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GOODBYE, AMERICA! IT WAS FUN WHILE IT LASTED
February 11, 2009


It's bad enough when illiterate jurors issue damages awards in the billions of dollars because they don't grasp the difference between a million and a billion. Now it turns out the Democrats don't know the difference between a million and a trillion.

Why not make the "stimulus bill" a kazillion dollars?

All Americans who work for a living, or who plan to work for a living sometime in the next century, are about to be stuck with a trillion-dollar bill to fund yet more oppressive government bureaucracies. Or as I call it, a trillion dollars and change.

The stimulus bill isn't as bad as we had expected -- it's much worse. Instead of merely creating useless, make-work jobs digging ditches -- or "shovel-ready," in the Democrats' felicitous phrase -- the "stimulus" bill will create an endless army of government bureaucrats aggressively intervening in our lives. Instead of digging ditches, American taxpayers will be digging our own graves.

There are hundreds of examples in the 800-page "stimulus" bill, but here are just two.

First, the welfare bureaucrats are coming back.

For half a century, the welfare establishment had the bright idea to pay women to have children out of wedlock. Following the iron laws of economics -- subsidize something, you get more of it; tax it, you get less of it -- the number of children being born out of wedlock skyrocketed.

The 1996 Welfare Reform bill marked the first time any government entitlement had ever been rolled back. Despite liberal howling and foot-stomping, not subsidizing illegitimacy led, like night into day, to less illegitimacy.

Welfare recipients got jobs, as the hard-core unemployables were coaxed away from their TV sets and into the workforce. For the first time in decades, the ever-increasing illegitimacy rate stopped spiraling upward.

As proof that that welfare reform was a smashing success, a few years later, Bill Clinton started claiming full credit for the bill.

Well, that's over. The stimulus bill goes a long way toward repealing the work requirement of the 1996 Republican Welfare Reform bill and rewards states that increase their welfare caseloads by paying unwed mothers to sit home doing nothing.

Second, bureaucrats at Health and Human Services will electronically collect every citizen's complete medical records and determine appropriate medical care.

Judging by the care that the State Department took with private visa records last year, that the Ohio government took with Joe the Plumber's government records, that the Pentagon took with Linda Tripp's employment records in 1998, and that the FBI took with thousands of top secret "raw" background files in President Clinton's first term, the bright side is: We'll finally be able to find out if Bill Clinton has syphilis -- all thanks to the stimulus bill!

HHS bureaucrats will soon be empowered to overrule your doctor. Doctors who don't comply with the government's treatment protocols will be fined. That's right: Instead of your treatment being determined by your doctor, it will be settled on by some narcoleptic half-wit in Washington who couldn't get a job in the private sector.

And a brand-new set of bureaucrats in the newly created office of "National Coordinator of Health Information Technology" will be empowered to cut off treatments that merely prolong life. Sorry, Mom and Pop, Big Brother said it's time to go.

At every other workplace in the nation -- even Wal-Mart! -- workers are being laid off. But no one at any of the bloated government bureaucracies ever need fear receiving a pink slip. All 64,750 employees at the department of Health and Human Services are apparently absolutely crucial to the smooth functioning of the department.

With the stimulus bill, liberals plan to move unfirable government workers into every activity in America, where they will superintend all aspects of our lives.

Also, thanks to the stimulus bill, the private sector will gradually shrivel and die. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the cost of servicing the bill's nearly trillion-dollar debt will shrink the economy within a decade.

Robert Kennedy famously said: "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?'"

The new liberal version is: There are those who look at things and ask, "Why on earth should the government be paying for that?" I dream of things that never were funded by the government and ask, "Why not?"

http://www.anncoulter.com/
 
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After reading the title, I assumed the stupid whore was going to kill herself. I became sad when I realized this was not the case. Sigh.
 
[quote name='HowStern']There isn't a single human being on earth that takes this woman seriously, is there?[/quote]

Bill Maher is one of her best friends and he rags on her all the time.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Well, thanks, Ann, for writing, that, insightful article.

How many, books, has she, sold?[/QUOTE]
LOL, Cochesecocheese, I was thinking, the very same thing, during the time, I read the article.
 
can we end this medical care lie right now?

There is nothing is the bill that allows this or stipulates fines. It was a talking point fabricated by a GOP writer in a Bloomberg commentary piece.
 
