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[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I see mykes point about your methods. I think the easier to defend position is that games DONT MATTER until the hardware gets to certain price threshold, beyond which you are unable to make a value judgement for any number of games. Call it a personal mental block.

For instance: PS3 may have a great future lineup. However, its not worth it to me to pay more than X for it, under any circumstances.

Or I guess you could say that you buy your consoles on immediate lineup and not "potential"



My personal position is that I do not want industry trending towards any of the following: online multiplayer, hard drives in consoles, high definition, achievements, DLC and generally anything that raises dev costs unnecessarily (what I perceive to be unnecessary).

A gaming conservative, if you will.[/QUOTE]


how about controllers that require batteries [they constantly need change of batteries... AAA. AA. etc.] - [something that raises cost/spending for consumers] devs are going to make money, regardless of cost... consumers are going to lose money regardless.
 
[quote name='pbates86']I purchased a 360 at launch, then traded it in for a PS3 when it launched. My logic was that since I predominately play sports games, since PS3 is more powerful and the would look better, Ill get a PS3. I don't know if you remember but the 2 games that were for PS3 around launch were NBA 2k7 and Madden 07, both of which got slightly higher review scores than their 360 counterpart. Then the next year, suddenly everything FLIPS and the PS3 versions of almost every multi-platform game is the worst version. The reason I traded in the 360 for PS3 is the very reason I want a 360 again. I want to hold on to the PS3 but how much longer is it going to take developers to fully take advantage of PS3's hardware? And now with Halo 3 out and Mass Effect is coming soon, and my itch for a 360 grows. PS3 wise, the only games I see buying is Skate, Assassins Creed, and MAYBE Rachet & Clank (I've never played any of them). 2 of those games are also on 360. Skate has already gotten better reviews for 360, I'm curious to see if Assassin' Creed does also.

I love my PS3, but my patience it starting to run thin. Like the OP, I am getting worried that I picked the wrong "team". I did it before with the Sega Saturn. And Sega Dreamcast. I haven't even been played my PS3 in a while because I'm waiting for the Madden 08 that was ALREADY released on 360.[/QUOTE]



EA dropped the damn ball with their PS3 madden 08, and Nascar 08... but you see for NHL 08, FIFA 08, NBA live 08, they got it right... that's why no one's buying NBA live 08... EA hurt their own brand name with that mishap.
 
[quote name='dallow']Ironically, Peter Moore (now in charge of sports at EA) publicly stated that starting now, all 360 and PS3 games will be identical.[/QUOTE]



EA regardless who's in charge of sports at EA, has to get the PS3 version up to par, because it hurts them as a whole if its not up to par. All it does is give 2k games some life... and reduces sells of their products on PS3. EA has always been credited with being a good developer always getting the most out of the PS2 hardware, now [in some circles] they look like a bunch of lazy ass devs. Madden 08 ps3's framerate wasn't even the problem... 30fps can play much better than that B.S. they released for PS3. - edit - both versions 360 and ps3 had glitches, so its more than just getting the PS3 and 360 versions identical, EA needs to get the wax and put the polish on these games. Instead of holding up "oh we'll do better next year" sign.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']True. So it's just for rich game nerds, single people etc.

That's EXACTLY why it's in distant third place and likely to stay there.

The PS1 and PS2 were raging successes as they were the consoles for casual gamers, families of 4 etc. Everyone had the damn things. Now they've priced it out of most of their core market, and are left selling to tech nerds and hard core gamers with no lives and large expendable incomes.[/QUOTE]

Everyone has the damn things because they got them like 2 years ago. It's so early in the cycle that, by definition, only the early adopters have them. If you ask me, 360 games pretty much appeal to the core gamer, and not to many others. After Halo 3's hype dies down a bit, I really do expect the 360's sales to start reaching a critical mass and pretty much petering out. Can you think of any big, _MASS MARKET_ games coming for 360 now that Halo is out? Neither can I.

I really don't care who "wins"...competition is very good for all of us gamers, in that the prices drop quicker and the games get better :)
 
[quote name='pbates86']
I love my PS3, but my patience it starting to run thin. Like the OP, I am getting worried that I picked the wrong "team". I did it before with the Sega Saturn. And Sega Dreamcast. I haven't even been played my PS3 in a while because I'm waiting for the Madden 08 that was ALREADY released on 360.[/QUOTE]

If you can't find games to play on a Saturn or a Dreamcast, then you got way bigger problems than "picking the right team." :p
 
I'm so torn right now. I have $350 of trade in credit at Gamerush I was building up to buy a PS3 but now that I'm really thinking about it I think I probably won't ull the trigger now. I have a 360 and a Wii and honestly I don't play those enough as it is. I think If I buy a PS3 it will just be a pretty looking box in my entertainment center.

I kinda want to play MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet but other than that I think I'll play my 360 WAY more just by achievement points alone.

