Greatest American...Your Pick(We Have A Winner)

[quote name='gofishn']Patton - crazy?[/QUOTE]
Harsh term there...

We all know of patton's bitch slapping of two officers, being sent home with shell shock. He had a reason though, shell shock wasnt an excuse to these men. Patton dealt with this crap ten times over, and then he sees two soldiers runnin home with their tales in between there legs over something psychological. To a war man like Patton, it was unthinkable. I cant justify the man as crazy, though he is a patriot, to the full extents in which a patriot could be
 
[quote name='supadupacheap']The Civil War would reveal the limits of Clay's compromises. The Kansas-Nebraska Act and the Dred Scott decision both effectively repealed the Missouri Compromise, and the Fugitive Slave provisions of the Compromise of 1850 proved to be more divisive than conciliatory. His solutions were not prefect, as he would have been the first to admit, and they eventually broke down under the tremendous twin stresses of slavery and states-rights. But they were noble, patrotic attempts to bring fractious elements together for the benefit of the whole.


Most underrated american of all time. Greatest senator of all time. Just not the greatest american ever.

Beats the fuck outta Oprah though.[/QUOTE]

can't fault a guy for things that happened after he was out of office. The whole 1850 compromise was not even put through by him because he died.

and a lot of that shit can be put on Buchanan for being a dumbass. This man told us it is unconstitutional to seceede from the Union but I can't do anything about it. That about sums up how smart he was and how he lead the country to war with his inaction. Had a better president been in place maybe his compromises would have held with more authority
 
[quote name='Mr_hockey66']I'd say jerry springer but I think he's canadian!

How in the hell did oprah get on that list????? BIll gates?????


My vote is for the rude crude child melstin dude him self micheal jackson. HE HEE! WOOOO
( grab myself, did a little spin, and had wind blowing my hair back)



Honestly who picked these people?[/QUOTE]

Jerry Springer is from Ohio. He was the mayor of Cincinnati before he was a television host
 
There's really only one true answer to this question:
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[quote name='Strell']Why in the fuck are Reagan and Kennedy on there?

Einstein or Franklin. The rest are weak sauce.

EDIT:

Wtf, I can't beleive DUBYA is on there. OR fuckING CLINTON.

fuck all this. I vote Mitch Hedburg. If we're going to have bullshit on there, might as well go for someone that deserves it in his own special way.

Where the hell are all the greats from literature? Hawthorne? Poe? If we're going to include Oprah, might as well put guys like that on there.

Mark Twain should at LEAST be a consideration.

This list is even more pathetic than I thought...[/QUOTE]

sounds like a scientist to me. As for me, I would definately go with Franklin. So much knowledge in so many areas of life. He was definately the man.
 
jughead, I'm confused. I said Mitch Hedburg. He's a comedian. :p

Unless you mean me, myself, as a scientist. I'm an English major. :p
 
George Washington also declined a kingship, in favor of a limited presidency, because he didn't want to repeat the same mistakes that caused the colonists to want to form a new world.
Haven't read the list yet, but I'd have to definitely rank Washington right up there at the top; without him [and, of course, the other founding fathers who created an incredibly complex yet balanced governmental system], we would not have "America" as it is today.
 
[quote name='antichameleon']Why is George Washington on there twice?[/QUOTE]

That isn't Washington twice it is Thomas Jefferson in the color one and George Washington in the one on the bottom.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']He was very well balanced.

Not only was he an excellent host of a popular childrens' show he made no less than 19 confirmed kills as a US Navy Seal.[/QUOTE]

and he taught me how to tie my shoes, brush my teeth, say please and thank you
and that the growth in my pants every time I saw cousin Mary Owl was a good thing
 
[quote name='jmcc']There's really only one true answer to this question:
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Its center man! What the hell is that? I'm pretty sure the character on his chest is center in chinese, depends on the context though.
 
[quote name='cdeener']That isn't Washington twice it is Thomas Jefferson in the color one and George Washington in the one on the bottom.[/QUOTE]

haha don't tell him, I've been replacing his two dollar bills with singles for years
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']I fixed that pic:

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:lol:[/QUOTE]

Einstein wasn't a totally bad choice, but it should be noted that he was a socialist who only became American because of the Nazis.

I would have left FDR on the list as well.

Creepy pic - kinda reminds me of that PS2 game "XIII"
 
[quote name='camoor']Einstein wasn't a totally bad choice, but it should be noted that he was a socialist who only became American because of the Nazis.

I would have left FDR on the list as well.

