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[quote name='Rodimus']$20 for Eternal Sonata is a fine price. But I agree with Chac, Lost Odyssey & ToV are better games.

I liked Blue Dragon more than ES. It was more polished. However I wasn't a big fan of the characters. My 360 JRPG flow chart would be:
ToV > LO > BD > ES

I haven't played Last Remnent or Infinate Undiscovery yet.[/quote]

Not missing much with the last two imho.. and i buy just about every RPG that comes out, On a side note i did not care for Eternal Sonata either.
 
[quote name='G33']I thought Eternal Sonata was interesting enough to spend the 40 or so hours I took to beat it. It was funny how when you beat a boss, they just...disappear. No dramatic dying speeches, no epic death scenes, they just die and that's it. Everyone treats them as if they never existed, and never speaks of them again.[/quote]

I did the extra dungeon which stacked on about 5 hours, that brought me at 50 hours. But the bosses just simply disappearing was odd. Like when you finally defeat the evil tiny emperor boy, who was built up a a pretty important villian, nothing really happens. The characters move to the next field with no character interaction, and little purpose. I felt the game could've ended there and it would make more sense.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']how good is the story in the new Culdcept 360 game?[/quote]

I haven't beat Culdcept yet and I am not sure where I left off because I got sidetracked whenever I was playing it. I should get back into playing it once I finish The Last Remnant.

From what I remember though the story is forgettable.

However, the game itself is kickass. Monopoly + Magic the Gathering = Amazing.

Well since I am already here, I guess I can talk about my experience with The Last Remnant so far. I like the battle system and some of the other quirks that sets the game apart from other RPGs. The story is not great, but so far that is mainly because the story is slow. The only real problems with the game are the framerate during battles and the texture loading.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Also Culdcept 360 has one of the cheapest, most cheating AIs I've ever seen.[/quote]

Haha, yeah I remember that now. They can be assholes. I had to do a couple missions over again because the AI had some "lucky" turns. I guess it is a testament to how awesome the game is though that I kept playing the missions over again if I lost.
 
I agree about the Eternal Sonata bosses. There was little rhyme or reason to why you're doing alot of stuff in the game. If it wasn't for the awesome graphics and music, the game would be a C- at best. At that point, you'd only have a decent battle system that gets very frustrating at times. It wasn't the moving command that ever tripped me up, it's the loose transistion between characters. Nothing dumber than letting me go over the clock with a special move certain times and then buffering it into the next character's turn so they start with a special move.
 
1. Culdcept has a pretty piss poor story. Dont expect soemthing out of a great RPG or some other AAA story telling. Both games stories are just there to give the player a reason to move forward.

2. Yes God damn the cheap A.I in the game. It really does purposely screw you over sometimes.
 
Yeah, Culdcept Saga have dreadful voice acting and story. But if your looking for a good strategy game with Monopoly and Magic the Gathering elements, it's the right game for you. It does suffer a lot pacing problem. Battles can sometimes drag too long; it can drag up to 2-3 hours if things don't go your way.

For me, I never had any problems with the AI. If you know how to play the game properly by using field advantage and equipment, and set expensive tolls near vital choke points of map you should be fine. You can use number dice cards to force your opponent to land on you territory.

The only part I could think that the AI is cheating is those free for all: three way matches with 2 computers(which account for over 50% story mission maps). AI would sometime gang up on you and start crippling your resources. They tend to do that to the person who holds the highest current score. Most of time I purposely place myself in second or third place to avoid that occurrence. But if your lucky(even if your first place), the AI can attack each other constantly ,and score yourself some easy victories.
 
[quote name='fatbeer']Yeah, Culdcept Saga have dreadful voice acting and story. But if your looking for a good strategy game with Monopoly and Magic the Gathering elements, it's the right game for you. It does suffer a lot pacing problem. Battles can sometimes drag too long; it can drag up to 2-3 hours if things don't go your way.

For me, I never had any problems with the AI. If you know how to play the game properly by using field advantage and equipment, and set expensive tolls near vital choke points of map you should be fine. You can use number dice cards to force your opponent to land on you territory.

The only part I could think that the AI is cheating is those free for all: three way matches with 2 computers(which account for over 50% story mission maps). AI would sometime gang up on you and start crippling your resources. They tend to do that to the person who holds the highest current score. Most of time I purposely place myself in second or third place to avoid that occurrence. But if your lucky(even if your first place), the AI can attack each other constantly ,and score yourself some easy victories.[/QUOTE]

Ya when I put the story down that was all I meant was negative the story. The game itself is freaking nirvana.
 