I suppose in short it isn't the cost that is keeping me from buying a PS3 but reather a lack or any true compelling reason to get one. At this point in my life my time is worth mroe than my money and I just don't see me getting a PS3 now.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I think dallow's point is that you have had dozens of post that are reiterations of the same idea over and over again: the PS3 is expensive.
[/quote]

Because people keep making the same dumbass counter arguments that it will sell at high prices once more games are out. It will sell more, but it's not going to challenge the Wii and 360 without severe price drops. It's not like the AAA games are going to stop coming out on those consoles as soon as the PS3 starts getting some more exclusives worth playing/buying the console for.


[quote name='mykevermin']
Yes, the PS3 has a high MSRP. Yes, the Wii and 360 are selling well compared to the PS3. But, given that the PS3 is on track to sell 11 million by March of 2008, given sales trends (which is 2-3 months earlier than the 360 did after its release), isn't it remarkably premature to revel in eulogizing, over and over and over and over, a system that *is* selling?[/QUOTE]


I've said throughout that the PS3 isn't dead. Just that it seems unlikely to challenge for the lead, and hard pressed to get even in 2nd place. Again, 360 and Wii sales aren't slowing down, and aren't likely to as they'll see price drops and expanding game libraries as well.

It's not eulogizing. I couldn't care less personally how many units of any console are sold. They're all just over priced hunks of plastic that play games. I have no loyalty to any of them.

But damn if it isn't fun riling up people pathetic enough to get upset over what someone says about their choice of overpriced hunk of plastic.
 
[quote name='n8n8baby']Everyone has the damn things because they got them like 2 years ago. It's so early in the cycle that, by definition, only the early adopters have them. If you ask me, 360 games pretty much appeal to the core gamer, and not to many others. After Halo 3's hype dies down a bit, I really do expect the 360's sales to start reaching a critical mass and pretty much petering out. Can you think of any big, _MASS MARKET_ games coming for 360 now that Halo is out? Neither can I.

I really don't care who "wins"...competition is very good for all of us gamers, in that the prices drop quicker and the games get better :)[/QUOTE]


Casual gamers will by a console for stuff like Madden, Guitar Hero, GTAIV, etc. which is multiplatform.

Many probably haven't bought a 360 or PS3 yet because of price. And it seems likely the 360 will get in their price sweet spot sooner than the PS3 will.

I know it's belaboring the price issue--but really that's the key to this gen's console war, and the key to sony's current downfall from being the market domination. Any video game business thread like this is going to spin circles on this price issue.

It is the main issue in the console war. All have their own good exclusives out or announced, so price is the main factor. Not to mention it affects future exclusives by shaping the market share through the first couple years of the war.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
But damn if it isn't fun riling up people pathetic enough to get upset over what someone says about their choice of overpriced hunk of plastic.[/QUOTE]


- Wii is overpriced piece of crap, [even at 249.99] that basically nickle and dime people to death with high priced controllers, and controllers that require batteries, batteries batteries. and to top it off, its getting ports of PS2 and DS games with Nintendo being the only one providing fresh IPs for the damn thing.

whewww.. that felt good!
 
[quote name='Thomas96']- Wii is overpriced piece of crap, [even at 249.99] that basically nickle and dime people to death with high priced controllers, and controllers that require batteries, batteries batteries. and to top it off, its getting ports of PS2 and DS games with Nintendo being the only one providing fresh IPs for the damn thing.

whewww.. that felt good![/QUOTE]

I own one, and couldn't agree with you more. It's been a gigantic let down for me thus far. Zelda and Metroid have been great, and Super Paper Mario was ok, but nothing else has been worth playing at all to me.

And Nintendo has driven me nuts with stuff like half assed online play, no HD, not being able to use the SD card for anything other than back ups and non-gaming crap (mp3s and photos), the controller prices etc.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Casual gamers will by a console for stuff like Madden, Guitar Hero, GTAIV, etc. which is multiplatform.

Many probably haven't bought a 360 or PS3 yet because of price. And it seems likely the 360 will get in their price sweet spot sooner than the PS3 will.

I know it's belaboring the price issue--but really that's the key to this gen's console war, and the key to sony's current downfall from being the market domination. Any video game business thread like this is going to spin circles on this price issue.

It is the main issue in the console war. All have their own good exclusives out or announced, so price is the main factor. Not to mention it affects future exclusives by shaping the market share through the first couple years of the war.[/QUOTE]

Fair point, but it's a very US-centric point of view. What machine(s) are the Japanese mass market games coming for? I would say the DS and, to a lesser extent, the Wii. What machine(s) are the Japanese core gamer-type games coming for? Either PS3 or PS3/360. Do people really make a decision based on price when the prices are, say, $199 and $149? If they did, the Gamecube probably would've fared a lot better.

