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[quote name='ihadFG']Sure you can play Mario at 3, but it would probably be pretty hard, and you wouldn't even come close to beating it. Something like Sesame Street is intended to be more accessible for kids that age.[/QUOTE]

At 3, you don't care about finishing a game! It's about "oh, I can do this." And besides, the satisfaction of finishing the game when you're like... 5 would be immense.

It was for me with like... Mario Bros. 2. Good times.

When I was 3, I also had a Fisher Price game with shapes and shit, and Sesame Street: Big Bird's Hide & Speak.

I only played Mario.

Das Refinement.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']At 3, you don't care about finishing a game! It's about "oh, I can do this." And besides, the satisfaction of finishing the game when you're like... 5 would be immense.

It was for me with like... Mario Bros. 2. Good times.

When I was 3, I also had a Fisher Price game with shapes and shit, and Sesame Street: Big Bird's Hide & Speak.

I only played Mario.

Das Refinement.[/QUOTE]

Well not everyone only wants to play that kind of thing. Plus, Mario doesn't provide the same kind of educational value of something like Sesame Street. When I was a kid, I played plenty of Mario, but I also played educational stuff like Jump Start and a Mickey Mouse counting game, and I enjoyed those too.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Well not everyone only wants to play that kind of thing. Plus, Mario doesn't provide the same kind of educational value of something like Sesame Street. When I was a kid, I played plenty of Mario, but I also played educational stuff like Jump Start and a Mickey Mouse counting game, and I enjoyed those too.[/QUOTE]

I think there are better ways to learn than to have Elmo spoon feed you shit you should already know.

One popular alternative is school.
 
Sesame Street falls into educational. We're talking shovelware games that aren't telling kids to do 3+1=? to move their character forward. Like a spongebob game where you just walk around and whack shit. I wouldn't want a kid playing that.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']I watched people die in Ninja Gaiden.

Grew up fast.[/QUOTE]

You never grew up..

Neither did I.

That's why we're bros till the end.

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[quote name='Chacrana']I think there are better ways to learn than to have Elmo spoon feed you shit you should already know.

One popular alternative is school.[/QUOTE]

3 year olds aren't in school yet. But even so, kids don't always learn everything they should know in school. Games (and shows) like Sesame Street can help reinforce their education.
 
And seriously, Josh, despite my dickishness with these responses, I really do think this is an interesting conversation. Just wanna throw that out there, now that I'm slightly inebriated.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Sesame Street falls into educational. We're talking shovelware games that aren't telling kids to do 3+1=? to move their character forward. Like a spongebob game where you just walk around and whack shit. I wouldn't want a kid playing that.[/QUOTE]

Completely agreed. And that's why I think it's good to have developers who are actually passionate about what they do making some kids games.
 
I think kids should view educational entertainment as well, but that's another subject. A game that's a game, like a Mario, actually makes a kid think of things critically unlike 99% of kids games that you could buy for them.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']3 year olds aren't in school yet. But even so, kids don't always learn everything they should know in school. Games (and shows) like Sesame Street can help reinforce their education.[/QUOTE]

I was. Granted, I lived in the UK at the time, but still.

I just feel like educational games cheapen the medium as a whole.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I think there are better ways to learn than to have Elmo spoon feed you shit you should already know.

One popular alternative is school.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this is how I learned shit.

I wasn't homeschooled by hippie parents like Josh was. :nottalking:

[quote name='Chacrana']You never grew up..

Neither did I.

That's why we're bros till the end.

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[quote name='Chacrana']I was. Granted, I lived in the UK at the time, but still.

I just feel like educational games cheapen the medium as a whole.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Keep that shit to the iPads.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I was. Granted, I lived in the UK at the time, but still.