Good times.

The 1996 Welfare Reform bill marked the first time any government entitlement had ever been rolled back.
Can it be? Is it possible that a super insane partisan like Ann could have made a factual error involving Ronald Reagan? Unpossible.

Judging by the care that the State Department took with private visa records last year, that the Ohio government took with Joe the Plumber's government records
We should definitely go to the private sector if we want secure systems. Maybe we should ask TJX and Heartland, between them having exposed 125+million credit accounts involving over 40 banks last year alone?

In reality, the break-in "ratio" is about 50/50, though the TJX and Heartland breaches were certainly the most expensive.. and may end up being the worst up to this point (that they admit).

http://datalossdb.org/yearly_reports/dataloss-2008.pdf

Nevermind. Doesn't support the argument so let's omit it. Then again, who am I kidding. The next line refers to Bill Clinton's syphilis.

that the Pentagon took with Linda Tripp's employment records in 1998, and that the FBI took with thousands of top secret "raw" background files in President Clinton's first term, the bright side is: We'll finally be able to find out if Bill Clinton has syphilis -- all thanks to the stimulus bill!
I'm sorry, I forgot what she was talking about. How many Clinton references is that so far?

HHS bureaucrats will soon be empowered to overrule your doctor. Doctors who don't comply with the government's treatment protocols will be fined. That's right: Instead of your treatment being determined by your doctor, it will be settled on some narcoleptic half-wit in Washington who couldn't get a job in the private sector.
Prove those statements unambiguously. Capitalizt, Thrust, or anyone else falling over themselves to support this.. I'd prefer some factual data to back this up.
And a brand-new set of bureaucrats in the newly created office of "National Coordinator of Health Information Technology" will be empowered to cut off treatments that merely prolong life. Sorry, Mom and Pop, Big Brother said it's time to go.
Um, what?
With the stimulus bill, liberals plan to move unfirable government workers into every activity in America, where they will superintend all aspects of our lives.
Because regulation got us in this mess. I keep forgetting. Also, we should lower taxes.
Also, thanks to the stimulus bill, the private sector will gradually shrivel and die. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the cost of servicing the bill's nearly trillion-dollar debt will shrink the economy within a decade.
Someone should have told Ronald Reagan that taking on debt to spur an economy is a bad idea. He burned through (not adjusted) $2.3T 25 years ago and that seemed to have worked out ok.

Did I miss anything pertinent? I didn't find the piece much more than her standard fare.
 
She's right.. Why spend all that money (even if its fake money) on our country, when there's so many more countries to invade. Who needs roads fixed. Lets send kids and poor people to kill, blow shit up and get blown up!! Sick godless Liberals!!
 
[quote name='speedracer']Good times.


1. Can it be? Is it possible that a super insane partisan like Ann could have made a factual error involving Ronald Reagan? Unpossible.



2. Nevermind. Doesn't support the argument so let's omit it. Then again, who am I kidding. The next line refers to Bill Clinton's syphilis.
[/QUOTE]

1. what are you talking about? no really, you lost me with the comment.

2. there are people who think bill has something wrong with his brain based on the way he he acted during hillarys campaign. now that hes out of the public eye so are his medical records, so people can throw anything out there. syphilis is one of those things.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']1. what are you talking about? no really, you lost me with the comment.[/quote]
Ronald Reagan slashed government spending on social programs, even as he ballooned military spending. Ann suggesting that:
The 1996 Welfare Reform bill marked the first time any government entitlement had ever been rolled back.
is... dumb.

Should have said that better up there.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Ronald Reagan slashed government spending on social programs, even as he ballooned military spending. Ann suggesting that:

is... dumb.

Should have said that better up there.[/QUOTE]

ok i get what youre saying now.

edit: also, following up on my bill clinton thing, there are also people who think he might of suffered from a rare side effect from his heart surgery where brain funciton is premenantly affected due to lack of oxygen during the surgery. ill google more later and post links maybe, see how lazy i am when i get home.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2008other/080412clinton.htm

i think the syphillis thing is silly and a lot less plausable than the one above. it can cause brain damage if it goes untreated, but it is easily treatable and i think some people just use it as a low blow in reference to clintons sexual past.
 