OK I'm officially done with this thread :)
 
[quote name='n8n8baby']Fair point, but it's a very US-centric point of view. What machine(s) are the Japanese mass market games coming for? I would say the DS and, to a lesser extent, the Wii. What machine(s) are the Japanese core gamer-type games coming for? Either PS3 or PS3/360. Do people really make a decision based on price when the prices are, say, $199 and $149? If they did, the Gamecube probably would've fared a lot better.

OK I'm officially done with this thread :)[/QUOTE]


Not sure about the latter, with stuff like DQIX--arguably the biggest core series in Japan--going to the DS.

And you're right price doesn't matter much when it's $199 vs. $149. It matters when it's $599 vs $349 vs $249.

The factor when buying a console (for non fanboys who just buy out of loyalty) is a combination of price and games. When the price gap is this wide, it has more weight. If it's closer, the games have a chance to win people over despite the higher price.

Right now the PS3 has been struggling due both to having a much higher price and to having a weak lineup of exclusives thus far.

If they want to get back in it they need to keep their price within $50 of the 360 AND get the big exclusives (namely MGS4 and FFXIII) out ASAP.
 
[quote name='pbates86']I don't know if you remember but the 2 games that were for PS3 around launch were NBA 2k7 and Madden 07, both of which got slightly higher review scores than their 360 counterpart. [/QUOTE]

Not true. No game that I'm aware of on both platforms has ever scored higher on the PS3. I think Oblivion comes the closest, but the 360 still edges it out by a point on both gamerankings and metacritic.

Here are your two games:

NBA 2K7 on gamerankings:
Xbox 360 - 84.9%
PS3 - 81.3%

NBA 2K7 on metacritic:
Xbox 360 - 84
PS3 - 80

Madden 07 on gamerankings:
Xbox 360 - 80.7%
PS3 - 77.9%

Madden 07 on metacritic:
Xbox 360 - 80
PS3 - 76
 
I honestly bought the PS3 for FFXIII and most of Sony's first paty games... Not really a fan of FPS, and the 360 seems to have a torrent of those games on their system.
 
While I enjoy my PS3, if I had to choose one it would be the 360. Overall I believe it's a better system.
 
It's not like price hasn't been an issue in the past.

(going way back here):
Mattel's Intellivision was released at $299. That's in 1980 dollars.

It was 2x the price of the Atari 2600. I think the 2600 was $150 at the time (originally released at $199, I believe).

It never became a leader over the 2600 by numbers sold but it did pretty well on it's own. People bought it, though, because there were new/interesting/good looking (mainly sports) games for it.

I'm just saying there's a little more to it than, "No one will buy it except for the super rich because it's too expensive." If the games come out for it, people will buy it, even if it is expensive, to play the games. As people buy it and time passes the price will drop. Even people who don't have a lot of extra cash laying around will pick it up if they see value in it (the games).

There's just more to it than, "It's priced too high!"
 
[quote name='Brad Bishop']
There's just more to it than, "It's priced too high!"[/QUOTE]

In the long run. Most definitely as prices will drop and games will be released.

But priced high is pretty much the story of it lagging in 3rd place now and not racing to the lead like the PS1 and PS2.

And it is the story of why it has no real chance to be the number 1 seller when this gen is said and done do to the whole the price has dug this first year.

It's not doom and gloom. It will pick up, sell better, get some great games and be a solid console for 100% sure.

It just won't be the top seller or have the most exclusives like it's predecessor.

But it's still a very worthwhile console, and will have some killer games down the road.

If I had to offer a prediction, by the end of this generation it will finish just a tad behind the 360 in sales, with both lagging a good deal behind the Wii which is just an unstoppable phenomenon worldwide for whatever reason.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Because people keep making the same dumbass counter arguments that it will sell at high prices once more games are out. It will sell more, but it's not going to challenge the Wii and 360 without severe price drops. It's not like the AAA games are going to stop coming out on those consoles as soon as the PS3 starts getting some more exclusives worth playing/buying the console for.[/quote]

Skimming over the past few pages, I don't see people making that argument. I see people justifying the gamble (dallow's phrase) that Sony took incorporating BR into the system; I see folks discussing cable boxes and analog/digital signals, I see a late night revelry of stupidity (in which I am proud to have taken part).

I don't see your straw men. Well, I see the ones you're *making,* but not the arguments being made by other people as you claim. I see absurd comments like "it's not going to challenge the Wii and 360 without severe price drops." Well, of course it isn't, first and foremost; second, you say this as if the PS3 will remain $500 for the lifespan of the console, which if, of course, absurd and untrue. The price will drop, the price may drop to $400 for Christmastime (there are ample rumors and lack of Sony denial that seem to corroborate that)...so what's your point about price again? It ain't static, darlin'. It never was intended to be.

As for exclusives...

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sigh. You know what? I give up with y'all "PS3 has no games worth playing" people. You're guided by this delusional idea that ignores that PS3 has dozens of multiplatform games that we all play (it's not all about exclusives); you're guided by the delusional idea that there are zero exclusive titles coming out (forget Heavenly Sword/Eye of Judgment/Ratchet and Clank/Uncharted/Unreal Tournament III/Haze/Folklore/Hot Shots Golf, all coming before November, give or take 1 or 2).

