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[quote name='whoknows']I thought Skyline was better...up until the end. Even though the ending to Battle LA was pretty much the ending to Independence Day.[/QUOTE]

idk, I hated Skyline. But I respect the movie cause it was decent for the budget it had. Also remember that there are supposed to be more Battle movies.
 
[quote name='refusedchaos']idk, I hated Skyline. But I respect the movie cause it was decent for the budget it had. Also remember that there are supposed to be more Battle movies.[/QUOTE]
Just curious, but what did you hate so much about it?

I know the ending is pretty much universally hated, but I thought it was a pretty decent movie.


I hope the other Battle movies are better. I wanted to like it, but just didn't.


JSP: I'm not impressed with your current love of live. I will be impressed if you're an entertaining drunk.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Just curious, but what did you hate so much about it?

I know the ending is pretty much universally hated, but I thought it was a pretty decent movie.


I hope the other Battle movies are better. I wanted to like it, but just didn't.


JSP: I'm not impressed with your current love of live. I will be impressed if you're an entertaining drunk.[/QUOTE]

Alright maybe hate is a lil strong, but I really just didnt like it. It felt boring to me. Yea, the ending was terrible. As far as the alien designs, kinda reminded me of the alien design for Duke Nukem Forever.
 
I think I just liked the view of normal people vs the view of extremely generic marines.

The characters in both weren't interesting or memorable at all, but at least Skyline had less characters to keep track of.
 
Well you know if aliens did invade it would be up to America to save the world :p


And it being $40 at BB is pretty crazy. I'm going to cancel my GS preorder and go buy it from BB.

And with that credit from GS I'm going to not buy bulletstorm. I'm considering homefront or just putting it towards MK.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Well you know if aliens did invade it would be up to America to save the world :p


And it being $40 at BB is pretty crazy. I'm going to cancel my GS preorder and go buy it from BB.

And with that credit from GS I'm going to not buy bulletstorm. I'm considering homefront or just putting it towards MK.[/QUOTE]

Oh yea ;D

Yea, im super pissed cause BB is just 5min away from me >.>

I would ether buy Bulletstorm or put it towards MK.
 
[quote name='refusedchaos']Alright maybe hate is a lil strong, but I really just didnt like it. It felt boring to me. Yea, the ending was terrible. As far as the alien designs, kinda reminded me of the alien design for Duke Nukem Forever.[/QUOTE]

There are pig cops in Battle LA?


[quote name='dallow']Been able to all day.[/QUOTE]

Hm I can now too. Before When I would click login it would just take me to my profile page and not actually log me in.
 
[quote name='BlueScrote']There are pig cops in Battle LA?
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No, they are intelligent beings that have more in common with looks like the Chimera's in Resistance, but more on the mechanical side.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I look better than normal.



On another note I went and saw Battle L.A. tonight and there was a guy looking at a Captain America poster so when I went up to it I just said loudly to my friend "Is that Superman?" and the dude was like "hey guys. It's Captain America"[/QUOTE]
Man, if that was me in the theatre with you, you could have trolled me so hard. When it comes to comics and comic movies I'm so easy :cry:

[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']forget to play games laid in bed with cocaine girl instead

idk if you guys are playing mvc3 tomorrow night but i guess we're drinking vodka in my dorm room. it will be unlikely i will check in[/QUOTE]
That's cool, JSP! Get dat booty over duty. :cool:
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']Man, if that was me in the theatre with you, you could have trolled me so hard. When it comes to comics and comic movies I'm so easy :cry:


That's cool, JSP! Get dat booty over duty. :cool:[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't have been trolled. I would've made snarky comments to my friends and walked off laughing.
 
Have Fable 3 on it's way to me from Goozex. Surprised that got matched up relatively quickly...have had AC: Brotherhood on my requests a lot longer.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424430[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='seanr1221']http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424430[/QUOTE]

I don't really see what the big deal is, I highly doubt the company told him to do it, maybe they suggested it, but I think in that case there would have been more of those types of reviews. Probably more likely he reviewed the game himself, and ya he probably is fairly skewed since he worked on it and he is probably to some degree proud of the game, but it isn't like user reviews aren't typically skewed as hell or totally bogus anyways.
 
