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Old thread, new thread here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8775793

WHEN REPORTING TRADE-IN VALUES PLEASE POST BASE VALUES & SYSTEM IT IS FOR.


First post contains promo information & useful information and frequently asked questions. The second post is blank currently but is there for expansion or to revert back to the way things were. Third post has the 360/Wii/PS3 values. Fourth post has the PS2/GC values. Fifth post has DS/PSP values. Sixth post has hardware/accessory values for all systems.

Instructions on finding games in the database and inputting the values from different sections can be found in my blog post here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=14143. I would put the entire post in the thread but this is already kind of a large post.

Upcoming Promotions:

[quote name='Anonymous GameStop Employee']Trade 3 for 10 is extended.
50 for ps3/xb360 towards new hardware is extended.
25% power trade for Madden and Gears
40% more towards Rage (not yet confirmed but thats what i am told)

50% more towards preowned ends
40% towards e3 titles ends.[/QUOTE]


Current Promotions:
GameStop.com Information (will post it when they update it)


Trade 3 for an extra $10 (Ends 8/21/11)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Trade any 3 360, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP or 3DS games and get an extra $10 in-store credit.

Games with a trade value less than $2.00 are excluded from offer. Offer valid only toward games normally accepted in trade. Offer not good on cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer subject to change at anytime. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.[/QUOTE]


$50 Hardware Bonus Toward New Hardware (Ends 8/21/11)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get $50 extra in-store credit on any Xbox 360 or PS3 system traded toward any new hardware.

Offer valid toward the purchase of new hardware only. Offer not good on cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Hardware must have all necessary components for trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer vailid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.[/QUOTE]


Power Trade 25% - Gears of War 3, Madden 2012 or Rage (Ends 8/21/11)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Power Trade: Get a 25% trade bonus on any games traded toward a new copy of Gears of War 3, Madden 2012 or RAGE.

Full trade value amount must be applied toward pre-order/purchase of a new copy of Gears of War 3, Madden 2012 or RAGE. While supplies last. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward games normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.[/QUOTE]


$30 NCAA to Madden Rollover Coupon (Ends 9/4/11)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get $30 in-store credit for NCAA 2012 when traded toward the purchase of Madden NFL 2012.

Coupon required, limit 1 coupon per customer. Coupon must be surrendered upon use. Trade value amount must be applied toward reserve/purchase of a new Madden '12. Trade must be in full working condition to receive full value. Offer not valid toward cash trades. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.Offer expires 09/04/11[/QUOTE]

GAMESTOP USED GAME PRODUCT ID(thanks Xfactor4)
THE GAMESTOP USED GAME PRODUCT ID "CRACKED":

:gc:=916xxx
:360:=952xxx
:ps2:=938xxx or 939xxx
:wii:=917xxx
:psp:=935xxx
:ds:=919xxx
:ps3:=930xxx
:gba:=914xxx


FAQ
These trade-in values are really low!
While that may be true, if you combine the games with the right promotion they can work to your advantage. There are knowledgeable people in this thread that are normally willing to help.

Is there any way to look at what the previous values reported on a game?
You can search through this thread and previous ones to see what a game has been reported in the past. With the TIV Tracker you can sort by date and then go through the list of past updated values through that as well. Here are the previous GS TIV Threads: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13

Can I trade-in sealed games?
No. You might come across the rare GameStop that would let you do it, but they are going to open them anyway.


I don't want to get hassled about the values I post, how can I get the information out there?
If you do not feel comfortable or willing to put the values in the thread you have two options available. You can input them in the TIV tracker or you can send them to me via PM. Either way the database and these lists will be updated. Putting them into the TIV tracker does save me some time later on.

Do trade-ins have to have their original case, insert and manual?
No, however it will be YMMV on if they charge you a refurbish fee for them in that condition. Most GameStops wont charge a fee but there are some that charge for incomplete games.

Will they accept my game if it is really beat up?
YMMV. It really all depends upon the employee you get. Some will charge refurbish fees, some wont, some wont accept the game and others just take them without a second glance.

What are the refurb fees on games?
There appears to be set prices for set value ranges. We aren't 100% certain on the splits just yet. Here is what we have currently:
$0.25-$2 Value:
$0.75 Refurb Fee
$2.01-$4 Value: $1 Refurb Fee
$4.01-$7 Value: $2 Refurb Fee
$7.01-$10 Value: $3 Refurb Fee
$10.01 & Higher Value: $4 Refurb Fee
This information isn't guaranteed by any mean and we are still working on nailing it down.