Creepy pic - kinda reminds me of that PS2 game "XIII"[/QUOTE]
One must be reminded that eleanor roosevelt was the greatest roosevelt, not her husband...for obvious reasons
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']How has this man not even been mentioned?
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But in all seriousness, Martin Luther King Jr. or George Washington would be my pick.[/QUOTE]
I nominated his best friend, Mr. America.
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']One must be reminded that eleanor roosevelt was the greatest roosevelt, not her husband...for obvious reasons[/QUOTE]

If you're making a lesbian joke, I can think of way hotter.
 
[quote name='camoor']If you're making a lesbian joke, I can think of way hotter.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not, eleanor roosevelt contributed so much to this country, while her husband was ailing...she took over her husbands role in a great many number of ways...She also provided a neutral opinion on things, and if she were president, would have easily beaten the rest, of the presidents in history, save the founding fathers
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']Absolutely not, eleanor roosevelt contributed so much to this country, while her husband was ailing...she took over her husbands role in a great many number of ways...She also provided a neutral opinion on things, and if she were president, would have easily beaten the rest, of the presidents in history, save the founding fathers[/QUOTE]

Eleanor Roosevelt kicked all kinds of ass. Easily the greatest first lady in history.
 
Sorry, I just think all the MLK Jr as greatest American talk is exagerrated PC correctness.

He had great ideas and great vision, and no doubt made a great contribution to this nation and the freedom of black people, but you really can't compare the impact of his words and life to the leadership and political genius provided by founding fathers like Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin or the brilliant and uniting crisis-time leaders like Lincoln.

I'm fine with putting him on the top 25 list, but the fourth time I saw someone elect him as the "greatest" I had to say something.
 
[quote name='camoor']Sorry, I just think all the MLK Jr as greatest American talk is exagerrated PC correctness.

He had great ideas and great vision, and no doubt made a great contribution to this nation and the freedom of black people, but you really can't compare the impact of his words and life to the leadership and political genius provided by founding fathers like Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin or the brilliant and uniting crisis-time leaders like Lincoln.

I'm fine with putting him on the top 25 list, but the fourth time I saw someone elect him as the "greatest" I had to say something.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but anyone who wrote and delivered the "I have a dream" speech deserves a very high level of recognition. Not just in terms of PC, african-amercan terms, but as a global statement. Just because he lived in a time where he would never be afforded the power to truly make sweeping changes should not lower his standing. He wasn't around for the founding of the country (and african-americans in that time were only there as servants anyways) nor could he be elected as president. But considering his position, he did truly great things. Not to mention the fact that he is most likely the greatest orator in American history.

I would put Lincoln far behind Washington, Franklin or Jefferson. His actions preceeding the Civil War were out of necessity more than anything else. NOt to say he wasn't a very good president, but his reputation as the liberator of slaves is truly undeserved.
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']Absolutely not, eleanor roosevelt contributed so much to this country, while her husband was ailing...she took over her husbands role in a great many number of ways...She also provided a neutral opinion on things, and if she were president, would have easily beaten the rest, of the presidents in history, save the founding fathers[/QUOTE]

LOL ok, just your phrasing sounded... ambiguous at first.

If you think about it - it is funny that quite a few of the presidents/politicians in the first half of the century got away with adultry and in this case some girl-on-girl action. It's a shame that the moral police of the christian right had to surge back to power and again jam their stick of contrived sexual shame firmly into America's collective posterior.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']I would put Lincoln far behind Washington, Franklin or Jefferson. His actions preceeding the Civil War were out of necessity more than anything else. NOt to say he wasn't a very good president, but his reputation as the liberator of slaves is truly undeserved.[/QUOTE]

But we're not talking about "greatest liberator of slaves", or even greatest proponent of equal rights. If that was the category, LBJ should have been included and George W's appearance (given his views regarding the subjugation of women's rights in this day and age) would be highly ironic.
 
[quote name='camoor']But we're not talking about "greatest liberator of slaves", or even greatest proponent of equal rights. If that was the category, LBJ should have been included and George W's appearance (given his views regarding the subjugation of women's rights in this day and age) would be highly ironic.[/QUOTE]

I meant that in elementary school we are generally taught that Lincoln freed the slaves, etc., which is a large reason for his reputation. As I said, I still would rate him as a very good president, one of the best in history, but I wouldn't put him as highly as Washington, etc.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']I meant that in elementary school we are generally taught that Lincoln freed the slaves, etc., which is a large reason for his reputation. As I said, I still would rate him as a very good president, one of the best in history, but I wouldn't put him as highly as Washington, etc.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with that. Washington was a brilliant leader, war general, and political scientist, and it helps that his life exemplifies the phrase "right place, right time"
 
I'd go with Martin Luther king or Abe Lincoln. Most dont deserve to be on that list; Lance Armstrong, Oprah, JFK, Reagan, Dubuhyah, etc.
 