So many "PS3 has no games" arguers seem to stand on a pedestal that says "PS3 doesn't have GoW/Halo/Bioshock!!!" Ok, that's true, and those are three incredible games. But, they are three incredible games of the same genre, and they are really just three games. The 360 has a number of very good exclusives, but I'm quite frankly tired of this self-blinding and willfully ignorant "PS3 has no games" bullshit.

I'm going to go enjoy a bout of Tekken Online; you may have VF5 on the 360 as an exclusive, but...y'know, it was out on PS3 first, so that makes it not a game. So...yeah.

I've said throughout that the PS3 isn't dead. Just that it seems unlikely to challenge for the lead, and hard pressed to get even in 2nd place. Again, 360 and Wii sales aren't slowing down, and aren't likely to as they'll see price drops and expanding game libraries as well.
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Man, I really wish that Sony would plan on dropping the price of the PS3 and expanding their game libraries. But, since they must not be doing any of those, ever, in the future, guess I'm just fucked, then.

It's not eulogizing. I couldn't care less personally how many units of any console are sold. They're all just over priced hunks of plastic that play games. I have no loyalty to any of them.

But damn if it isn't fun riling up people pathetic enough to get upset over what someone says about their choice of overpriced hunk of plastic.
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If that's how you get your kicks, hombre, that's how you get your kicks. It's disappointing and makes me lose faith in humanity, but, hey, it's still how you get your kicks.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Skimming over the past few pages, I don't see people making that argument. [/quote]

Was talking about posts like this saying it can get right back in the race despite being priced too high to sell to families of 4 etc. (i.e. casual gamers who were the bread and butter of the PS1 and PS2's success).

[quote name='Brad Bishop']I'm not talking about the folks who look at the $100 PS/2 and it's a stretch for their budget. I'm talking about the gamers who, given the situation of the 'must play' game, will spend gobs of money to be able to play that game.

It used to happen more frequently on the PCs than consoles but I can't say it's happened recently anywhere. I just remember guys buying new PCs or upgrading their current ones (spending hundreds on a video card, for example) just so that they met the specs for some latest/hot game. I think those folks, given some 'must have' game, would spend the bucks. Maybe not the audience of cheap-ass gamer, but those hard-core types are pretty numerous. I think they've also been starving for a good / original game.

For the family of 4 working through their budget each month to make sure there's food on the table - the PS3 isn't for them.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='mykevermin']
As for exclusives...

sigh. You know what? I give up with y'all "PS3 has no games worth playing" people. You're guided by this delusional idea that ignores that PS3 has dozens of multiplatform games that we all play (it's not all about exclusives);

Man, I really wish that Sony would plan on dropping the price of the PS3 and expanding their game libraries. But, since they must not be doing any of those, ever, in the future, guess I'm just fucked, then.
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1. It's is only exclusives when deciding which of 2 consoles two buy. Mutliplatform games I can get on either the 360 or PS3 so it's the exclusives (and price difference) that will determine which I buy when I decide to get a 2nd console this gen. Even moreso when every multiplatform game thus far has been reviewed higher on the 360--see Corvin's post and check the game ranking sites for yourself.

2. See my post above. I said sony isn't dead, they'll drop price and get some killer system seller exclusives out. IMO it will just be too late for them to have any chance of catching Nintendo, and probably too late to totally catch up to MS. Though they should come close to catching MS by this gens end.


[quote name='mykevermin']
If that's how you get your kicks, hombre, that's how you get your kicks. It's disappointing and makes me lose faith in humanity, but, hey, it's still how you get your kicks.[/QUOTE]

Have to get through my days at my boring, but well paying, desk job some how. :D

I lose faith in humanity everytime I set foot in a game store or log onto a gaming forum, just can't resist the urge toss some flamebate at the fanboy losers every now and then. That's about the only contribution low lifes can make to normal members of society.

Still can't fathom why people get so riled up over some random asshole on the internet's (like myself) opinion of their game playing hunk of plastic and the company that makes us. Just completely dumbfounding to me. They all exist to charge us more than stuff should cost to line their own pockets.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']My point on the first was just that the switchover won't help sell HDTVs, since not many people (even poor) use solely over the air. Most people have cable--even the super poor as most counties require the cable company to offer some super cheap package of 20 or so channels (it's around $15 where I live).

As for the latter, again, I was off but that just furthers that the switch will have little effect on HDTV sales.

Adoption is going slow. It's speeding up, but doesn't change the fact that HD DVD and BR launched way to soon to be successful in selling to anyone other than the videophile nerds.[/quote]
Ah, in my zeal to correct your errors, I missed the whold point of your argument. ;) I agree that the digital switch will do little to speed adoption of HDTV, and that it's going slow. The latest numbers I've seen were from the beginning of this year, and they showed that only 17% of US households had HDTVs; many of the current sales are coming from wealthier households buying more than one HDTV (for the bedroom, etc).