What are the refurb fees on consoles?
They are listed in the hardware TIV section, highlight in red.


I have a Collector's/Limited/Special edition of a game, do I have to trade-in all of the extras?
No, but there are a handful of games that their variations have separate listings at GameStop: Madden 09 Anniversary Edition, Battlefield: Bad Company Gold Edition, and a few others.

Why didn't the percent bonus go for my accessory for a system that was included?
Unless stated otherwise, and they are rarely included, the bonuses never apply to accessories. Except the EDGE card of course.

I traded in a bunch of games for the "Trade X, get $X bonus" promo and it gave me the percentage bonus instead?
I can't give concretes on why this happens. GameStop computers are normally pretty good at giving you the better promo. In the case of a percentage bonus being run at the same time as a "Trade X, get $X" promo, things can get messy. The system appears to only give one promo on games per transaction so if you had a few games that you want to go to the percentage bonus and a stack for the "Trade X, Get $X" it will regularly apply the percentage to all of the games. Your best bet is to do all "Trade X, Get $X" games in one transaction on their own. The GameStop clerk may say that the system will figure it all out, tell them you want a separate transaction anyway. As always, check your receipt before you leave the store.


Can I trade in multiple copies of the same game?
YMMV. The official policy is no, but there are some GameStops that overlook that rule.

What all do I have to trade in for a console trade-in?
Xbox 360: Console Unit, power brick, A/V Cables, Controller (wired/wireless)
Wii: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cables, Wiimote, Nunchuck, Sensor Bar
Playstation 3: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller, USB Cable
Playstation 2: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller (Must be a DualShock2)
*Fat unit requires either back cover or network adapter*
GameCube: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller
PSP: Handheld, A/C Adapter
Nintendo DS/DSLite/DSi: Handheld, A/C Adapter, Stylus

Can I trade in a defective/broken console?
For the most part yes. If it powers on but doesn't play games, they will take the console as a refurb unit and put a refurb fee on the console. The refurb fee on the console will vary on the price of the console so those numbers will change. You are still required to trade in everything required listed in the question directly above. They will not, however, take RROD 360 consoles. There may be stores that still do it, but official policy is to not take them in.

What is the difference between PowerUp Rewards and PowerUp Rewards Pro?
The basic card is free and only allows you to acrew points when spending money. The Pro card costs $14.99 and is basically the same as the previous EDGE program.

How much does a PowerUp Rewards Pro subscription cost?
It costs $14.99 and is good for a year. It also comes with a 1-year subscription to Game Informer magazine.

What bonuses come with having an PowerUp Rewards Pro card?
You will get an extra 10% trade-in credit on the base value of the game, extra 10% off the purchase of pre-owned games and 10% off new strategy guides.

Does the Power Up Rewards Card give me a bonus on hardware trade-ins?
No. You will only get the bonus for games and accessories.

What if I want cash instead of credit, what do they deduct?
If you decide that you want cash instead of credit, they will take 20% off the base values and promos will not apply.

Does promo "....." have a minimum trade-in value?
If the promo has a minimum trade-in value requirement, it will be listed in the promo. If it isn't there, then there is no limit. However, as with all trades, they are subject to manager approval so the manager could have setup his own little rule-set requiring a minimum of whatever.

I used a Power Trade promo for a pre-order, can I cancel that pre-order and get the credit or move it to another game I want?
Yes on both accounts. However, if you do a bunch of the power trades and just straight drop the pre-order you could create some ill-will between yourself and the employees you cancel on. However, if you look at the wordings on promos, they can remove the bonus trade-in value if they decide to.

I just tried to use a promo that has a select list of games eligible, but they say my game isn't eligible anymore, what gives?
Basically they have the right to change the eligible games at any time. They tend to update these frequently so as to lock out any easy/cheap games. It's best to check the eligible list the day of your trade.

Can I stack two different trade-in promos?
No. The only thing that will stack with trade-ins is your EDGE card. Some will report success, but this requires a manual override and is very YMMV.

If I pay for an item using all credit on my card, do I have to pay sales tax?
This varies depending upon the state you live in.

What states charge sales tax on purchases paid in full with credit and which ones don't?
Charge Sales Tax on Credit Purchases: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia
Does Not Charge Sales Tax on Credit Purchases: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming
No Information Yet:


My state doesn't charge sales tax on purchases made by credit, why is gamestop.com charging me tax?
It is just the way they have designed their system. The best theory we have seen is that since you are only inputting the number off of the back of the card, it isn't going to pick up the programming from the specially tagged EDGE cards. Some kind of programming that gets input from their system that wont show up when only inputting the number off the back of the card.