I've never played Culdcept but I'd find it kinda hard to really love a game if the story was just pooh.

I mean look at Xenosaga. Great concept. Good graphics. The story was just way too convoluted for me.

I know it's not a RPG but Metal Gear Solid is the number one offender. Everyone loves the series but the story is so crazy that it gets knocked down a notch in my opinion.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I've never played Culdcept but I'd find it kinda hard to really love a game if the story was just pooh.

I mean look at Xenosaga. Great concept. Good graphics. The story was just way too convoluted for me.

I know it's not a RPG but Metal Gear Solid is the number one offender. Everyone loves the series but the story is so crazy that it gets knocked down a notch in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Culdcept is like Mario though, faulting it for its story is just wrong. If you dont know what exactly culdcept is its like a virtual board game. You roll dice to move around a board, everytime you pass your castle you get some mana and the mana is spent to summon magical beasts or cast spells. The beasts work like monopoly property except when someone lands on your space instead of simply paying you they have the option to try and kill your monster.
 
I understand it's a virtual board game and that's another reason why I'm hesitant to try it. I like to play real board games with other people while I lean more toward the adventure, RPG, and FPS genres for video games.

Games like Culdcept seem to be the anthesis of what RPGs are all about.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I understand it's a virtual board game and that's another reason why I'm hesitant to try it. I like to play real board games with other people while I lean more toward the adventure, RPG, and FPS genres for video games.

Games like Culdcept seem to be the anthesis of what RPGs are all about.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm well I still say give the game a shot. I have yet to meet an RPGer that has played it and disliked it. Maybe your the exception to the rule, but even so worst comes to worse you trade the game and your out a buck or two.
 
So I finally started playing Final Fantasy IV on the DS since I coulndn't really pull myself to get passed the first ~30 minutes of the game. Enjoying it now, any tips for a first time play through?
 
[quote name='SL4IN']So I finally started playing Final Fantasy IV on the DS since I coulndn't really pull myself to get passed the first ~30 minutes of the game. Enjoying it now, any tips for a first time play through?[/QUOTE]

1. Dont get used to any charcter or invest too much in them. FFIV has charcters join and leave your party like no other!

2. There is a part where Cecil will be your only party member mid game. The next town you enter everyone will hate you. Shortly after you will get 2 characters. If you can guess that this is the part I am talking about level your party pretty well and make sure you have the best equipment and a healing/white rod if you can get one for your casters. The part thats coming up is difficult since most of the enemies are undead and Cecil will only do 1 damage to many of them.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']New Growlanser and a remake of the original Persona for the PSP.

http://kotaku.com/5145953/atlus-bringing-persona-and-growlanser-to-psp

If its a straight remake of the first Persona I am not interested. If its updated to have S.Links and the newer battle system then I am highly excited.[/quote]

The Growlanser is a port of the first game (with some added content), but not a new one or a remake. Chances are mild that it will get localized seeing as 2, 3, and the shitty 5 got localized here.

The Persona remake on the other hand, I think we'll see it localized.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Hopefully, that means Persona 2 will be right behind it.[/QUOTE]

I would be happy to see Persona 2 IS come out in any form. But I would KILL for Persona 2 EP to get a P3/4 styled remake.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I understand it's a virtual board game and that's another reason why I'm hesitant to try it. I like to play real board games with other people while I lean more toward the adventure, RPG, and FPS genres for video games.

Games like Culdcept seem to be the anthesis of what RPGs are all about.[/QUOTE]

It's pure crack. Just give into it already like all the Japanese gamers have learned already. Don't resist! It will only make it WORSE! ;)
 
[quote name='Draekon']The Growlanser is a port of the first game (with some added content), but not a new one or a remake. Chances are mild that it will get localized seeing as 2, 3, and the shitty 5 got localized here.

The Persona remake on the other hand, I think we'll see it localized.[/QUOTE]

Well we didnt get Growlanser 6, and I guess the poor sales of Growlanser V didnt help.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']2. There is a part where Cecil will be your only party member mid game. The next town you enter everyone will hate you. Shortly after you will get 2 characters. If you can guess that this is the part I am talking about level your party pretty well and make sure you have the best equipment and a healing/white rod if you can get one for your casters. The part thats coming up is difficult since most of the enemies are undead and Cecil will only do 1 damage to many of them.[/quote]
I didn't level up my guys and when I got to the dungeon I realized that I forgot to bring a Tent. I still beat the boss. =D
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']I would be happy to see Persona 2 IS come out in any form. But I would KILL for Persona 2 EP to get a P3/4 styled remake.[/QUOTE]


that's hella dumb, while we're at it let's remake Street Fighter II in the style of Final Fight.

