Hardest Character to use in a Fighter?

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Me and some friends were having a "game geek" discusion on who's the hardest character to use in a fighting game. We were focusing on 2D fighters, but it's whoever you think is the hardest. Or maybe not the Hardest, but most challenging to use effectivly.

My vote went torwards Seth from the King of Fighters series (except KOF Max Impact.) He's the black dude in a suit, with a white mohwak. His counters are quick, and hard to catch. Plus his SDMs seem to be hard to connect effectivly in combos. He has other moves, but he seems to be made for counters and defense. However, his SDM counter is pretty powerful. I'd give props to anyone that can use him effectivly.
 
Angel from KOF is another one. I've never seen a character that plays like her, and never seen anyone use her effectivly. I can't use her very well either.
 
super smash:

fox - He moves so fast, and his moves require a lot of precision and quick fingers.

soul calibur 2:

ivy - To play normally and be able to continuously buffer the directions for the throw to always keep that option in mind is really crazy, imo. Watching Kageh do this at nationals a few years ago was scary.

voldo - He plays so weirdly, I have no clue what he's doing next. I suck against Voldos, but have a lot of respect for them.

talim - She isn't that hard to use, but the way some people play mind games with her is incredible.

guilty gear x2:

axl - Watching Axl play as both a turtle and pressurer impresses me. He's a natural turtle, but to be able to continuously pressure the opponent with false roman cancels and executing the moves where you have to hold back first in the middle of a string of attacks is respectable.

bridget - Bridget's pressuring abilities are too much for me to handle. It's hard to find a break from the yoyo unless I have burst or I'm someone like Baiken. It's very impressive how one can pressure that well.

street fighter iii: 3rd strike:

yun - watching people juggle with yun's 3rd special always impresses me. since it almost always seems like improvisation and always manages to keep them up.

I don't know enough about other fighters.
 
[quote name='swetooth9']waitin for casey to respond...[/quote]

well I usually pick the simplest character or the most popular and master him (am partial to Rock and Terry in all KOF games, Ken is SF, and Jacky in VF). And I hate slow characters (my list reflects this)

characters that I have tried and had a major problem with:

VF
Akira- this guy gets slower and more complicated as the VF continues.

SSBM
Gannondorf- guy has some powerful moves, but everytime I use his smash I end up falling off the ledge :lol: .

SFII/III

Zangief/ Hugo

And Battosai's list pretty much in line with my impressions as well.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Akira - VF[/quote]

Yeah he was difficult to learn but was a total bad ass once you figured him out. I would use him to lure noobs into challenge me and they could be me I would crush them and their friends with Sarah!!!
 
Anybody with those stupid 360 grab moves or anyone that has to charge before attacking (Guile, M. Bison, etc.).

The fast paced game play makes charge moves obsolete, and secondly the computer can execute them without having to do the 2+ second charge. In some cases I have seen the computer actually walk forward before doing a charge move.
 
[quote name='t65will'][quote name='cleaver']Zangief, by far.[/quote]

I second that :)[/quote]

I third that - he's impossible
 
[quote name='igreenbe'][quote name='t65will'][quote name='cleaver']Zangief, by far.[/quote]

I second that :)[/quote]

I third that - he's impossible[/quote]

Naa man. Zangief is quite POTENT in the X-men/marvel vs SF. He can take a lot of lumps and give you more back in return. :grin:
 
Alot of people are saying Zangeif, but I use him in just about every game he's in. I've never had a problem using him (except MVC 2, cause that game is unbalanced). All you gotta learn is timing and to perfect the 360 degree motion. Besides that he's a tank that can really do alot of damage. I never use alot of stratagy with him. Just grab all the time, mix in a couple Spinning clothlines and use his reach. Also I think alot of people aren't used to playing against him which makes his tactics a mystery. Or maybe many gamers are scared to use him, or give him a shot.

Also somebody before said Akira. I definatly agree with that. He's probably the hardest character to use in VF4. In fact that's the character I trained with. I figured if VF4 is a hard game to learn, I might as well pick an advanced character. His combos are very hard to pull off everytime during a match, but they're extremly damaging.
 
My vote goes to whatever that green octopus thing was in Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter.
This guy:
mshvsf_screen004.jpg
 
Zangief players scare me. You know why?

Everyone has a bit of Ryu in them, they play some casual Guile, maybe an occasional E-Honda.

But no one picks Zangief cause they like his look. No one picks him to fool around and enjoy themselves. There is no such thing as a casual Zangief. Zangief players will beat your motherfucking ass and then you feel bad for getting beaten by Zangief since no one plays him.
 
