Groupees: [NEW] Build a Greenlight Bundle 33 + Oktoberfest + MiniBundle 7

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Build A Greenlight Bundle 33

Buy it here: https://groupees.com/bagb33

Must spend at least $1/pick 2 games

Gamelist:


Oktoberfest Bundle

Buy it here: https://groupees.com/oktoberfest

For the minimum of $2, you get the following:

Mini Bundle 7

Buy it here: https://groupees.com/mini7

For a minimum of $2, you get the following:


Other Non-Gaming Bundles:


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= Steam Key
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= DRM Free Download

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= Playable On PC
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= Playable on MAC
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In all seriousness, it's fine, he can say what he wants. It only makes him look bad.

I'm just some guy on the internet tongue-in-cheek angrily ranting about their extreme drop in quality over the last couple of years and some questionable practices.

He's the head of a company resorting to defensive internet flame war tactics like some 20 year old indie developer lashing out.

Who looks worse between the two of us?

 
inm8num2 said:
Quoting Carl from the Steam thread.
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hal said:
Groupees gets plenty of well-deserved criticism. No need for me to chronicle that stuff here as it's well known. But I'll point out that beyond the fact that so much of the stuff being peddled is shovelware and asset flips, there have been plenty of instances of activity I'd definitely classify as shady.

So maybe it's not fair to single out Jonny, but I definitely think he's more to blame than, say, Chatbot.

Rather than spending time responding to criticism on forums that are not yours, why not spend it rallying the staff and talking about finding good games, using more sound business practices, and taking responsibility when things go wrong?

Understand why these things are being said. I'm sure you're a super dad and love puppies and all that. But the basis of most of the personal criticism comes from the way Groupees acts as a business entity. You're merely the face. I'm sure it's not personal.
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Criticism is fine and yes well deserved. We're imperfect, make mistakes but do our best. Though perhaps not obvious to those who don't try and run a web service, but it's non-trivial to do what we do including processing 50k transactions a month. Keep in mind, I log on the side countless hours to try and help out with Groupees when/where we can and have never ever taken any time to go out and try and defend Groupees from those who want to criticize. In this case, I've taken 20 mins out of my day only because someone did make it personal. Look at what was said above, again, and then tell me that wasn't personal and ok.

Carlmundo said:
What about all the developers you tried to get out of paying?

Yours sincerely,

Someone who knows at least one thing about you
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Let's be real here. You and your group were fired by Groupees because of your shoddy work. Plain and simple. And the reference you make to the issue with the $500 prepayment issue, the dev was lying and choosing to keep the double payment.... and continued to lie and avoid paying the money back despite saying he would.... something you are well aware of but don't let facts get in the way of your paper tiger argument.

Dev for Reigning Cats was paid, why don't you check on that. Issue was brought to our attention, and dev was paid. Fact check it. This is true of any dev if payments get messed up.

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Quoting Carl from the Steam thread.
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waabulo said:
sorry that I had to edit my above comment so much. Bottom line; not ok to intimidate or threaten violence
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Absolutely wasn't. I used that as an example of what not to do, turned the other way, and said exactly that. Motoki or anyone here should hit me up on LinkedIn if you're ever in Portland or attend an industry event, and I would love to meet and have a beer. Have hosted quite a few folks in Portland over the past few years who randomly reached out to me, and think it's pretty cool that paths can cross this way.

Peace out.

 
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I say Motoki and Johnny Crappucccino meet at Mount St. Helens and have a death match atop the volcano. Loser buys the other some craft beer at some hipster joint.
 
There should be charity bundle for Motoki and Johnnys craft beer date.  

I would buy it....but I buy all groupees shitty bundles..except for the music ones because....really you cant even classify that shit as music.

 
Drabelincoln said:
There should be charity bundle for Motoki and Johnnys craft beer date.

I would buy it....but I buy all groupees shitty bundles..except for the music ones because....really you cant even classify that shit as music.
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Can we somehow invite idiot and MNS and all the other people who were involved in Motoki Internet Nerd Fights™?

