Has the $250 price changed your mind?

[quote name='David85']Wow people here must really live on another planet. Put down the pot and READ something.[/QUOTE]

Some people engage in concepts known as "jobs" and "sleep" and have what are, in the vernacular, known as "lives" and don't spend every waking hour reading 40 pages of pointless banter over $50 and watching grainy YouTube videos of press conferences.
 
I find it rather amusing that many people were like "oh Wii Sports had BETTER be a pack-in game, it would be retarded to try and sell that on its own." And now, well...
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']I find it rather amusing that many people were like "oh Wii Sports had BETTER be a pack-in game, it would be retarded to try and sell that on its own." And now, well...[/QUOTE]

I believe Cheapy and Wombat were in that camp. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say on the subject in this week's podcast.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']I find it rather amusing that many people were like "oh Wii Sports had BETTER be a pack-in game, it would be retarded to try and sell that on its own." And now, well...[/quote]

I'm reeaaally glad it's a pack in because I never would have bought it on it's own, but I still really wanted to play it.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']I find it rather amusing that many people were like "oh Wii Sports had BETTER be a pack-in game, it would be retarded to try and sell that on its own." And now, well...[/quote]

I'm thinking that most people thought that it would be a pack-in without changing the price of the system. Many would probably still say that it is retarded to try and sell on its own as it doesn't look like a game many people would actively pursue for purchase.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']I'm thinking that most people thought that it would be a pack-in without changing the price of the system. Many would probably still say that it is retarded to try and sell on its own as it doesn't look like a game many people would actively pursue for purchase.[/quote]
Eh.. would they have charged less without it? Companies like nice round numbers (50s and 100s). There's a reason the 360 isn't selling at $289 for the Core and $379 for the Premium. And that the PS3 isnt' selling at $469 and $569. Japan gets a nice round number of 15,000 yen, we get a nice round number of $250, Europe is probably getting 199 euros. If the direct conversion from 15,000 yen is actually $215, all economic factors considered, there's little to no chance a company is going to market their product at the low-low price of $214.99, so they throw in a game to make the increase worthwhile.
 
It's not that Wii Sports is included, it's that they are charging $35 for someone no one would buy.

It should be $225 with Wii Sports.
 
[quote name='botticus']all economic factors considered, there's little to no chance a company is going to market their product at the low-low price of $214.99, so they throw in a game to make the increase worthwhile.[/quote]

I honestly do not think that it will cost them all that much to include the game in. It definitely would cost them way less to include it than the full retail price.

$250 is fair, and as many others here, I've been expecting just that.

Wii Sports looks like a great thing to include, and I'll be god damned, Zelda's still a launch title!
 
[quote name='David85']It's not that Wii Sports is included, it's that they are charging $35 for someone no one would buy.

It should be $225 with Wii Sports.[/QUOTE]They probably had their mind made up on $250, pack-in or no pack-in. So hey, I'm glad we got a pack-in. People are acting like Nintendo is forcing an unwanted purchase on them, but really we're just getting a bonus... it may seem like a thin logistical line, but there is a difference.

It would probably still be $250 if it didn't have a game, and then people would be complaining even more.
 
[quote name='David85']It's not that Wii Sports is included, it's that they are charging $35 for someone no one would buy.

It should be $225 with Wii Sports.[/QUOTE]

I find it amusing that everyone is casting aspersions on Wii Sports when not a single one of us, nor any of the gaming media, has played a final version of it. Hell, we hadn't even heard of Wii Bowling or Wii Boxing until this morning. The game could be fun as Hell. It could suck. The point is no one knows at this point. But gosh, it sure is fun to say "tech demo" and use an angry smiley, isn't it?
 
The problem is that I am scared that the Wii will look liek it has terrible graphics after I play games on the 360 and ps3... BTW, if there are 2 controllers in there, then its a helluvah deal.
 
[quote name='help1']The problem is that I am scared that the Wii will look liek it has terrible graphics after I play games on the 360 and ps3... BTW, if there are 2 controllers in there, then its a helluvah deal.[/QUOTE]
One controller.

And if you're buying the Wii for graphics, you're buying the wrong system. The Wii is about gameplay, not graphics (though many of the titles are shaping up to look quite nice--I was especially impressed with EA's work on Madden from that big IGN interview).
 
[quote name='Tybee']I find it amusing that everyone is casting aspersions on Wii Sports when not a single one of us, nor any of the gaming media, has played a final version of it. Hell, we hadn't even heard of Wii Bowling or Wii Boxing until this morning. The game could be fun as Hell. It could suck. The point is no one knows at this point. But gosh, it sure is fun to say "tech demo" and use an angry smiley, isn't it?[/quote]

Some people (like me) have nearly zero interest in sports games and even if it is the greatest bowling and boxing games ever create it will still suck to us and feel like Nintendo forced us to pay and extra $50 for it.