Most people I know are clueless about HD or don't really care; I know a few who just finally got DVD players in the last year. Video game enthusiasts tend to forget that they're in the minority in terms of electronics spending habits. Most people just want to watch TV and an occasional movie at home.
 
[quote name='elmyra']
Most people I know are clueless about HD or don't really care; I know a few who just finally got DVD players in the last year. Video game enthusiasts tend to forget that they're in the minority in terms of electronics spending habits. Most people just want to watch TV and an occasional movie at home.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I't's not just gamers, but internet boards in general are going to skew toward tech savy early adopter types. If someone is online and posting on the internet, they're going to be more electronically inclined than joe six pack in the trailer park, and just regular folks in general.

Hell several people I know that have bought HDTV's recently just bought them as they wanted a big TV and all big TVs are HD sets. And most of these folks don't have any HD programming, just watching regular cable streteched to 16x9! :bomb:

I try to sell them on paying the fricking $7 a month to Comcast for an HD box, but have had little luck getting them to budge. They just don't care about pic quality, just wanted a big picture.

Sure they'll come around eventually, one did after watching some football in HD on my 50" sony a couple weeks ago.

But it is a frustratingly slow adoption process for those of us who have made the leap. So few channels available in HD right now. :(
 
[quote name='mykevermin']But, given that the PS3 is on track to sell 11 million by March of 2008[/quote]
Seriously? I hadn't heard that. I'm not disputing your numbers, since I haven't really followed the projections, but that's a million or so a month for the next six months. That sounds like a lot.
 
Yeah, that's a very high projection--and in an industry where console sales projections are more often overshoots rather than underestimates. Seem to see a lot more stories (Wii and DS aside) about Sony and MS lowering profit estimates when fiscal years are ending, rather than reporting greater than expected profits.

They always talk a big game to get stock investors on board.
 
[quote name='freakyzeeky']I honestly bought the PS3 for FFXIII and most of Sony's first paty games... Not really a fan of FPS, and the 360 seems to have a torrent of those games on their system.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that was my reason for buying it.
 
I'm all for getting expenses out of the way as soon as possible but buying a PS3 right now for FFXIII? I'd say you'd be lucky to be playing it in 2008 more like 09. That seems to be planning way ahead geez.

I may break down and buy a PS3 and MGS 4 with my tax return, the timing should work about right assuming MGS 4 does hit around March.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yep. I't's not just gamers, but internet boards in general are going to skew toward tech savy early adopter types. I'm someone is online and posting on the internet, they're going to be more electronically inclined than joe six pack in the trailer park, and just regular folks in general.

Hell several people I know that have bought HDTV's recently just bought them as they wanted a big TV and all big TVs are HD sets. And most of these folks don't have any HD programming, just watching regular cable streteched to 16x9! :bomb:

I try to sell them on paying the fricking $7 a month to Comcast for an HD box, but have had little luck getting them to budge. They just don't care about pic quality, just wanted a big picture.

Sure they'll come around eventually, one did after watching some football in HD on my 50" sony a couple weeks ago.

But it is a frustratingly slow adoption process for those of us who have made the leap. So few channels available in HD right now. :([/quote]

I can't agree more!!!
 
[quote name='elmyra']Seriously? I hadn't heard that. I'm not disputing your numbers, since I haven't really followed the projections, but that's a million or so a month for the next six months. That sounds like a lot.[/QUOTE]

:lol: I didn't think of that. Come on, that's totally reasonable to go from 100k a month to 1 million. That's only a 10x a month increase.

Lest us not forget, like MS, Sony uses shipped numbers so they very well could 'ship' that many by March, much like MS made their 10 million number back in May.
 
[quote name='Corvin']Not true. No game that I'm aware of on both platforms has ever scored higher on the PS3. I think Oblivion comes the closest, but the 360 still edges it out by a point on both gamerankings and metacritic.

Here are your two games:

NBA 2K7 on gamerankings:
Xbox 360 - 84.9%
PS3 - 81.3%

NBA 2K7 on metacritic:
Xbox 360 - 84
PS3 - 80

Madden 07 on gamerankings:
Xbox 360 - 80.7%
PS3 - 77.9%

Madden 07 on metacritic:
Xbox 360 - 80
PS3 - 76[/QUOTE]

Well I only look at ign for my reviews and on PS3 NBA 2K7 had a score of 8.5 and the 360 version had a score of 8.3 As far as Madden goes, yes, Madden 07 on 360 did score higher but only the PS3 version of Madden 07 had gang tackling.
 
[quote name='pbates86']Well I only look at ign for my reviews and on PS3 NBA 2K7 had a score of 8.5 and the 360 version had a score of 8.3 As far as Madden goes, yes, Madden 07 on 360 did score higher but only the PS3 version of Madden 07 had gang tackling.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Just note that you took one sites scores and made a broad generalization that turned out to be false. ;)
 
[quote name='Corvin']:lol: I didn't think of that. Come on, that's totally reasonable to go from 100k a month to 1 million. That's only a 10x a month increase.