 
JonnyC said:
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If that really is you Thomas...

  • You are well aware of the multiple devs that you delayed paying (and perhaps have never paid).
  • You paid the dev money that was owed to me, by mistake yes but you made very little effort to get it to me until other developers caught wind of the situation.
  • You advised that I commit fraud to PayPal.
  • Reigning Cats dev was paid after I brought it to your attention. You had them waiting a very long time and ignored their initial attempts to get their payment. It's not my duty to chase up on dev payments, it's Groupees'.
  • You didn't fire anyone. You wanted a structured contract between us but after our differences, it's very clear it wouldn't happen.
You are representing Groupees very well by the way ;)

 
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indef said:
Can we somehow invite idiot and MNS and all the other people who were involved in Motoki Internet Nerd Fights™?
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I guess we need to invite you too then because you seem to have a thing about pointing out all the things I'm fake internet so not really annoyed at lately.

 
JonnyC said:
Let's be real here. You and your group were fired by Groupees because of your shoddy work. Plain and simple.
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If it were that plain and simple, you would've fired yourself and at least half of your staff for shoddy work.
 
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Motoki said:
I guess we need to invite you too then because you seem to have a thing about pointing out all the things I'm fake internet so not really annoyed at lately.
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Not all of them. Just enough. And i'll bring my own cheapass beer, those fancy microbrews give me a headache. I do have a Portland-worthy beard though.

 
JonnyC said:
Criticism is fine and yes well deserved. We're imperfect, make mistakes but do our best. Though perhaps not obvious to those who don't try and run a web service, but it's non-trivial to do what we do including processing 50k transactions a month. Keep in mind, I log on the side countless hours to try and help out with Groupees when/where we can and have never ever taken any time to go out and try and defend Groupees from those who want to criticize. In this case, I've taken 20 mins out of my day only because someone did make it personal. Look at what was said above, again, and then tell me that wasn't personal and ok.

Let's be real here. You and your group were fired by Groupees because of your shoddy work. Plain and simple. And the reference you make to the issue with the $500 prepayment issue, the dev was lying and choosing to keep the double payment.... and continued to lie and avoid paying the money back despite saying he would.... something you are well aware of but don't let facts get in the way of your paper tiger argument.

Dev for Reigning Cats was paid, why don't you check on that. Issue was brought to our attention, and dev was paid. Fact check it. This is true of any dev if payments get messed up.

Absolutely wasn't. I used that as an example of what not to do, turned the other way, and said exactly that. Motoki or anyone here should hit me up on LinkedIn if you're ever in Portland or attend an industry event, and I would love to meet and have a beer. Have hosted quite a few folks in Portland over the past few years who randomly reached out to me, and think it's pretty cool that paths can cross this way.

Peace out.
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Let me say a few things just because I feel we owe it as a community to say them:

1. Yes, Motoki complains a lot and is very sarcastic. That's his thing. He still probably buys (or after being threatened, USED to buy) more stuff from Groupees than most people here. An unhappy customer is still a customer and should be treated as such.

2. So you're the kind of guy who says "I could say "I'm going to kill you tonight" but I'm not because that would be bad!" Newsflash, that's just a veiled threat that you're not man enough to make directly because you know it's wrong. We don't need examples of personal or inappropriate remarks. Being a professional, you should have simply told him you didn't appreciate personal remarks and weren't going there yourself. Everyone can see right through it. I swear, Groupees runs on the most backwards logic ever.

3. You know, I don't know anything about you personally. You could be the greatest guy in the world who feeds the homeless every day and just wants the world to be a better place. That said, Groupees is consistently the subject of claims by devs of not being paid, shady dealings, and general dissatisfaction. Where there's smoke there's fire. No other bundle site that has been around this long has anywhere near the amount of complaints from devs after participating in a bundle. So I tend to believe there's something behind that.

