Hamas 'Mickey Mouse' wants Islam takeover

Violating a Disney copyright... those guys have balls.

Seriously though, this is nothing new. People have been using benign icons to program children for thousands of years, most here are too conditioned to see past the nationalistic propaganda of GI Joe, the crass materialism of any modern Disney IP, or the communism espoused by the Smurfs (don't even get started on religion...)
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Hah. It ain't like the old days of WWII, when Disney was actively making semi-racist propaganda.[/QUOTE]


Source ??
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Source ??[/quote]

Well, I don't know about Disney, but I know there was a Popeye propaganda cartoon during WWII.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qfcPJS5IBc[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Source ??[/QUOTE]

I recall ample Warner Bros. cartoons, from "Private Snafu" to various "Bugs Bunny versus the Japs" stuff. Can't recall anything Disney did, however, save for "Song of the South," which is irrelevant here.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I recall ample Warner Bros. cartoons, from "Private Snafu" to various "Bugs Bunny versus the Japs" stuff. Can't recall anything Disney did, however, save for "Song of the South," which is irrelevant here.[/quote]

Found a Disney one.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-PZVrWvJM0[/MEDIA]
 
Nice find, Guile. It's fascinating, if only because it seems that it offers an explanation for hard work towards the nation's cause (forced labor to brainwashed or unwilling citizens) that differs from similar explanations for the US' hard work towards the nation's cause (willing sacrifice from all citizens, women in the workforce, rationing, etc., as all stemming from willing people who value the nation's goals).

It's interesting, if not particularly unsurprising; after all, if you humanize the enemy (by suggesting that any of them have a vested interest in their nation's success at war), then you ruin the "good/evil" dichotomy that rests in the kinds of demonization that Leonard Maltin spoke of.
 
Hamas TV drops militant Mickey Mouse

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708562209&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull



A program using a Mickey Mouse-like character to urge Palestinian children to fight Israel and the West and work for world Islamic domination has been pulled off Hamas's television station for "review," Palestinian Information Minister Mustafa Barghouti said Wednesday. Barghouti said the use of the cartoon character in such a role represented a "mistaken approach" to the Palestinian struggle against Israeli occupation.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Hamas TV drops militant Mickey Mouse

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708562209&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull



A program using a Mickey Mouse-like character to urge Palestinian children to fight Israel and the West and work for world Islamic domination has been pulled off Hamas's television station for "review," Palestinian Information Minister Mustafa Barghouti said Wednesday. Barghouti said the use of the cartoon character in such a role represented a "mistaken approach" to the Palestinian struggle against Israeli occupation.[/quote]

I am really surprised that more people in the world don't express some kind of anger at using this sort of thing to influence children. Teaching millions of children to hate isn't sane no matter how you look at it. It's more damaging than anything I can think of.

Could you imagine if Pikachu and Ash were telling children to fight against Muslims? It would be ridiculous.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Nice find, Guile. It's fascinating, if only because it seems that it offers an explanation for hard work towards the nation's cause (forced labor to brainwashed or unwilling citizens) that differs from similar explanations for the US' hard work towards the nation's cause (willing sacrifice from all citizens, women in the workforce, rationing, etc., as all stemming from willing people who value the nation's goals).

It's interesting, if not particularly unsurprising; after all, if you humanize the enemy (by suggesting that any of them have a vested interest in their nation's success at war), then you ruin the "good/evil" dichotomy that rests in the kinds of demonization that Leonard Maltin spoke of.[/quote]
I think you poorly estimate the amount of children who came of age during WW2 while the propaganda went on.

And, with all due respect, the first nation in a war to humanize their enemy loses. ;)

I am really surprised that more people in the world don't express some kind of anger at using this sort of thing to influence children. Teaching millions of children to hate isn't sane no matter how you look at it. It's more damaging than anything I can think of.

Could you imagine if Pikachu and Ash were telling children to fight against Muslims? It would be ridiculous.
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They're Muslims. That's just what they do. Its a cultural thing. How can you pass judgement on them for that? We've done the same thing in the past!

BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']I think you poorly estimate the amount of children who came of age during WW2 while the propaganda went on.

