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[quote name='kainzero']nah, incorrect

if they do j.hk - c.mk - fireball with combo-like timing, you can't 360 them in the middle.

if they're slow on the c.mk then yeah you can.

the one thing i'm really confused about is using an FA for AA. sometimes it hits, sometimes it doesn't? can it be jabbed out of on a blocked roundhouse or something?[/QUOTE]
Well, so far I only have experience with charge characters. But in SF4, can't you mash out special moves? (i.e. do the SPD motion while being hit, or SRK repeatedly) If they are doing a combo, of course you can't grab after the jump in heavy kick since you'll remain in block stun. But if they don't link a combo, the special can come out. I personally hate this aspect of the game (i really hate anything where mashing buttons comes into play).

I guess a good way to go against the jump in heavy kick, you can anticipate and catch them in the air before they release the attack. Then hopefully the other person will have to guess whether or not to release their kick earlier in the air or later. If they release to early you can punish them when they land. If they release too late, you can anticipate and catch em in the air before they release their attack.

Sure it becomes a guessing game, but at least the opponent doesn't always know you'll just be taking the jump in heavy on the ground.

And I believe gief can use his lariat as anti air, especially when used late (when the opponent is right next to you).
 
I suppose if you have meter to burn, you can block the jump kick, and turn it into an EX Powerbomb, that way the armor would suck up the low medium. That's if you have meter to use, though.

Almost done with the normal time trials. I think it was #18, but whichever number it was, it was a fucking liar. It said that I had unlimited SC, but apparently I don't, and instead, I can't block. So I figure, "well if I can't block, I might as well use someone with nice damage." And for some reason, Zangief popped into my head, so I decided to use him for the first time. Didn't do too badly, and I realized he's actually pretty fun. I ain't gonna use him as a new main (or even a third), but for friendlies or something, it's nice to know I can just use him for giggles.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Man I got dominated by this guy last night in a player room who used Ken every time. It bugs me how powerful the dragon punch is... I know I just gotta adjust my play style and be more patient and defensive, but it just seems like the Dragon Punch is the "right answer" in TOO many situations, know what I mean?

At least he wasn't a jumpkick/sweep scrub and could actually use the dragon punch effectively... but it bugs me (in any fighting game) when I use a different character in every match, and the other guy ALWAYS uses the same guy. I know I could just switch rooms but I was getting more and more motivated to try and beat the guy. :p[/quote]
The DP is the wrong answer in too many situations.

In SF2 you can get away with spamming a Ken jab DP because it has decent range and it was only vulnerable on the top of his head, and you don't have to worry about any huge ground combos because there aren't any. And the recovery was great. Usually you had to worry about people with powerful throw games and then you can easily tone yourself down once people get in the habit of throwing.

In SF4, the range is reduced, the recovery extended, and strong ground combos make it hard to DP spam. What does make it more effective is the easy input and the reversal timing window. You can literally df, df+P almost any time in the middle of a link combo and if they mess up they'll eat a DP (which isn't as bad as eating a 360, also insanely easy).

So here's what you do and do not do.
1: Don't jump when you can be DPed.
-Feel free to jump over fireballs but DON'T jump in a free situation. Well this is applicable to every character since you should be anti-aired all the time on a free jump.
2: Don't do any low reward or high risk link combos.
-Rapid fire jabs and shorts do piss poor damage so don't do them unless you're going for a tick throw. If you can't hit a link 90% of the time don't do it, and make sure you remember that you're playing online. I will not do Sak's c.lp - c.mk link online but I will offline.
3: Use your instinct to determine when he's gonna DP
-I can usually tell when someone's going to attempt DPing. For example, if I anti-air Ken and walk right next to him, will he DP? You should be able to figure out based on your opponent's play style and it shouldn't take long. You can also use this intuition in any sort of situation, like wake ups, after he blocks a poke, after you block a poke or a sweep, etc.
How do you figure this out? A lot of people have a rhythm and a skill level. You put the two together. You can even figure out when people have learned and exploit them on that.
4: Punish the DP with everything you've got
-If you want to tell them not to do it, you better be able to punish it. I play Sakura so I get C.HP - EX Tatsu - (reset option, Ultra, DP+K). I don't know who you play so I can't tell you but make sure you do a ton of damage EVERY TIME they deserve to be punished. Learn whatever it is you need to learn, where it's something simple like Viper's C.MK - MP knuckle or her C.FP - EX Seismo - HJC MK kick.
 
hmm I should have clarified that that those matches (and subsequent DP opinions) were from a SF2 session (HD Remix) :D

but I ain't crazy about the DP's in SFIV either, so I will certainly take your advice to heart when I'm playing that!
 
[quote name='Arikado']I already took DMK to Zangief school, don't worry. ;)

Jim, you gonna be on in around 30 minutes?[/QUOTE]

Man, we always miss each other for whatever reason. I probably won't be on the rest of today because i have a bunch of school work, but I should be around tomorrow from like 3:30 - 5 PM EST.

I just got to 3000 BP today... how come everyone was lusting after in the SF4 board? I figured it would be an achievement or at least an icon / title. Surprised.