4. You know, Carlmundo is one of the nicest people I've met online. Period. If he says something, I believe it. There hasn't been a time where Carl or WGN hasn't delivered on what they promised and if something came up they were 100% transparent. And guess what? That honestly and integrity came at NO profit or benefit for Carl. 99% of the time, he's giving away free games. He runs a website for free, runs giveaways for free, and could easily say "Screw you guys, this is too much work for nothing and I'm abandoning you guys." Not once has that happened. The few times there has been money involved (Land of Eyas kickstarter and Groupees/WGN bundles) I've also had no issues with Carl delivering what was promised.

Look, you ran what was once a very cool bundle site (I used to think it was the top one, even above Humble) and now it's fallen very far and is a shell of what it once was. I haven't bought a bundle in about a year and I used to buy every single one. I know several people like that. Does that make you a horrible person or make personal attacks warranted? No, but instead of wasting time arguing online or trying to blame others, you'd be better served looking internally and just accepting something went wrong along the way and needs to be fixed. Maybe you're happy with the way things are and shooting the shit with the few diehards you have left. That's fine too, but the only people to blame for the fall is you and your staff, not some random internet forum.

 
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What the Fox said.

Am I genuinely furious at Thomas and Groupees? No. It's a character. It's internet schtick.

Am I disappointed that a site I used to enjoy buying games from has let go of any semblance of quality control and  now regularly resorts to cheap gimmicks? Yes.

And while I'm being completely honest here, do I get amusement out of the whole circus like atmosphere of how low can you go and what can they screw up this time? Sure.

It's the internet. It's something to do. It's not like I've been entertained by games groupees has peddled for a long time. Gotta find the entertainment somewhere. :p

 
Carlmundo said:
If that really is you Thomas...

  • You are well aware of the multiple devs that you delayed paying (and perhaps have never paid).
  • You paid the dev money that was owed to me, by mistake yes but you made very little effort to get it to me until other developers caught wind of the situation.
  • You advised that I commit fraud to PayPal.
  • Reigning Cats dev was paid after I brought it to your attention. You had them waiting a very long time and ignored their initial attempts to get their payment. It's not my duty to chase up on dev payments, it's Groupees'.
  • You didn't fire anyone. You wanted a structured contract between us but after our differences, it's very clear it wouldn't happen.
You are representing Groupees very well by the way
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You routinely omit and/or distort facts to try and make your points.... so you've been posting countless times about Reigning Cats so now that someone responds and calls you out for that, the story changes.... well, you did but only because I chased you about this.... and that last bullet is really quite funny. Since you like to cut and paste, here's the content of the email sent to you and David in November 2015:

"This email is confirmation that the partnership between our two companies is officially ended. Wish you both well in your future endeavors."

We wanted a "structured contract"? That's what you're calling that? Sure whatever you say...

 
Motoki said:
What the Fox said.

Am I genuinely furious at Thomas and Groupees? No. It's a character. It's internet schtick.

Am I disappointed that a site I used to enjoy buying games from has let go of any semblance of quality control and now regularly resorts to cheap gimmicks? Yes.

And while I'm being completely honest here, do I get amusement out of the whole circus like atmosphere of how low can you go and what can they screw up this time? Sure.

It's the internet. It's something to do. It's not like I've been entertained by games groupees has peddled for a long time. Gotta find the entertainment somewhere. :p
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Glad to hear you're not furious at me. And I suppose this is a message board so flame away... it's why these things exist... but yea, would appreciate you not making personal attacks...

 
Passing a message to CAG:

Eddie from Indie Kings asked you all to get along and stop picking on JonnyC

 Thanks  :whee:

 
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FoxyPie said:
Let me say a few things just because I feel we owe it as a community to say them:

1. Yes, Motoki complains a lot and is very sarcastic. That's his thing. He still probably buys (or after being threatened, USED to buy) more stuff from Groupees than most people here. An unhappy customer is still a customer and should be treated as such.

