getting worried

[quote name='dallow']Dmaul likes to take his situation, and apply it to everyone.
Then when you call him out on generalizing, he says he meant just himself.[/QUOTE]


Nope, lots of people don't have time to play all the A caliber games on multiple systems.

Everyone has time to skim EGM and stay informed, but that's not what I was saying, and I don't see how you retards misread it given the context it was in, and the post that was quoted.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Maybe you shoud go to grad school and study reading comprehension.[/QUOTE]

This isn't my argument and I don't particularly care who wins, but I do find it comedic that you had a typo in this sentence... well, and it's kind of a stupid statement.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']This isn't my argument and I don't particularly care who wins, but I do find it comedic that you had a typo in this sentence... well, and it's kind of a stupid statement.[/QUOTE]

Meh, typos happen. I never check anything I post on boards.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Meh, typos happen. I never check anything I post on boards.[/quote]It's very obvious. Believe you me.
 
:lol: Those who misconstrue me cursing as hostility sure are quick to become hostile themselves, no?

:lol: "myah myah myah, I'm co-PI on my own dissertation project." You might as well tell me that you drive a car *and* use the steering wheel all at the same time.

As for misreading, I suppose I can see the "it's hard to keep up with so many good games." My backlog empathizes with that. But, of course, you could have opted for the clearer and more parsimonious "not everyone has time to PLAY" instead of the much more vague "not everyone has time to KEEP UP." Since we're delving into nitpicking, at any rate.
 
Meh. I put little thought into my posts, in addition to checking them. :D Plus us academics get paid to be un-parsimonious (if that's even a word) and vague. :D

They're time wasters at work, and more often than not just thrown out there to annoy others. Especially on game boards were people get riled up so easily. :D

And definitely not bragging about being co-pi, as that's standard. Just an explanation for why I'm working full time during grad school--rather than working very little on an assistantship (as I did my first 5 years).
 
[quote name='dallow']It's very obvious. Believe you me.[/QUOTE]

No doubt. But I take solace in the fact that my posts are still than the rest of you losers who actually care how you come across to the other nerds on internet boards. ;)
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Meh. I put little thought into my posts, in addition to checking them. :D Plus us academics get paid to be un-parsimonious (if that's even a word) and vague. :D

They're time wasters at work, and more often than not just thrown out there to annoy others. Especially on game boards were people get riled up so easily. :D[/quote]It's hard to get riled up about games when one owns each system and can play just about anything he wants.
Rather than fret about introductory costs, support, etc.
 
[quote name='dallow']It's hard to get riled up about games when one owns each system and can play just about anything he wants.
Rather than fret about introductory costs, support, etc.[/QUOTE]


I know. And you aren't one of the ones that can get riled up over them. :D

I fret about the stuff you say, but still don't get riled up over games. I couldn't care less which console sells more etc.

I just buy what's priced reasonably, and play the games I want to play, and if I miss some great games on the system I don't own, then so be it. I don't have time to PLAY them all anyway. :D

But I don't think there's anything more pathetic than people with some kind of loyalty to one of the companies, and it's just too much fun to rile them up and watch the train wreck that results. Especially when stuck at a computer all day....
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']No doubt. But I take solace in the fact that my posts are still than the rest of you losers who actually care how you come across to the other nerds on internet boards. ;)[/QUOTE]

are still what, exactly?

Or is this one of those "I see what you did there" moments? (I'm giving you an easy out; go ahead and grab it.)
 
No, just another example of sloppy typos from not giving a shit what I post or what people think of them. :D

But you can just treat it as a fill in the blank with your choice of words synonymous with things such as better, worthwhile etc. ;)
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']No, just another example of sloppy typos from not giving a shit what I post or what people think of them. :D

[/QUOTE]


then don't post.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
I've said it before and I'll say it again: those who claim "PS3 has no games" are those who (1) aren't paying attention to the PS3 in the slightest, and are thus wholly unqualified to speak on whether or not the PS3, in fact, has games, or those (2) who seem to have a vested interest (mostly emotional, in gamers' cases, and occasionally financial) in believing that the PS3 will never have good games, so they feel compelled to lie to themselves and others about the PS3's games.[/QUOTE]

There is a third group you forget about. 360 owners that either already own a PS3 or are looking to buy one. To that crowd the PS3 has no games... that they haven't already played six months ago. 95% of the PS3 library is on the 360, so no, to them, there are no games.