Lest us not forget, like MS, Sony uses shipped numbers so they very well could 'ship' that many by March, much like MS made their 10 million number back in May.[/QUOTE]


Yep. And weren't the orginally spouting off plans to sell/ship 10 million by the end of 2006? And then pushed that back to May and still had to used shipped units rather than sold to save face?

You can't put any stock in any of the companies projections. That's just PR talking heads trying to sound good for investors.
 
[quote name='n8n8baby']If you can't find games to play on a Saturn or a Dreamcast, then you got way bigger problems than "picking the right team." :p[/QUOTE]

Well my issue with those systems weren't that there weren't any good games, it was that they stopped making them! They STILL make games for the PS2 and the last Dreamcast game was made when? I'm worried that the same might happen to PS3. The 360 is a year older, and because of that has a larger library. Once the PS3 gets another year under its belt, it will hopefully have a significantly larger library. My problem with sony is that they are still rolling in the dough from the PS2 and haven't gone full focus on the PS3. Can you imagine if God of War II was a PS3 exclusive? Or even a game like Guitar Hero II? I personally thing that would have helped the PS3 a great deal.

Sidenote: I just got done downloading the NBA 2K8 demo of PSN. The same demo that was on live LAST week. Nothing to really say there except that it pisses me off.
 
I don't think the 360 or the PS3 either one are going to sell like the PS2. And speaking of the PS2 didn't it take a little over a year for it to get momentum? I just can't see how people are acting like Sony is done. The 360 and the PS3 will both co-exist well behind the Wii. Which I have to say surprises the hell out of me. Am I the only one who thought the big N was crazy when I first heard of the Wii? My wife just bought one recently and she loves it, and I have to admit it can be fun. I just still don't think it's serious gaming, and that's probably the reason it selling like hot cakes. My problem with the Wii is the mediocre games we'll get for the PS3 and 360 because developers are seeing $$$ on the Wii. I own all three and I have to admit I spend more time with the PS3, but it's more for the BR movies and the media streaming. I personally think both the 360 and PS3 are lacking titles right now. I don't like FPS, so I'm screwed with the 360. I recently played Heavenly and Lair both decent, but the first games I've really played on the PS3 since Motorstorm.
 
The PS2 took a while to get momentum for sure. But it had no competition. The Dreacast was never a serious threat, and it came out a year before the X-box and GC were there to challenge them.

Buy being a year late to the show, the PS3 doesn't have as much luxury have this slow start as it was laredy in the hole due to MS's year head start this time. And that's only be complicated by Nintendo coming out of no where and outselling the hell out of both MS and Sony.

And again, they're certainly not dead. And your right that neither the 360 or PS3 will do PS2 like numbers. That's why people are down on Sony, they flat ruled the last two gens, and the fanboys expected them to do the same this time. Now they have no chance at that kind of domination, and it has both the fanboys and Sony haters riled up.

The PS3 will do fine, challenge MS for second plase, and Nintendo will win the sales race, but not by nearly the margin that the PS2 did.
 
It's still too early to declare the Wii the winner either. If anything, the Wii will slow down, the PS3 will pick up momentum while the 360 will be the workhorse and just chug along at a decent pace. It will be a three way tie. :)
 
At the end of this gen I'm thinking Wii will have about 40% market share, MS slightly beating Sony maybe 33% to 27%. No company will be starving. But I'm honestly wondering if there will be a Playstation 4. Sony is only sticking around to promote blu-ray, They're losing buckets of money off video games and unless they have something new to promote by then I'm not sure they have a reason to stick around just to lose a ton more money. And I'm not saying this like S0ny is t3h d00med like MS or Nintendo will kick them out of industry like some believe/wish, but I mean they may leave on their own.
 
[quote name='VidgamesgivemeA_D_D']They're losing buckets of money off video games[/QUOTE]

No.

Their games division (prior to PS3) was keeping the rest of the company afloat, being the only profitable division. At the moment, they're taking losses because of the PS3, but keeping in mind the money coming in from still-strong PS2 sales (a console they've been profiting off of for years, and and continue to profit off of), as well as PSP (also profitable), not to mention strong software sales for those two systems.

If the PS3 does well (which it will), they'll turn a profit there, too (eventually). Their biggest gamble is this: will the PS3 start doing well soon enough to secure Blu-Ray's future as the high-def video format? If so, they'll suddenly have two HUGE sources of income/profit: software/hardware and video sales (instead of just the former).
 
