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NEW THREAD LOCATED HERE: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/316500-gamestop-tivpromos-thread-xxi-3-extra-on-every-game-2-and-higher-when-trading-in-3-or-more-games-kindle-cards-come-back/

WHEN REPORTING TRADE-IN VALUES PLEASE POST BASE VALUES & SYSTEM IT IS FOR.

First post contains promo information & useful information and frequently asked questions. Second post has the values for games/hardware for Microsoft devices. Third post has the values for games/hardware for Nintendo consoles and the fourth post has the values for Nintendo handhelds. Fifth post has the values for games/hardware for Sony consoles and the sixth post has the values for Sony handhelds.

Instructions on finding games in the database and inputting the values from different sections can be found in my blog post here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=14143. I would put the entire post in the thread but this is already kind of a large post.

WHEN POSTING VALUES:

Please try to follow the example below if possible. If you feel the need to use the system icons, please only use them once at and at the top of the list. Also always post the system it's for even if it's only on one system. I may not always know it.

5/13

360

Game1

Game2

Game3

PS3

Game1

Game2

Game3

Current Promotions:
GameStop.com Information (will post it when they update it)

50% extra credit on trade *WITH COUPON FROM RENEWING POWERUP PRO ONLY* (Ends 6/30, close of business)
GameStop.com said:
GameStop currently has a promotion where when you get a new or renew your PowerUp Rewards Pro you are getting a coupon for 50% on a trade done with that coupon. Works on games and hardware.

"50% extra in-store credit for every item you trade

Not valid toward cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Defective items may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Trades subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. See store associate for details. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend with or without notice. Expires 7/31/13"
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30% extra credit towards select products. (Ends 7/14/13)
GameStop.com said:
30% extra in-store credit when you trade any games, accessories, systems, smart phones, tablets and more toward:

  • SOL Republic headphones
  • Nexus 7 32GB
  • Net-10
  • NCAA Football 14
  • Pikmin 3
  • Disney Infinity
  • Saints Row IV
  • Splinter Cell: Blacklist
  • Madden NFL 25
  • Grand Theft Auto V
  • FIFA 14
  • Battlefield 4
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$3 extra on every game $2 and higher when trading in 3 or more (Ends 7/14/13)
GameStop.com said:
Get $3 extra in-store for every game you trade, when you trade 3 or more games.

Games with a trade value less than $2.00 are excluded from offer. Not valid toward cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Defective items may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Trades subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.
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Trade 2 eligible games get new game for $9.99 (Ends 7/14/13)
GameStop.com said:
Get any new game valued at $59.99 for $9.99 when you trade in 2 eligible games:
Army of Two Devil's Cartel
BioShock Infinite
Call of Duty Black Ops 2
Dead Island Riptide
Defiance
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
FIFA Soccer 13
Fire Emblem Awakening
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
Gears of War: Judgment
God of War: Ascension
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
LEGO City: Undercover
Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
Major League Baseball 2K13
Mario Party 9
Mass Effect Trilogy
Metroid Prime Trilogy
MLB 13: The Show
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 3
NHL 13
Ni No Kuni:Wrath of the White Witch
One Piece Unlimited Adventure
Pokemon HeartGold
Pokemon SoulSilver
Star Trek
Super Mario All-Stars: Limited Edition
Super Mario Bros, New 2
Super Mario Bros. New
Super Mario Bros. New U
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Tales of Graces f
Tiger Woods 14
WWE 13
Xenoblade Chronicles
Zero's Escape: Virtue's Last Reward

*Customer may be responsible for sales tax. Net credit after promotion is $50.00 or greater, and must be applied toward the purchase of a new game priced $59.98 or higher. If applicable, excess credit remaining after purchase will be returned to the customer in the form of in-store credit. After promotion, cost to the customer will be $9.99 before tax, where applicable, for games priced at $59.99. Customer is responsible for any additional cost when purchasing games priced over $59.99. Eligible games must be traded in the same transaction as the purchase of an eligible new game. Not valid toward cash trades. Offer valid only when eligible items are traded. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Defective items may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Trades subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.
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FAQ
These trade-in values are really low!
While that may be true, if you combine the games with the right promotion they can work to your advantage. There are knowledgeable people in this thread that are normally willing to help.

Is there any way to look at what the previous values reported on a game?
You can search through this thread and previous ones to see what a game has been reported in the past. With the TIV Tracker you can sort by date and then go through the list of past updated values through that as well. Here are the previous GS TIV Threads: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15,16, 17, 18, 19, Old thread links don't work,,,,,

Can I trade-in sealed games?
No. You might come across the rare GameStop that would let you do it, but they are going to open them anyway.