2. So you're the kind of guy who says "I could say "I'm going to kill you tonight" but I'm not because that would be bad!" Newsflash, that's just a veiled threat that you're not man enough to make directly because you know it's wrong. We don't need examples of personal or inappropriate remarks. Being a professional, you should have simply told him you didn't appreciate personal remarks and weren't going there yourself. Everyone can see right through it. I swear, Groupees runs on the most backwards logic ever.

3. You know, I don't know anything about you personally. You could be the greatest guy in the world who feeds the homeless every day and just wants the world to be a better place. That said, Groupees is consistently the subject of claims by devs of not being paid, shady dealings, and general dissatisfaction. Where there's smoke there's fire. No other bundle site that has been around this long has anywhere near the amount of complaints from devs after participating in a bundle. So I tend to believe there's something behind that.

4. You know, Carlmundo is one of the nicest people I've met online. Period. If he says something, I believe it. There hasn't been a time where Carl or WGN hasn't delivered on what they promised and if something came up they were 100% transparent. And guess what? That honestly and integrity came at NO profit or benefit for Carl. 99% of the time, he's giving away free games. He runs a website for free, runs giveaways for free, and could easily say "Screw you guys, this is too much work for nothing and I'm abandoning you guys." Not once has that happened. The few times there has been money involved (Land of Eyas kickstarter and Groupees/WGN bundles) I've also had no issues with Carl delivering what was promised.

Look, you ran what was once a very cool bundle site (I used to think it was the top one, even above Humble) and now it's fallen very far and is a shell of what it once was. I haven't bought a bundle in about a year and I used to buy every single one. I know several people like that. Does that make you a horrible person or make personal attacks warranted? No, but instead of wasting time arguing online or trying to blame others, you'd be better served looking internally and just accepting something went wrong along the way and needs to be fixed. Maybe you're happy with the way things are and shooting the shit with the few diehards you have left. That's fine too, but the only people to blame for the fall is you and your staff, not some random internet forum.
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Wow, where did I even hint at blaming CAG for Groupees relative standing or performance? It's remarkable that people can simply write things out and think that makes an argument. It's totally fair and appropriate for customers to criticize. Ultimately, if we fall short, we need to understand that and try and do better... of course it's all on us. I've never, ever suggested otherwise... it's actually nice to hear that those who flame us also say at one time we were considered one of their favorite sites... guess that gives us something to aspire too again. We'll keep trying and hopefully we can do better for you.

 
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JonnyC said:
Glad to hear you're not furious at me. And I suppose this is a message board so flame away... it's why these things exist... but yea, would appreciate you not making personal attacks...
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Oh don't get me wrong I still non sarcastically think you're shady as fuck and one of those types that always has multiple schemes going on so if that constitutes a personal attack then so be it.

Still not sure why you keep coming back here. If it's to defend Groupees good name that ship sailed here a long time ago.
 
I'm going to add something since I used to buy a lot of bundles.

I used to think you were top of the game as well and every Be Mine bundle was almost equivalent to a good Humble bundle.

Now there are a few things that keep me from buying from your company:

1. Too many bundles with too few games. A mass quantity of bundles is not great IMHO. Instead of hitting us everyday with new ones, maybe cut back a bit and make a few bundles, but make them have more stuff bundled together. A lot of the quality of stuff lately has really dropped off on many bundling sites, so a quantity over quality approach may be good here.

2. Build a Greenlight bundle seem OK for people on here. Be Mine generally have unbundled games, though the quantity of games in the bundle is low, with mainly average games. These used to be prime material.

3. I refuse to support your site's blind pre-ordering scheme. It is garbage in my opinion and encourages what we like to call on this site Moraning. It's a leading the blind sheep mentality and I feel even with the lesser price for pre-order, it is a terrible practice. I will not pre-order very often unless it's a music bundle I like. That's that.

4. Also your chat room on your site is bad in my opinion as well. Unlike on the CAG forums, we can properly place our own opinions about every sale, and unless the person is harassing someone or posting inappropriate things, in general we tolerate it. We are a bunch of weird people on this site, but there is a lot of nice people as well. If you say even one dissenting opinion on your chat, you are silenced immediately. I wont ever chat on there just cause I don't want to be silenced from my opinion.