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tivs 7/31 ps3: MW2 = $11 17.60 after promo xbox 360: Mortal Kombat = $23 37.80 after promo pokemon white =$16 $26.70 after promo *used email coupon* black ops 23 $42.30 after promo *used exclusive email coupon
 
The GS employee was blathering on to some kid tonight about a 3 day sale this upcoming weekend on the 3ds where they are dropping the price to the new msrp and giving $100 credit for trading in ANY old ds you have, including lite (ie, 3ds for 70 bucks+ tradein I guess). I dont know the veracity of the message but just giving a heads up.
 
[quote name='killercane']The GS employee was blathering on to some kid tonight about a 3 day sale this upcoming weekend on the 3ds where they are dropping the price to the new msrp and giving $100 credit for trading in ANY old ds you have, including lite (ie, 3ds for 70 bucks+ tradein I guess). I dont know the veracity of the message but just giving a heads up.[/QUOTE]

That sounds way too good to be true. No way they'd give $100 for a used system that costs $100 brand new.
 
[quote name='killercane']The GS employee was blathering on to some kid tonight about a 3 day sale this upcoming weekend on the 3ds where they are dropping the price to the new msrp and giving $100 credit for trading in ANY old ds you have, including lite (ie, 3ds for 70 bucks+ tradein I guess). I dont know the veracity of the message but just giving a heads up.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that information is definitely skewed.
What I read was that Powerup Rewards Pro members who have been members since before 8/4 will receive a coupon to get the 3DS for $100 after trade-in (+tax of course).
There will be other promos that will allow people to get the 3ds cheaper, but I forget what they were.
 
Having trouble updating lists currently. I haven't forgotten just getting some odd errors. I'll focus on the database until I can get a better edit/update to the lists.
 
[quote name='hensleyc']Yeah, that information is definitely skewed.
What I read was that Powerup Rewards Pro members who have been members since before 8/4 will receive a coupon to get the 3DS for $100 after trade-in (+tax of course).
There will be other promos that will allow people to get the 3ds cheaper, but I forget what they were.[/QUOTE]

It will most likely be 100 with trade in if DSIXL and scale down for lower end DS.
 
[quote name='hensleyc']Yeah, that information is definitely skewed.
What I read was that Powerup Rewards Pro members who have been members since before 8/4 will receive a coupon to get the 3DS for $100 after trade-in (+tax of course).
There will be other promos that will allow people to get the 3ds cheaper, but I forget what they were.[/QUOTE]

Too bad I'm not a pro member anymore, I might bite on that deal.
 
Trade in Values for today.

:360:360:

Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution- $9
Ninja Gaiden 2- $3
Burnout Paradise- $7

Got $29 with the trade 3 for $10.

Funny fact, go in and ask the guy about when the next b2g1 is and I get the repy, " WE have no idea. You guys find out before us." I find that hilarious, but untrue.
 
[quote name='FreeskierInVT']Am I reading this right? From GameStop's weekly ad:

$10 extra in-store credit when you trade in any 3 Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, PSP, DS or 3DS games.

Fine print says "Full value must be applied towards the purchase of pre-owned merchandise". Doesn't say base value must be $2 or more.

http://www.gamestop.com/gs/weeklyad/current/081011/default.aspx?cid=eml_10000269[/QUOTE]

I noticed that too. If that's the case I'm going to trade in a shit-ton of old PS2 crap.
 
[quote name='goodbyetonight']I noticed that too. If that's the case I'm going to trade in a shit-ton of old PS2 crap.[/QUOTE]

no can't you read, it said only new gen games. Also I doubt any game would count since it said games normally accepted, but try it and post your results.
 
[quote name='FreeskierInVT']Am I reading this right? From GameStop's weekly ad:

$10 extra in-store credit when you trade in any 3 Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, PSP, DS or 3DS games.

Fine print says "Full value must be applied towards the purchase of pre-owned merchandise". Doesn't say base value must be $2 or more.

http://www.gamestop.com/gs/weeklyad/current/081011/default.aspx?cid=eml_10000269[/QUOTE]

On the trade-in deals page:

Trade 3 For An Extra $10

Trade any 3 360, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP or 3DS games and get an extra $10 in-store credit.