And, with all due respect, the first nation in a war to humanize their enemy loses. ;)[/QUOTE]

The baby boom began after WWII, not during.

As for your second sentence, it's absurd and unproven.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The baby boom began after WWII, not during.[/quote]

I meant to say that "KILL TEH JAPS" Bugs Bunny cartoons might not have brainwashed a great deal of kids into supporting the war as those kids would've been too young to sign on to the war effort, is all.

As for your second sentence, it's absurd and unproven.
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Largely because no faction in history has been stupid enough to humanize their enemy...

and at least live long enough to get their names in history books.

Hell, this sort of 'enlightened' navel-gazing is only a very recent phenonem... phenomenom... pheno...phef.... a recent THINGY, anyway.
 
[quote name='camoor']Seriously though, this is nothing new. People have been using benign icons to program children for thousands of years, most here are too conditioned to see past the nationalistic propaganda of GI Joe, the crass materialism of any modern Disney IP, or the communism espoused by the Smurfs (don't even get started on religion...)[/QUOTE]

Well, shit.

/thread
 
[quote name='camoor']Violating a Disney copyright... those guys have balls.

Seriously though, this is nothing new. People have been using benign icons to program children for thousands of years, most here are too conditioned to see past the nationalistic propaganda of GI Joe, the crass materialism of any modern Disney IP, or the communism espoused by the Smurfs (don't even get started on religion...)[/quote]

So you guys are saying that GI Joe has stuff in common with a group of extremists using a Mickey Mouse type character to teach kids to hate Jews and Non Believers of Islam. Give me an f'n break.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']So you guys are saying that GI Joe has stuff in common with a group of extremists using a Mickey Mouse type character to teach kids to hate Jews and Non Believers of Islam. Give me an f'n break.[/quote]

Well you're right, nationalist propaganda =/= religious propaganda, the religious propaganda can be much more widely used.

GI Joe is more about "The US is the best ever and fights for freedom and democracy" and that kind of thing. Therefore other countries are worse than the US by virtue of its being better, but there's no particular enemy.

It's like a US history textbook in high school. The point is to make America seem much more virtuous than it really is rather than necessarily trying to demonize the enemy. That way you don't even need an enemy and it's much easier to apply to future unforseen enemies.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Well you're right, nationalist propaganda =/= religious propaganda, the religious propaganda can be much more widely used.

GI Joe is more about "The US is the best ever and fights for freedom and democracy" and that kind of thing. Therefore other countries are worse than the US by virtue of its being better, but there's no particular enemy.

It's like a US history textbook in high school. The point is to make America seem much more virtuous than it really is rather than necessarily trying to demonize the enemy. That way you don't even need an enemy and it's much easier to apply to future unforseen enemies.[/quote]

I saw an old GI Joe the other day, where Cobra Commander had taken the world's supply of oil and GI Joe had to go out and win it back "for the world".

Cobra Commander also had some sort of secret weapon (of major destruction?) on his island to protect the oil from GI Joe - so the Joes had to attack the island from the water circumvent the weapon and gain more intel.

That episode ran like a neocon wet dream.
 
[quote name='SpazX']It's like a US history textbook in high school. The point is to make America seem much more virtuous than it really is rather than necessarily trying to demonize the enemy. That way you don't even need an enemy and it's much easier to apply to future unforseen enemies.[/quote]

What US History texts were you reading?

I saw an old GI Joe the other day, where Cobra Commander had taken the world's supply of oil and GI Joe had to go out and win it back "for the world".

Cobra Commander also had some sort of secret weapon (of major destruction?) on his island to protect the oil from GI Joe - so the Joes had to attack the island from the water circumvent the weapon and gain more intel.

That episode ran like a neocon wet dream.
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I kinda wish I had grown up with shows like that, instead of Captain Planet... or the thousands of different sci-fi, adventure, etc shows that spent at least two episodes with rightie villains.
 
[quote name='camoor']I saw an old GI Joe the other day, where Cobra Commander had taken the world's supply of oil and GI Joe had to go out and win it back "for the world".

Cobra Commander also had some sort of secret weapon (of major destruction?) on his island to protect the oil from GI Joe - so the Joes had to attack the island from the water circumvent the weapon and gain more intel.