I don't want to get hassled about the values I post, how can I get the information out there?
If you do not feel comfortable or willing to put the values in the thread you have two options available. You can input them in the TIV tracker or you can send them to me via PM. Either way the database and these lists will be updated. Putting them into the TIV tracker does save me some time later on.

Do trade-ins have to have their original case, insert and manual?
No, however it will be YMMV on if they charge you a refurbish fee for them in that condition. Most GameStops wont charge a fee but there are some that charge for incomplete games.

Will they accept my game if it is really beat up?
YMMV. It really all depends upon the employee you get. Some will charge refurbish fees, some wont, some wont accept the game and others just take them without a second glance.

What are the refurb fees on games?
There appears to be set prices for set value ranges. We aren't 100% certain on the splits just yet. Here is what we have currently:
$0.25-$2 Value: $0.75 Refurb Fee
$2.01-$4 Value: $1 Refurb Fee
$4.01-$7 Value: $2 Refurb Fee
$7.01-$10 Value: $3 Refurb Fee
$10.01 & Higher Value: $4 Refurb Fee
This information isn't guaranteed by any mean and we are still working on nailing it down.

What are the refurb fees on consoles?
They are listed in the hardware TIV section, highlight in red.

I have a Collector's/Limited/Special edition of a game, do I have to trade-in all of the extras?
No, but there are a handful of games that their variations have separate listings at GameStop: Madden 09 Anniversary Edition, Battlefield: Bad Company Gold Edition, and a few others.

Why didn't the percent bonus go for my accessory for a system that was included?
Unless stated otherwise, and they are rarely included, the bonuses never apply to accessories. Except the PowerUp Rewards card of course.

I traded in a bunch of games for the "Trade X, get $X bonus" promo and it gave me the percentage bonus instead?
I can't give concretes on why this happens. GameStop computers are normally pretty good at giving you the better promo. In the case of a percentage bonus being run at the same time as a "Trade X, get $X" promo, things can get messy. The system appears to only give one promo on games per transaction so if you had a few games that you want to go to the percentage bonus and a stack for the "Trade X, Get $X" it will regularly apply the percentage to all of the games. Your best bet is to do all "Trade X, Get $X" games in one transaction on their own. The GameStop clerk may say that the system will figure it all out, tell them you want a separate transaction anyway. As always, check your receipt before you leave the store.

Can I trade in multiple copies of the same game?
YMMV. The official policy is no, but there are some GameStops that overlook that rule.

What all do I have to trade in for a console trade-in?
Xbox 360: Console Unit, power brick, A/V Cables, Controller (wired/wireless)
Wii: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cables, Wiimote, Nunchuck, Sensor Bar
Playstation 3: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller, USB Cable
PSP: Handheld, A/C Adapter
Nintendo DS/DSLite/DSi: Handheld, A/C Adapter, Stylus

Can I trade in a defective/broken console?
For the most part yes. If it powers on but doesn't play games, they will take the console as a refurb unit and put a refurb fee on the console. The refurb fee on the console will vary on the price of the console so those numbers will change. You are still required to trade in everything required listed in the question directly above.

What is the difference between PowerUp Rewards and PowerUp Rewards Pro?
The basic card is free and only allows you to acrew points when spending money. The Pro card costs $14.99 and is basically the same as the previous EDGE program.

How much does a PowerUp Rewards Pro subscription cost?
It costs $14.99 and is good for a year. It also comes with a 1-year subscription to Game Informer magazine.

What bonuses come with having an PowerUp Rewards Pro card?
You will get an extra 10% trade-in credit on the base value of the game, extra 10% off the purchase of pre-owned games and 10% off new strategy guides.

Does the Power Up Rewards Card give me a bonus on hardware trade-ins?
No. You will only get the bonus for games and accessories.

What if I want cash instead of credit, what do they deduct?
If you decide that you want cash instead of credit, they will take 20% off the base values and promos will not apply.

Does promo "....." have a minimum trade-in value?
If the promo has a minimum trade-in value requirement, it will be listed in the promo. If it isn't there, then there is no limit. However, as with all trades, they are subject to manager approval so the manager could have setup his own little rule-set requiring a minimum of whatever.

I used a Power Trade promo for a pre-order, can I cancel that pre-order and get the credit or move it to another game I want?
Yes on both accounts. However, if you do a bunch of the power trades and just straight drop the pre-order you could create some ill-will between yourself and the employees you cancel on. However, if you look at the wordings on promos, they can remove the bonus trade-in value if they decide to.