This is the vocal minority. Only a handful have the budget for both and those that do are hardcore gamers that know the 360 is typically the lead sku and has the better version. That leaves a very small group of exclusives on the PS3 at the moment.
 
I don't see how the PS3 has no games to someone *looking* of buying one. There are very good games out there currently only on the PS3: Ninja Gaiden, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Warhawk, Motorstorm...and more coming this fall. I'm not saying everyone should love every one of these games (I can admit I'm one of the few people who thought Lair was pretty fun - then again, I'm probably one of the few people who actually played the game). What I am saying is that, at this moment in time, there are a good number of excellent PS3 titles that are worth playing.

Moreover, they're diverse (FPS, action/adventure, racing, fighting, multiplayer fuck 'em up or whatever Warhawk should be called). When asked to cull the best exclusives for the 360, you can count the non-FPS games on one hand and still be able to pick your nose and give someone the finger all at once. Typically, people point to Halo 3, Bioshock, and Gears of War. All VERY fun games, but all games of the same genre - every now and then they'll mention Dead Rising, which is about the only exclusive that steps outside of the FPS genre.

I'm sure I'm just wasting breath, but I'm merely trying to point out that saying any of the three major consoles has "no games" is a total misnomer at this point, and comes from people who don't know a damned thing about whichever console they're talking about, or go out of their way to ensure that they don't support this or that particular console.

I'm curious about the perception of 360 games being the "better version." By what standards? Achievements? DLC? Disk space? Multiplayer? Frames per second? HD Resolution?
 
I agree with Myke in that saying that the PS3 has no games is crap. From my personal opinion it just doesn't have any games I want to buy it for at the moment.

If the PS3 had a few games exclusive to it like those I bought my first PS2 for I'd be all over one. I got my PS2 late in the day (bought it for GTA: San Andreas) but games like Wipeout, Twisted Metal, Rez, Gran Tourismo were the kinds of titles I couldn't get anywhere else and I just don't think the PS3 has hit that level yet.

But I think you're being very selective Myke about 360 exclusives being mostly FPS's, just from looking at my own collection theres Forza 2, Kameo, Amped 3, Viva Pinata, Ninety Nine Nights, Saints Row, Top Spin 2, Fusion Frenzy 2 (yeah ok :) ), Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 (sigh) etc

Again the PS3 has games, but as a 360 owner looking at what makes me want to buy one, there's not much.

[quote name='mykevermin']
I'm curious about the perception of 360 games being the "better version." By what standards? Achievements? DLC? Disk space? Multiplayer? Frames per second? HD Resolution?[/quote]

Yeah, pretty much :)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't see how the PS3 has no games to someone *looking* of buying one. There are very good games out there currently only on the PS3: Ninja Gaiden, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Warhawk, Motorstorm...and more coming this fall. I'm not saying everyone should love every one of these games (I can admit I'm one of the few people who thought Lair was pretty fun - then again, I'm probably one of the few people who actually played the game). What I am saying is that, at this moment in time, there are a good number of excellent PS3 titles that are worth playing.

Moreover, they're diverse (FPS, action/adventure, racing, fighting, multiplayer fuck 'em up or whatever Warhawk should be called). When asked to cull the best exclusives for the 360, you can count the non-FPS games on one hand and still be able to pick your nose and give someone the finger all at once. Typically, people point to Halo 3, Bioshock, and Gears of War. All VERY fun games, but all games of the same genre - every now and then they'll mention Dead Rising, which is about the only exclusive that steps outside of the FPS genre.[/quote]
Like Benjamouth, I agree with your basic premise, but the above is just ridiculous. You complained about a fallacious argument in your first paragraph and then did the exact thing you complained about in the next paragraph. Forza 2, Project Gotham Racing 3, Crackdown, Saints Row, Dead or Alive 4, Dead Rising (which you did mention) and Viva Pinata all reviewed well based on Game Rankings averages. Most of them also sold very well (only DoA4 and Viva aren't million sellers). None of them are first-person shooters, and they also cover diverse genres. But you certainly were clever about it, pick your nose and give someone the finger, hah!
 