Those are my honest opinions and I frankly find Groupees very low on my bundle site tier list. I place Indiegala, Humble, Bundlestars, GameBundle and even DIG above your site. I wont support blind pre-ordering, and when I see the actual bundle and realize it's not for me I wont order it either. Hopefully if it's the real Johnny C, take all our opinions and at least use it as constructive criticism.

Also if you decide to insult anyone on here that I consider a decent person or anything, I will report that so fast it's not even funny. CAG may be a rag tag group of people, but we generally support each other and have a good time poking fun at things.

 
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Johnny I don't care if you're the second coming of Hitler, just give me some good games, breh.  Slightly more seriously, though, I blame most of these guys for the overall decline of bundles with their +1 and cardz fetish so Groupies isn't totally to blame for that.

I don't follow any e-drama so I have no idea what's going but if you're reading I'd suggest to focus on fewer bundles with higher quality content versus endeavoring to pump out a dozen a month with shovel-ware crap some 'developers' made in a weekend and are looking to cash in.  If you only put out one bundle a month but it was higher quality and possibly with steady developers you could trust and/or not get into potential squabbles with then that would probably be for the best for everyone concerned.

 
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Motoki said:
Oh don't get me wrong I still non sarcastically think you're shady as fuck and one of those types that always has multiple schemes going on so if that constitutes a personal attack then so be it.

Still not sure why you keep coming back here. If it's to defend Groupees good name that ship sailed here a long time ago.
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I see. It's somehow considered cool to make personal attacks on others, cyber stalk Facebook profiles including that of family members, and for me to call in to question that, I understand why that's confusing that I chose to come here and still am here posting. My bad. You know nothing of me but spew BS behind your internet anonymity. Cool stuff. Sorry but yes I think that's poor form and a rather sad way to live but by all means carry on. Your site, your rules, your life. Realize I'm unwelcome, and won't make that mistake again.

Lest this be misconstrued yet again, I have no issue with criticisms of Groupees. Fair fodder and we listen. We will try to do better. Peace out.

 
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The cyber stalking was Tomasety and yeah he's a weirdo. But he's our weirdo. I guess.

Anyway your site still sucks and has for like two years. kthxbai

 
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Guiez stahp, I'm out of popcorn.

In serious though, less bundles (or just), better bundles, and no more pre-orders.
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How about no bundles but more drama and internet butthurt! That way you get more entertainment and spend less, no indie devs get ripped off, and everyone except Jonny and the AOL 90s chat Kool Aid drinkers wins.

 
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I can't recall the last time I bought a bundle from Groupees. I was occasionally buying bundles from them here and there (like I do with most Bundle sites), back when I felt they had a better quality of games & things that were more akin to my tastes.

Okay, I just checked - last bundle I bought from Groupees was in Sept. 2015, when Kult: Heretic Kingdoms was in there (Build A Bundle 9).

 
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In serious though, less bundles (or just), better bundles, and no more pre-orders.
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Very hard for me to argue against this.

The problem w/ the pre-ordering bundles thing is - whether it's from Groupees or Humble - is that many times, you only know nothing or very little that is in the bundle. You're rolling the dice here, throwing your money into the air + pre-ordering a bundle w/out knowing much about it.

If there's something in there you really want badly and you know it's in there - then, sure, you go ahead & buy.

But, how often does that actually happen, though?

I know for me - not too often.

[shrug]

 
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I honestly feel pre-orders are for when you don't feel your product is good enough to sell on its own.  You're hoping people will buy into the item before they see what it is because it might be good.  If you know your product is good and you can sell it at a good price, people are going to buy it.

Another reason I don't like pre-orders...

I may be in the minority on this, but if I don't get a pre-order then a game I want is in the bundle, chances are I won't buy the bundle, because, in my mind, I could've had it cheaper, so now I don't want to pay more for it.  I do the same thing for steam sales.  Game is higher than it's historical low, not buying it, I could've had it cheaper.