I just tried to use a promo that has a select list of games eligible, but they say my game isn't eligible anymore, what gives?
Basically they have the right to change the eligible games at any time. They tend to update these frequently so as to lock out any easy/cheap games. It's best to check the eligible list the day of your trade.

Can I stack two different trade-in promos?
No. The only thing that will stack with trade-ins is your PowerUp Rewards card. Some will report success, but this requires a manual override and is very YMMV.

If I pay for an item using all credit on my card, do I have to pay sales tax?
This varies depending upon the state you live in.

If I buy a used copy of a game that requires an online pass for multiplayer, will it come with an online pass?
If you purchase a used title published by either Sony or WB you get an online pass from GS on your receipt. That's also why the used copies are $55 instead of $48 when the MSRP is $60. No GS issued passes of games published by EA, THQ, etc. On those titles you're totally dependent on the previous owner not using the code.

What states charge sales tax on purchases paid in full with credit and which ones don't?
Charge Sales Tax on Credit Purchases: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia
Does Not Charge Sales Tax on Credit Purchases: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming
May or May Not Charge, Depending Upon County: Florida,

My state doesn't charge sales tax on purchases made by credit, why is gamestop.com charging me tax?
It is just the way they have designed their system. The best theory we have seen is that since you are only inputting the number off of the back of the card, it isn't going to pick up the programming from the specially tagged EDGE cards. Some kind of programming that gets input from their system that wont show up when only inputting the number off the back of the card.


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Trade-in TIVs

PS3:

Sims 3 Pets - $7.50

LBP2 SE - $6

Skate 3 - $7

MX vs ATV: Reflex - $6

360

GTA 4 Complete - $9

MK vs DC Universe - $6

3DS

Finding Nemo - $7

I'm back from vacation, bitches! Miss me?

 
-Aviator- said:
Only got the 10% PUR bonus on the cables (An astonishing $0.60!) :rofl: . I wonder if I was suppose to get it on the Kinect as well? Hm..
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I believe the extra 10% with a pro PUR only works on games and accessories. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I was pretty sure the kinect was considered an accessory in GS's database.

Also, didn't know that 50% extra TIV worked on consoles and phones too, pretty sweet deal there.

 
ZerotypeX said:
-Aviator- said:
Only got the 10% PUR bonus on the cables (An astonishing $0.60!) :rofl: . I wonder if I was suppose to get it on the Kinect as well? Hm..
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I believe the extra 10% with a pro PUR only works on games and accessories. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I was pretty sure the kinect was considered an accessory in GS's database.

Also, didn't know that 50% extra TIV worked on consoles and phones too, pretty sweet deal there.
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I'm gonna end up with a bonus 142 in credit for my ipad 3 16gb, not sure why they are allowing this, but I'm cool with it.

 
silly question, but if i trade in for the 50% bonus on the last of us, and the value is over the game, then return the last of us in the same time, will i get the bonus value?

 
Play3rtwo said:
silly question, but if i trade in for the 50% bonus on the last of us, and the value is over the game, then return the last of us in the same time, will i get the bonus value?
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I honestly wouldn't try it. The employees or manager might not like it. Just sell the game on here or on Ebay and take the $20 or so hit.

Just trying to save you the possibility of them giving you hassle.
 
Play3rtwo said:
silly question, but if i trade in for the 50% bonus on the last of us, and the value is over the game, then return the last of us in the same time, will i get the bonus value?
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You'll still keep the bonus value and everything. If you're paranoid about it just ask for Gift receipt and return it using that
 
ZerotypeX said:
-Aviator- said:
Only got the 10% PUR bonus on the cables (An astonishing $0.60!) :rofl: . I wonder if I was suppose to get it on the Kinect as well? Hm..
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I believe the extra 10% with a pro PUR only works on games and accessories. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I was pretty sure the kinect was considered an accessory in GS's database.

Also, didn't know that 50% extra TIV worked on consoles and phones too, pretty sweet deal there.
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The Kinect is considered hardware because it has moving part.

 
Bipolar Bear212 said:
Would Gamestop take the special edition 4GB white Xbox 360 Slim?
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Yes. You don't get anything extra though.

Play3rtwo said:
silly question, but if i trade in for the 50% bonus on the last of us, and the value is over the game, then return the last of us in the same time, will i get the bonus value?
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I wouldn't do it at the same time. They'd get suspicious or something. Just take it home and return it the next day or so.