It's funny, people get blasted for being a "Sony loyalist" for "defending" PS3 but not when they do it for 360 or Wii :D
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't see how the PS3 has no games to someone *looking* of buying one. There are very good games out there currently only on the PS3: Ninja Gaiden, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Warhawk, Motorstorm...and more coming this fall. I'm not saying everyone should love every one of these games (I can admit I'm one of the few people who thought Lair was pretty fun - then again, I'm probably one of the few people who actually played the game). What I am saying is that, at this moment in time, there are a good number of excellent PS3 titles that are worth playing.

Moreover, they're diverse (FPS, action/adventure, racing, fighting, multiplayer fuck 'em up or whatever Warhawk should be called). When asked to cull the best exclusives for the 360, you can count the non-FPS games on one hand and still be able to pick your nose and give someone the finger all at once. Typically, people point to Halo 3, Bioshock, and Gears of War. All VERY fun games, but all games of the same genre - every now and then they'll mention Dead Rising, which is about the only exclusive that steps outside of the FPS genre.

I'm sure I'm just wasting breath, but I'm merely trying to point out that saying any of the three major consoles has "no games" is a total misnomer at this point, and comes from people who don't know a damned thing about whichever console they're talking about, or go out of their way to ensure that they don't support this or that particular console.

I'm curious about the perception of 360 games being the "better version." By what standards? Achievements? DLC? Disk space? Multiplayer? Frames per second? HD Resolution?[/QUOTE]


PS3 has no game, PS3 is crap, PS3 negativity comes from those who dont' own the system and people who either can't afford, or choose not to spend such a large amount of money to purchase the system. When you can't have something, you bad mouth it.... its just natural human {hater} behavior. The others who believe it, are just following the words of someone else; Or its just their pure choice. High prices breeds negativity. Sony/PS3 was doing well, before that E3 where they announced the "Price." If the PS3 could have started at maybe 399, and 499, then maybe there wouldn't have been so much negativity. But you'll see, as the prices come down, so will that wall of negativity towards the PS3...
 
[quote name='Thomas96']PS3 has no game, PS3 is crap, PS3 negativity comes from those who dont' own the system and people who either can't afford, or choose not to spend such a large amount of money to purchase the system. When you can't have something, you bad mouth it.... [/QUOTE]

That's not true, at least not for me.

The 360 has been more than I'm willing to pay at $400 and now $350, especially with the failure rate. Yet there are several exclusvie games I want to play on it, and will likely by one when it's $300 or less.

With the PS3, there's just nothing I really want to play yet among the exclusive games. Resistance I played at my buddies, it's ok, but I'm not big into FPS. Pretty much only buy the AAA games like Halo, Bioshock etc. in that genre. Motorstorm looks, great, but I don't like racing games. Lair looks great, but the controls sound terrible (I hate tilt motion control in racing or flight games on the Wii, so doubt I'd like it here either). I don't play online, so Warhawk is out etc.

But I'd also never say that the PS3 has "no games." It just has no exclusives taht I really want to play right now, much less any to get me to buy the system. It will get more games down the line, and will start to get exclusives I want. And maybe I'll think more seriously of picking one up when the price falls some more and the game line up expands. And you're right, the negativity will lessen then. That's common sense. The negativity is because it was priced so absurdly high and the AAA games have been slow to come for a lot of people.

So, it's not envy, etc., at least with me. Again, I don't have any loyalty or hatred for any of these overpriced hunks of plastic. I just go where the games are, and where prices are right. I don't waste much (if anytime) defending any one console, or bashing the ones I don't have.

I just like to talk games, and I call em like I see em, and just state my personal opinions on consoles and their game libaries.

