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GAH! I still haven't gotten an answer. Is "Culdcept" for the DS worth it or what?! X-( I was hoping to game with some of you by it that way.
Oh and from the comments about Skies. If you know Japanese just buy the DC version. I've heard it's much raunchier then the U.S. DC version(I'm thinking Japanese "One Piece" to U.S. version). Oh and before you think you can just get the Japanese GC version and get it all don't. From what I've heard it was toned down just like the U.S. version so it's not worth buying.
Oh and from the comments about Skies. If you know Japanese just buy the DC version. I've heard it's much raunchier then the U.S. DC version(I'm thinking Japanese "One Piece" to U.S. version). Oh and before you think you can just get the Japanese GC version and get it all don't. From what I've heard it was toned down just like the U.S. version so it's not worth buying.
I doubt many people here will give their early impression on Culdcept DS, since it was never release in U.S and it doesn't seem very user friendly to American players(judging by screen shots).
The chances for that game being localize is pretty slim. Namco took a chance and the sale numbers are disappointing. The bad localization didn't help either. I doubt it's Japanese publisher, Sega, will bring this statewide. They published most Culdcept series in Japan, but in America they were published by different companies(NEC Interchannel for Culdcept for ps2 and Namco for Culdcept Saga).
The chances for that game being localize is pretty slim. Namco took a chance and the sale numbers are disappointing. The bad localization didn't help either. I doubt it's Japanese publisher, Sega, will bring this statewide. They published most Culdcept series in Japan, but in America they were published by different companies(NEC Interchannel for Culdcept for ps2 and Namco for Culdcept Saga).
ing CULDCEPT for the DS for crying out loud! 
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What kind of raunchy bits are in the Japanese version of Skies?
[quote name='Krymner']I think I'm also gonna wait on a price drop before getting DQV. I do believe Japan regards it as the best of the DQ series tho. I've just got so much of a backlog now and haven't had much time to play anything recently, that I'll just wait.[/QUOTE]
I am pretty sure that DQV was the one I enjoyed the most but cant recall since I haven't played it in years. With that said that is by no means a recommendation. Like every other DQ game its a bland outdated grind fest that I couldn't see playing unless I was looking for something with a story so cliched it could have been pulled from any 5 children s fairy tale book.
I am pretty sure that DQV was the one I enjoyed the most but cant recall since I haven't played it in years. With that said that is by no means a recommendation. Like every other DQ game its a bland outdated grind fest that I couldn't see playing unless I was looking for something with a story so cliched it could have been pulled from any 5 children s fairy tale book.
[quote name='Rodimus']Didn't know there were differences, but if there are I'd also like to know.[/quote]
According to one source:
Oh, and I really do prefer the US Gamecube cover art over all of the versions.
American DC
Japanese DC
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PAL Gamecube
According to one source:
And yeah, I've heard that the soundtrack is vastly superior in the DC version. The biggest plus for the Cube version tho is the extra content. And since I usually wind up playing my own music in the background when playing an old-school RPG like Skies, I'd rather have more content than music.
Oh, and I really do prefer the US Gamecube cover art over all of the versions.
American DC
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[quote name='MSI Magus']I am pretty sure that DQV was the one I enjoyed the most but cant recall since I haven't played it in years. With that said that is by no means a recommendation. Like every other DQ game its a bland outdated grind fest that I couldn't see playing unless I was looking for something with a story so cliched it could have been pulled from any 5 children s fairy tale book.[/quote]
*sigh*
the only grinding is done in the beginning, and i'm pretty sure they toned it down for dq5 on DS as they did with dq4.
and dq5's story is probably the most unique in the dq series. there are a lot of original twists in the story, and none are really atypical.
i'm also tired of people saying the battle system is dated. it's balanced, everything works and it offers a sufficient challenge without being clunky or broken.
*sigh*
the only grinding is done in the beginning, and i'm pretty sure they toned it down for dq5 on DS as they did with dq4.
and dq5's story is probably the most unique in the dq series. there are a lot of original twists in the story, and none are really atypical.
i'm also tired of people saying the battle system is dated. it's balanced, everything works and it offers a sufficient challenge without being clunky or broken.