[quote name='icebeast']I don't really see what the big deal is, I highly doubt the company told him to do it, maybe they suggested it, but I think in that case there would have been more of those types of reviews. Probably more likely he reviewed the game himself, and ya he probably is fairly skewed since he worked on it and he is probably to some degree proud of the game, but it isn't like user reviews aren't typically skewed as hell or totally bogus anyways.[/QUOTE]

There is no problem with someone reviewing their own product, as long as they state clearly they work with the company (they don't even have to work with said product, but their opinion is still slightly skewed). The problem with this, is that the review criticizes people that consider the flaws in the game to be bluntly state "moronic" to believe that they are game flaws.

Of course user reviews are constantly be hammered with fanboyisms and the such, but getting caught is not part of the cover up. It isn't like reviewers today do not get tons of swag for writing reviews for games and it isn't like they pay for the game either. But the results ended with a person getting caught and the reviews being taken down. The internet will troll this until something else is video game news worthy.

DA2 is a disappointment to me. DA:O was a great RPG, but DA2 was a big step backwards in terms of gameplay and RPG elements. Sequels are suppose to be better, especially coming from a developer like Bioware.
 
[quote name='icebeast']I don't really see what the big deal is, I highly doubt the company told him to do it, maybe they suggested it, but I think in that case there would have been more of those types of reviews. Probably more likely he reviewed the game himself, and ya he probably is fairly skewed since he worked on it and he is probably to some degree proud of the game, but it isn't like user reviews aren't typically skewed as hell or totally bogus anyways.[/QUOTE]

Icebeast, I love ya, but a dev giving his own game a 10 where a site takes the average of all user reviews is kinda sketchy. If it were on some random site where it didn't contribute to an average, then sure, whatever. However, doing this is fairly sad considering he might have been attempting to skew the average in some way and failed horribly. Do we actually know whether or not he did it with that intention? No, but it is still disappointing that a dev would do this knowing full well that this contributes to a greater average.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']I might care a little more of this wasn't a user review...

Honestly the user review section for DA2 is a complete joke right now.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but they're just trolls, like me. Except I wouldn't go through that effort just because I don't like a game based on a demo. This is a dev who contributed, so it's a bigger deal.
 
[quote name='j-cart']The problem with this, is that the review criticizes people that consider the flaws in the game to be bluntly state "moronic" to believe that they are game flaws.[/QUOTE]

I can honestly say I haven't seen the whole review or care to, but from what it said in the part that was shown in that picture I didn't get what you said at all, "Anything negative you'll see about this game is an overreaction of personal preference." That says to me that he thinks people are over reacting to flaws they see in the game, not that he thinks they are moronic.

[quote name='distgfx']However, doing this is fairly sad considering he might have been attempting to skew the average in some way and failed horribly. Do we actually know whether or not he did it with that intention? No, but it is still disappointing that a dev would do this knowing full well that this contributes to a greater average.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying it isn't a bit sad, haha. But, you know how when you have a kid and you see him getting bullied by a bunch of other kids you fly in to defend him; I feel like that is kind of what this is; this game is this guy's baby and he wanted to have his say about why the game he worked on was so great. I'll agree that he could have mentioned that he worked for Bioware, but I'm fairly sure his company probably wouldn't have liked that since in my opinion he did this on his own without his company telling him to do it or approving of it.
 
[quote name='distgfx']Yes, but they're just trolls, like me. Except I wouldn't go through that effort just because I don't like a game based on a demo. This is a dev who contributed, so it's a bigger deal.[/QUOTE]

No, they are probably trolls that A) love the first game and are unhappy with with the direction DA2 went or B) PC gamers...lol.
 
[quote name='icebeast']I'm not saying it isn't a bit sad, haha. But, you know how when you have a kid and you see him getting bullied by a bunch of other kids you fly in to defend him; I feel like that is kind of what this is; this game is this guy's baby and he wanted to have his say about why the game he worked on was so great. I'll agree that he could have mentioned that he worked for Bioware, but I'm fairly sure his company probably wouldn't have liked that since in my opinion he did this on his own without his company telling him to do it or approving of it.[/QUOTE]

True, but he really should have gone about it a different way if that's the case.

