostly)all religions are, there's really no need to point it out.
If the tables were turned and an Islamic religious leader felt the need to complain about being uninvited to a prayer meeting, would we feel the need to say
"He's just doing this because Islam is exclusive, so telling them they can't is telling Allah to piss off"?

[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']Well I heard from myke, that unclebob said, that mylor said, that rabbitt said, that thrustbucket said that Strell likes popcorn.[/QUOTE]
dammit, that's why I hate hearsay. I said he likes kettle corn!
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']Wait wait.. So you're telling me that islam, buddism, hindi, crazy tom cruise religion, etc etc all believe that there are other idiologys that are correct other then theirs? This is amazing. The things you learn on cag.[/QUOTE]

Ironically this is actually not too far off the mark. There are religions (one of them is in your list) that discourage blind faith and encourage practitioners to forge their own path and to think for themselves.
 
[quote name='myl0r']Although I am confused why you needed to add the comment about Christianity being exclusive. If we can agree that (mostly)all religions are, there's really no need to point it out.[/quote]

Again, Christianity gets to point out that Christ's bones aren't anywhere to be found. So they get...bonus point multipliers or something. I'm not claiming no one else doesn't do the same, I'm merely pointing out the extra feather in the hat.

If the tables were turned and an Islamic religious leader felt the need to complain about being uninvited to a prayer meeting, would we feel the need to say
"He's just doing this because Islam is exclusive, so telling them they can't is telling Allah to piss off"?
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I think IRHari already pointed this out long ago. We'd deny him the speech and then put him on the elevated investigation list or something.

Look. Christians all over the country are trying to do things like get statues of the ten commandments into courtrooms and stuff. When they do it, they are happy. The moment someone complains that it's an endorsement of a particular faith, they scoff and say "you mean the TRUE faith." And if the statue gets removed, they stamp their feet and say GOD WON'T LIKE THIS and then start trying to find ways to get the statue back in.

They never consider that the act of having a giant symbol specific to them implies that other religions ought to get the same treatment, given the foundations of this country they exploit for themselves.

Want to pray in school? Fine. But don't not/I] allow someone to look to Mecca during that period.

Also, Kettle Corn. Phbhbtbht.
 
[quote name='camoor']Ironically this is actually not too far off the mark. There are religions (one of them is in your list) that discourage blind faith and encourage practitioners to forge their own path and to think for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Crazy Tom Cruise religion?
 
[quote name='Quillion']Like this?

http://crossville-chronicle.com/loc...nster-takes-up-residence-at-county-courthouse[/QUOTE]
Wow, i need to drive to Crossville. :lol:

Love this though

I feel the Flying Spaghetti Monster is an effort on the part of non-Christians to try and minimize Christianity and the images that have been placed there.
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So the statues to Christianity are just symbols of people expressing their beliefs, but when someone else does it, they're trying to minimize your belief system.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']How his father's anti-Semitic talks with Nixon doesn't disqualify this conman from speaking at the Pentagon in the first place is beyond me.[/QUOTE]

Because this is America and children aren't judged by the sins of their parents.

Back on topic, why do some people on here seem to feel that Christianity is untouchable for criticism? You can bash everything all day long but as soon as someone says, "Catholics need to figure out how to get their priests from molesting small boys.", you've got a riot on your hands. Now, I'm not only anti-Catholic but anti-Christian AND anti-religion. I understand that faith is a touchy subject for some but are you really that threatened by video forum discourse?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']So when Obama talks about developing a relationship with the Muslim world, where does that fall in priority with the Christian world or the Hebrew world?

Or, should we as a country be worried about "developing relationships" with any religion? Or just certain ones?[/QUOTE]

It certainly doesn't (and shouldn't) make any specific religion feel victimized.

I was reading comments on WSJ, indicating some people would be totally cool with deporting all Muslims. Yeah, I think reaching out to the Muslim world and indicating the Gov't doesn't share that batshit deportation approach is important.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Because this is America and children aren't judged by the sins of their parents.

Back on topic, why do some people on here seem to feel that Christianity is untouchable for criticism? You can bash everything all day long but as soon as someone says, "Catholics need to figure out how to get their priests from molesting small boys.", you've got a riot on your hands. Now, I'm not only anti-Catholic but anti-Christian AND anti-religion. I understand that faith is a touchy subject for some but are you really that threatened by video forum discourse?[/QUOTE]

the reason why you personally offend is because people know you are anti. It's too difficult to view your opinions on the subject as objective criticism. This coupled with hypersensitivity. Personally, I think it's cool that you have an opinion.

BTW this whole forum is proof that you can't bash everything all day long without starting a riot.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']Wait wait.. So you're telling me that islam, buddism, hindi, crazy tom cruise religion, etc etc all believe that there are other idiologys that are correct other then theirs? This is amazing. The things you learn on cag.[/QUOTE]

Islam for one classifies Christians and Jews as "People of the Book" and maintains that their revelations from god remain valid for them. Even Hindus, Buddhists and Zoroastrians have been accorded this status at times. So yeah, not as exclusive as we've been lead to believe and much more inclusive than Christianity, which not only excludes, but condemns all who reject Christ to a pit of eternal burnination.

As far as I know, Buddhism is not terribly exclusive. In Japan Buddhism coexists smoothly with Shintoism, the only other major religion of the country, in the lives of many Japanese. Here in the US I've heard of Catholic Buddhists and Christian Buddhists of other denominations too, though rare. The Christian side of the equation frowns on such religious mixing of course. ;)
 
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[quote name='xxDOYLExx']the reason why you personally offend is because people know you are anti. It's too difficult to view your opinions on the subject as objective criticism. This coupled with hypersensitivity. Personally, I think it's cool that you have an opinion.

BTW this whole forum is proof that you can't bash everything all day long without starting a riot.[/QUOTE]

The funny thing is that I'm not anti-religion. A few negative comments don't make me anti-religion. Hell, I know many devout Catholics that rip the Catholic Church at every turn. Does that make them anti-religious?
 
[quote name='depascal22']The funny thing is that I'm not anti-religion. A few negative comments don't make me anti-religion. Hell, I know many devout Catholics that rip the Catholic Church at every turn. Does that make them anti-religious?[/QUOTE]

I was just taking you at your word.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']I hate you all.[/QUOTE]

Then you're just as much of a discriminatory asshole as Franklin Graham.
 
[quote name='numbier_wun']Then you're just as much of a discriminatory asshole as Franklin Graham.[/QUOTE]
If I am bigoted against improper capitalization, then so fucking be it.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']I hate you all.[/QUOTE]

I'll one up you. I'm agnostic, so I hate you and everyone else that claims to know something. ;)
 
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