That episode ran like a neocon wet dream.[/QUOTE]

I'm still not getting why you have such a hang up against G.I. Joe unless you're implying that Cobra Commander was Muslim. Those shows were simply 30 minute commercials for the toys and by implying that it's something more is reading way too much into it in my opinion.
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']What US History texts were you reading?[/quote]

Like all of em. They don't exist to examine history critically, they don't mention particuarly bad things that the US did and they positively spin anything that they do.


[quote name='RollingSkull']
I kinda wish I had grown up with shows like that, instead of Captain Planet... or the thousands of different sci-fi, adventure, etc shows that spent at least two episodes with rightie villains.[/quote]

Haha, I almost forgot about Captain Planet. That's a good example of enviro-propaganda I guess, if you could call it that.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I'm still not getting why you have such a hang up against G.I. Joe unless you're implying that Cobra Commander was Muslim. Those shows were simply 30 minute commercials for the toys and by implying that it's something more is reading way too much into it in my opinion.[/quote]

It's kind of telling that nobody on this thread has really criticized what hammas has done, they have only felt the need to say that America does the same sort of thing or has done in the past, When there really is no comparison to the examples given and fanatics teaching hate and violence.

And to merely pass this off as "propaganda" doesn't really do justice to what it actually is.
 
[quote name='SpazX']GI Joe is more about "The US is the best ever and fights for freedom and democracy" and that kind of thing. Therefore other countries are worse than the US by virtue of its being better, but there's no particular enemy.[/QUOTE]

From what I can remember, you haven't watched enough GI Joe. Wasn't GI Joe an elite anti-terrorist team that also worked with forces from other countries against a global terrorist organization? I don't see how demonizing a nation-less Cobra equals "we rule, other countries suck." As someone said, it was much more of a commercial for toys than propaganda in any case.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']From what I can remember, you haven't watched enough GI Joe. Wasn't GI Joe an elite anti-terrorist team that also worked with forces from other countries against a global terrorist organization? I don't see how demonizing a nation-less Cobra equals "we rule, other countries suck." As someone said, it was much more of a commercial for toys than propaganda in any case.[/quote]

I think that was actually the international version (or something like that?). The GI Joe I know was subtitled "A Real American Hero." They might have done some stuff with other countries or something, but the GI Joes were part of the American military. Cobra were terrorists though, afaik.

I know it was more of a vehicle to sell toys, etc. but I'm not saying it was like overt government propaganda or something. But the point of the toys, show, etc. was still nationalistic, that was the point in the adults giving them to children. It's also manly ya know, you make the boys masculine by giving them war toys, etc.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']From what I can remember, you haven't watched enough GI Joe. Wasn't GI Joe an elite anti-terrorist team that also worked with forces from other countries against a global terrorist organization? I don't see how demonizing a nation-less Cobra equals "we rule, other countries suck." As someone said, it was much more of a commercial for toys than propaganda in any case.[/QUOTE]

It also was a polygot of all races and creeds including handicapped people (Snake Eyes), pacifists (Life-Line) and a bastion of gender equality all fighting the good fight against evil. If anything, G.I. Joe was a embodiment of liberal ideology (I kid, I kid).
 
[quote name='SpazX']Like all of em. They don't exist to examine history critically, they don't mention particuarly bad things that the US did and they positively spin anything that they do.[/quote]

Good lord. My history texts talked AD INFINITUM about smallpox blankets and how the genocide of the buffalo was caused by Americans. (Native American-related actions are easy targets.) You clearly didn't read the history books I read.

Haha, I almost forgot about Captain Planet. That's a good example of enviro-propaganda I guess, if you could call it that.
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I'd call it that. Evil corporate, greedy dudes polluting Mother Gaia Earth et al. In doctrination is indoctrination. ;)
 
[quote name='dopa345']I'm still not getting why you have such a hang up against G.I. Joe unless you're implying that Cobra Commander was Muslim. Those shows were simply 30 minute commercials for the toys and by implying that it's something more is reading way too much into it in my opinion.[/quote]

The episode was funny, esp in retrospect with all the coincidental similarities that could be drawn to our now unfortunate realities.