[quote name='kainzero']*sigh*
the only grinding is done in the beginning, and i'm pretty sure they toned it down for dq5 on DS as they did with dq4.
and dq5's story is probably the most unique in the dq series. there are a lot of original twists in the story, and none are really atypical.
i'm also tired of people saying the battle system is dated. it's balanced, everything works and it offers a sufficient challenge without being clunky or broken.[/QUOTE]
Yatta yatta yatta. You say this every time DQ is released and its never true. And if they reduced grind then its not noticeable because I have read 2 reviews today alone that complained about the grind in the game. The only people that dont seem to notice a grind are the masochist DQ fans.
the only grinding is done in the beginning, and i'm pretty sure they toned it down for dq5 on DS as they did with dq4.
and dq5's story is probably the most unique in the dq series. there are a lot of original twists in the story, and none are really atypical.
i'm also tired of people saying the battle system is dated. it's balanced, everything works and it offers a sufficient challenge without being clunky or broken.[/QUOTE]
Yatta yatta yatta. You say this every time DQ is released and its never true. And if they reduced grind then its not noticeable because I have read 2 reviews today alone that complained about the grind in the game. The only people that dont seem to notice a grind are the masochist DQ fans.
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In DQ VIII they made you click 5+ times just to use or move an item, is the DS one better?
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Skies was pretty decent but I just don't have much time to delve into it right now. You guys can bid on my eBay copy along with Persona 1 
What's the overall opinion of The Last Remant here? I'm wondering if I should just wait for a PC version or it will do with the HD install?
Also is Infinite Undiscovery even worth $15?
What's the overall opinion of The Last Remant here? I'm wondering if I should just wait for a PC version or it will do with the HD install?
Also is Infinite Undiscovery even worth $15?
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[quote name='MSI Magus']Yatta yatta yatta. You say this every time DQ is released and its never true. And if they reduced grind then its not noticeable because I have read 2 reviews today alone that complained about the grind in the game. The only people that dont seem to notice a grind are the masochist DQ fans.[/quote]
the grind in the persona games is worse.
not only that but i seriously don't understand where this grinding factors in, just be smart with the game and you don't have to
if you wanna buy the top gear before you leave town then yes you have to grind but it's not necessary nor is it THAT useful
the grind in the persona games is worse.
not only that but i seriously don't understand where this grinding factors in, just be smart with the game and you don't have to
if you wanna buy the top gear before you leave town then yes you have to grind but it's not necessary nor is it THAT useful
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You're right about the grinding in P1-2 but in P3 and 4 you can just avoid battles if you want.
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[quote name='Monsta Mack']Skies was pretty decent but I just don't have much time to delve into it right now. You guys can bid on my eBay copy along with Persona 1
What's the overall opinion of The Last Remant here? I'm wondering if I should just wait for a PC version or it will do with the HD install?
Also is Infinite Undiscovery even worth $15?[/quote]
Wait for PC on TLR, it looks and runs so much nicer.
IU is terrible not worth a penny.
What's the overall opinion of The Last Remant here? I'm wondering if I should just wait for a PC version or it will do with the HD install?
Also is Infinite Undiscovery even worth $15?[/quote]
Wait for PC on TLR, it looks and runs so much nicer.
IU is terrible not worth a penny.
[quote name='kainzero']the grind in the persona games is worse.
not only that but i seriously don't understand where this grinding factors in, just be smart with the game and you don't have to
if you wanna buy the top gear before you leave town then yes you have to grind but it's not necessary nor is it THAT useful[/QUOTE]
The Grind in Persona is indeed high, far too high for my liking and its something that has almost stopped me from playing the series. That said it is still nowhere near as bad as DQ which I have found to be like twice as much grinding and far more deaths. Even if that wasnt the case though atleast Persona has interesting and unique stories to keep you compelled vs save the princess turned into an animal by an evil spell caster and the other fairy tale reject stuff out of DQ. Then there is the S.Links which i think I enjoy as much as the story and would wage a fair bet others do too.