But their are plenty of fanboys out there who defend their console of choice to the death, and bash the hell out of the others just because they can't afford (or choose not to pay) for the them, so your point has some validity for sure.

Just don't overgeneralize it to assume that everyone who can't find any games they want to play on the PS3/enough games worth buying the system for is soem biased, bitter, jealous hater.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']But you'll see, as the prices come down, so will that wall of negativity towards the PS3...[/quote]
Yeah, the PS3 gets a lot of grief because right now the number of good games is kind of low and the console is fairly expensive. It's dumb to think it'll always be that way, though. I suspect that by the holidays in 2008, there'll be a PS3 model available for under $400, and the game library will certainly be a lot better by then.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That's not true, at least not for me.

The 360 has been more than I'm willing to pay at $400 and now $350, especially with the failure rate. Yet there are several exclusvie games I want to play on it, and will likely by one when it's $300 or less.

With the PS3, there's just nothing I really want to play yet among the exclusive games. Resistance I played at my buddies, it's ok, but I'm not big into FPS. Pretty much only buy the AAA games like Halo, Bioshock etc. in that genre. Motorstorm looks, great, but I don't like racing games. Lair looks great, but the controls sound terrible (I hate tilt motion control in racing or flight games on the Wii, so doubt I'd like it here either). I don't play online, so Warhawk is out etc.

But I'd also never say that the PS3 has "no games." It just has no exclusives taht I really want to play right now, much less any to get me to buy the system. It will get more games down the line, and will start to get exclusives I want. And maybe I'll think more seriously of picking one up when the price falls some more and the game line up expands. And you're right, the negativity will lessen then. That's common sense. The negativity is because it was priced so absurdly high and the AAA games have been slow to come for a lot of people.

So, it's not envy, etc., at least with me. Again, I don't have any loyalty or hatred for any of these overpriced hunks of plastic. I just go where the games are, and where prices are right. I don't waste much (if anytime) defending any one console, or bashing the ones I don't have.

I just like to talk games, and I call em like I see em, and just state my personal opinions on consoles and their game libaries.

But their are plenty of fanboys out there who defend their console of choice to the death, and bash the hell out of the others just because they can't afford (or choose not to pay) for the them, so your point has some validity for sure.

Just don't overgeneralize it to assume that everyone who can't find any games they want to play on the PS3/enough games worth buying the system for is soem biased, bitter, jealous hater.[/QUOTE]



I wasn't trying to overgeneralize... I know that there are some people who simply choose the 360 over the PS3, and that's fine. I'm just like you, you have a 360 that you enjoy and that's your choice and that's fine. Whereas, I have a PS3 [and 360] and that's my choice. I got ps3 cause that's what I enjoy, thats my primary system, and the 360, is my secondary. For you it could be vice versa.. and its all good.

But... there is a PS3 hater population out there.. [along with Wii haters, and 360 haters]
 
I used to be a Sony diehard (PS1, PS2 and PSP) but I've really became a 360 lover as of late. I'll be getting a PS3 in time but I really enjoy my 360 and given the choice I'm sure I'll alway chose a 360 verision of a game of the PS3 counter part. Reason being, all my friends have a 360 and none have a PS3, and really I just feal like the 360 is more of a social envirmoent. At any time I can get a game invite from anyone or just simply chat while playing completely different games. While I origionally didn't thinkg this was a big deal I have really grown to love it.
 
lets face it. the only thing that can stop the ps3 from completly failing is to drop the price to atleast $399, lose that blu ray format and stick an HD drive in there so developers can make the games faster (they are having some trouble putting the games on the blu rays). ohh and one more thing, A HUGE ASS LIST OF EXCLUSIVES. wait let me rephrase that, A HUGE ASS LIST OF GOOD EXCLUSIVES.:lol:
 
[quote name='wwe101']lets face it. the only thing that can stop the ps3 from completly failing is to drop the price to atleast $399, lose that blu ray format and stick an HD drive in there so developers can make the games faster (they are having some trouble putting the games on the blu rays). ohh and one more thing, A HUGE ASS LIST OF EXCLUSIVES. wait let me rephrase that, A HUGE ASS LIST OF GOOD EXCLUSIVES.:lol:[/quote]

:whistle2:s
 
Blu ray is going no where. They just need to get price down to $400 as rumored, and down to $300 as soon as possible after that, get the AAA exclusives out and they'll be fine. Probably won't get back on top, but sales will pick up, they'll make money and finish this generation strong, and hopefully they'll have learned there lesson and launch the PS4 at $300-400 and make a strong push to get back on top.
 
