Guitar Hero subscription service coming?

Well apparently even shacknews.com is blocked at my work :)roll:), but judging this on title alone, this sounds like a horrible idea.
 
Depends on how it's implemented. If it's another option besides the "a la carte" version that currently exists, then sure, why not. However, if it becomes the only option... then fuck you Guitar Hero. They've got your money, so they could care less whether you spend it on good songs or shitty songs. So what's their motivation for getting good bands/songs now? I'll wait to see how they plan to implement it before making judgement.
 
First thing they'd have to do is get rid of the damn 'all-or-nothing' package deal they have going on.

Let me buy just ONE song from a pack, then we can start to talk about subscriptions, kay?
 
They have pretty much crap to choose from so far. Good thing they only have a handfull of songs to download. They charge more than RB have less selection and are looking for more ways to milk us, I hate these guys more and more everytime I read something about GH. They ruined a great experience for me with thier greed.
 
Terrible as you have no way of knowing how many (if any) songs you want in a given month.

Luckily for me I'm sick of music games and probably won't buy another one anytime soon anyway.
 
This is horrible. I know with Rock Band when songs come out I usually buy the singles because its rare the whole pack has songs I like.

Same goes with Guitar Hero 3. I did buy one pack and I only liked 1 song (of 4 or 5 songs, I forget how many actually). I think this is bad because your paying a fee for all songs (most likely) for a month but lets say you only like one song in that month. Your basically paying a months worth of songs for really one song. Bad idea if you ask me. They should go with the way Rock Band does DLC instead of monthly fees.
 
When they can actually put out songs on a regular schedule, then they're allowed to offer subscriptions for it. Then there's the whole issue of non-compatibility between Guitar Hero games. Why would I pay for a service that has a horrible history of irregularity?
 
This is stupid. I'll buy DLC from time to time, even take a chance on a song or two from a band I may not even know of, but to have a subscription service? No thanks, I'd rather have the option of what songs I'm going to buy when I want to buy them.

I think Activision ought to focus on catching up to Harmonix and their massive DLC library instead of supscription plans for a meger DLC output.
 
[quote name='phear3d']i would if they did guitar hero 3 DLC correctly. they could have lead instead of trailing back behind.[/QUOTE]

I think this post epitomizes the whole thread. At CAG it seems there is a strong bias towards Rock Band and anything GH does cant be good. The guy at Harmonix behind Rock Band on game trailers recently said something similar to this so people need to stop acting like its just GH. And people need to start freaking thinking about what they are paying for.

Lets say that they charge $10 a month for this service then over a year you pay $120 if you subscribe every month to the plan. Then you look at Rockband which has about 500 songs out over the last year. Lets say you bought just 100 of those, 100 songs at $2 a song is $200. It just doesnt freaking make sense to buy the songs.

I mean seriously its amazing that you Rock Band fans are willing to hand harmonix lubrication and pay $2 a fucking song.....yet you whine about GH.
 
[quote name='phear3d']i would if they did guitar hero 3 DLC correctly. they could have lead instead of trailing back behind.[/QUOTE]

I think they might have done more if they had their full band set out. You dont want to release a ton of songs for a game thats Guitar only then have to try and make them compatible with other instruments later. Its my belief we will see more DLC now that GH has a full instrument set. Plus I think that GH is leaning more towards releasing Xpacks or towards the subscription based way of doing things....both of which Rock Band fans bitch about despite the fact that its 10x cheaper.
 
[quote name='magiic']If it were rockband I would pay for it. Guitar Hero has proven they fail at DLC so no I would not.[/QUOTE]
This.


MSI Magus, you're a fine one to be calling people out on being biased towards certain music games. Oh, and by the way, they don't charge "$2 a song" always, they release a lot of songs for 80 points/$1, have occasional promotions where 160 points/$2 songs are half price, and give you a volume discount if you buy full albums as well. That's why people "whine about GH" - because they fucking suck when it comes to the "value" department, and have yet to show any signs of getting their shit together.
 