Games with a trade value less than $2.00 are excluded from offer. Offer valid only toward games normally accepted in trade. Offer not good on cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer subject to change at anytime. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.
Offer valid 7/11/11 - 8/21/11.
 
[quote name='Royal High Knight']no can't you read, it said only new gen games. Also I doubt any game would count since it said games normally accepted, but try it and post your results.[/QUOTE]

Bleh, didn't see that. Oh well.
 
[quote name='ClevelandBrowns']On the trade-in deals page:

Trade 3 For An Extra $10

Trade any 3 360, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP or 3DS games and get an extra $10 in-store credit.

Games with a trade value less than $2.00 are excluded from offer. Offer valid only toward games normally accepted in trade. Offer not good on cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer subject to change at anytime. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.
Offer valid 7/11/11 - 8/21/11.
[/QUOTE]

In the ad, it says "See store associate for details." That's where they'll get you on the $2.00 and up restrictions.
 
Any idea when GS is gonna run another good trade-in promo? I'm looking to trade in COD: Black Ops, Mortal Kombat, Hunted: The Demon's Forge, and NCAA 12, but with TIV's of around $20 each, a $10 bonus for 3 of them is kind of worthless.

Any advice? Should I hold onto them for a few weeks or should I just get what I can now?
 
[quote name='erdmanski1341']Any idea when GS is gonna run another good trade-in promo? I'm looking to trade in COD: Black Ops, Mortal Kombat, Hunted: The Demon's Forge, and NCAA 12, but with TIV's of around $20 each, a $10 bonus for 3 of them is kind of worthless.

Any advice? Should I hold onto them for a few weeks or should I just get what I can now?[/QUOTE]

Trade NCAA 12 for Madden 12 (It's $30 tarde in for Madden). As for the other games I would hold onto them until a better promo. There was one but I guess only a handful of people got it.
 
That new 3 for $10 without the $2 restriction seems tempting. It sounds like a completely different promotion, except you do have to put it towards preowned games so that makes up for the restriction.


Anyway, new story:

I went to a GS today to trade in a game and a HDMI cable. The girl does the game, then when she gets to the cable, she turns around to the other employee working and asks "how do I do this?" She was slow, so I'm pretty sure she was relatively new. The other employee says "We can't take them." I look at him and ask why. He said they told him they're not allowed to take them anymore. I say "Well, I know you did in the past... I trade one in a few weeks ago. What's changed?" He says "Some guy from Comcast came in with a huge box of them that (apparently) he took from the company." I was like "Wow, that's ridiculous. Shouldn't he have been arrested or something? Sounds pretty illegal." He was like "I don't know what happened, but we had to give them back." And that's about all I heard about it.

Now, from only one previous interaction with this employee in the past, I know he's a douchebag, so that means who knows if this story is true or not. Even if it is true, it could just be this store or even regional. Either way, I'm going to try another store tomorrow or Friday.
 
What do I need to trade in a core 360? Xbox, power brick, A/V cables, wireless controller (are batteries required?), do they need the original ethernet cable and the wired headset, too?
 
[quote name='shytface']What do I need to trade in a core 360? Xbox, power brick, A/V cables, wireless controller (are batteries required?), do they need the original ethernet cable and the wired headset, too?[/QUOTE]

Controller, Console, AV cables, power brick
 
[quote name='poker360']Controller, Console, AV cables, power brick[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I thought they used to require ethernet + headset a long time ago too, but I guess they don't need those anymore? And does the controller need to have batteries in it or will they just use one they have at the counter?
 
Is anyone going to see if they can trade in some games that have a TIV less than $2.50. if this actually happens I wouldn't mind picking up some cheap sports games and getting $10.
 
[quote name='xskaxninjax']

Anyway, new story:

I went to a GS today to trade in a game and a HDMI cable. The girl does the game, then when she gets to the cable, she turns around to the other employee working and asks "how do I do this?" She was slow, so I'm pretty sure she was relatively new. The other employee says "We can't take them." I look at him and ask why. He said they told him they're not allowed to take them anymore. I say "Well, I know you did in the past... I trade one in a few weeks ago. What's changed?" He says "Some guy from Comcast came in with a huge box of them that (apparently) he took from the company." I was like "Wow, that's ridiculous. Shouldn't he have been arrested or something? Sounds pretty illegal." He was like "I don't know what happened, but we had to give them back." And that's about all I heard about it.