[quote name='Battousai1002']super smash:

fox - He moves so fast, and his moves require a lot of precision and quick fingers.

soul calibur 2:

ivy - To play normally and be able to continuously buffer the directions for the throw to always keep that option in mind is really crazy, imo. Watching Kageh do this at nationals a few years ago was scary.

voldo - He plays so weirdly, I have no clue what he's doing next. I suck against Voldos, but have a lot of respect for them.

talim - She isn't that hard to use, but the way some people play mind games with her is incredible.

guilty gear x2:

axl - Watching Axl play as both a turtle and pressurer impresses me. He's a natural turtle, but to be able to continuously pressure the opponent with false roman cancels and executing the moves where you have to hold back first in the middle of a string of attacks is respectable.

bridget - Bridget's pressuring abilities are too much for me to handle. It's hard to find a break from the yoyo unless I have burst or I'm someone like Baiken. It's very impressive how one can pressure that well.

street fighter iii: 3rd strike:

yun - watching people juggle with yun's 3rd special always impresses me. since it almost always seems like improvisation and always manages to keep them up.

I don't know enough about other fighters.[/quote]

Fox I never found hard to use at all. None of the SSBM characters are truly hard but I don't really like Ganandorf like Casey said.

I don't find it hard at all to use Ivy at the arcades or at the console level. I use to give so many coins to the machine at the arcade that my Ivy/Voldo/Talim/Maxi characters all had super high stats and had about 5000 wins in conquest mode because nobody could beat them because of their stats.

Talim is an awesome character. One of my favorite fighters of any game. I am just devestating with her. I can block/parry/duck/you name it I can do with her. I love her combos.

Voldo is slightly strange/challneging to use but once you practice he is a piece of cake to either play as or fight against.

Street Fighre 3rd strike has some difficult fighters to use such as Q/and the other character that looks like him (can't think of name)

Zangief isn't terribly hard to play as in any of the games, you just need to practice a little more than others.

For Virtua Fighter, I must say Akira. I used to like him and play him a lot but 4 is just horrible because he is way too slow like Casey said. He also as some killer combos that are near impossible to pull off.

The character that I found very deep and rewarding, with a slight tinge of difficulty is (can't think of anme but the ninja in the blue suit) I love this guy. I learned onhim in VF2 and just have been able to play as him in every incarnation of the VF series.
 
[quote name='Mishimaryu']Akira definately his 1 frame knee move from VF4 ahh K+G,release G I can never pull it off.[/quote]

That's the one move I have trouble with too. I wish I knew how to do it whenever I wanted to. It's a good powerful juggle move.
 
[quote name='"hiccupleftovers"'][quote name='Battousai1002']

The character that I found very deep and rewarding, with a slight tinge of difficulty is (can't think of anme but the ninja in the blue suit) I love this guy. I learned onhim in VF2 and just have been able to play as him in every incarnation of the VF series.[/quote]

I think you're refering to Kage. I always thought he was a begingers character like Jacky and Sarah. The hardest people in VF4 to use I think are Akira, and Goh. Both don't really have any sweeping 360 moves. Their moves are pretty much straight on, so opponents can sidestep without worrying about a spinning roundhouse accross the face. Their strength lies in linking small 2-3 combos with power. Most everyone else has some kind of 4-5 hit string you can do with ease.
 
[quote name='punqsux']eddy gordo[/quote] :rofl: :newbie:

LOL thanks for the laugh. Eddie Gordo is a noob's 1st pick. Lei Wu Long cuts that kapoera out REAL quick :grin:
 
[quote name='"Rodimus Donut"'][quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='Battousai1002']

The character that I found very deep and rewarding, with a slight tinge of difficulty is (can't think of anme but the ninja in the blue suit) I love this guy. I learned onhim in VF2 and just have been able to play as him in every incarnation of the VF series.[/quote]

I think you're refering to Kage. I always thought he was a begingers character like Jacky and Sarah. The hardest people in VF4 to use I think are Akira, and Goh. Both don't really have any sweeping 360 moves. Their moves are pretty much straight on, so opponents can sidestep without worrying about a spinning roundhouse accross the face. Their strength lies in linking small 2-3 combos with power. Most everyone else has some kind of 4-5 hit string you can do with ease.[/quote]

Really?? And yaeh it was Kage I was reffering to, but I have foudn that a lot of people rate him pretty high on the toem pole fo difficutly. I can't think of where I read it, I know it was some magazine. I think it was some extension of ExpertGamer. I know that Jeffrey and that one red/kind of indian looking dude (again I fail to remember the name since I haven't played it in a while) are pretty difficult because they are slow. But definently Akira is hard. Their's no doubt about it.
 