[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']No, they are trolls that A) love the first game and are unhappy with with the direction DA2 went or B) PC gamers...lol.[/QUOTE]

You read the troll reviews? You put more effort into it than I did, I just assumed they hated it for no reason and wanted to completely annihilate the review average.
 
[quote name='distgfx']You read the troll reviews? You put more effort into it than I did, I just assumed they hated it for no reason and wanted to completely annihilate the review average.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think I wasted any of my time reading those?
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']What makes you think I wasted any of my time reading those?[/QUOTE]

You knew the specific category of trolls infesting the reviews.
 
The people that wrote the bad reviews on Metacritic probably would've made a bigger statement if they sent letters to Bioware reasonably stating their disappointment in DA2 rather than just writing user reviews.
 
[quote name='distgfx']You knew the specific category of trolls infesting the reviews.[/QUOTE]

Not really something that difficult to figure out.

[quote name='FriskyTanuki']The people that wrote the bad reviews on Metacritic probably would've made a bigger statement if they sent letters to Bioware reasonably stating their disappointment in DA2 rather than just writing user reviews.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, It's be great if that's how people dealt with it.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']Not really something that difficult to figure out. [/QUOTE]

What about for somebody who knows dick about why people would be mad?

[quote name='hankmecrankme']fuck letters.

Email, son. It's 2011.[/QUOTE]

Spam folders, bro. Takes more effort to throw away a letter.
 
[quote name='distgfx']Icebeast, I love ya, but a dev giving his own game a 10 where a site takes the average of all user reviews is kinda sketchy. If it were on some random site where it didn't contribute to an average, then sure, whatever. However, doing this is fairly sad considering he might have been attempting to skew the average in some way and failed horribly. Do we actually know whether or not he did it with that intention? No, but it is still disappointing that a dev would do this knowing full well that this contributes to a greater average.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? The user review section for all 3 platforms of DA2 are a joke. They all average at a 3-4 out of 10. A single 10 out of 10 is hardly going to make a difference. To me, a dude reviewing his own game a 10 out of 10 is not nearly as bad as all the trolls who gave the game a 0 or 1. Obviously they are the ones having an impact on the overall score. If this were the professional review section, this would be a different story. If Bioware were getting all their employees to do this, it would still be a different story. But one guy doing this vs. the hundreds that seem to be trolling the reviews? Nah, especially when nobody is really going to care about the user average for the game unless they are an idiot.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']To me, a dude reviewing his own game a 10 out of 10 is not nearly as bad as all the trolls who gave the game a 0 or 1.[/QUOTE]

To me, it's worse since it's his own game. But hey, to each their own.
 
Oh come on, every casual "reviewer" is either going to go 1-2/10 or 8-10/10. It will average out. And when it does, what does that number even mean anyways? How good the game is?

Reviewing your own game is sleezy -- it is 100x worse than a casual review you think is unfair. I'd love to think that DA2 is getting unjust hate here, but it probably isn't based on what I've seen/played of it. There really isn't an excuse to release something like that, let alone pretend that it's a perfect game -- that just shows arrogance and it's not a good sign for the 3rd installment.
 
[quote name='distgfx']To me, it's worse since it's his own game. But hey, to each their own.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='panzerfaust']Oh come on, every casual "reviewer" is either going to go 1-2/10 or 8-10/10. It will average out. And when it does, what does that number even mean anyways? How good the game is?

Reviewing your own game is sleezy -- it is 100x worse than a casual review you think is unfair. I'd love to think that DA2 is getting unjust hate here, but it probably isn't based on what I've seen/played of it. There really isn't an excuse to release something like that, let alone pretend that it's a perfect game -- that just shows arrogance and it's not a good sign for the 3rd installment.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying a single troll review is worse, but I am saying that the fact that hundreds of people gave the game a 0 most likely without even playing more than the demo is a lot worse than a single dev giving his own game a 10. And based on what I've played of DA2 I don't see anything wrong with giving the game a 10, because I've had no issues with it so far. I don't think anyone can honestly say the game deserves a 0 though.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']I'd love to think that DA2 is getting unjust hate here, but it probably isn't based on what I've seen/played of it.[/QUOTE]

Nah, it's definitely getting a lot of that. Which isn't really that surprising since this is a much different game than DAO.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']Nah, it's definitely getting a lot of that. Which isn't really that surprising since this is a much different game than DAO.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, as someone who loved DA:O, I absolutely think the hate some people are giving it is unjust. Sure, they changed a few things. In my opinion, mostly for the better. But even if people think the game is worse in every way, that in no way justifies the level of hate it is getting. The game still feels like Dragon Age. And it isn't a bad game.
 