[quote name='elmyra']Like Benjamouth, I agree with your basic premise, but the above is just ridiculous. You complained about a fallacious argument in your first paragraph and then did the exact thing you complained about in the next paragraph. Forza 2, Project Gotham Racing 3, Crackdown, Saints Row, Dead or Alive 4, Dead Rising (which you did mention) and Viva Pinata all reviewed well based on Game Rankings averages. Most of them also sold very well (only DoA4 and Viva aren't million sellers). None of them are first-person shooters, and they also cover diverse genres. But you certainly were clever about it, pick your nose and give someone the finger, hah![/QUOTE]

I know that the 360 has a lot of good exclusive games (I don't do racers so much, but that and DOA4 aside, I own the games listed above). I think I was merely pointing out that when asked to name the 360's biggest (the "AAA," if you will) titles that give it an advantage over other consoles, Halo, Bioshock, and GoW are the most frequently mentioned. The system IS FPS heavy (but that may also be the direction the industry is heading, I suppose, as neither the Wii or PS3 are starved for them, either).

It's a weak argument (christ I'm hungover today and not really in the mood to discuss this ad nauseum as I typically would), but those other exclusive games are not, by themselves, system sellers. I think that's what separates the three FPS club: people DID buy new consoles for Halo 3, they surely will for GoW2, and...well, the jury's out on Bioshock, but a lack of multiplayer ain't going to do it any good as a system seller. The other games above, however, aren't going to cause a spike or surge in new system sales, IMO. Somebody (in this thread?) pointed out that 360s seem to die off at a much more noticeable and prominent rate when big games come out - GHII, GoW, Halo 3 - and that it's likely not because of bad discs/"killer" games, but, rather, that more people are playing their console more frequently (and that the seemingly higher death rate is an artifact of more people using their consoles).

...where was I? Oh. Perhaps Forza is a system seller by itself, but I don't see DOA, Viva Pinata, or Saints Row as pushing consoles out the door. They are useful, though...if you notice some of the more refined "PS3 has no games" arguers, you'll see that they're willing to drop $400/500 for a console when it has a number of games worth playing, rather than 2 or 3 they *might* play. So the list as you have it is a solid library, but individually, they're not "blockbusters."

[quote name='wwe101']lets face it. the only thing that can stop the ps3 from completly failing is to drop the price to atleast $399, lose that blu ray format and stick an HD drive in there so developers can make the games faster (they are having some trouble putting the games on the blu rays). ohh and one more thing, A HUGE ASS LIST OF EXCLUSIVES. wait let me rephrase that, A HUGE ASS LIST OF GOOD EXCLUSIVES.:lol:[/QUOTE]

Don't drink and surf. Take an advil, go to bed, wake up, and then surf.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']you'll see that they're willing to drop $400/500 for a console when it has a number of games worth playing, rather than 2 or 3 they *might* play. So the list as you have it is a solid library, but individually, they're not "blockbusters."
[/QUOTE]

That's certainly a fair way to put it.

For me to buy a console, especially at the 360 and PS3 prices, it needs to have a good 4-5+ personal must haves AND a decent library of "might play" type games.

I've not bought a 360 yet, as there really aren't 4-5 absolute must plays that I haven't already played through at my buddy's place on his 360. Just really 2-3 must haves and a lot of "might plays" right now, and that's not worth the $350 price tag. Hit $300, and have stuff like Mass Effect out, and I'll be much more tempted.

With the PS3, threre are 0 absolute must plays for me right now, and just a couple of "might plays" so it's just not in the picture right now. Though that will change in 2008 when more games come out and prices fall.
 