Now, from only one previous interaction with this employee in the past, I know he's a douchebag, so that means who knows if this story is true or not. Even if it is true, it could just be this store or even regional. Either way, I'm going to try another store tomorrow or Friday.[/QUOTE]

A manager I know fairly well asked me if the ones I had were from Comcast. This was a couple weeks ago. I was wondering what prompted that question.
 
[quote name='shytface']Thanks, I thought they used to require ethernet + headset a long time ago too, but I guess they don't need those anymore? And does the controller need to have batteries in it or will they just use one they have at the counter?[/QUOTE]

From my experience you don't need batteries.
 
[quote name='shytface']Thanks, I thought they used to require ethernet + headset a long time ago too, but I guess they don't need those anymore? And does the controller need to have batteries in it or will they just use one they have at the counter?[/QUOTE]

However, you cannot use the recharable battery pack. It must be the 2 AA battery pack things. Not the "play and charge" batteries.
 
Can you combine the Super Mario All-Star coupon with the 3/10?

Can you use them both at the same time or do they have to be seperate transactions.
 
[quote name='Algertman']Can you combine the Super Mario All-Star coupon with the 3/10?

Can you use them both at the same time or do they have to be seperate transactions.[/QUOTE]

One or the other, tried it earlier myself.
 
On the trade 3, get extra $10 - does that mean you only get the extra $10 once, or do you get the extra $10 for every third game traded?
 
[quote name='wastedyears']On the trade 3, get extra $10 - does that mean you only get the extra $10 once, or do you get the extra $10 for every third game traded?[/QUOTE]

Should automatically give it to you for every set of three. But if it doesn't for some reason, no reason you can't just do separate transactions.
 
Looking to trade in my wireless 360 controller. Suggestions? Did I just miss a deal? Are we expecting one soon for some reason?
 
[quote name='wune']Looking to trade in my wireless 360 controller. Suggestions? Did I just miss a deal? Are we expecting one soon for some reason?[/QUOTE]

You're probably better off to sell it yourself on ebay or craigslist...gamestop wont give you much and assuming it works you could easily get over $20 on those two sites
 
[quote name='mattcube64']Should automatically give it to you for every set of three. But if it doesn't for some reason, no reason you can't just do separate transactions.[/QUOTE]

Ok, cool. Thanks!
 
[quote name='nakanenui']So was the "get 40% extra when preorder RAGE" confirmed?[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. The GameStop web site only mentions a 25% bonus:
Power Trade: Get a 25% trade bonus on any games traded toward a new copy of Gears of War 3, Madden 2012 or RAGE.
 
Can someone do me a favor? I want to know the TIV of Catherine for PS3. Im gonna do the trade 3 get $10 promo. All the GameStops in Florida are closed. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks a lot :D!
 
[quote name='emokid9963']Can someone do me a favor? I want to know the TIV of Catherine for PS3. Im gonna do the trade 3 get $10 promo. All the GameStops in Florida are closed. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks a lot :D![/QUOTE]

You could always call a Gamestop in another state...
 
[quote name='emokid9963']Can someone do me a favor? I want to know the TIV of Catherine for PS3. Im gonna do the trade 3 get $10 promo. All the GameStops in Florida are closed. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks a lot :D![/QUOTE]

It's not going to be worth it. You're better off selling it on Amazon. If you includes the extras, you'll probably sell for much more money and faster than the current listings on Amazon.
 
Does gamestop take 360 with no video output but just the sound? And also, it only came with play and charge controller, will they take this as well with the bundle? Lastly, I'm planning to get a new system, will I get the $50 towards a new system?
 
TIVs from 8/10:

:ps2: Slim Console - $25
:ps3: Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time - $9.00
:ps3: Red Faction: Guerilla - $3.00
:ps3: Darksiders - $6.00
 
[quote name='coolrust']Does gamestop take 360 with no video output but just the sound? And also, it only came with play and charge controller, will they take this as well with the bundle? Lastly, I'm planning to get a new system, will I get the $50 towards a new system?[/QUOTE]

wow... 1. too many questions. 2. Call your local GS if you really want to find out. 3. You need all the audio and video cables, no the charge thing isn't needed, and if the promo isn't past it's expiration date, then yes it is still working.
 
[quote name='arsenal_fan']Does this promo (3/$10) work for games < $2 or was that just mistakenly left out from the GS weekly ad?[/QUOTE]
No I think they mistakenly left it out of the ad
On their website -Games with a trade value less than $2.00 are excluded from offer
 
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