Subscription service AKA another way of us getting songs we don't want in a pack from Red Octane. Sorry, but 160 points a song (at most) is still cheaper then 3 songs for 500 points like GH has been doing. Plus can download separately and frequently as opposed to announced out of no where whenever Red Octane has the time to make a pack. That's why I'm fine with Rock Band and Rock Band 2 (especially since the songs are incorporated in battle of the bands and challenges as opposed to just default songs). So THIS is a reason why I'm loyal to Harmonix versus Activision.

Also a bit off topic, but what happened to the GH: Aerosmith DLC they said they'd give the game as well?
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']This.


MSI Magus, you're a fine one to be calling people out on being biased towards certain music games. Oh, and by the way, they don't charge "$2 a song" always, they release a lot of songs for 80 points/$1, have occasional promotions where 160 points/$2 songs are half price, and give you a volume discount if you buy full albums as well. That's why people "whine about GH" - because they fucking suck when it comes to the "value" department, and have yet to show any signs of getting their shit together.[/QUOTE]

GH's downloadable content has been even more expensive, had too few sales and been released too few and far between. However as I said first off you cant blame Red Octane when you knew behind the scenes they were preparing a full band kit. It would make no sense to release a rush of songs that wouldnt later work with the drums and the mic.

What you are basically saying is that you dont mind being raped by Harmonix because their wang isnt as big as Red octanes. Seriously the people of this board need to stop being such damn Rock Band fan boys and remember what it means to be a cheap ass gamer. You guys are not only not being cheap your ranting and raving and acting like a company that is overcharging you is the second damn coming.

They DO charge $2 a song 90% of the time, they do have sales but they are extremely rare and yes they bundle songs and charge you less for buying a bundle......but very few people are interested in every song off an album. So say what you want about me, its not that im a GH fanboy, its just that I think both companies are raping the consumers and you guys are blind to this fact since you have choosen a favorite. No one on this board seems to look at pricing of songs or compare these 2 games fairly anymore....its nothing but licking rock bands nasty taint while not recognizing they have a choke chain around your neck.

Iv yet to pick a winner in this war. Both companies have up and downsides and ill judge them after both have full instrument sets out and have had several months to offer up DLC. This war has just begun and as I said im going to judge based on the content. Hopefully you Rockband fanboys choose the right side when you blindly decided to follow.
 
[quote name='uberpwner93']Why would they make such a stupid decision. Just let the people buy what they want.[/QUOTE]

Because they will make more money off it while at the same time possibly saving us money. Like I said if people bought even 1/5th of the songs that are DLC for RB2 so far it would have cost them half as much to just subscribe to a $10 a month service and they would have had access to another 400 songs.

People tend to not think things through when it comes to internet pricing and downloadable content. Its kinda like how people scream why should I pay $15 a month to play a game like WoW when they ignore the fact that if that its cheaper to pay $15 a month for WOW then buy a new one for $60 every month.

A service like this would be no different then something like netflix where its cheaper to rent a bunch of movies in a month then go to block buster and pay $3 a freaking movie.
 
The problem is this is only good for people who want a lot of songs. For casual players who'd only by a few songs, and subscription service is useless.

And even for hardcore players who buy a ton of songs, many would rather just pay for the songs they want rather than have rental access and a monthly fee. These companies want to make money, the subscription won't save most people money over DLC.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The problem is this is only good for people who want a lot of songs. For casual players who'd only by a few songs, and subscription service is useless.

And even for hardcore players who buy a ton of songs, many would rather just pay for the songs they want rather than have rental access and a monthly fee. These companies want to make money, the subscription won't save most people money over DLC.[/QUOTE]

100% true, however first off they could decide to offer this service and still let people buy songs. Second though we dont know the pricing yet, when this issue was discussed on gametrailers bonus round they made it sound like they were more leaning towards something like $5. If they did that and it was only $5 a month suddenly this would be worth it for casual fans too. I mean when you think about it if they sell the game to 15 million people and then charge them $5 a month at 3 million subsribed they would make enough money with a service like this to justify it while it still being justifiable purchase for fans.

Another thing about this is the horrible DRM rules currently. If you buy a bunch of songs then your 360 dies your probally just SoL and will have to rebuy them all.
 