Coulter's right. Government spending is ludicrous. We should cut taxes, because that helped the economy under grow under Reagan and Bush 2, with no growth in the national debt whatsoever.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Coulter's right. Government spending is ludicrous. We should cut taxes, because that helped the economy under grow under Reagan and Bush 2, with no growth in the national debt whatsoever.[/quote]

 
Not sure what credibility Capitalizt had prior to this thread but I know how much of it he just lost



the answer is 100%, in case there was any doubt
 
Yall can have a grudge against Coulter if you wish.. It doesn't change the fact that 95% of what she said in the article is true. This stimulus bill is a f*cking nightmare that expands the beuraucracy immensely and is taking huge strides towards a welfare state and full blown socialism.
 
I wouldn't know because I'm not going to read anything Coulter writes, ever.

Thinking about anything she says or does in any capacity is no different than taking Andy Kaufman seriously. She's a fraud. That's her whole thing, to say/do things she doesn't actually believe/think and hope people take her seriously.

If you ever take Coulter seriously, you're giving her what she wants and become part of the problem.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket'] If Andy Kaufman said something that made sense [/QUOTE]

I don't think you know how Andy Kaufman's comedy worked.
 
[quote name='Capitalizt']Yall can have a grudge against Coulter if you wish.. It doesn't change the fact that 95% of what she said in the article is true. This stimulus bill is a f*cking nightmare that expands the beuraucracy immensely and is taking huge strides towards a welfare state and full blown socialism.[/QUOTE]

It's "95% true" to you because you're scared to death to find out that Keynesian economic theory is correct. It's only "true" or "false" insomuch as it disagrees with your political philosophy.

Which, since it's an opinion piece, is largely subjective. It's like posting an article written by that doofus Guy Fierri (sp?) from the Food Network: "TGI Friday's: Best Ever or BEST EVER?" and saying that the points he makes are '95% true.' They are not only not 95% true, they CAN'T BE 95% true. It's a fucking opinion. We can't attach a level of quantifiable truth to deep fried green beans and ranch dressing (why am I not surprised that it was ranch dressing?).

Her points sate your ego because, as a libertarian, you only worship in one god; you don't want to find out that the other god(s) may not only exist, but be better. I, as a big ol' lib-r'l, have had to sit through 8 years of tax cuts as a means of helping the economy move forward, of creating incentives for businesses to move jobs outside the US, 8 years of behavior that led to AIG, Lehman Bros, Citi, Madoff, Enron, GM, Ford, Chrysler, that's led to 41 million without health care, that's led to 100% growth of our national debt in fewer than 8 years...and NOW.

NOW.

NOW?!!?!?! Y'all are outraged that someone we elected to office PRECISELY because he doesn't think like a supply-side numbskull is proposing legislation that is antithetical to supply-side numbskullery?

Get the fuck over yourselves. Obama was dumb enough to give the GOP tax cut fuckers what they wanted in the stimulus bill before they began negotiations, so they whined about what they didn't get (more of what they already got), got more of that even, and then didn't vote for the thing anyway. So it's 35% tax cuts, which is the same poisonous policies that were the domain of the man Coulter championed (champions?) since 2000. I now witness monies being cut to public elementary schools in the counties that surround me at all levels by 2011. Big government my ass.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Zealot or not, she's right.[/quote]

[quote name='Capitalizt']I don't care how insane she is most of the time...She nailed this one.[/quote]


I hate to admit it, but I agree. I think message is overlooked because of the track record of the messenger. I can't stand that woman, but I think she made some valid points.
 
Alright. We're all big boys here with boy boy britches on.

So maybe one of you could tell me what the fuck I'm supposed to do now? This all goes on the assumption that we're all royally screwed, like that one guy in Office Space who deals with the goddamn customers.

Let's steer as FAR AWAY FROM POLITICAL PARTY DOUBLETHINK as possible please.

Assume I can't do a goddamn thing about what DC says. Assume I'm no lobbyist, I have no political ties, no men in the backroom that can give me sweet deals, or any other hypothetical black market bullshit.

I'm a simple American, with the need to pay off rent, buy food, and get to work.

So what the fuck do I do now? Do I not put money in banks? Do I get rid of my car? What's the damned solution? If we're all out there to agree that Congress apparently doesn't give two shits about me, then what the fuck do I do?