If you're an RPG gamer, you might as well tell this generation of consoles to go to hell for 12 months, and get settled with a DS or PSP. I'm amazed that we've only had Oblivion and Blue Dragon so far (the former being dramatically nontraditional, the latter being pretty paint-by-numbers).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']If you're an RPG gamer, you might as well tell this generation of consoles to go to hell for 12 months, and get settled with a DS or PSP. I'm amazed that we've only had Oblivion and Blue Dragon so far (the former being dramatically nontraditional, the latter being pretty paint-by-numbers).[/QUOTE]

Yep. Amazingly few RPGs thus far. Probably due to the 360 not selling so well in Japan--though another poster in another thread (or maybe earlier in this, can't remember) pointed out that there were 10 or so strategy RPGs for 360 in Japan that will just never make it over) and PS3 not selling that well yet (and being early in it's life to have many long RPGs developed for it yet since they take a long time to produce).

Not much skin off my nose. I love RPGs, but just can't really get through them very often these days--5 or so hours a week for gaming after work and other hobbies/commitments makes it tough to play through 40+ hour games. Still like to try to do one a year or so when I have some vacation or something and can power through one.

DS is where it's at period so far this gen for me. Have played that a ton more than my Wii, and there have been more personal must buy games on it for me that I could find on the Wii, 360 and PS3 combined.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I know that the 360 has a lot of good exclusive games (I don't do racers so much, but that and DOA4 aside, I own the games listed above). I think I was merely pointing out that when asked to name the 360's biggest (the "AAA," if you will) titles that give it an advantage over other consoles, Halo, Bioshock, and GoW are the most frequently mentioned. The system IS FPS heavy (but that may also be the direction the industry is heading, I suppose, as neither the Wii or PS3 are starved for them, either).

It's a weak argument (christ I'm hungover today and not really in the mood to discuss this ad nauseum as I typically would), but those other exclusive games are not, by themselves, system sellers. I think that's what separates the three FPS club: people DID buy new consoles for Halo 3, they surely will for GoW2, and...well, the jury's out on Bioshock, but a lack of multiplayer ain't going to do it any good as a system seller. The other games above, however, aren't going to cause a spike or surge in new system sales, IMO. Somebody (in this thread?) pointed out that 360s seem to die off at a much more noticeable and prominent rate when big games come out - GHII, GoW, Halo 3 - and that it's likely not because of bad discs/"killer" games, but, rather, that more people are playing their console more frequently (and that the seemingly higher death rate is an artifact of more people using their consoles).

...where was I? Oh. Perhaps Forza is a system seller by itself, but I don't see DOA, Viva Pinata, or Saints Row as pushing consoles out the door. They are useful, though...if you notice some of the more refined "PS3 has no games" arguers, you'll see that they're willing to drop $400/500 for a console when it has a number of games worth playing, rather than 2 or 3 they *might* play. So the list as you have it is a solid library, but individually, they're not "blockbusters.[/quote]
Okay, if you want to talk blockbusters, I can agree that the games I listed aren't exactly system sellers (except for Viva Pinata! ;)). But really, I don't see the PS3 games you listed as system sellers or blockbusters, either. The PS3 is obviously going to get them - everyone talks about FFXIII, MGS4, and Gran Turismo 5. But did lots of people really buy a PS3 just because they had to play Heavenly Sword or Virtua Fighter 5? Will lots of people still care about those games in a year or two? None of the games you listed seem to be doing any better than the non-FPS games on the Xbox 360. Only Motorstorm and Resistance have sold really well so far, and still not any better than the second-tier games on the 360. I can agree that it's likely the PS3 will eventually have more genre variety in its blockbusters, when it gets them. There are some great looking non-FPS games coming for the Xbox 360, but I'm skeptical that Fable 2, Mass Effect and such are going to be huge system sellers.