[quote name='whiteboy']I'd go with Martin Luther king or Abe Lincoln. Most dont deserve to be on that list; Lance Armstrong, Oprah, JFK, Reagan, Dubuhyah, etc.[/QUOTE]

Someone just missed our discussion of Abe Lincoln :lol:
 
i would just put in that Robert E. Lee was one of the greats if you are throwing in military leaders and also Henry Clay from the great city of Lexington where his house stands 10 minutes from my house. Why not through in Daniel Boone while were at it.

Truefully there is no way to say that there was or is one great american because every single american that has ever lived is great in some way...all those people who decided to come over and start a new life for what ever reason to all the indians that was here before them. Every man, women, child that has worked hard and can sit and say that they are an american is great.

I do have to say that every single soldier that has given their life in whatever battle past, present or future are all great americans to me...especially my cousins and friends that are over seas right now.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']Someone just missed our discussion of Abe Lincoln :lol:[/QUOTE]

His name makes it all the more ironic - whiteboy! :lol:
 
[quote name='flowery']i would just put in that Robert E. Lee was one of the greats if you are throwing in military leaders...[/QUOTE]

That's a good point, what constitutes greatness.

You'll never get most Americans to view him in this way however, most Americans still think that the civil war was completely about slavery.
 
[quote name='Brak']I'd have to pick Lincoln...

Walt Disney comes in a close second (although his once glorious company is a hunk of shit now -- thanks, Eisner!!!).[/QUOTE]

I have to agree on Walt, however I'd pick him first myself. Eisner needs his ass kicked.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']Someone just missed our discussion of Abe Lincoln :lol:[/QUOTE]

You know, many places in Virginia (Like Richmond) people hate Lincold so much that entire communites will pool together their pennies to buy confederate flags and they spit on pictures of Lincoln. Even many black people hate him for abolishing slavery.

I fear these people, never get to know them on a personal level or you will be scarred for life.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Even many black people hate him for abolishing slavery.[/QUOTE]

Could you define many in this case?
 
[quote name='camoor']Einstein wasn't a totally bad choice, but it should be noted that he was a socialist who only became American because of the Nazis.

I would have left FDR on the list as well.

Creepy pic - kinda reminds me of that PS2 game "XIII"[/QUOTE]

I left Einstein off the list because he did most of his important work before coming to America. Also, I don't really consider him an American in the first place. :lol:

Personally I think FDR is the worst president in the history of the US, that's why he's not on the list.

Also, I would have left MLKjr off the list but that leads to words like "racist" and "bigot". :lol:
 
[quote name='camoor']That's a good point, what constitutes greatness.

You'll never get most Americans to view him in this way however, most Americans still think that the civil war was completely about slavery.[/QUOTE]

Of course it is rather hard to define greatness, but Lee was a military genuis and a born leader. He led the confederacy to many pivotal battles. If it wasnt for him and others like Stonewall Jackson and of course Jefferson Davis, whom should have been a United States president, the confederacy wouldnt have lasted as long as it did.

Its funny but I believe that the movie Gods & Generals was a great protrayal of the Civil War and helped show aspects that some people generally forget, especially the heavy religous aspect. Slavery was just one small stone in a heap of rocks with the Civil War.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']I left Einstein off the list because he did most of his important work before coming to America. Also, I don't really consider him an American in the first place. :lol:

Personally I think FDR is the worst president in the history of the US, that's why he's not on the list.

Also, I would have left MLKjr off the list but that leads to words like "racist" and "bigot". :lol:[/QUOTE]

Replace MLK with Malcolm X.
 
I still think George Washington Carver is the greatest American:

Agricultural chemist, Carver discovered three hundred uses for peanuts and hundreds more uses for soybeans, pecans and sweet potatoes. Among the listed items that he suggested to southern farmers to help them economically were his recipes and improvements to/for: adhesives, axle grease, bleach, buttermilk, chili sauce, fuel briquettes, ink, instant coffee, linoleum, mayonnaise, meat tenderizer, metal polish, paper, plastic, pavement, shaving cream, shoe polish, synthetic rubber, talcum powder and wood stain. Only three patents were every issued to Carver.

Can you believe that shit? Mofo creates all the shit we use today and he only got 3 whole patents out of his thousands of practical inventions.
 
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