GI Joe was propaganda - but it wasn't some sort of nefarious plot - it was just a way for the toy companies to avoid nanny gov't censorship of their violent cartoon by dressing it up in patriotic clothing.

I'll leave the nefarious plots up to the people who make all children of the "free" world pledge that their nation is "under god", assert that the theory of evolution is total bunk, etc
 
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070511153020.ckwezgk4&show_article=1



Hamas-run television defied Israel and the Palestinian Government on Friday by airing a controversial children's show with a Mickey Mouse lookalike preaching resistance and Islamic domination.

Israel and Jewish groups have slammed the Al-Aqsa television channel for allowing the copycat mouse "Farfur" and a girl co-star to urge resistance against Israel and the United States, and for its overtly Islamist message.
Padded out with Islamic songs and calling cities in Israel part of Palestine, Friday's episode apparently sought to prepare children for their end-of-year examinations.
Asked by an Al-Aqsa reporter why he looked around to see what his friends were writing, Farfur -- whose name means butterfly -- answered: "Because the Jews destroyed my home and I left my books and notes under the rubble."
"I'm calling on all children to read more and more to prepare for exams because the Jews don't want us to learn," said Farfur who failed the test.
Broadcast weekly for an hour, the show also featured a short film recalling the anguish of little girl Huda Ghalya, whose family was killed on a Gaza beach last June in a blast for which Israel denied responsibility.
"Anyone who wants to go to the sea will be killed," said Farfur.
"Yes Farfur, but also they killed her family because we are Palestinian," interjected reporter Hazem Sharawi, before calling for Islamic rule and for Spain to be returned to Muslim rule as after the 8th century Moorish invasion.
"Palestine will return free and Andalus will return soon. Hello Egypt, Damascus and Algeria. Islam will return for all whole world," he said.
Friday's show also taught tomorrow's pioneers that the cities of Jaffa, Haifa and Acre, in modern-day Israel, in addition to Jerusalem, belong to their country. Songs are sung about Palestine and about facing the enemy.
Friday's broadcast came after the Palestinian information ministry asked Al-Aqsa to withdraw the programme for review, but minister Mustafa Barghuti said he would reserve judgement until watching the latest installment.
"They have said they will change it and improve it, and we will see," he told AFP.
Earlier this week, Barghuthi said the programme had adopted a "mistaken approach" to the Palestinian struggle against Israeli occupation and that it was wrong to use children's programmes to convey political messages.
On Thursday, the chairman of the Al-Aqsa board, Fathi Hamad, refused to bow to pressure to cull the programme or to doctor its content, slamming an Israeli and Western plan "to attack Islam and the Palestinian cause".
Hamas is the senior partner in the Palestinian national unity government and is blacklisted as a terrorist organisation in the West. The Islamist movement controls a television and radio network both called Al-Aqsa and has just launched a newspaper.
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[quote name='RollingSkull']Good lord. My history texts talked AD INFINITUM about smallpox blankets and how the genocide of the buffalo was caused by Americans. (Native American-related actions are easy targets.) You clearly didn't read the history books I read.[/quote]

Meh, that's the older stuff. It is more likely that they'll say something bad about Native American treatment/slavery, but who thinks that Native Americans or slaves were treated well? Nobody will deny that stuff. Usually it's the more recent/controversial stuff that's glossed over as if it didn't happen or told as if there is no controversy. That or actions by a hero that weren't fitting with their hero-ness.

But, not to get off topic, the point was to say that the books are meant to show progress and instill pride. Like in GI Joe - America is good and fights for good.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Meh, that's the older stuff. It is more likely that they'll say something bad about Native American treatment/slavery, but who thinks that Native Americans or slaves were treated well? Nobody will deny that stuff. Usually it's the more recent/controversial stuff that's glossed over as if it didn't happen or told as if there is no controversy. That or actions by a hero that weren't fitting with their hero-ness.

But, not to get off topic, the point was to say that the books are meant to show progress and instill pride. Like in GI Joe - America is good and fights for good.[/quote]

Meh, well mine definitely talked Gulf of Tonkin and implied that Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen by the government to create US involvement in WW2.
 
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