Seems like the answer is "work and pray you don't get sick," which sounds medieval even in the BEST of lights. Spiraling debt based on a bunch of factors I don't get to control, and I'm the one that's being left with the bill, and I've got no goddamn clue how to pay it all off or fix the precipitating problems.

Maybe we need to stop talking about bullshit we don't agree with or can't change, and instead focus on pure hard solutions we can enact.

I think I'm going to start donating plasma. Actual plasma. The kind they have to take out of my arm, you sick punks. It's a start.
 
Some options:

1) Keep doin' what yer doin', don't believe the hype. We're in bad economic shape, but any hyenas who defended the Bush administration's economic policies have as much to say about deficit spending as Jack Kevorkian at a National Right to Life rally. This stimulus may fix things, or it may not fix things, but the market will not end up as bad as the doom and gloom folks think.

2) Be afraid of inflation risks.

3) Be afraid of deflation risks.

4) Smoke 'em if you got 'em, cuz we're going down.
 
End of Days.

While I hate Ann Coulter, and I don't mind socialism one bit, I think our country has gotten out of hand giving money away freely.

My friends we are getting assraped and there is nothing we can do about it.
 
Nailed it my ass.

[quote name='Coulter']There are hundreds of examples in the 800-page "stimulus" bill, but here are just two.
[/quote]

Finally some meat! I thought this was just going to be you masturbating in front of a mirror.

[quote name='Coulter']First, the welfare bureaucrats are coming back.

For half a century, the welfare establishment had the bright idea to pay women to have children out of wedlock. Following the iron laws of economics -- subsidize something, you get more of it; tax it, you get less of it -- the number of children being born out of wedlock skyrocketed.

The 1996 Welfare Reform bill marked the first time any government entitlement had ever been rolled back. Despite liberal howling and foot-stomping, not subsidizing illegitimacy led, like night into day, to less illegitimacy.

Welfare recipients got jobs, as the hard-core unemployables were coaxed away from their TV sets and into the workforce. For the first time in decades, the ever-increasing illegitimacy rate stopped spiraling upward.

As proof that that welfare reform was a smashing success, a few years later, Bill Clinton started claiming full credit for the bill.

Well, that's over. The stimulus bill goes a long way toward repealing the work requirement of the 1996 Republican Welfare Reform bill and rewards states that increase their welfare caseloads by paying unwed mothers to sit home doing nothing.[/quote]

Scaaary. How much is this really going to cost? Also, please compare to the useless wars we're now fighting. While I agree that buying scarlet A's for every mother who has a kid out of wedlock would be cheaper, as human beings I think we have a moral duty to provide basic services to kids even when they're born to women like the octuplet mother. Maybe we could come up with a better solution, like a healthcare system instead of a loose patchwork of specialty services that allows a mentally disturbed woman like the octuplet mom an opportunity to shop around for a dangerous and completely wasteful medical procedure until she can find a doctor who is unscrupulous enough to comply.

[quote name='Coulter']Second, bureaucrats at Health and Human Services will electronically collect every citizen's complete medical records and determine appropriate medical care.

Judging by the care that the State Department took with private visa records last year, that the Ohio government took with Joe the Plumber's government records, that the Pentagon took with Linda Tripp's employment records in 1998, and that the FBI took with thousands of top secret "raw" background files in President Clinton's first term, the bright side is: We'll finally be able to find out if Bill Clinton has syphilis -- all thanks to the stimulus bill!

HHS bureaucrats will soon be empowered to overrule your doctor. Doctors who don't comply with the government's treatment protocols will be fined. That's right: Instead of your treatment being determined by your doctor, it will be settled on by some narcoleptic half-wit in Washington who couldn't get a job in the private sector.

And a brand-new set of bureaucrats in the newly created office of "National Coordinator of Health Information Technology" will be empowered to cut off treatments that merely prolong life. Sorry, Mom and Pop, Big Brother said it's time to go.

At every other workplace in the nation -- even Wal-Mart! -- workers are being laid off. But no one at any of the bloated government bureaucracies ever need fear receiving a pink slip. All 64,750 employees at the department of Health and Human Services are apparently absolutely crucial to the smooth functioning of the department.[/quote]

Because hospitals would never order unnessary MRIs on the taxpayer's dime (aka Medicare) to boost profits. Because every patient getting government-funded health service should be able to buy name-brand drugs when generics will cost less and do the same job. Because there is no waste in the system that could be curbed with some regulation.