Edit - And did you ever think that maybe your just great at DQ? Different people have different games that they kick ass at and dont need to grind as much as others. Everyone I know bitches about the grinding in DQ and I cant even count anymore how many people I know that gave up on that series because of it. So maybe you are just really good at it and dont need to grind? Personally a good example with me is Diablo 2. I was so good at it that I beat 2 of my friends at once that were 20 levels above me with only my bow and rings equipped........but I would be no means say this means others should be able to do this. People are just good at different games.
not only that but i seriously don't understand where this grinding factors in, just be smart with the game and you don't have to
if you wanna buy the top gear before you leave town then yes you have to grind but it's not necessary nor is it THAT useful[/QUOTE]
The Grind in Persona is indeed high, far too high for my liking and its something that has almost stopped me from playing the series. That said it is still nowhere near as bad as DQ which I have found to be like twice as much grinding and far more deaths. Even if that wasnt the case though atleast Persona has interesting and unique stories to keep you compelled vs save the princess turned into an animal by an evil spell caster and the other fairy tale reject stuff out of DQ. Then there is the S.Links which i think I enjoy as much as the story and would wage a fair bet others do too.
Edit - And did you ever think that maybe your just great at DQ? Different people have different games that they kick ass at and dont need to grind as much as others. Everyone I know bitches about the grinding in DQ and I cant even count anymore how many people I know that gave up on that series because of it. So maybe you are just really good at it and dont need to grind? Personally a good example with me is Diablo 2. I was so good at it that I beat 2 of my friends at once that were 20 levels above me with only my bow and rings equipped........but I would be no means say this means others should be able to do this. People are just good at different games.
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Persona 2 had a ridiculous amount of random battles but for some reason I still had to grind a little to get through a couple areas. The Joker fight at the TV Studio was one.
[quote name='depascal22']Persona 2 had a ridiculous amount of random battles but for some reason I still had to grind a little to get through a couple areas. The Joker fight at the TV Studio was one.[/QUOTE]
That boss was a bitch. Really tough.
I didn't there were all that many random encounters in Persona 2, though... not any more than a normal RPG, at least.
Such a good game.
That boss was a bitch. Really tough.
I didn't there were all that many random encounters in Persona 2, though... not any more than a normal RPG, at least.
Such a good game.
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[quote name='MSI Magus']The Grind in Persona is indeed high, far too high for my liking and its something that has almost stopped me from playing the series. That said it is still nowhere near as bad as DQ which I have found to be like twice as much grinding and far more deaths. Even if that wasnt the case though atleast Persona has interesting and unique stories to keep you compelled vs save the princess turned into an animal by an evil spell caster and the other fairy tale reject stuff out of DQ. Then there is the S.Links which i think I enjoy as much as the story and would wage a fair bet others do too.
Edit - And did you ever think that maybe your just great at DQ? Different people have different games that they kick ass at and dont need to grind as much as others. Everyone I know bitches about the grinding in DQ and I cant even count anymore how many people I know that gave up on that series because of it. So maybe you are just really good at it and dont need to grind? Personally a good example with me is Diablo 2. I was so good at it that I beat 2 of my friends at once that were 20 levels above me with only my bow and rings equipped........but I would be no means say this means others should be able to do this. People are just good at different games.[/quote]
When you die in Persona in a random battle, you just lost hours of your life to a game over. In DQ, you just lose half your gold. Also in DQ, the dungeons are fairly straightforward and relatively quick to get through, I got tired of climbing 10 floors in Persona 4, or repeating dungeons to finish quests. The grinding is the same if not more so in P3 / P4, plus the battles are longer in Persona.
Nothing wrong with "fairy tale stuff." It's presented in a classic mythological fashion. There's a reason that stuff has persisted since ancient Greece and how you can find analogous stories in any religion in any culture... except it's a lot easier to digest with modern language. I can point out a similar amount of cliches in JRPGs, whether they are classic or modern doesn't really matter.
I'm not exactly talented at DQ. It's not a difficult game. People are just used to save points and full restorations before bosses and buying top-tier equipment as soon as they enter a town. Learning how to correctly ration MP in a dungeon and upgrading equipment as you go along doesn't take a lot of skill or talent, but you do have to think.
willardhaven: Ironically, the interface in DQ8 was redesigned for the US release and I thought it was a lot slower than it should've been. All the old DQs use the classic interface and the menu is easier to navigate but you still gotta click 5 times to use an item.