Yes, a 100 reviews of '0' are much more meaningful to the score than one '10'. But we're talking about the nature of the review, not its effect on the aggregate score.

Bioware is far from being a humble developer, and it shows with this guy's take on his own game.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Yes, a 100 reviews of '0' are much more meaningful to the score than one '10'. But we're talking about the nature of the review, not its effect on the aggregate score.

Bioware is far from being a humble developer, and it shows with this guy's take on his own game.[/QUOTE]

I think hundreds of 0 reviews are worse by nature of the review because those are what makes user review averages meaningless, and they are completely exaggerated. I doubt that a single person there actually thinks the game is the worst game ever made, but the reviews would lead you to believe that. I'd rather someone on a user review site be dishonest about their identity and be slightly biased than someone who is dishonest in their review score.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Bioware is far from being a humble developer, and it shows with this guy's take on his own game.[/QUOTE]

I think you will find that most people are usually proud of something that they worked hard to finish.
 
[quote name='icebeast']I think you will find that most people are usually proud of something that they worked hard to finish.[/QUOTE]

Yep. That Bioware employee just happened to be the one to get caught. It is also a single employee, who doesn't represent Bioware as a whole.
 
[quote name='icebeast']I think you will find that most people are usually proud of something that they worked hard to finish.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I feel very strongly for developers who put work into game only to have them hated -- that must be a terrible experience. But there's being proud of your work, and then there's learning from your mistakes.

I take the implications of a 10/10 score very seriously, and I know ihadFG is an honest guy -- so I look forward to trying the game out when it drops in price. Many great games in the past aren't always resoundingly popular and don't receive AAA scores as they should. DA2 could be another one of those cases.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Honestly, I feel very strong for developers who put work into game only to have them hated -- that must be a terrible experience. But there's being proud of your work, and then there's learning from your mistakes.

I take the implications of a 10/10 score very seriously, and I know ihadFG is an honest guy -- so I look forward to trying the game out when it drops in price. Many great games in the past aren't always resoundingly popular and don't receive AAA scores as they should. DA2 could be another one of those cases.[/QUOTE]

I'm actually really proud of the critic reviews for DA2. They are spread out all the way from a 50 to a 100 on metacritic. I think this is probably an accurate representation of how people will actually feel towards the game. It is something that is undoubtedly going to garner mixed opinions. And I can fully understand someone having an opinion anywhere within that range. It would be nice if people didn't feel the need to give a game a 0 just because they were disappointed with a few aspects, and in turn lead a developer to have to come in and try to defend the game. I think if people were more honest and constructive with their critiques, Bioware employees would be more likely to take those critiques and try to fix them, rather than just try to defend the game. In this instance, I can completely see why Bioware would and should be defensive.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']But there's being proud of your work, and then there's learning from your mistakes.[/QUOTE]

And those aren't mutually exclusive, and in fact aren't opposing at all. It is very easy to be proud of something that you worked on but feel like there are things that could have been done better or improved, especially on a project that has a deadline.
 
It's not being defensive, it's just incredibly shallow and arrogant. Opinions of the game aside -- I don't care if we're talking DA2 or Quantum Theory -- you don't go around giving your own work a perfect score, or any score. That is the definition of a douche canoe.

It is only one man, so hopefully not everyone at the studio is like that. But Bioware has said arrogant shit about other developers in the past. Getting poor feedback on one of their games is pretty new to them.

[quote name='icebeast']And those aren't mutually exclusive, and in fact aren't opposing at all. It is very easy to be proud of something that you worked on but feel like there are things that could have been done better or improved, especially on a project that has a deadline.[/QUOTE]


I agree, but in the case of a review, it's saying "hey, I'm proud of my work, and no mistakes were made."
 
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