Also, I can't tell if I'm getting any better at 4. :cry:
 
I got my SF IV posters in from Hong Kong today! I just framed them too with some cheap $12 frames from Walgreens (it does the job). Anyways I think they look great. The only thing I hate is that they say XBOX 360 on them.

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I just had a fucking blast with game night at UMBC! About 40 SFIV players on 4 TV's. Also had Guilty Gear Accent Core, KOF2002UM, and a bunch of other shit. My girl was there, one of my good friends was there, and about 10 people I met at Round 1 and Round 2. It was awesome!! I got a few slick win streaks going but there were about 3 or 4 people that were leagues better than me. And to top it all off I come to find a shipping confirmation from amazon. TE stick should be here by Friday it seems. :D
 
hey guys i am trying out GGPO on my PC for the first time, but for some reason my HRAP3 wont work with it.

any ideas? my drivers installed fine and i can test it with the default windows hardware test, but when i try to change to map the buttons on GGPO, it doesnt work.

GGPO works fine with my keyboard though.


tried googling this and lookin at the GGPO boards with no avail.
 
GG operation Ivy. I wanted to play more but I was hungry...

that first match where I chose Ryu was brutal! I havent played him in so long that I drew a blank lol.

Bison's always a hard match for me, my 2nd hardest with Blanka rite next to Honda.

gotta struggle to win dat shyt.
 
[quote name='DarthPuma']Go get x padder.[/QUOTE]

I needed to use X Padder with my HRAP EX, since the 360 pad driver makes the Dpad/stick a hat switch, and some programs don't let you use a hat switch for inputs.
 
i love it when SF4 is like

YEAH I KNOW YOU WANT TO DO EX SHOOHKEN REVERSAL AND BLOCK IF YOU DON'T GET IT OFF BUT LET'S NOT GIVE YOU EITHER
 
[quote name='kainzero']i love it when SF4 is like

YEAH I KNOW YOU WANT TO DO EX SHOOHKEN REVERSAL AND BLOCK IF YOU DON'T GET IT OFF BUT LET'S NOT GIVE YOU EITHER[/quote]I also like it when the shortcut input fucks up your ultra attempt.

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GGs, gigan. :/ There need to be more match vids of Rose, so I can get stuff to use against Rog and Honda. :rofl: at the Rog vs Rose match, when you did your ultra one round then the super the next round and ate a shamWOW.
 
[quote name='Mr. Anderson']Haha, there is no mention of Street Fighter III anywhere on that box, Phrost.[/quote]

Maybe for them Street Fighter vs. SNK = SFIII?
 
[quote name='Mr. Anderson']Haha, there is no mention of Street Fighter III anywhere on that box, Phrost.[/quote]

Capcom does not like to acknowledge that SF3 ever happened since Casuals did not like it.
 
[quote name='SmallWind']I also like it when the shortcut input fucks up your ultra attempt.

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GGs, gigan. :/ There need to be more match vids of Rose, so I can get stuff to use against Rog and Honda. :rofl: at the Rog vs Rose match, when you did your ultra one round then the super the next round and ate a shamWOW.[/QUOTE]

haha yeah, i was all like WTF?! the first time and the second time... well i had no excuses. lol.

el fuerte is really hard to use. I still haven't gotten used to him yet. it's really an uphill battle with him for just about every match. i was in shock when i won with him the first time;)
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']Capcom does not like to acknowledge that SF3 ever happened since Casuals did not like it.[/quote]
I don't think casuals liked SF: The Movie game either but that still garnered a mention.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']hmm I should have clarified that that those matches (and subsequent DP opinions) were from a SF2 session (HD Remix) :D

but I ain't crazy about the DP's in SFIV either, so I will certainly take your advice to heart when I'm playing that![/quote]
I play Ken in HD, so here's what stops me from throwing out random DPs.

1: Play with an irregular rhythm
A lot of people fall into the trap of poking whenever they can. I use that to determine when to DP. For example, a lot of Bisons will do C.MK until they get out of range, and then Scissors Kick (if they're somewhat good) or Psycho Crusher (if they're not) as soon as they can, so I DP that. A Guile walking behind a Sonic Boom will do something as soon as they're in range. Vary your rhythm so that you don't play into that and get into the habit of the shuffle where you walk back and forth repeatedly.
For that matter, try to bait wakeup DPs. DPs on block have very good recovery so you need to make it whiff completely, it is not uncommon to follow up blocked DP with another DP because it's safe on block. I generally do that because I don't wanna get thrown.

2: Don't jump unless you can crossup
Same SF4 advice applies, even more so in HD. Free jumps are death.

3: Throw ANY whiffed DPs
I tend to stop DP spam and start carefully using it once they start throwing every whiff. I especially become more careful if they have a good throw (like a 360, a multi-hit like blanka bite, or chun).

4: Some of it is just a mind game that you have to overcome.
Walk up DP is a technique I employ, but it's really tough execusion wise and mentally. I also use DPs to force a 50-50 with my tickthrow attempts. Reversal DP against a 360 tick is the only option to avoid getting thrown, which is why you vary how many jabs you do before a 360.