I just feel like educational games cheapen the medium as a whole.[/QUOTE]

I don't see how it cheapens the medium. The medium is broad and far reaching, even moreso than other mediums. Saying educational games cheapen gaming is like saying educational shows (such as Sesame Street) cheapen television. Everything has it's place, and it doesn't necessarily affect other things within the medium. If anything, it might bring some parents to an understanding that the medium is capable of positive effects. Plus I think that combining education and entertainment is a good way to make kids pay attention and actually retain what they learn.
 
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I wasn't homeschooled by hippie parents like Josh was. :nottalking:
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You can thank public schools for me turning out this way. ;)
 
[quote name='ihadFG']I don't see how it cheapens the medium. The medium is broad and far reaching, even moreso than other mediums. Saying educational games cheapen gaming is like saying educational shows (such as Sesame Street) cheapen television. Everything has it's place, and it doesn't necessarily affect other things within the medium. If anything, it might bring some parents to an understanding that the medium is capable of positive effects. Plus I think that combining education and entertainment is a good way to make kids pay attention and actually retain what they learn.[/QUOTE]

Unlike TV, gaming is still in relative infancy. People play a game on the Wii that consists solely of waggling and dumb shit and think to themselves "oh, all games are like that." A lot of people still think games are only for kids. The industry suffers from a crisis of image. I don't think games are established enough that they can cater to all audiences and still move forward. I feel we're at something of a standstill where gaming is trying to be all things to all people, and it's killing it.

fuck, this would be so much easier on skype. I've been typing all fucking day.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Unlike TV, gaming is still in relative infancy. People play a game on the Wii that consists solely of waggling and dumb shit and think to themselves "oh, all games are like that." A lot of people still think games are only for kids. The industry suffers from a crisis of image. I don't think games are established enough that they can cater to all audiences and still move forward. I feel we're at something of a standstill where gaming is trying to be all things to all people, and it's killing it.

fuck, this would be so much easier on skype. I've been typing all fucking day.[/QUOTE]

I think people of our generation understand that games are just like any other entertainment medium. I don't really care if my parent's generation gets it or not. Soon enough, we'll be that generation and games will be accepted for what they are, and not what people misinterpret them as.

And I may finally be able to rejoin the skype chat. My life has gotten considerably less busy as of today. Although first, time for Arkham City.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']I think people of our generation understand that games are just like any other entertainment medium. I don't really care if my parent's generation gets it or not. Soon enough, we'll be that generation and games will be accepted for what they are, and not what people misinterpret them as.

And I may finally be able to rejoin the skype chat. My life has gotten considerably less busy as of today. Although first, time for Arkham City.[/QUOTE]

I think even in our generation, there's a pretty poor perception of gaming. To a large extent, it's still seen as nerdy, and tha wimmen hate it, because bros spend all their time playin' dat calladuty. Obviously, it's viewed with more legitimacy than our parents' generation, but I feel like we're still far from the point of universal acceptance.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I think even in our generation, there's a pretty poor perception of gaming. To a large extent, it's still seen as nerdy, and tha wimmen hate it, because bros spend all their time playin' dat calladuty. Obviously, it's viewed with more legitimacy than our parents' generation, but I feel like we're still far from the point of universal acceptance.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but there are still people who view various genres of TV and movies the same way. The time will come when games are accepted more universally, and I don't think educational games are stopping that from happening. If anything, variety will only help to show people that games are capable of being more than toys. Either way, I know what games are capable of, so as long as I'm enjoying them, I don't care if it's considered nerdy or whatnot.
 
What the fuck did I miss? Josh, stop having an opinion. Chac, get more drunk so we can talk about how awesome Fist of the North Star is.
 
[quote name='distgfx']What the fuck did I miss? Josh, stop having an opinion. Chac, get more drunk so we can talk about how awesome Fist of the North Star is.[/QUOTE]

I'm there, babe.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']you gotta read all the posts for maximum effect, btw.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit, I just read it all and it was sweet.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']decision trees and recursion are so difficulty![/QUOTE]

Since when do you know anything about those topics?
 
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