It's going to be tough. And there are going to be bad calls, and you can bet your life I'll be posting up every one. But you can't just funnel funds into a haphazard patchwork of specialty medical services and expect to get your money's worth. We need regulation, we need a system if we want quality healthcare at a reasonable price.

[quote name='Coulter']Also, thanks to the stimulus bill, the private sector will gradually shrivel and die. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the cost of servicing the bill's nearly trillion-dollar debt will shrink the economy within a decade.[/quote]

Yeah, don't bother justifying that paragraph with figures. Just juxtapose two sentences together and make the lazy reader think that the CBO is sounding a death-nell for the private sector. I'm sure the private sector would be expanding like a balloon without the stimulus bill, the pending recession will obviously be the fault of the stimulus bill and have nothing to do with the housing crisis.
 
I read that as, "grab your ankles..."

[quote name='mykevermin']Some options:

1) Keep doin' what yer doin', don't believe the hype. We're in bad economic shape, but any hyenas who defended the Bush administration's economic policies have as much to say about deficit spending as Jack Kevorkian at a National Right to Life rally. This stimulus may fix things, or it may not fix things, but the market will not end up as bad as the doom and gloom folks think.

2) Be afraid of inflation risks.

3) Be afraid of deflation risks.

4) Smoke 'em if you got 'em, cuz we're going down.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Strell']I'm a simple American, with the need to pay off rent, buy food, and get to work.

So what the fuck do I do now? Do I not put money in banks? Do I get rid of my car? What's the damned solution? If we're all out there to agree that Congress apparently doesn't give two shits about me, then what the fuck do I do?

Seems like the answer is "work and pray you don't get sick," which sounds medieval even in the BEST of lights. Spiraling debt based on a bunch of factors I don't get to control, and I'm the one that's being left with the bill, and I've got no goddamn clue how to pay it all off or fix the precipitating problems.

Maybe we need to stop talking about bullshit we don't agree with or can't change, and instead focus on pure hard solutions we can enact.[/quote]

Blue-collar Americans are screwed, as much as I hate the thought I think it's the truth. The executive class is trying to figure out how to outsource all of the white collar jobs now. Once that happens we'll look more like the third world countries we outsource to - two classes, the super rich and those living in poverty.

Best thing to do is learn a skilled trade and ride it out. That way you can escape to Canada or Europe if/when the shit really hits the fan.
 
Yes, it's much better that we perform insufficient diagnostics than extraneous ones. It's much better to just let our grandparents die because, well, they were old anyways.

If this bill passes, I hope everyone in your family over 60 gets cancer so we can watch you do an about face about how badly the government is fucking your family over by withholding necessary treatment.

The politicians don't give a shit, if they have a cough they're going to get flown to Europe to see 37 specialists on our dime. But that's ok because if they died, we'd be lost without them.

You honestly think the government will handle the treatments with our wellbeing in mind? You're as fucking cracked as you say Coulter is. If this bill passes, you MIGHT get a cough drop for that lung you just threw up. Do you think it's more likely that big pharma is going to suddenly turn into a bunch of altruistic saints over night because now the government dictates procedure? fuck no. They'll just lobby to have their magic pill be the only recommended treatment, but unfortunately, they won't be able to supply for the demand and prices will double.

They're already both fucking us in the ass and you think giving the government MORE control is going to make things better?

[quote name='camoor']
Because hospitals would never order unnessary MRIs on the taxpayer's dime (aka Medicare) to boost profits. Because every patient getting government-funded health service should be able to buy name-brand drugs when generics will cost less and do the same job. Because there is no waste in the system that could be curbed with some regulation.
[/quote]
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']End of Days.

While I hate Ann Coulter, and I don't mind socialism one bit, I think our country has gotten out of hand giving money away freely.

My friends we are getting assraped and there is nothing we can do about it.[/QUOTE]
We got assraped 3 years ago. It's just that you're only now feeling it.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Yes, it's much better that we perform insufficient diagnostics than extraneous ones. It's much better to just let our grandparents die because, well, they were old anyways.