5: Ken's jab / fierce DP and all of Ryu's DPs are vulnerable at the head
What does this mean? It means that if you hit with an attack where the hit is on top of his head, you'll trade. It's how I remind myself to use strong DP against Ryu because his deep jump roundhouse trades with jab DP. You can try and exploit this to your advantage.
 
[quote name='kainzero']I don't think casuals liked SF: The Movie game either but that still garnered a mention.[/quote]

O yes they did.
Who doesnt love Kylie Minouge?
 
great tips kainzero. I definitely gotta up my crossup game and get a real handle on which moves cross up (I forget, do they cover that in the Anniversary guide?).
 
lol! saw this on SRK!!

[quote name='Monte']Hey guys, I love the podcast and I thought I'd use this opportunity to ask a question.

I grew up in a strict Mexican household and as such there were a lot of expectations placed upon me. Growing up and living up to those expectations was very tough but when I entered college I used my new found freedom to assert my independence and figure out what I wanted for myself. During this time I discovered Street Fighter and I instantly fell in love with the franchise and I got heavily into playing. However I am now done with college and I am back home while I'm looking for work. I've been secretly playing street fighter but I suspect my father is getting suspicious of my activities. How do I tell my strict Mexican father that I do not want to play King of Fighters like he did but would rather play Street Fighter games? I fear that telling him might crush him and I will be kicked out of the house and disowned. Please give me some advice on how to handle the situation. Thank you and keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]


and the followup.

[quote name='Monte']thanks for answering my question. I took Sanchez's advice and I sat my dad down and told him the truth. I was firm and stood my ground. I told him we're not in Mexico and I shouldn't have to play King of Fighters and I should be free to choose which fighting game franchises I want to play and free to control the joystick with my left hand if I so desired. He got very angry and said he raised me better than that and he wouldn't stand to have a Street Fighter player living under his roof. I told him I can't help it if I like Street Fighter, I was born that way and he is going to have to learn to accept it. My mother interrupted to calm my father down and she sat him back in his chair.

We both sat there silently and after about 10 minutes my father asked me if I was sure I really liked Street Fighter and I said that I indeed did and that would never change. He then said that he knows that I'm an adult now and I was bound to make a few choices on my own and even though he doesn't understand my decision that he will try to tolerate it. I told him that's all that I wanted and following Pherai's advice I asked him if he wanted to try CvS2. He said he would be willing and so we played for about 20 minutes when he said that the game is really boring and I replied that yeah I really hated that boring ass game too and we both had a good laugh from that. So it was a little rocky at first but I think we're going to be ok. Thanks again for the help guys! :tup:[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='JEKKI']lol! saw this on SRK!!




and the followup.[/quote]

This is HEROIC. Not because it's so funny, but because it's also very plausable. I know many Mexicans who play KOF using the right hand for the joystick and left hand for the buttons. Even more amusing is the strict KOF thing because that's really all they have in Mexico as it is THE fighting game there. One thing I do notice is that Mexican players tend to gravitate towards grapplers so I always face some fierce Mexican Zangiefs if they do indeed play SF.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Mexicans get taught how to play Clark before they can even walk.[/quote]

Hey that's a stereotype. You know damn well that Mexicans are taught to use Ramon and Daimon BEFORE Clark! :lol:
 
Dude, its all about 2k2 angel for Mexico.

I loved that find JEKKI! I played at a Mexican arcade once, I had no idea what to do because the stick was on the right, the Mexican kids mocked me.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']No joke, I played some dude from Mexico in KOF '98 on Kailera ages ago that was Daimon, Clark, and Shermie. He kicked my ass. :)[/quote]

You just made me sad. You brought back memories of me playing my friend at KOF 98 and he would always destroy me with that combo. I never beat him when he went full blast. Why must you make me remember Shermie? I hate that bitch. She doesn't even take a bath.

But He had a fucking annoying Daimon where he would literally grab you out of ANY move you would do.
 
Yep, that's how this dude rolled too. Daimon instagrab out of anything. Clark doing all of his fancy grabs and shit. And Shermie just killing me. She's such a dirty bitch. He went like 10 straight on me before I had enough. :)
 
you have no idea how true all of this is. I remember staying at my aunt's house who lives in tijuana and being dumbfounded by the arcade sticks. and the 'every mexican picks a grappler' thing is too true. hell, i use honda and he's a pseudo grappler.

i miss playing with daimon, angel and andy.... those were some fun times.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Yep, that's how this dude rolled too. Daimon instagrab out of anything. Clark doing all of his fancy grabs and shit. And Shermie just killing me. She's such a dirty bitch. He went like 10 straight on me before I had enough. :)[/quote]

I don't know what's worse. The Japanese scrubbing those Kyos/Ioris or the Mexicans ass raping with Daimon/Clark.

My friend was born with the Daimon/Clark skill though. I'm still wondering HOW he does those moves under complete stress like it's nothing.
 
Clark is beastly in 98'

Hell I'd pick him and I'm Asian :)

Angel 2K2 infinite= ROFLLLLL

EDIT: Someone hop on PSN and play SFIV. I'm tired of playing randoms.
 
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