[quote name='"hiccupleftovers"'][quote name='Rodimus Donut'][quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='Battousai1002']

The character that I found very deep and rewarding, with a slight tinge of difficulty is (can't think of anme but the ninja in the blue suit) I love this guy. I learned onhim in VF2 and just have been able to play as him in every incarnation of the VF series.[/quote]

I think you're refering to Kage. I always thought he was a begingers character like Jacky and Sarah. The hardest people in VF4 to use I think are Akira, and Goh. Both don't really have any sweeping 360 moves. Their moves are pretty much straight on, so opponents can sidestep without worrying about a spinning roundhouse accross the face. Their strength lies in linking small 2-3 combos with power. Most everyone else has some kind of 4-5 hit string you can do with ease.[/quote]

Really?? And yaeh it was Kage I was reffering to, but I have foudn that a lot of people rate him pretty high on the toem pole fo difficutly. I can't think of where I read it, I know it was some magazine. I think it was some extension of ExpertGamer. I know that Jeffrey and that one red/kind of indian looking dude (again I fail to remember the name since I haven't played it in a while) are pretty difficult because they are slow. But definently Akira is hard. Their's no doubt about it.[/quote]


Wolf is who you are thinking of
 
Yeah, Wolf and Jeffery. They're both grabby characters, but their grabs do a ton of damage. I think Jeffery is harder to use than Wolf. Wolfs "Big spin move is pretty easy to do, and it takes off like 35% of your life.

I still think either Seth and Angel from KOF are the hardest to use.
 
[quote name='dnt_h8me2']My vote goes to whatever that green octopus thing was in Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter.
This guy:
mshvsf_screen004.jpg
[/quote]

I believe that's Shuma-Gorath

As for the Zangief question, I'm not the greatest at him (I can pull off his 360's about 75% of the time) but I consider myself a 'casual' Zangief player
 
Twelve in SF3:3S. I think that the Japanese won quite a few tournaments with him, but I can't figure out for the life of me how. He seems like such a crappy character...
 
the 360 isn't really true for Zangief. You can 'cheat' the 360 by pulling off a 3/4 circle and press the button and then finish the last 1/4 of the motion. I've found this to be true for all the SF's including the old SFII but it is definitely the easiest in the Alpha series.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']the 360 isn't really true for Zangief. You can 'cheat' the 360 by pulling off a 3/4 circle and press the button and then finish the last 1/4 of the motion. I've found this to be true for all the SF's including the old SFII but it is definitely the easiest in the Alpha series.[/quote]

What he mean's by this is basically: Forward, Forward-down, Down, Up+Punch.

Works for me usually.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='jaykrue']the 360 isn't really true for Zangief. You can 'cheat' the 360 by pulling off a 3/4 circle and press the button and then finish the last 1/4 of the motion. I've found this to be true for all the SF's including the old SFII but it is definitely the easiest in the Alpha series.[/quote]

What he mean's by this is basically: Forward, Forward-down, Down, Up+Punch.

Works for me usually.[/quote]

Actually, I press punch in between the down-to-up motion but ya, that's the general gist
 
[quote name='Richter']anyone who is a grappler[/quote]

I don't deny it but I think if you can figure out someone like Zangief, the other characters are easy as pie. Honestly, I'm primarily a Shotokaner (Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Dan, Shawn, Sakura, etc.) but because of Zangief, I can pull off shoto moves easier and I can think of strategies that I probably wouldn't have were it not for learning Zangief. He's brought my game up to the next level. Now I have general strategies that apply to everyone and when it becomes necessary to use a special, I can then apply them in a situation more appropriately. I don't need to rely on my Dragon Punch all the time when a simple uppercut will do.
 
[quote name='Richter']anyone who is a grappler[/quote]

Nope. Clark and Ralf are easy to use.

Jesus dosn't anyone play anything but Street Fighter!!!!!
It's not the only game out there.
 
fuckING T-HAWK.

I can kick ass with Hugo and Darun Mister. My skills with Birdie and Zangeif is somewhere in between, hell I can do decent with Mika and Sodom. But T-Hawk...no matter how hard I try i just can't do anything with him. He is too slow and a surprising amount of his moves do pitiful damage and have even worse priority (especially that Rising hawk move he has).

It's sucks because I think his design kicks ass.
 
hard to play or hard to win with? i'm pretty slick on the joystick with servbot, but his damage is so shitty, i don't even bother to use him.
 
[quote name='kristianator']hard to play or hard to win with? i'm pretty slick on the joystick with servbot, but his damage is so shitty, i don't even bother to use him.[/quote]

Picking 3 Servebots is fun. More fun if you pick all three with the assit when they throw themselves at you, then you throw a Servebot at them. It gets really confussing with 5 Servbots are the screen.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut'][quote name='Richter']anyone who is a grappler[/quote]

Nope. Clark and Ralf are easy to use.

Jesus dosn't anyone play anything but Street Fighter!!!!!
It's not the only game out there.[/quote]feh, i play the otherside - just SNK fighters
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='jaykrue']the 360 isn't really true for Zangief. You can 'cheat' the 360 by pulling off a 3/4 circle and press the button and then finish the last 1/4 of the motion. I've found this to be true for all the SF's including the old SFII but it is definitely the easiest in the Alpha series.[/quote]

What he mean's by this is basically: Forward, Forward-down, Down, Up+Punch.

Works for me usually.[/quote]

I'll give that a try then. I usually play Guile, Ryu, Ken, E. Honda and Chun Li so I never bothered much with Zangief. Thanks for the tip.
 
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