If this bill passes, I hope everyone in your family over 60 gets cancer so we can watch you do an about face about how badly the government is fucking your family over by withholding necessary treatment.

The politicians don't give a shit, if they have a cough they're going to get flown to Europe to see 37 specialists on our dime. But that's ok because if they died, we'd be lost without them.

You honestly think the government will handle the treatments with our wellbeing in mind? You're as fucking cracked as you say Coulter is. If this bill passes, you MIGHT get a cough drop for that lung you just threw up. Do you think it's more likely that big pharma is going to suddenly turn into a bunch of altruistic saints over night because now the government dictates procedure? fuck no. They'll just lobby to have their magic pill be the only recommended treatment, but unfortunately, they won't be able to supply for the demand and prices will double.

They're already both fucking us in the ass and you think giving the government MORE control is going to make things better?[/quote]

Govt already has control - they are doling out healthcare money and subsidizing hospitals. I'd just like more control on how my taxpayer money is spent. Why should medicare act like a big healthcare ATM, putting patients with no healthcare training in charge of how they spend my tax money, catering to useless tests and unneeded care that clogs the system. You know that you and I work with a health insurance company that is ten times worse then any govt regulator - and that's if we're lucky enough to have health care at all.

I'll tell you this - I trust a govt regulator a heck of alot more then I trust a health insurance company representative. One is governed by rules and regulations, the other acts as a cog in a vast cost center machine that just wants to fatten its bottom line at your expense.

I want a more responsible govt, I want our govt to get the same drug deals from big pharma that countries like Canada and the UK get. fuck the corporations, if they don't like it we'll deal with their competitors - that's capitalism, not the collusive political-corporate pharmaceutical mess we wade in now.

It's unfair of you to wish ill on my family. I want the best care for them and for every American. But what we have isn't a healthcare system - it's a loose patchwork where every patient is set adrift, you're shuttled around from specialist to specialist like a pinball in the bunkers, and you're lucky when you get the treatment you need. Let's change that instead of pretending that what we have represents capitalism and the best care in the world - because that is patently false on both accounts.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's "95% true" to you because you're scared to death to find out that Keynesian economic theory is correct. It's only "true" or "false" insomuch as it disagrees with your political philosophy.
.[/quote]

We witnessed the first failure of Keynesianism the 70s and are seeing a recurrence on a much larger scale today. This crises was ultimately caused by government intervention and politicians are now prolonging it by government intervention. If the past few years have taught you anything, it should be that Keynesianism is an abject failure. Wake up buddy.
 
I want to have an orgy with the models in the SI Swim Suit issue. I think my odds are infinitely better.

It doesn't matter what we want, we won't get it. Even if we get what we want, it won't be what we need. Our money is a bone. Corporations and the government are pitbulls arguing over that bone. Sure, we could reach in and grab for the bone, but we'd lose our hand. In this case, the dogs are 5 stories tall and we'd probably lose the whole arm.

Eventually, the pitbulls will realize they can just work together to hold us ransom for more bones while we sit there holding our bleeding stumps.

There is no simple way this will change any time soon. Not even a difficult way it could change soon... baring the simultaneous assassination of every major political and economical figure. But then what?

We'll be pushed to the breaking point. Maybe we'll collapse. Maybe we'll fight back. If we fight back, we'll just get the armed forces dropped on us and become a police state... and then give in. We're really already there, we just put curtains over the electrified bars on the windows.

If this post proves anything, it's that the American public is too ignorant to do fuck all about it. We're rambling, incoherent fucktards. There's no way we could mount any sort of unified offensive unless it's through the same brainwashing we're already under. In that case, we'll just mindlessly follow who ever takes control the same way we are now.

Human beings can't take care of themselves. They want and NEED someone to tell them where to go and what to do. The people with ambition make the aimless subservient to them.


...What the fuck was I talking about?

[quote name='camoor']
I want a more responsible govt, I want our govt to get the same drug deals from big pharma that countries like Canada and the UK get. fuck the corporations, if they don't like it we'll deal with their competitors - that's capitalism, not the collusive political-corporate pharmaceutical mess we wade in now.[/quote]
 
So let me get this straight.