[quote name='VidgamesgivemeA_D_D']At the end of this gen I'm thinking Wii will have about 40% market share, MS slightly beating Sony maybe 33% to 27%. No company will be starving. But I'm honestly wondering if there will be a Playstation 4. Sony is only sticking around to promote blu-ray, They're losing buckets of money off video games and unless they have something new to promote by then I'm not sure they have a reason to stick around just to lose a ton more money. And I'm not saying this like S0ny is t3h d00med like MS or Nintendo will kick them out of industry like some believe/wish, but I mean they may leave on their own.[/quote]I agree with you. And the only reason Sony will even be that close to the 360 is because of Microsofts inability to woo Japansese gamers.

It just seams that Sony really underestimated how much a $600 system would really drive away consumers. Although it is somewhat remarkable they have done this well at that price. But even when they lower the price they have just lost so much momentum that I can't ever seeing them being the top selling hardware of this generation. Heck it's hard to see them in second.
 
[quote name='Corvin']It's still too early to declare the Wii the winner either. If anything, the Wii will slow down, the PS3 will pick up momentum while the 360 will be the workhorse and just chug along at a decent pace. It will be a three way tie. :)[/QUOTE]


See, I just have a hard time imagning it slowing down anytime soon. It's been selling like hot cakes despite having a shit game library.

I'd have to imagine it will just keep on rolling for the foreseeable future as stuff like Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros move consoles (along with Wii sports) this holiday season, Mario Kart next year, Wii Fit next year for the casuals etc.

And I don't particularly like it, as it's not good when the market leader is the lowest powered console. You end up with big multiplatform games being developed for the lowest common denominator--and thus they never look as good as they could when they get ported over to the more powerful systems. Was a problem last gen with stuff being developed for the PS2 then just ported over, lots of sloppy ports on the X-box and GC, and even the good multiplatform games like PoP etc. didn't look nearly as good as the top exclusives on the X-box or GC.

So, I hope your right and it does end up being more of a tie. But with them selling like hot cakes with a weak game library, no HD graphics, worthless online support etc. etc., I have a hard time imagining them slowing down.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Their biggest gamble is this: will the PS3 start doing well soon enough to secure Blu-Ray's future as the high-def video format? If so, they'll suddenly have two HUGE sources of income/profit: software/hardware and video sales (instead of just the former).[/QUOTE]

My prediction is that will bite them. The market just wasn't ready for HD disc formats. HDTV penetration is still too low, they aren't able to price the discs remotely competitive with DVDs right now etc.

They should have waited until the PS4 when HDTV has had another 5 years to catch on, and then put BR in that if they had to.

But in all actuality, they should have just realized that every proprietary format they've ever introduced had either failed or been a niche thing used only in their devices in the end, and just not gotten in the HD disc market to begin with. Though I do think BR has a better chance of eventually catching on than did Betamax, Minidiscs, Memory Sticks, etc.
 
The wii is gonna slow down. Its a fad just like beanie babies were. The PS name is so strong that it will sell the system. The xbox is gonna slow down and just be known as the thing you play halo on. Seriously if it was not for Halo 1 and 2. Xbox would have died ALONG time ago.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']The wii is gonna slow down. Its a fad just like beanie babies were. The PS name is so strong that it will sell the system. The xbox is gonna slow down and just be known as the thing you play halo on. Seriously if it was not for Halo 1 and 2. Xbox would have died ALONG time ago.[/QUOTE]

People said the same thing about the DS, and it's still the top selling platform.

PS name hasn't helped it much thus far. It is a factor and when prices fall it will help it sell some.

Stuff about MS is just biased fanboy nonsense. Of course Halo was the big reason for their success, but now they are an established console platform, and have a lot of great games (including exclusives) and are definitely here to stay.
 
Im not sure if you have seen but recently ds and wii sales have been slowing down in Japan. Last week the ds only sold like 40k units and the wii sold pretty badly also. I think people are finally starting to realize that the wii is gonna be another gamecube.

Also the DS was never a Fad the way the Wii is.

The xbox would have failed if it was not for the halo series. Halo was not a big reason for the success it was the reson they HAD the success. The xbox 1 was the halo/team ninja box and looks like its gonna be the same way this generation.
IAMRITE.
 
You are right about the xbox1, but they mightve still stuck it out anyway. They're a stubborn bunch you know.

So how are the Wii's competitors doing in Japan, by the way?
 
[quote name='InuFaye']The wii is gonna slow down. Its a fad just like beanie babies were. The PS name is so strong that it will sell the system. The xbox is gonna slow down and just be known as the thing you play halo on. Seriously if it was not for Halo 1 and 2. Xbox would have died ALONG time ago.[/QUOTE]

That's about as naive as it comes.

How many million sellers has there been on the 360? Halo, Crackdown, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Oblivion, Bioshock, Madden, Gears of War... all of which are from mostly different genres and turned into AAA titles, which also blows the hole in the MS is only good for shooters and racers theory. How many million sellers on the PS3? Resistance? Motorstorm? Neither of which garnered AAA status. That's a pretty weak stance to take. That stance being, ignoring the entire 360 lineup. The majority of which also comprises the PS3 lineup.