Anyway, I think that all of the consoles are going to have lots of great games in a variety of genres eventually, just like last generation. I'm one of the people waiting for the PS3 to get a critical mass of games that I want to play - but my tastes are a little different, and some of the games I'm waiting for are coming out later. There's really no reason for me to buy now unless I get a fantastic deal (which I might if I can build a little more GameRush credit at less than 50% of face value). That's just me, though.
 
one question that needs to be asked.. can sony at least be number two this holiday season in sales.. [from Nov. through Dec.] with a price drop and the list of games they've got coming out. Honestly, Sony has some decent games ready for the holidays...
 
[quote name='Thomas96']one question that needs to be asked.. can sony at least be number two this holiday season in sales.. [from Nov. through Dec.] with a price drop and the list of games they've got coming out. Honestly, Sony has some decent games ready for the holidays...[/QUOTE]
It's possible, depending on what bundles they are going to offer. I'm sure that MS will offer some type of bundle around the holidays, I would expect that Sony would counter with something.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']If you're an RPG gamer, you might as well tell this generation of consoles to go to hell for 12 months, and get settled with a DS or PSP. I'm amazed that we've only had Oblivion and Blue Dragon so far (the former being dramatically nontraditional, the latter being pretty paint-by-numbers).[/QUOTE]

Surprises the heck out of me too... considering the wealth of possibilities we've only glimpsed with Oblivion. (and Eternal Sonata/Blue Dragon... to a lesser extent the slash'emups.) Sure some people complained there was a bit too much hand-holding on Oblivion (compared to Morrowind), but I liked Oblivion's story better than Morrowind's (I didn't ever play the expansions for it, though...) Oblivion _made_ me want to find out what happened next in the various faction quests, Daedric Shrine quests, and such... Knights of the 9 was sort of cliched, but I dug it nonetheless..)

I'd much rather play an RPG with an involving story over a long period of time than the short-burst shoot everything that moves FPS. (I like FPSes, but they're not a system must-have for me.)

Ah well... in the mean time I've got 48 metric tons of PS2 RPGs to play... (finish? I'm not so sure... heh.)
 
[quote name='Thomas96']one question that needs to be asked.. can sony at least be number two this holiday season in sales.. [from Nov. through Dec.] with a price drop and the list of games they've got coming out. Honestly, Sony has some decent games ready for the holidays...[/QUOTE]

Strongly doubt it. They have some decent games, but not really AAA system sellers.

Wii will win both because it's still selling out everywhere, and will get a big boost from Mario Galaxy and especially Super Smash Bros Brawl.

360 will keep selling well on the strength of Halo 3 and the other big games already out, and the holiday bundles will move more units.

PS3 will see a nice boost with the $400 price and some more games coming out, but will finish a little behind MS.

At least that's my prediction.
 
Oh, they can be "Number 2" all right. . . . Sorry, couldn't resist.

Seriously, though, unless Nintendo really blows it it's hard to imagine them dropping to third in sales (my kids are MORE excited about the CHEAPER system ... hmm, which should I buy?) So they'd have to overtake the 360, which doesn't seem likely without a killer exclusive game or two.

[quote name='Thomas96']one question that needs to be asked.. can sony at least be number two this holiday season in sales.. [from Nov. through Dec.] with a price drop and the list of games they've got coming out. Honestly, Sony has some decent games ready for the holidays...[/quote]
 
with the ps3 price drop, its going to take some sales away from 360 and Wii.. so it comes down to a matter of how many sales can PS3 get. HDTvs are expected to do well... this holiday seasons... BB is banking on it.. so you know with every HDTV sold that's a potential PS3 that could go right alont with it as a pure HD product.
 
Don't get me wrong, like I said, the price drop will cause a good spike in sales. I just don't think it will be able to outsell the Wii (unless supply is super low) or the 360 with it's 2 game bundle coming.

As for HDTV sales, I wonder how many people buy an HDTV and another $400+ item at the same time? i.e. how many people by an HDTV, and also pick up a 360, or PS3, or standalone HD DVD/blu ray player at the same time?

I would think that would be relatively rare, as an HDTV is a huge expense for most people by itself. And it would seem likely that those with the money to make that kind of double purchase probably bought into HDTV a while back.

