Groupees: [NEW] Build a Greenlight Bundle 33 + Oktoberfest + MiniBundle 7

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Build A Greenlight Bundle 33

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Must spend at least $1/pick 2 games

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Oktoberfest Bundle

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For the minimum of $2, you get the following:

Mini Bundle 7

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warreni said:
I like your choices, although I'm wondering why anyone would "reboot" Battle Chess. Wasn't Battle vs. Chess basically a modern remake of BC?

Any spoder-sense on the mystery game?
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The dreamfall: the longest journey. Since Funcom messed up with the keys it might be a bonus or the mystery game.

 
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Bruticis said:
I don't think people understand what kickstarter is, which is say it's not a pre-order system. Why is this so complicated to grasp?
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While technically you're right, and all the money you give is a "donation", the way tiering works with these kickstarted games, it might as well be pre-orders. It's the same thing, they take money from you in exchange for a promise that you'll get a product. That's like saying giving money to Humble is just donating to charity. It is, but it isn't. All about intent.

With games on Kickstarter, your "pre-order" is expected to be cheaper + come with goodies because you're getting in on the ground floor, and there's more risk than just pre-ordering some game that's not dependent on consumer monies to get made. Which is also why it attracts dedicated fans, you want your investment to come out good.

But then again, I call buying a season pass at launch a pre-order for DLC so what do I know?

 
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BobbyTastic said:
With games on Kickstarter, your "pre-order" is expected to be cheaper + come with goodies because you're getting in on the ground floor, and there's more risk than just pre-ordering some game that's not dependent on consumer monies to get made.
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If it's expected to be that way, it's only because you put that expectation into your head. I challenge you to find a single kickstarter that says, "THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WAY TO GET OUR GAME EVER!". Kickstarting is simply capital investment, nothing more. People really shouldn't be investing in a product when they clearly have no idea how the system works.

 
Neuro5i5 said:
Did anyone else get the KISS My Bundles and not have SKH in their profile page? I sent Poopees a support message already to no avail and I refuse to use their "chat" system.
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Come to think of it, I don't have it either but I already own the game anyway. Now I have to decide if I care enough to write to Poopees about some key that will get stuck on a spreadsheet.

 
Bruticis said:
If it's expected to be that way, it's only because you put that expectation into your head. I challenge you to find a single kickstarter that says, "THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WAY TO GET OUR GAME EVER!". Kickstarting is simply capital investment, nothing more. People really shouldn't be investing in a product when they clearly have no idea how the system works.
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I agree with Bruticis even I do not understand the system works, but I have reallly clear is a capital investment. Tiers are for the purpose on getting more capital in the end and well for bringing more content to the game almost all times.

I'm not saying backing a game is a bad idea, don't misunderstand my point, only emphasizing the capital point.

 
Bruticis said:
If it's expected to be that way, it's only because you put that expectation into your head. I challenge you to find a single kickstarter that says, "THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WAY TO GET OUR GAME EVER!". Kickstarting is simply capital investment, nothing more. People really shouldn't be investing in a product when they clearly have no idea how the system works.
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True. It doesn't have to be the cheapest way ever, I never said that. But yes, it's expected that someone who paid directly for the game's development and ends up waiting for their product, should be getting a copy of the game for less than MSRP.
Otherwise, with the risk that it'll turn into a pile of shit, what's the benefit to investing other than ensuring it gets made? There's no assurance of quality. Is it expected that all of a Kickstarter's backers are die-hard fans who just wanna see it get made out of the goodness of their heart, no matter what the cost and wait?

I don't know. If I lent a friend some money so he could make something, got it, and then saw he was selling it for the same price as my donation, nevermind someone else getting it for $1 a month later, I would feel a bit betrayed.

Now if the "capital investors" were getting a cut of the profits or something, that'd be different. But all you're getting is the promised product, and a developer should reward those who showed interest from the get-go. It's expected because it's good business to show that you appreciate those who gave their money to make your product a reality, your most die-hard fans, rather than spit in their face a month after launch.