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He says they're exploring the option, which obviously means it's imminent, right? Oh wait, it isn't. I'm gonna shut the fuck up now because I have no idea what I'm talking about.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']
Another thing about this is the horrible DRM rules currently. If you buy a bunch of songs then your 360 dies your probally just SoL and will have to rebuy them all.[/QUOTE]

Thats not true.......at all.
 
[quote name='lowgear26']Thats not true.......at all.[/QUOTE]

You think not? Talk to people who have had their 360 die on them and been fucked out of redownloading the content they bought? Some people have had good luck with MS and this issue, but ALOT of people have been told they pretty much just have to rebuy everything. Sony you can gurandamntee will do the same thing. Kotaku ran a story today about how if you delete a movie you download from your hardrive they make you pay again to download it again and if your HD dies then too damn bad.

People are going nuts with purchasing DLC and not even thining about ownership rights nor how much they are paying.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']You think not? Talk to people who have had their 360 die on them and been fucked out of redownloading the content they bought? Some people have had good luck with MS and this issue, but ALOT of people have been told they pretty much just have to rebuy everything. Sony you can gurandamntee will do the same thing. Kotaku ran a story today about how if you delete a movie you download from your hardrive they make you pay again to download it again and if your HD dies then too damn bad.

People are going nuts with purchasing DLC and not even thining about ownership rights nor how much they are paying.[/quote]

You're a fucking moron.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']If they did that and it was only $5 a month suddenly this would be worth it for casual fans too..[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't pay for it. But then again I'm tired of music games and probably won't ever buy another one anyway. But I wouldn't have paid a monthly fee for extra songs for GH1-3 when I was still playing them either. Just not my thing. I bought 3 track packs for GH3 and didn't regret it at all. A bit over priced, but not to the point that I couldn't live with it.

As for the DRM issue, that's true but MS changed the system so that you can get all your DLC, XBLA games etc. redownloaded and tied to the system so you can play them without being logged into Live (the way it was before). It used to be a pain, but MS changed the system a few months ago.
 
[quote name='evanft']You're a fucking moron.[/QUOTE]

Better to be right then popular. And hey atleast my asshole isnt blown out like you fanboys. Your not only overpaying.....your overpaying for shit you dont even legally have any rights to AND defending the company doing this to you. Can you say stockholm syndrome?
 
I'm not defending them. The DLC prices suck and I've not bought much because of it. And I'm just not a big fan of digital distribution in general. I've still not bougth a single mp3 and just buy CDs and rip them even though I seldom listen to the physical cds anymore.

However, I view a subscription service as even worse.

Also, you're not right. As MS changed their DRM policy and you can now get your downloaded stuff registered to a new console/HDD now. Not just download it and have to be logged into live to play it. So you do have access to it.

It likely will not carry over to the next MS console (which is a major drawback), but at least I can play it all this generation without having to pay a monthly subscription fee to be able to play it.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm not defending them. The DLC prices suck and I've not bought much because of it. And I'm just not a big fan of digital distribution in general. I've still not bougth a single mp3 and just buy CDs and rip them even though I seldom listen to the physical cds anymore.

However, I view a subscription service as even worse.

Also, you're not right. As MS changed their DRM policy and you can now get your downloaded stuff registered to a new console/HDD now. Not just download it and have to be logged into live to play it. So you do have access to it.

It likely will not carry over to the next MS console (which is a major drawback), but at least I can play it all this generation without having to pay a monthly subscription fee to be able to play it.[/QUOTE]

I wasnt really talking to you because you have been pretty reasonable so far. As for DRM, good to hear MS is changing their tune.....but Sony is still very very sketchy on theirs and just as importantly till we see people start having problems we dont know how much we can trust a position on the issue. Also as you pointed out lets see what they do next generation in a transition.

As for subscription it just depends on how much they charge and how much you download. As iv stated to a real fan that downloads dozens or 100s of songs a $5-$10 fee a month would be a huge money saver. To a casual fan that doesnt download anything like yourself then the point is moot. However I do believe it could get some of those casual fans on board. I know that iv not bought but like 3 songs because of the outrageous price....but id subscribe to a $5 a month that give me unlimited access in a heartbeat.
 