 
ZerotypeX said:
-Aviator- said:
Only got the 10% PUR bonus on the cables (An astonishing $0.60!) :rofl: . I wonder if I was suppose to get it on the Kinect as well? Hm..
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I believe the extra 10% with a pro PUR only works on games and accessories. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I was pretty sure the kinect was considered an accessory in GS's database.
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I believe that is true too.. but where does it specifically state only games & accessories?

 
When I traded in my Wii today, they said I needed to have the Nunchuk as well.  Now I always thought that it did not come with one.  I had to buy a used one in order to trade in.  But I think I may have been tricked.  Anyone else have this issue?

 
Was driving by gamestop today and saw they had a huge banner out front that said "Trade 2 get $30 off anything in the store"

Anyone know anything more about this?

 
6/19

360:

Condemned: Criminal Origins $0.50

PS3:

Yakuza 4: $5.00

Assassin's Creed 3:  $5.00

Catherine:  $8.00

Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection: $7.00

Singularity: $1.00

God of War: Origins Collection: $6.00

Alpha Protocol:  $0.50

Darksiders:  $4.00

Mirror's Edge: $2.00

Resident Evil 5:  Gold Edition:  $7.00

Dragon Age 2: Signature Edition: $2.00

 
Do the video games have to be over $3 for the the 3/5/7 promo to work?

Because i called my local GameStop to ask about a few trade in values and most of them were under $3 but the guy said to bring them in and he'd do the promo for me.

 
JakeM17 said:
Do the video games have to be over $3 for the the 3/5/7 promo to work?
Because i called my local GameStop to ask about a few trade in values and most of them were under $3 but the guy said to bring them in and he'd do the promo for me.
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Normally they do have to be over $3. I was pretty much told this by a Gamestop employee when trading things in.
 
I have a question regarding trading in an older Xbox 360 Premium (fat). 

The Xbox itself has a 120 gb HDD attached to it, however, when I take it off I don't have the plastic piece to cover the HDD tray.

Will they hit me with a refurb fee because of this? Thanks!

 
Saw some people say that some areas stopped the 3/5/7 deal.  Anyone know what areas are affected? Would really suck if I can't get the deal because I waited to beat Lollipop Chainsaw first...

 
JakeM17 said:
Do the video games have to be over $3 for the the 3/5/7 promo to work?

Because i called my local GameStop to ask about a few trade in values and most of them were under $3 but the guy said to bring them in and he'd do the promo for me.
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You better run over there and kiss the guy's butt then :D

bc you very lucky to have a GS emp do that for you

 
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JakeM17 said:
Do the video games have to be over $3 for the the 3/5/7 promo to work?

Because i called my local GameStop to ask about a few trade in values and most of them were under $3 but the guy said to bring them in and he'd do the promo for me.
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As long as its $3 it's fine. I traded all the old AC games on 360 & Dead Space 2 on PS3, which were all $3, & got the promo.
swift fix said:
I have a question regarding trading in an older Xbox 360 Premium (fat).

The Xbox itself has a 120 gb HDD attached to it, however, when I take it off I don't have the plastic piece to cover the HDD tray.

Will they hit me with a refurb fee because of this? Thanks!
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They shouldn't unless you get a douche store. It's not required.
 
Punisher138 said:
Saw some people say that some areas stopped the 3/5/7 deal. Anyone know what areas are affected? Would really suck if I can't get the deal because I waited to beat Lollipop Chainsaw first...
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Try calling your local GS and ask them about the promo
I'm also trying to beat Lollipop Chainsaw so i can trade it in for the promo

 
6/19/13

360

Portal 2: $15

Dead Island GOTY: $8

Catherine: $7.50

Halo Wars: $7

Witcher 2: $10

Protoype 2: $7.50

Ps3

MLB 2k12: $4

All in all after bonus, $99.35. Now I get to head to the store closer to my house to trade in an 360 with my 50% couopon that just cleared.

 
Does anyone have any ideas for GS -> GS with a b2g1 preowned? I'm going to be renewing again and I'd like to pick up some extra stuff before I head back once that 50% coupon clears.

 
JakeM17 said:
Do the video games have to be over $3 for the the 3/5/7 promo to work?

Because i called my local GameStop to ask about a few trade in values and most of them were under $3 but the guy said to bring them in and he'd do the promo for me.
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$3 and up, yes. Was he offering to override it if they didn't come up with the promo? Because you'd need to watch that carefully to be sure. He may just let you get the lesser promo on the smaller number of games assuming, as they always do, that the "computer selects the best deal".