The game is effectively 60 cents in the $4-tier. They made a month of EA cost $14.40/$24.40.

 
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BobbyTastic said:
what's the benefit to investing other than ensuring it gets made?

Now if the "capital investors" were getting a cut of the profits or something, that'd be different. But all you're getting is the promised product,
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Welcome to the stupidity that is kickstarter. That's exactly what you're getting, a fanboy vote with your wallet to see a game you want make it to reality. You'll get no return on investment, you'll have little to no say in the development and you'll be paying more then most other people will for the game. What's not to like about the system?

 
Look at it this way, if you pay $50 to PBS and get Doctor Who salt and pepper shakers, are you paying $50 for Doctor Who salt and pepper shakers or are you paying $50 to keep PBS going?

 
Bruticis said:
Welcome to the stupidity that is kickstarter. That's exactly what you're getting, a fanboy vote with your wallet to see a game you want make it to reality. You'll get no return on investment, you'll have little to no say in the development and you'll be paying more then most other people will for the game. What's not to like about the system?
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Bruti's right, the ONLY point of Kickstarter is to pay so that something GETS MADE. That's it. There's no return of investment promised. There's no cheaper than MSRP promised. The cheaper than MSRP thing is only something some of the devs do to extort support from fans who will be afraid to have to pay more later.

Anyway, Miasmata is something I was waiting to be bundled, but I will wait to see what happens in a week or so.

 
Motoki said:
Look at it this way, if you pay $50 to PBS and get Doctor Who salt and pepper shakers, are you paying $50 for Doctor Who salt and pepper shakers or are you paying $50 to keep PBS going?
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Can't it be both?

BobbyTastic said:
True. It doesn't have to be the cheapest way ever, I never said that. But yes, it's expected that someone who paid directly for the game's development and ends up waiting for their product, should be getting a copy of the game for less than MSRP.
Otherwise, with the risk that it'll turn into a pile of shit, what's the benefit to investing other than ensuring it gets made? There's no assurance of quality. Is it expected that all of a Kickstarter's backers are die-hard fans who just wanna see it get made out of the goodness of their heart, no matter what the cost and wait?
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Well, you are getting it for less than MSRP (depending on the Kickstarter in question). And so are Groupees buyers. The only people who aren't are the ones who buy it when it's not on sale (aka suckers).

 
Motoki said:
Look at it this way, if you pay $50 to PBS and get Doctor Who salt and pepper shakers, are you paying $50 for Doctor Who salt and pepper shakers or are you paying $50 to keep PBS going?
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My local PBS doesn't have donation gifts as cool as these (unless you're really into Celtic Thunder).

 
Cheaplikeafox 3.0 said:
Bruti's right, the ONLY point of Kickstarter is to pay so that something GETS MADE.
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ftfy.

Depending on your area of interest (video/board/rpg games, etc.) one of three outcomes will occur:

1. Product delivered on time (Don't worry...this will not happen)

2. Product delivered a year or more late. (You'll be thanking god if it only comes in a year or so late, or ever)

3. Developer decides to burn product/meltdown/skip-town-with-monies (To be expected)

Listen to my friend Mr. T:

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Neuro5i5 said:
Did anyone else get the KISS My Bundles and not have SKH in their profile page? I sent Poopees a support message already to no avail and I refuse to use their "chat" system.
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How about I just send you one of my extra keys for it I've been trying to unload on unsuspecting hoarders giveaway?

 
spoderman said:
I took the garbage just to check what it was.. Legend of Dungeon lol.
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BobbyTastic said:
Is it expected that all of a Kickstarter's backers are die-hard fans who just wanna see it get made out of the goodness of their heart, no matter what the cost and wait?
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...yes. Crowdfunding is just an alternative publishing model. Instead of selling the rights to the product to a major publisher in order to get the money to create it, the developer instead goes to its potential audience and tries to convince them to simply give them the money. The rewards that Kickstarter and other crowdfunding platforms encourage are merely incentives; in the end, the idea of crowdfunding is that you're donating money so that you can see a product come into existence. That's all.