I also disagree with the bit about the Playstation brand being more powerful than the Wii. Not too long ago, Nintendo was synonymous with gaming. People are just as aware of Nintendo as they ever were and it could be argued that their brand is now stronger than Sony's, or at least as strong as these days.

One thing I would bet on, the PS4 will be scaled back, and the $600 console will have gone the way of the dodo.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']
The xbox would have failed if it was not for the halo series. Halo was not a big reason for the success it was the reson they HAD the success. The xbox 1 was the halo/team ninja box and looks like its gonna be the same way this generation.
IAMRITE.[/QUOTE]

Sure, Halo made it a success. But the 360 is not just the halo playing machine. They're risen above that with stuff like Gears, Crackdown, Dead Rising, Bioshock, and on down the line.

Wii sales fluctuate weekk to week by availability. Some weeks there are very few shipped to stores to be sold, so you can't really look at ups and downs yet. And you can sure it will sell crazy this holiday season with Mario and Smash Bros coming.

DS will pick up again soon with Zelda and the holidays.

Don't be such a blind sony loyalist.
 
[quote name='Corvin']One thing I would bet on, the PS4 will be scaled back, and the $600 console will have gone the way of the dodo.[/QUOTE]

One can hope that all console makers learned that lesson, and that you are right here.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']Im not sure if you have seen but recently ds and wii sales have been slowing down in Japan. Last week the ds only sold like 40k units and the wii sold pretty badly also. I think people are finally starting to realize that the wii is gonna be another gamecube.

Also the DS was never a Fad the way the Wii is.

The xbox would have failed if it was not for the halo series. Halo was not a big reason for the success it was the reson they HAD the success. The xbox 1 was the halo/team ninja box and looks like its gonna be the same way this generation.
IAMRITE.[/QUOTE]

Or a cooler head prevails over the fanboy fantasies and realizes that Christmas is around the corner and people might be scaling back on large purchases. Give it until November, there will be a surge of sales for both the Wii and DS. Or like dmaul said, sales also depend on availability which seems to fluctuate quite a bit with Nintendo products.

Also you have to face it, if it weren't for the original Xbox Live, Sony's PSN would be even more archaic than it is now. Just because you can't see past Halo doesn't mean MS didn't actually accomplish something, most of which have been ripped and imitated in a pale fashion. Competition is good.

[quote name='dmaul1114']

Don't be such a blind sony loyalist.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that. :lol:
 
[quote name='Corvin']That's about as naive as it comes.

How many million sellers has there been on the 360? Halo, Crackdown, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Oblivion, Bioshock, Madden, Gears of War... all of which are from mostly different genres and turned into AAA titles, which also blows the hole in the MS is only good for shooters and racers theory. How many million sellers on the PS3? Resistance? Motorstorm? Neither of which garnered AAA status. That's a pretty weak stance to take. That stance being, ignoring the entire 360 lineup. The majority of which also comprises the PS3 lineup.

I also disagree with the bit about the Playstation brand being more powerful than the Wii. Not too long ago, Nintendo was synonymous with gaming. People are just as aware of Nintendo as they ever were and it could be argued that their brand is now stronger than Sony's, or at least as strong as these days.

One thing I would bet on, the PS4 will be scaled back, and the $600 console will have gone the way of the dodo.[/quote]

Did I say Xbox 360? NO. I said XBOX. Which refers to the first one. Without Halo for the first xbox its pretty fair to assume that it would have died and microsoft would never have made the other ones. For the best sellers Please There is no way that Lost Planet and Dead Rising sold a million copies. Crackdown only sold because of the halo 3 beta. Bioshock is getting close to a milllion copies. Madden? Are you serious? Its available on every system under the sun. Oblivion ,Gears , and lost planet are superior on the PC. The 360 will remain the box for the western games.

The Playstation brand is so much stronger then you think it is. Nintendo used to be synomous with games back in early 90's but the playstation destroyed nintendo for the past decade. Now that a Nintendo system is finally selling you think the wii name is known everywhere.
 
[quote name='Corvin']Or a cooler head prevails over the fanboy fantasies and realizes that Christmas is around the corner and people might be scaling back on large purchases. Give it until November, there will be a surge of sales for both the Wii and DS. Or like dmaul said, sales also depend on availability which seems to fluctuate quite a bit with Nintendo products.

Also you have to face it, if it weren't for the original Xbox Live, Sony's PSN would be even more archaic than it is now. Just because you can't see past Halo doesn't mean MS didn't actually accomplish something, most of which have been ripped and imitated in a pale fashion. Competition is good.



Amen to that. :lol:[/quote]

I never onced compared Live to PSN in this discussion. Live is and will be for along time light years behind pc online games. PC gamers have had online for the better part of 15 years. You console gamers finally get a good taste of it and now you act like microsoft invented online play! Please I remeber back in the day on my 486 windows 3.1 machine using my modem to call my friends house and play doom connected to each other.
 
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