and Innocent Sin DID come out in "any form"
 
[quote name='JEKKI']that's hella dumb, while we're at it let's remake Street Fighter II in the style of Final Fight.

and Innocent Sin DID come out in "any form"[/QUOTE]

Piss off. Why is it dumb? Just because you prefer P2 as is or some other stupid reason. No reason to be insulting and call it dumb. Guess what, most people prefer P3/4 style and most gamers seem to be pretty sick of the old school style of RPG. So remaking it in the new vein is brilliant not dumb.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Piss off. Why is it dumb? Just because you prefer P2 as is or some other stupid reason. No reason to be insulting and call it dumb. Guess what, most people prefer P3/4 style and most gamers seem to be pretty sick of the old school style of RPG. So remaking it in the new vein is brilliant not dumb.[/quote]

Cry Moar.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']Cry Moar.[/QUOTE]

Ermmmm again crying would be whining why my way is right or going on a rant. It aint worth it, just pointing out the simple facts.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Piss off. Why is it dumb? Just because you prefer P2 as is or some other stupid reason. No reason to be insulting and call it dumb. Guess what, most people prefer P3/4 style and most gamers seem to be pretty sick of the old school style of RPG. So remaking it in the new vein is brilliant not dumb.[/QUOTE]it's dumb becoz P2 and P3/4 are completely different games.

like I said, I wouldnt wanna remake Contra into Gears of War,

I wouldnt remake Starcraft into Halo,

etc. etc.

Turning P2 into a game of social links is miles away from a good idea becoz P2 already is a fantastic game.
 
[quote name='JEKKI']it's dumb becoz P2 and P3/4 are completely different games.

like I said, I wouldnt wanna remake Contra into Gears of War,

I wouldnt remake Starcraft into Halo,

etc. etc.

Turning P2 into a game of social links is miles away from a good idea becoz P2 already is a fantastic game.[/quote]

Maybe he meant just use the P3 engine to remake P2? I'm all about that (as long as they don't add random dungeons and social links).
 
[quote name='JEKKI']it's dumb becoz P2 and P3/4 are completely different games.

like I said, I wouldnt wanna remake Contra into Gears of War,

I wouldnt remake Starcraft into Halo,

etc. etc.

Turning P2 into a game of social links is miles away from a good idea becoz P2 already is a fantastic game.[/QUOTE]

It's dumb because your an ass that cant see that people can like things other then you. Like I said if you like it or not P3 and P4 have hit a larger audience partly because they updated the gameplay style of the games. P2 is already available as is and can be obtained fairly easy, its not that rare. Rereleasing the exact same game even if they updated the graphics would be stupid. However updating it with stuff like the social links and new Persona system would mean many old players like myself would go back and replay it, and it means the new school kids would too.

Also its extremely stupid to try and make it seem like its asking for remaking Starcraft into Halo thats not the case at all. Its like remaking Final Fantasy VII into Crisis Core an idea I have seen many reviewers and gamers mention. Its keeping things in the same genre and keeping the story and heart of the game the same just changing the style of the core game play to an updated and better mechanic. The game would remain the same just improved.
 
Ya just don't get it. To change the games to be like that, you'd have to basically make an entirely new game. It's not an update at that point, and it would have nothing in common with the original, which kinda defeats the purpose. And either way, you strike me as being the ass here, seeing as how clearly, people can't like things that you don't.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Ya just don't get it. To change the games to be like that, you'd have to basically make an entirely new game. It's not an update at that point, and it would have nothing in common with the original, which kinda defeats the purpose. And either way, you strike me as being the ass here, seeing as how clearly, people can't like things that you don't.[/QUOTE]

You can like stuff I dont, where the hell does that come from? I mean tons of people love MGS which I freaking LOATHE but I think its a quality game. Hell even if something was a crappy game I could give 2 squats less if someone likes it, enjoy what you enjoy bro. So again how am I being an ass when someone calls me stupid for wanting something other then what he does?