There is no inherent exclusivity to Kickstarter backing. If the dev wants to give backers some exclusive attention, I think that's a great way to make them feel special and want to come back; but there's no obligation to do so, and backers have no reason to feel entitled to such attention.
 
Cheaplikeafox 3.0 said:
If only there was a country that manufactured novelty knick knacks and if only there was some sort of global marketplace that sold them...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Doctor-Who-Tardis-vs-Dalek-Salt-and-Pepper-Shaker-Set-/261212361725
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Why are you wasting time in this thread?!?!? I'm trying to run your new RPG Maker game and I'm having problems! First off, I can't even find it! WTF?!?! Once I do find it I'm sure it won't work and once you get it working, you'll make a new Special Edition Directors HD Cut that you won't give out to early KickSharter contributors like me! God I loathe you and all you stand for!!!!

 
rcsample said:
Why are you wasting time in this thread?!?!? I'm trying to run your new RPG Maker game and I'm having problems! First off, I can't even find it! WTF?!?! Once I do find it I'm sure it won't work and once you get it working, you'll make a new Special Edition Directors HD Cut that you won't give out to early KickSharter contributors like me! God I loathe you and all you stand for!!!!
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www.kickstarter.com/projects/1001010101010/Fox-Games-CAG-RPG-Lunch-Fund

 
rcsample said:
Why are you wasting time in this thread?!?!? I'm trying to run your new RPG Maker game and I'm having problems! First off, I can't even find it! WTF?!?! Once I do find it I'm sure it won't work and once you get it working, you'll make a new Special Edition Directors HD Cut that you won't give out to early KickSharter contributors like me! God I loathe you and all you stand for!!!!
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Isn't this the real reason to start making your own games? Won't somebody please think about the children?

 
warreni said:
I like your choices, although I'm wondering why anyone would "reboot" Battle Chess. Wasn't Battle vs. Chess basically a modern remake of BC?


Any spoder-sense on the mystery game?
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The kickstarter crew had the actual rights and a few other things... But sometimes a choice is just pure nostalgia. That was pretty much the one. It also failed so it cost me nothing. (It also game to steam EA later on for a cheaper price than its KS price.)
 
So, during the KS campaign, if you paid $25 you get early access. If you paid less you get the game only when it's done, so they will get the game even after the groupees buyers. Nice! In for $4 just to troll the backers.
 
warreni said:
I like your choices, although I'm wondering why anyone would "reboot" Battle Chess. Wasn't Battle vs. Chess basically a modern remake of BC?
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No, Battle v Chess was a cheap knockoff, lacking unique piece vs piece battles. You're far better off getting the Battle Chess Collection from GOG.

BobbyTastic said:
While technically you're right, and all the money you give is a "donation", the way tiering works with these kickstarted games, it might as well be pre-orders. It's the same thing, they take money from you in exchange for a promise that you'll get a product. That's like saying giving money to Humble is just donating to charity. It is, but it isn't. All about intent.

With games on Kickstarter, your "pre-order" is expected to be cheaper + come with goodies because you're getting in on the ground floor, and there's more risk than just pre-ordering some game that's not dependent on consumer monies to get made. Which is also why it attracts dedicated fans, you want your investment to come out good.

But then again, I call buying a season pass at launch a pre-order for DLC so what do I know?
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Nothing. I'd try to explain it, but others have tried and failed... which reminds me of one of my grandfather's expressions, which can be roughly translated as:

Don't argue with an idiot :newbie:

 
asheskitty said:
No, Battle v Chess was a cheap knockoff, lacking unique piece vs piece battles. You're far better off getting the Battle Chess Collection from GOG.
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Really? No unique battle animations? Crazy.