I'm leary of GH DLC in general. fucking Death Magnetic is over 1 gig (1.2?) in file size. That's just INSANE (the entire RB1 disc is 1.5gb in comparison.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus'] and just as importantly till we see people start having problems we dont know how much we can trust a position on the issue.[/quote]

There have been multiple posts of people saying the new DRM transfer on the 360 works fine. Can't speak about Sony's as I don't have a PS3 and don't keep up on it's issues.

To a casual fan that doesnt download anything like yourself then the point is moot.

Exactly. I'd rather just download a song or song pack every now and then. I don't play the games enough to justify a monthly expense. I probably haven't touched GH3 for close to 3 months. New songs don't help keep a game from getting stale for casual fans like me that only play on Medium. It's just the same shit with different songs. But again, I'm just tired of music games, so it's all moot for me! :D
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']You think not? Talk to people who have had their 360 die on them and been fucked out of redownloading the content they bought? Some people have had good luck with MS and this issue, but ALOT of people have been told they pretty much just have to rebuy everything. Sony you can gurandamntee will do the same thing. Kotaku ran a story today about how if you delete a movie you download from your hardrive they make you pay again to download it again and if your HD dies then too damn bad.

People are going nuts with purchasing DLC and not even thining about ownership rights nor how much they are paying.[/QUOTE]

Since I am on my sixth X-box.......I will tell you I have NEVER been screwed on DLC. If you use the same gamertag.....all your purchases are tied to that tag.

It's not an issue of luck.......it's an issue of common sense.

BTW.....I hate the DRM on the X-box......but they are getting better
 
[quote name='lowgear26']Since I am on my sixth X-box.......I will tell you I have NEVER been screwed on DLC. If you use the same gamertag.....all your purchases are tied to that tag.

It's not an issue of luck.......it's an issue of common sense.

BTW.....I hate the DRM on the X-box......but they are getting better[/QUOTE]

Iv known people to be screwed out of their content so again beg to disagree. Its luck
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Iv known people to be screwed out of their content so again beg to disagree. Its luck[/QUOTE]

It's not luck. Keep the same gamertag, and you've always had access to it as long as you were logged into X-box live on your new system. Now you can get it changed so you don't even have to be logged in.

I'm sure there's a random fucked up story here or that, but that was just shitty luck, or a mistake the person made by starting a new gamer tag etc. Thus it's bad luck if someone does get screwed over, but it's not luck to have no problems--that is the norm.

I don't like all this DRM non-sense, but it's far from as bad as you make it out to be, and I don't see having to pay a monthly fee to access what would otherwise be DLC as any better personally. The best option would be to have downloads or put out game discs with new songs for a reasonable price IMO. Or just do 1 game a year as in the past.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It's not luck. Keep the same gamertag, and you've always had access to it as long as you were logged into X-box live on your new system. [/QUOTE]

Yup for me auto sign-In works every time. Third 360 and never a problem.
 
I don't like monthly fees, period.

An unlimited access to all DLC would be much more than 10 dollars a month unless they only released 5-10 songs a month, and there's no guarantee that they'd be songs you'd even want.

The DLC in RB is very reasonably priced, especially if you can find discounted points card. I really don't see how you could call yourself a cheapass if you pay for a subscription that you can't possibly get a discount on when there are (possibly) cheaper alternatives
 
I dont trust Red Octane at all.......they really havent gotten their act together on DLC at all. Also, like was referenced earlier......why the hell was the Metallica album so fucking large of a file?

They should do what Rock Band is doing and actually include some music that people actually want......then we can talk.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Iv known people to be screwed out of their content so again beg to disagree. Its luck[/QUOTE]

There's nothing lucky about it. All purchases are tied to your gamertag and you're allowed to download content on many consoles. To play it, however, you need to be connected online with the gamertag that purchased it (if you're on a 360 that did not originally make the purchase).

These people you know must have been extremely misinformed or not very bright.
 
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