The purpose of the shut down isn't to save money on discretionary spending...Also I agree with Finger Shocker, we are gonna pay back pay to people who didn't actually have to work? Nice shutdown, gov't.
I disagree. I think you will still get a pool of assholes running, but they won't become institutions like the old
wads we have now. And if you elected a loser to the Senate, and they got 8yrs total to fill a seat, then they don't have enough time to create that legacy of uselessness. They'd be an equivalent to a bad two term President (which we've had in the past few cycles). But as you mention, money is the big thing. If you only have 8yrs to be in office, you can try to get as much money, lobbyist support and bullshit as you can in a small amount of time, but you at least need to go out and try to build those alliances, and work for you money. As it goes now, the lobbyist buys you early on, and has a voice for the next 40 years through you."All" it takes is a Constitutional Amendment. Good luck.I disagree. I think you will still get a pool of assholes running, but they won't become institutions like the old
If 9/10 people who run for federal office positions are horrible pieces of shit, which I would argue they are, you would have to go through more of them each election, which means you've got a better chance of finding that one gem. I think there would be HUGE value in requiring high turnover in Congress. It would force more of them to actually work in the private sector after their political careers are over. There are so many advantages. It can't possibly be worse, and it has a chance to be slightly better.
Imagine a world where Harry Reid and John McCain haven't been in public office for all or most of your life?
Oh, I get it. We would need to rely on Congress to vote themselves out of job security, which will never happen. But if it could, I think the worst outcome would be status quo in terms of quality of representation, and the best would be an improvement. It will never happen, but to me, serving in Congress should not be a lifelong career.
themselves while we continue to shit on them.I'm actually pretty happy about this. It's the most reasonable thing they've done in years. The budgeting process is how you adjust spending if you are unhappy with it. Defaulting on the country's debt should never be a possibility.Looks like it has conditions to me. They want to negotiate around the only the shutdown and not the debt ceiling. They've let one hostage go and want to talk about the other one. They should continue to go
Again, what's the difference between a corporation/industry owning 1 guy for 40 years and a possible 20 guys for 40 years? The 20 guys because the corporate/industrial lobby STILL pays for them. More "choices" only changes the player; not the game.I disagree. I think you will still get a pool of assholes running, but they won't become institutions like the old
If 9/10 people who run for federal office positions are horrible pieces of shit, which I would argue they are, you would have to go through more of them each election, which means you've got a better chance of finding that one gem. I think there would be HUGE value in requiring high turnover in Congress. It would force more of them to actually work in the private sector after their political careers are over. There are so many advantages. It can't possibly be worse, and it has a chance to be slightly better.
Imagine a world where Harry Reid and John McCain haven't been in public office for all or most of your life?
Well, the "compromise" just means that we're going to go through the same thing again in 6 weeks. It's almost routine at this point, which it shouldn't be.
Well no. Right now there's a government shutdown because there is no budget and there is a debt ceiling issue. 6 weeks gives them time to focus on the budget then the debt ceiling again later instead of both at once.
I didn't mean that we're going to go through another shutdown, but that we're going to have the same bullshit about Obamacare and debt ceiling fight that we've had every time it needed to be raised(and over the shitdown). We're already operating on a the sequester, which the conservatives wanted and we're starting to feel the longer term effects of it slowly trickling through the system.
The way these discussions seem to go is they bullshit for 5 1/2 weeks, saying they are serious. The last couple of days they're like c'mon guys, we're really serious about you needing to negotiate, then when it's due or past due they're like "well I guess we should start negotiating"
Can't say I'm surprised. Reid is probably still pissed off about Boehner reneg'ing the deal they had (and then calling Reid a liar when Reid said they already had a deal). If I were Reid, I wouldn't trust a single word out of Boehner's mouth. Does Boehner even have the authority to negotiate and deliver votes for that negotiation?
ing who? Him?The difference is that one scenario has the opportunity that the new guy can't be bought. At the very least, the lobbyists need to spend more after every term to ensure that they can own the new guy, court them, and create a new relationship. It makes them get a new mistress every 4-8 years rather than have a booty call on speed dial for life. That is a HUGE change. And I agree, there will never be a magical candidate, but if you have higher turnover, you've got a better chance of at least finding an improvement.
I haven't said that at all. Each time I've said that is exactly what might happen, but if you've got a wife, you can get fat and lazy. Not take her out on dates very often. You did all the work in the dating phase. If you have to date all over again every 4-8 years, at least you have to spend more money, more time, and more effort to woo these new prospects. If you need to woo 10 people over 40 years, versus 1 person over 40 years, the chances of somebody not being impressed with you are obviously higher when it's 10 people that need to be considered.