Punisher138 said:
Saw some people say that some areas stopped the 3/5/7 deal. Anyone know what areas are affected? Would really suck if I can't get the deal because I waited to beat Lollipop Chainsaw first...
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I'm in the Pacific NW and it worked for me today.

6/19

:360:

Spiderman 3 - $7.50

:ps3:

Devil May Cry 4 - $3

Dirt - $4

Grand Theft Auto IV - $6

NBA Jam - $9

Sims 3 - $6

Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing - $7

Total: $81.75 applied to my PS4 preorder

I saw the DMC4 quote in the OP from 4 or 5 days ago and was shocked since the used sales price is just $12.99. Usually games at $14.99 are iffy for $3 trade-in values (usually need to be $17.99 and up to be safe). But sure enough it held. I had that game buried deep within a drawer and didn't even know I had it until I started digging around for more games to bring in (that is also where I found GTA IV and Dirt).

 
6/19

Wii:

Just Dance 4 - $11

Just Dance Disney Party - $10

360:

MLB 2K12 - $10 (quote)

iPod:

iPod Nano 5th Gen (good) - $26

Got $73.10 for everything, but I got hit with a $1 refurb fee after the fact. Odd and annoying, but whatever. Especially nice considering I paid $16.23 for everything, including MLB which I actually kept.

 
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The trade 3/5/7 ended on Sunday in my district. I asked the associate why, and he told me it was because Gamestop is running a promotion that includes 150 games with a trade in value of at least $15.  :roll:

:360:

Silent Hill Homecoming - $ 5

Army of Two - $1

Fallout New Vegas - $1.50

:ps3:

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Hd Collection - $ 8

Prince of Persia Hd Collection - $5

Dead Space 2 - $5

 
360:

Left 4 Dead - $8

Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 - $20

Portal 2 - $15

The Witcher 2 - $10

Just Dance 3 - $9

PS3

The Last of Us - $26

Just Dance 3 - $10

Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 - $20

Infamous Collection - $10

Wii

Epic Mickey 2 - $11

 
heatfan1121 said:
The trade 3/5/7 ended on Sunday in my district. I asked the associate why, and he told me it was because Gamestop is running a promotion that includes 150 games with a trade in value of at least $15. :roll:
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That would really suck for all of us here that got rid of most of our backlog if those games are on that list. I'm about to go back later to do another set of 7 games, making it my 3rd set.
 
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Deader2818 said:
360:

Left 4 Dead - $8

PS3

The Last of Us - $26
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Love that Last of Us value hopefully my local GS does the 50% this weekend again would love to get rid of that for $41 that'll get me another $100 in credit. I need to get a $15 or less sale on L4D that way I can pm the walmart that has a huge stack of them.

Cuksis said:
Traded in another 21 games today on 3 separate transactions. Total came to $211.15 with the $35 promos and PUR. That's a two day total of $644.65!
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Well at this pace you'll have no issue getting both a PS4 & Xbox One or getting just one w/all the extras.

 
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6/18/13

:360:

Tenchu Z - $3

Portal 2- $15

Jurassic The Hunted - $7.50

Left 4 Dead - $8

Far Cry 3 - $13

Binary Domain - $4

:wii:

House of the Dead Overkill - $5

 
Just traded a six axis controller at GameStop for $30.... They initially said it was $17, but then I showed them their website which shows $22... Then 10% power up bonus, then 30% tradein deal for grand theft auto v preorder.....pretty sweet for a crappy controller I bought used for $10 off eBay
 
Is anyone having issues with their trade-in's registering on the PUR website? I've traded in two sets now, and they have yet to show up on my activity list even though it's been 4 days. The receipts show them as "Pre-owned Total / Refund Due" which I can't remember if that's what it normally says. I guess a call is in order

 
Alright heres my list of values.

Wii U Remote Plus 3x 14.00$

PS3 Dualshock 3 Controller 18.00$

Xbox 360 Wired Headset 3.50$

Xbox 360 Slim 320GB 140$

PS3

WWE 13 15$

Saints Row The Third Full Package 15$

DS

Mario Party 9$

3DS

Rabbids Travel in Time 3.50$

Came out to a total of 380$. Pretty damn happy considering my cousin just gave me all those controllers and most of those games (Excluding Saints Row). Put 100$ on my PS4, paid off 4 games releasing in the next month, and pre-ordered like 4 more games. (Including GTAV CE)

Pretty crazy how many people seem to be getting rid of Xbox's, not sure if people are THAT hype about next gen, or if they are all SDers/CAGers lol. 2 people were in line on my first trip, and when I came back to pre-order 2 more games I saw another guy trading in one.

 
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