But then I go in for the pre-order because maybe it'll be good, if it's not then I feel ripped off.  That makes me less likely to buy the next pre-order.  Couple that with the previous statement, and I buy fewer and fewer bundles.

 
I was looking at some of the bundles I bought from Groupees - a few Be Mine bundles, Sherlock Holmes bundle, 1C Bundle, a Retro Bundle, etc.

Looks like a nice mix of some older classics titles, some newer Indie titles, and some older close-to-AAA to AAA titles on there.

Yeah, I would love to see more quality bundles like those that fit my tastes to appear again on Groupees.

 
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I actually bought a synthwave bundle after I missed the pre-order.  Only time I ever did that... outside of that one time where you could use a coin to buy a coin and a game for $1, so you basically got the game free.

 
JonnyC said:
You routinely omit and/or distort facts to try and make your points.... so you've been posting countless times about Reigning Cats so now that someone responds and calls you out for that, the story changes.... well, you did but only because I chased you about this.... and that last bullet is really quite funny. Since you like to cut and paste, here's the content of the email sent to you and David in November 2015:

"This email is confirmation that the partnership between our two companies is officially ended. Wish you both well in your future endeavors."

We wanted a "structured contract"? That's what you're calling that? Sure whatever you say...
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We could go back and forth all day but congrats on dancing around all of the points I made!

 
Johnny, thank you for continuing to comment as hopefully you have read what people are posting.  Believe it or not, several of us liked Groupees a lot more years ago.  If you read my comments and others, I think we can and have given you feedback on what we think could help your brand/site.  Again; Let's Make Groupees Great Again.  I also would like to give you some positive feedback; I appreciate that your site has donated money via bundles sales to various charities.  Thank you.

I really hope that you can appreciate that CAG members could get to know you better if you would like to be on this site, this forum and chat with us.  We make a lot of jokes here, sometimes about a bundle site (again see my earlier post and others as Groupees is not the only bundle site we complain about), sometimes about each other.  The reality is that we like each other and get along.  I would invite you to stay a while and interact from time to time; to get to know us, to get a feel for what a community like ours want and to share your views.  Yes, I would like to know more about you and your views.  You also may find us interesting as well.

@FoxyPie, thank you for better communicating one of my points to Johnny.  

@everyone commenting; thank you for bring up valid concerns to Johnny

Johnny, since you mentioned looking you up if in Portland, I will extend the same offer to you and anyone on here as well; If you come to the Salt Lake City area, let me know.  I would love to have a conversation over a meal, drinks, whatever to see what common likes we have.  I do not drink alcohol, but have no problem going to a bar or somewhere else for a conversation.  Again, offer is for anyone on CAG.

Thank you everyone.

 
What in Davy Jones’ locker did ye just bark at me, ye scurvy bilgerat? I’ll have ye know I be the meanest cutthroat on the seven seas, and I’ve led numerous raids on fishing villages, and raped over 300 wenches. I be trained in hit-and-run pillaging and be the deadliest with a pistol of all the captains on the high seas. Ye be nothing to me but another source o’ swag. I’ll have yer guts for garters and keel haul ye like never been done before, hear me true. You think ye can hide behind your newfangled computing device? Think twice on that, scallywag. As we parley I be contacting me secret network o’ pirates across the sea and yer port is being tracked right now so ye better prepare for the typhoon, weevil. The kind o’ monsoon that’ll wipe ye off the map. You’re sharkbait, fool. I can sail anywhere, in any waters, and can kill ye in o’er seven hundred ways, and that be just with me hook and fist. Not only do I be top o’ the line with a cutlass, but I have an entire pirate fleet at my beck and call and I’ll damned sure use it all to wipe yer arse off o’ the world, ye dog. If only ye had had the foresight to know what devilish wrath your jibe was about to incur, ye might have belayed the comment. But ye couldn’t, ye didn’t, and now ye’ll pay the ultimate toll, you buffoon. I’ll shit fury all over ye and ye’ll drown in the depths o’ it. You’re fish food now.

 
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