Edit - And did you ever think that maybe your just great at DQ? Different people have different games that they kick ass at and dont need to grind as much as others. Everyone I know bitches about the grinding in DQ and I cant even count anymore how many people I know that gave up on that series because of it. So maybe you are just really good at it and dont need to grind? Personally a good example with me is Diablo 2. I was so good at it that I beat 2 of my friends at once that were 20 levels above me with only my bow and rings equipped........but I would be no means say this means others should be able to do this. People are just good at different games.[/quote]
When you die in Persona in a random battle, you just lost hours of your life to a game over. In DQ, you just lose half your gold. Also in DQ, the dungeons are fairly straightforward and relatively quick to get through, I got tired of climbing 10 floors in Persona 4, or repeating dungeons to finish quests. The grinding is the same if not more so in P3 / P4, plus the battles are longer in Persona.
Nothing wrong with "fairy tale stuff." It's presented in a classic mythological fashion. There's a reason that stuff has persisted since ancient Greece and how you can find analogous stories in any religion in any culture... except it's a lot easier to digest with modern language. I can point out a similar amount of cliches in JRPGs, whether they are classic or modern doesn't really matter.
I'm not exactly talented at DQ. It's not a difficult game. People are just used to save points and full restorations before bosses and buying top-tier equipment as soon as they enter a town. Learning how to correctly ration MP in a dungeon and upgrading equipment as you go along doesn't take a lot of skill or talent, but you do have to think.
willardhaven: Ironically, the interface in DQ8 was redesigned for the US release and I thought it was a lot slower than it should've been. All the old DQs use the classic interface and the menu is easier to navigate but you still gotta click 5 times to use an item.
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I just got a ToV guide from Half.com, now I need to find a copy of the game...
Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.
Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.
[quote name='willardhaven']I just got a ToV guide from Half.com, now I need to find a copy of the game...
Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.[/QUOTE]
problem is that the guide doesnt have any maps and doesnt cover a lot of the side quest so it is not that useful.
Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.[/QUOTE]
problem is that the guide doesnt have any maps and doesnt cover a lot of the side quest so it is not that useful.
Tales of Vesperia guide is horrible. It was missing maps, lots of extra content, and sidequests. Tales of Symphonia 2 guide is a piece junk as well. The only reason to buy these "Tales" guides is there potential value in near future. The three guides before it: Tales of Destiny 2, Tales of Abyss and Tales of Symphonia all went out of print and net a good value on Ebay.
[quote name='willardhaven']I just got a ToV guide from Half.com, now I need to find a copy of the game...
Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.[/quote]
FYI, the ToV guide was pennied at BB and GS. It's a decent-sized guide but one of the problems is that over half of the guide is mostly character/item/monster lists.
Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.[/quote]
FYI, the ToV guide was pennied at BB and GS. It's a decent-sized guide but one of the problems is that over half of the guide is mostly character/item/monster lists.
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[quote name='Chacrana']That boss was a bitch. Really tough.
I didn't there were all that many random encounters in Persona 2, though... not any more than a normal RPG, at least.
Such a good game.[/quote]
I guess the Tales series and Eternal Sonata spoiled me. I liked the option of fighting or sneaking through a place. There were very few places where you had to fight a monster (in ES) just because it was so narrow.
To me, there's nothing more frustrating than trying to find a nice place to save (not just any old place but some place where I can pick it up and not wander around for 30 minutes) and random battles keep popping up.
I didn't there were all that many random encounters in Persona 2, though... not any more than a normal RPG, at least.
Such a good game.[/quote]
I guess the Tales series and Eternal Sonata spoiled me. I liked the option of fighting or sneaking through a place. There were very few places where you had to fight a monster (in ES) just because it was so narrow.
To me, there's nothing more frustrating than trying to find a nice place to save (not just any old place but some place where I can pick it up and not wander around for 30 minutes) and random battles keep popping up.
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[quote name='emg28']FYI, the ToV guide was pennied at BB and GS. It's a decent-sized guide but one of the problems is that over half of the guide is mostly character/item/monster lists.[/quote]
I'm going to try and find it in-store, I bought it hastily online because Brady and Amazon told me it's probably out of print.