Over the past few years, the Republican powers that be have more than doubled our deficit by giving tax cuts for the rich and going to war for no good reason. The net result of said strategy has landed us in this clusterfuck.

If one was to critique the aforementioned strategy, you'd be labeled a terrorist sympathiser, condemned for "treason", and so on.

Now, Obama + friends propose a bill that (for the most part) economists agree will contribute more to our economy than what the bill costs. Said stimulus act will increase our deficit by ~7%.

Now idiots like this have the nerve to complain about spending on infrastructure (which contributes $1.50 for every $1 spent to our economy) social programs, relatively decent tax cuts, incentives for people to buy homes, and so on?

Get the fuck out of town. Immediately.
 
I can't afford the moving van. :cry:
[quote name='nathansu']So let me get this straight.

Over the past few years, the Republican powers that be have more than doubled our deficit by giving tax cuts for the rich and going to war for no good reason. The net result of said strategy has landed us in this clusterfuck.

If one was to critique the aforementioned strategy, you'd be labeled a terrorist sympathiser, condemned for "treason", and so on.

Now, Obama + friends propose a bill that (for the most part) economists agree will contribute more to our economy than what the bill costs. Said stimulus act will increase our deficit by ~7%.

Now idiots like this have the nerve to complain about spending on infrastructure (which contributes $1.50 for every $1 spent to our economy) social programs, relatively decent tax cuts, incentives for people to buy homes, and so on?

Get the fuck out of town. Immediately.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Strell']I can't afford to get the moving van to where I am from where it is, which is down by the river.[/quote]

Thanks, you made me spit coffee all over my desk.
 
[quote name='Capitalizt']We witnessed the first failure of Keynesianism the 70s and are seeing a recurrence on a much larger scale today. This crises was ultimately caused by government intervention and politicians are now prolonging it by government intervention. If the past few years have taught you anything, it should be that Keynesianism is an abject failure. Wake up buddy.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Let me guess: you think the housing crisis is the result of the Community Reinvestment Act, and not the ARMs that were not under CRA rule or jurisdiction (83.5% of them).
 
[quote name='62t']I stop reading there[/QUOTE]

LOL, he changed the OP so I got to the bottom before having my question of who was spouting enormous amounts of alarmist hyperbole was answered. Not surprisingly given the "sky is falling" title, it is Ann Coulter, although I am surprised there weren't more personal insults thrown at Democratic politicians.

Overall yes, the bill is a despicable monstrosity, but the world is not ending, Ann.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: Let me guess: you think the housing crisis is the result of the Community Reinvestment Act, and not the ARMs that were not under CRA rule or jurisdiction (83.5% of them).[/quote]

CRE was one factor and lack of regulation was one factor..but the major contributing factor was easy money and ridiculously loose fractional reserve standards by the fed that allowed the banks to create so much damn money and leverage out of thin air. This was the main cause of the crisis.. I liken it to a kindergarten teacher entering the classroom with a large basket of candy, putting it on the desk, then leaving the room for a while. Question: When the kids get a sugar high and tear shit apart do you blame them entirely?...or do you blame the teacher for making the mess possible? Both are at fault..but one more than the other. Yes, greedy investors and banks are partially responsible for this mess..but the fed/government (based on Keynesian philosophy) laid the groundwork.
 
[quote name='Capitalizt']CRE was one factor and lack of regulation was one factor..but the major contributing factor was easy money and ridiculously loose fractional reserve standards by the fed that allowed the banks to create so much damn money and leverage out of thin air. This was the main cause of the crisis.. I liken it to a kindergarten teacher entering the classroom with a large basket of candy, putting it on the desk, then leaving the room for a while. Question: When the kids get a sugar high and tear shit apart do you blame them entirely?...or do you blame the teacher for making the mess possible? Both are at fault..but one more than the other. Yes, greedy investors and banks are partially responsible for this mess..but the fed/government (based on Keynesian philosophy) laid the groundwork.[/QUOTE]

Are you comparing children to grown ups and believe you are making a point?

I am not drunk and I don't think I am misreading you.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']
Overall yes, the bill is a despicable monstrosity, but the world is not ending, Ann.[/quote]

Compared to what, WBush era spending?

I'd agree there's a considerable amount of pork in the bill. But if you're saying it's no better than the deficit spending of the past 8 years, you are out of your mind.
 
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