Republicans have the house nearly locked up because of Gerrymandering. Don't be so naive as to think it's equally done.
People like you irritate me.Now we've got people calling for impeachment of the first black President while waving confederate flags. They aren't even trying to hide the racism.
And another
http://freakoutnation.com/2013/06/29/totally-not-racist-man-takes-down-confederate-flag-replaces-it-with-nazi-flag-until-obama-is-impeached-resigns/
Meanwhile, the Chinese "envy" the shutdown.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101109056
You might believe that's what it means to *you* but that's not what it means to everyone else. We don't need to go into a history lesson here, everyone knows what the south was trying to keep going. Oh I'm sure it was allll about states rights which is why they left the union right after Lincoln was elected. I'm sure the confederate states of america were going to free the slaves. Even if you were right (you're not), the meanings of things can change over time. It happens all the time, look at the political party's. I wonder why these guys have a confederate flag next to theirs?
It's more than a few. I live right outside an army base and 90% of the people in this town and on base believe that Obama closed all parks and the WWII memorial just to spite the veterans and citizens of the USA. It's
ing crazy.HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAA.......the US gov't thrives on misinformed citizens voting party lines over meaningless, trivial differences. The Left is just as guilty, if not more so, than the Right. The true heart of the Tea Party is people who are fiscal conservatives that can't stand to see how out of control gov't spending is. Racists idiots are on the fringe of both parties, stereotyping a whole group as such is dishonest and goofy.
Thats what happens when all they have is muscles... and possible inbreedingIt's more than a few. I live right outside an army base and 90% of the people in this town and on base believe that Obama closed all parks and the WWII memorial just to spite the veterans and citizens of the USA. It's
LOL!!!! cause those southerners were so fighting for a "just" cause :/
Yes, they were. The Civil War was fought not over slavery, despite what YOU may think. It was a war because the South seceded from the Union. The Union didn't like it, so they waged war against the South. Ever wonder why there's 13 white stars on the confederate flag? Probably not. Too much thinking for you, more than likely. You just do whatever everyone tells you, right?LOL!!!! cause those southerners were so fighting for a "just" cause :/
That damn Confederate flag was sure a symbol of those "freedom" fighters... I guess it meant freedom to the white men while enslavement of the colored ones....
Yep buddy, and the Nazi flag is actually a Hindu symbol of peace. People don't fly that flag to remember the civil war, they do it to be racist, antagonizing assholes. The other part of that story you conveniently left out is that even though it was fought over secession, the reason for their secession was slavery.
That's the KKK. They're idiots. They use the flag because they also have Southern pride. They link their BS beliefs to racism. It's stupid and the fact that they made that connection is bullsh*t. I totally agree with you on that. I don't think the Southern flag should have any connection to the KKK.
LOL!!!!
Yah, I'm actually against people displaying the Confederate Flag because people do it to be antagonizing assholes, as you accurately note, but Lincoln once said "If I could save the Union without freeing a single slave, by God I would do it." Slavery was a factor, but it was not the sole, or even main purpose for going to war. It was all economics. People like to overlook this and Lincoln's quote, when calling him the great Emancipator.
All true, but the economy of the South was based on slavery. Without it, the whole thing collapses. It was so important that there are parts of their constitution that explicitly state that it can't outlaw slavery. Maybe the founders of the CSA were cynically using racism, but I highly doubt it. It's like saying Michelle Bachmann doesn't believe a lick of what comes out of her mouth.
ing retarded. It's a self-mark of idiocy. Southern pride. loooooooooooooooooooool. Prideful that they've never done a goddamn thing worth half a in their entire existence. It's a wink and a nod between racist white people. A well balanced budget isn't what the tea party stands for. It stands for virtually no government, no taxes, and a well balanced budget (easy to do with no government services). The majority of the country likes the national weather center and it's predictions of hurricane's. The country likes the national parks. There are actually a lot of government services that are valuable and the tea party wants to eliminate all of these because they aren't "essential". Essential just means that the federal agents, military, etc are still operating (but won't be paid until the budget is passed). Of course once some FBI agents or some other federal law enforcement officer/agent retires they can't be replaced because the HR department is non-essential.
Agreed, as soon as they pass a budget that funds the park service they will reopen. In the meantime Republican activists should stop trespassing.