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To me, there's nothing more frustrating than trying to find a nice place to save (not just any old place but some place where I can pick it up and not wander around for 30 minutes) and random battles keep popping up.[/quote]
Wild ARMs 4 had a cool option which let you turn off encounters after reaching a save point. FF VIII had a junction ability which let you turn them all off also. Random encounters suck.
I'm going to try and find it in-store, I bought it hastily online because Brady and Amazon told me it's probably out of print.
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To me, there's nothing more frustrating than trying to find a nice place to save (not just any old place but some place where I can pick it up and not wander around for 30 minutes) and random battles keep popping up.[/quote]
Wild ARMs 4 had a cool option which let you turn off encounters after reaching a save point. FF VIII had a junction ability which let you turn them all off also. Random encounters suck.
Star Ocean 4 coming in the next couple days. Anyone getting it or got it already? I plan to Gamefly it first. If I like it I'll buy it from GF. Square/Enix hasn't been on my good list for a few years, plus I didn't like the previous SO. I'm not diving head first into this one. I'm not one to put much stock in Famitsu reviews but they seemed to favor it. If anyone's intersted here's their thoughts:
http://www.n4g.com/News-275269.aspx
http://www.n4g.com/News-275269.aspx
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I'll be ready for it in the fall, but I am looking forward to it. I just can't justify paying full price.
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Did you already finish Tales of Vesperia?
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What about Tales of the Abyss?
Have you beaten all the good PS2 RPGs as well?
I'm really impressed by anyone who has run out of good RPGs to play.
Have you beaten all the good PS2 RPGs as well?
I'm really impressed by anyone who has run out of good RPGs to play.
I've at least tried all the PS2 RPGs I'm interested in playing. The list of PS2 RPGs I've beatin really isn't impressivly long. There are a few RPGs I've always wanted to play & beat but they're on the rare side. (Panzer Dragoon Saga, Dragon Force, Tales of Destiny, Earthbound)
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It looks like we'll be getting that Persona 1 remake for the PSP in the US. Atlusi s saying sometime this year(Probably in the Fall).
[quote name='Chacrana']The bigger problem was that Persona 1 was just a bad game. Some interesting ideas, but it'd be awesome if they updated the crappy parts (like the first person dungeon crawling) to what P2 had.[/quote]
I never thought that it was a bad game, it just had too many ticks. If the loading times and translation are fixed then those are the biggest problems.
Unfortunately the first persona dungeons are intact. But I can tolerate them.
I never thought that it was a bad game, it just had too many ticks. If the loading times and translation are fixed then those are the biggest problems.
Unfortunately the first persona dungeons are intact. But I can tolerate them.
[quote name='Ryuukishi']Did I miss something-- Haven't they already revealed that this is a straight port of the PSX game with some new FMVs, just like the Final Fantasy Tactics port? Not sure why people are talking about it like it's a ground-up remake.[/QUOTE]
Oh, it's a remake: http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8981985&publicUserId=5379721
uhm.... well at least, more than FFT was.
Oh, it's a remake: http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8981985&publicUserId=5379721
uhm.... well at least, more than FFT was.
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[quote name='KingBroly']So I decided that after 2 years of not playing it, I'd play Final Fantasy 3 on my DS again. Yeah, not a smart move. So, after beating this
I'm told I need to go somewhere, but I don't know how to get there. Any help?[/quote]
i think
you have to go to some castle in a desert? in the south of the world map?
i never played ff3ds.
only ff3 nes.
btw ya'll need to get on DQ5 for DS. sadly the game is pretty short at around 15-20 hours but it's fun.
Skeleton boss in a tree
i think
you have to go to some castle in a desert? in the south of the world map?
i never played ff3ds.
only ff3 nes.
btw ya'll need to get on DQ5 for DS. sadly the game is pretty short at around 15-20 hours but it's fun.
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I'll give it a shot. That's what I hate about old RPG's, and they never seem to remedy this in future remakes. If I put it down for a few days/weeks/years time and come back to it, I'm completely lost and I'm wandering aimlessly for a long while. In fact, there are still a good portion of RPG's today that have this problem.
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