I have all of the Battle Chess games on GOG already, although I actually played 1 + 3 (the 4000 AD or whatever one) back in the day when they were new (probably pirate copies, because I used to do that sort of thing). So I mostly have them for the sake of nostalgia; I don't even remember buying them. I never really bothered to try to learn the rules for the second game. For as many years as I've played chess, I'm still not that good at it.

 
warreni said:
Really? No unique battle animations? Crazy.

I have all of the Battle Chess games on GOG already, although I actually played 1 + 3 (the 4000 AD or whatever one) back in the day when they were new (probably pirate copies, because I used to do that sort of thing). So I mostly have them for the sake of nostalgia; I don't even remember buying them. I never really bothered to try to learn the rules for the second game. For as many years as I've played chess, I'm still not that good at it.
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From what I read, no. The fights are generic. Each piece has a single victory fight. This was the biggest thing that turned me off of it.

I bought Battle Chess back in the day... I was even excited for it to come out. I played it a bunch. I think I saw a preview of it on Computer Chronicles. IIRC the later CD-ROM release was from all the animations they originally did for the game but could ship... since they couldn't ship the game on a hard drive... having to shrink it to a couple floppies. Yes I have a number of the later CD-ROM releases too.

While Chess is good. Backgammon is a better two-player social game... (I always wind up playing more Backgammon than chess.)

 
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warreni said:
Really? No unique battle animations? Crazy.
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asheskitty said:
From what I read, no. The fights are generic. Each piece has a single victory fight. This was the biggest thing that turned me off of it.
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I've read the same things, which is why I'm much more interested in Battle Chess: Game of Kings, by the original developers. Looks pretty great so far.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq5i92h2Coo[/youtube]

 
#FakeCAG indeed....do I even know you anymore?

Also about Kickstarters I usually don't bother anymore unless something just wont be made without my contribution. I like how in board game and other physical copy kickstarters you get bonus parts and such for Kickstarter copies. Sometimes they are worth it as getting alternate art cards, expansions, and other extras is a nice touch.

For digital Kickstarters you may get some % off pre-order price, maybe some bonus stuff in digital form...etc.....I don't like DLC period and some of that digital stuff I usually ignore, so I rarely kick start digital games. Last one I got in was Tide of Yumeria or whatever it was called mainly cause I could get it and Wasteland 2 for a good price...and I like bother their previous games.

I'm likely done with Kickstarter though on the rare occasion i'll go for it (Barbarossa was a card game I wanted and the bonuses were pretty good!).

 
I don't get what the big fuss is about Kickstarter and discounts. 

The one and only game I've kickstarted is Defense Grid 2 and I couldn't be happier. I don't even care if it debuts at half price. 

Quite honestly, the game probably wouldn't have been funded (or would have taken ages) without the kickstarter and I got what I wanted:

- The game

- The DLC for the previous game

- beta testing

- an opportunity to give early feedback

- outstanding communication on its progress

Bring it on and sell it for whatever you like. I am not entitled.  

 
hal said:
I don't get what the big fuss is about Kickstarter and discounts.

The one and only game I've kickstarted is Defense Grid 2 and I couldn't be happier. I don't even care if it debuts at half price.

Quite honestly, the game probably wouldn't have been funded (or would have taken ages) without the kickstarter and I got what I wanted:

- The game

- The DLC for the previous game

- beta testing

- an opportunity to give early feedback

- outstanding communication on its progress

Bring it on and sell it for whatever you like. I am not entitled.
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This is the true spirit of KS. This is the only one I regret not backing myself. For better or worse though, EA has basically replaced Kickstarter for early funding of video games.

 
spoderman said:
Electronic Arts has replaced Kickstarter?!

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Not you too! As I explained to Idiot, people know that when I write EA, I mean EA, and not EA. No one would ever buy an EA game at full price anyways so that should tell you everything you need to know. If I'm talking about people paying full price to play an EA game, then you know it's EA and not EA.