On the subject of remaking the game....ummm less you direct port it your going to be remaking the game. You will have to overhaul the graphics, re do some of the text and put a lot of work into it. If your putting a lot of work into a game then why not go ahead and go the extra mile to add s.links and other things that fans of the series have come to know it for? Anyways, done with this. Its starting to be a major time waste. Again like what you like, just dont say I am stupid for saying I would like to see a remake more in the vein of the newer personas which again almost everyone has agreed are superior.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']On the subject of remaking the game....ummm less you direct port it your going to be remaking the game. You will have to overhaul the graphics, re do some of the text and put a lot of work into it. If your putting a lot of work into a game then why not go ahead and go the extra mile to add s.links and other things that fans of the series have come to know it for? Anyways, done with this. Its starting to be a major time waste. Again like what you like, just dont say I am stupid for saying I would like to see a remake more in the vein of the newer personas which again almost everyone has agreed are superior.[/quote]
jekki can call your opinion stupid because he thinks your idea is stupid

if i think toyota should make a car that gets 2mpg because that's what i like and someone calls me stupid, it's fine because that's what i like?

on a more intellecutal level

-ff3 and ff4 got a complete overhaul, not everyone liked them. i dislike both of them.

-systems of one game don't necessarily translate into another even in the same series. materia system in ff6 would piss everyone off even though there are more ff7 fans, "better" mechanics are relative.

-p3 and p4 have different mechanics, yes they both have s.links but minor adjustments to the knockdown system and weakpoints, as well as how to get into combat can greatly affect the game. subtle changes can cause sweeping effects.

-ideas are a dime a dozen in the game industry, unless you're actually in a position of power it's pretty much useless to suggest anything except maybe balance changes. clamoring for a grand change won't do any good and is kinda wishy-washy

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you know what i hate in jrpgs

when they're clearly giving fanservice.
beach scenes and swimsuit tryouts. yeah really, wtf, way to derail the story with cheap sexual stimulation.

also, the random inclusion of supernatural in a normally serious game. i'm looking at you, valkyria chronicles and your lasers coming out of lances in a ww2 setting.
 
So lemme see if I got this straight. They want to remake P2 to have the same mechanics as P3/4? Wouldn't that alienate the people who already liked P2?
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']So lemme see if I got this straight. They want to remake P2 to have the same mechanics as P3/4? Wouldn't that alienate the people who already liked P2?[/QUOTE]

..because if you played/liked P2 that automatically means you can't/won't be able to play the remake?
 
I think they should remake Persona 2 where the entire game is beach scenes and swimsuit tryouts.

and with lasers coming out of lances in a ww2 setting.

omg that would be my dream game :drool:
 
All we need from P2 is the first part: Innocent Sin. They could implement a social link system and I don't think I would complain too much.

But it leaves me thinking how could this be done without changing the story/gameplay? If the answer is "we're switching it over to the daily calender system like in P3 & P4" then I'm against that. But if the S-Links were intergrated into the story, I can be more forgiving. As long as they add and don't take away.
 
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I'd just like to see every PS1 RPG ported to the PSP. They're damn near unplayable on a PS2 hooked up by component to an LCD.

Hell, I'd even take some of the SNES RPGs like Final Fantasy IV-VI, Chrono Trigger, etc. The PSP has become my go to for RPGs since I'm not as worried about burn in with it. It's much easier to replace a PSP than to replace a 32" LCD.

So, I'm getting copies of Final Fantasy I and Tales of the World off of Goozex. They were so cheap I had to try them. I'll eventually put them back on and get the second Star Ocean when it gets a bit cheaper.
 
I picked up Eternal Sonata. How long does this game take to beat? Are there lots of stuff you can miss? How many achievements can I get on just one play through?

I'm really loving Lost Odyssey. I'm on Disc 2 and I really digging the story.
 
[quote name='Blackout']I picked up Eternal Sonata. How long does this game take to beat? Are there lots of stuff you can miss? How many achievements can I get on just one play through?[/quote]

I checked my saved game, and I took 28.5 hours, finishing at level 77. This includes completing the bonus dungeon and obtaining the majority of the items (I skipped a few in the maze-like dungeon). There are several missables, but nothing that you can't get in your second playthrough. The only items I recommend using a guide to obtain are the music pieces, as it is a pain to find them yourself. You can get up to 340 achievement points on your first playthrough.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']All we need from P2 is the first part: Innocent Sin. They could implement a social link system and I don't think I would complain too much.

But it leaves me thinking how could this be done without changing the story/gameplay? If the answer is "we're switching it over to the daily calender system like in P3 & P4" then I'm against that. But if the S-Links were intergrated into the story, I can be more forgiving. As long as they add and don't take away.[/QUOTE]

P2 already sorta had social links with demons, since you could become friends with them and use that to get tarot cards and stuff like that... so they could maybe expand that, but I don't see how they could have P3/4-style social links since there's really not too many people in the game...
 
Eternal Sonata took me over 30 hours but my main three characters ended up near Lv. 100 by the end. I also picked up all 340 points from the first play through.

Anyone else think it's ridiculous to give so many achievement points just for getting the EZI items? Isn't it somewhere around 300?
 
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