But who knows. Just some thoughts off the top of my head.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Don't get me wrong, like I said, the price drop will cause a good spike in sales. I just don't think it will be able to outsell the Wii (unless supply is super low) or the 360 with it's 2 game bundle coming.

As for HDTV sales, I wonder how many people buy an HDTV and another $400+ item at the same time? i.e. how many people by an HDTV, and also pick up a 360, or PS3, or standalone HD DVD/blu ray player at the same time?

I would think that would be relatively rare, as an HDTV is a huge expense for most people by itself. And it would seem likely that those with the money to make that kind of double purchase probably bought into HDTV a while back.

But who knows. Just some thoughts off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]


people have been known to pick up a tv and a home theater set... [which can be around 400 dollars] people break bread during the holidays...
 
[quote name='Thomas96']people have been known to pick up a tv and a home theater set... [which can be around 400 dollars] people break bread during the holidays...[/QUOTE]

That's certainly true. Wonder if more people due that than buy an HD/BR player or a game console?

An HDTV and a surround set up are the two keys to a good home movie/tv/sports/gaming set up, so those should be the first two buys on anyones list.

But I'm sure many are fine with just TV and DVD Player and/or game console. I could never go back to not having surround sound though.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That's certainly true. Wonder if more people due that than buy an HD/BR player or a game console?

An HDTV and a surround set up are the two keys to a good home movie/tv/sports/gaming set up, so those should be the first two buys on anyones list.

But I'm sure many are fine with just TV and DVD Player and/or game console. I could never go back to not having surround sound though.[/QUOTE]


remember, there's been some sales throughout the year, where the PS3/360 was packaged with an HDTV, with one sale the 360 was free. Sony could have a sale, where if you buy a sony tv over 599, then you get a 100 dollar rebate off the PS3, or blu ray player. Or vice versa, if you buy PS3 and HDTV(sony) then you get a rebate off the tv. The point would be just to get people to at least look at a PS3 when they buy an HDTV, or at least look at a Sony HDTV when they buy a PS3. imo it'd be more of a marketing ploy than sale.
 
That's definitely a good idea marketing wise.

Not sure how many TVs Sony has between $599-1000 though, as the SDTVs are less than that, and most (perhaps all now) of their HDTVS are over $1000 MSRP. Only one I can recall seeing on sale for less than $1,000 was the 46in in the E2000 series, and those aren't being made anymore. So they'd probably have just do it on TV's $999 and up or something, and give more than $100 discount. At $1,000 plus, a $100 discount might not be enough enticement to shell out another $300+ for a PS3 for many.

But any kind of deal would certainly sell some more units.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']PC gaming is better then console gaming in every way shape and form. Its a fact.[/QUOTE]

Facts =! Opinions
Opinions =! Facts

Sorry, had to call you out on that.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']Yow, they certainly don't teach logical fallacies in schools these days.[/QUOTE]


one guy making a logical fallacy =! schools not teaching logic these days. :p jk
 
Have you guys been noticing what's being pushed via the commericals.. HD direct TV, HD Tivo, HDTV, HD cable services, etc... HD is the market that PS3 needs and its here. As HD gets pushed, the need for PS3 will rise.
 
Doesn't matter how much they push HD. If the prices don't come down then it won't work.

They also need to have instructions on how to actually get HD when you first turn the TV on as supposedly, most americans don't even have their HDTVs hooked up correctly.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Have you guys been noticing what's being pushed via the commericals.. HD direct TV, HD Tivo, HDTV, HD cable services, etc... HD is the market that PS3 needs and its here. As HD gets pushed, the need for PS3 will rise.[/QUOTE]

They HAVE to pusk HD with the government stepping in during 09 to take back analog frequencies

... that and people are so dumb about HDTV, they need to be schooled over and over on it
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Doesn't matter how much they push HD. If the prices don't come down then it won't work.

They also need to have instructions on how to actually get HD when you first turn the TV on as supposedly, most americans don't even have their HDTVs hooked up correctly.[/QUOTE]Lol, most Americans don't even understand how their HDTV works and doesn't even know HD resolutions. It's really sad.
 
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