 
Cheaplikeafox 3.0 said:
Not you too! As I explained to Idiot, people know that when I write EA, I mean EA, and not EA. No one would ever buy an EA game at full price anyways so that should tell you everything you need to know. If I'm talking about people paying full price to play an EA game, then you know it's EA and not EA.
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You're a son of a bitch, you know that? ;)

 
Seems like awfully big spacing for so many bonuses. Hope it doesn't run out of steam before we get whatever games are squirreled away in there.

 
spoderman said:
Can't say I'm all that excited about the new bonus goal.. Journey of a Roach @ 12,000 bundles.
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Oh I want that one (missed the Humble Adventure bundle with it in the BTA tier)....wtf is up with number of bundles needed for bonuses should really be about 3000 between levels or something.....ugg Groupees you make me face palm so many times. Least pricing is ok for this bundle.

 
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hal said:
I don't get what the big fuss is about Kickstarter and discounts.
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The only people complaining don't understand that Kickstarter is saying with money, I want this to be made. And thus making it possible/giving it a bigger development budget.

Cheaplikeafox 3.0 said:
This is the true spirit of KS. This is the only one I regret not backing myself. For better or worse though, EA has basically replaced Kickstarter for early funding of video games.
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Kickstarter has some business plan vetting. Early Access does not. IMO Kickstarter is a far safer bet. (Then again I feel that Early Access should be at least beta, not this alpha shit.)

 
nitrosmob said:
Oh I want that one (missed the Humble Adventure bundle with it in the BTA tier)....wtf is up with number of bundles needed for bonuses should really be about 3000 between levels or something.....ugg Groupees you make me face palm so many times. Least pricing is ok for this bundle.
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I noticed that too. It's a good bundle but their sales expectations seem to be a little off.

And yeah, Journey of a Roach is a repeat, but it's from a Humble Weekly BTA tier which only #fakecags buy anyway so it's not a bad bonus at all.
 
Neuropod said:
I noticed that too. It's a good bundle but their sales expectations seem to be a little off.

And yeah, Journey of a Roach is a repeat, but it's from a Humble Weekly BTA tier which only #fakecags buy anyway so it's not a bad bonus at all.
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Most CAGs don't have it, and I don't really consider it a repeat since its from a bundle with a high priced/crappy tier.. but it's probably not a good game. Have Radical Roach and Super Killer Hornet taught you guys anything??

 
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asheskitty said:
The only people complaining don't understand that Kickstarter is saying with money, I want this to be made. And thus making it possible/giving it a bigger development budget.

Kickstarter has some business plan vetting. Early Access does not. IMO Kickstarter is a far safer bet. (Then again I feel that Early Access should be at least beta, not this alpha shit.)
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lol...do you know how easy it is to make a business plan? I hardly consider a few paragraphs of empty dreams and some crude concept art any form of "vetting" for these things. At least with EA, they are required to deliver something, even if it is a shitty Alpha, it takes more work to make that than any business plan. Also, at least for EA you actually get something at the time of payment other than a dream and a wish. I'm pretty sure the EA program has seen more success than KS and less spectacular failures. I don't think a dev can burn digital copies of games distributed through EA.

 
Cheaplikeafox 3.0 said:
lol...do you know how easy it is to make a business plan? I hardly consider a few paragraphs of empty dreams and some crude concept art any form of "vetting" for these things. At least with EA, they are required to deliver something, even if it is a shitty Alpha, it takes more work to make that than any business plan. Also, at least for EA you actually get something at the time of payment other than a dream and a wish. I'm pretty sure the EA program has seen more success than KS and less spectacular failures. I don't think a dev can burn digital copies of games distributed through EA.
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<pats Fox on the head>

Don't worry about it dear.

Not an issue, if you kickstart seasoned & experienced devs that have their reputation at stake.

 
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