That being said I think how the games available and launch and how well the controller really functions will determine if I buy a system near launch or not.
 
[quote name='daroga']One controller.

And if you're buying the Wii for graphics, you're buying the wrong system. The Wii is about gameplay, not graphics (though many of the titles are shaping up to look quite nice--I was especially impressed with EA's work on Madden from that big IGN interview).[/quote]

Yup. We won't be talking about going from SNES to NES here. Wii might not be 'about' the graphics, but the graphics for the most part are looking pretty damn good thus far. They hold up...
 
[quote name='daroga']One controller.

And if you're buying the Wii for graphics, you're buying the wrong system. The Wii is about gameplay, not graphics (though many of the titles are shaping up to look quite nice--I was especially impressed with EA's work on Madden from that big IGN interview).[/quote]

I dont buy consoles jsut for graphics, but I sure as hell wouldnt buy a new console now adays if its graphics were n64'd. Sure, wii doesnt have n64 graphics, but after playing games on the 360, games that I once thought had great graphics (halo 2, burnout 3) just look terrible when playing on the original XBOX.
 
[quote name='help1']I dont buy consoles jsut for graphics, but I sure as hell wouldnt buy a new console now adays if its graphics were n64'd. Sure, wii doesnt have n64 graphics, but after playing games on the 360, games that I once thought had great graphics (halo 2, burnout 3) just look terrible when playing on the original XBOX.[/quote]

And a lot of people don't want to pay $400+ for some of the same bad AI.
 
Truthfully, I was hoping for a price tag of between $150-200 myself, and counting I do not have a Xbox 360 yet, if I do get my hands on $250, then I shouldn't have to tell most of you where my $250 would be going.

That's where Nintendo was wrong in saying "the Wii is not competing with 360 or PS3,". When it comes down to buying a console this holiday season, which are people going to want, and at $300-350 the X360 looks to be the obvious decision, IMO.

The Wii will have to prove it's worth to me at $250 before I buy, with some awesome "Wii only" titles. Waiting a while to see is no issue for me.

But I do like the idea of people like my dad (47) being able to play some stuff on it with Wii mote. Alot of the non to casual gamers will probably find it fun.
 
[quote name='botticus']Eh.. would they have charged less without it? Companies like nice round numbers (50s and 100s). There's a reason the 360 isn't selling at $289 for the Core and $379 for the Premium. And that the PS3 isnt' selling at $469 and $569. Japan gets a nice round number of 15,000 yen, we get a nice round number of $250, Europe is probably getting 199 euros. If the direct conversion from 15,000 yen is actually $215, all economic factors considered, there's little to no chance a company is going to market their product at the low-low price of $214.99, so they throw in a game to make the increase worthwhile.[/quote]

Hasn't Japan always received their Nintendo consoles for 25,000 yen? And that price was always converted to $200 here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Either way, I'm still excited for the Wii and will be picking it up at launch.
 
[quote name='BlaqRenaissance']And a lot of people don't want to pay $400+ for some of the same bad AI.[/quote]

In order to get better AI you need power.
 
[quote name='help1']In order to get better AI you need power.[/quote]

To a degree. More importantly, you need developers to build graphics around a game, not build a game around the graphics.
 
[quote name='BlaqRenaissance']To a degree. More importantly, you need developers to build graphics around a game, not build a game around the graphics.[/quote]
Yes but you need power to get graphics. The power is the aspect and granted, I knew the wii will have the least amount of power, but 250 is still ALOT of money for something that still has to prove it self.
 
It all balances out. $250 including a game? All I'll have to buy on top of that is another wii remote/nunchuck set ($60), a classic controller ($30), and a couple of games. Around $400 for all the stuff I need sounds reasonable.
 
I posted this in the main thread, but it probably belongs here instead:

The only people who think this price is too high are those who expected way too much.

Break down what you are getting and you will see it's still an excellent deal for a new console.

The GameCube comes with 1 wired controller for $99. And that's at the end of it's lifecycle. If you consider the controller is worth $20, then the console is only $80.

The Wii has been said to be at least twice as powerful, has much more capability (internet, built-in photo editing, VC capability), and is just overall much newer hardware. It comes with a $60 controller and a $50 game.
[highlight][size=+1]This makes the cost of the Wii console only $140 !!![/size][/highlight]
Isn't $60 extra compared to a gamecube worth it for a NEW, more powerful, more feature-rich system???

What? You think the wii-mote+ nunchaku costs too much???
The xbox360 wireless controller costs $50 and has much less functionality and innovation than the wii remote($40)+nunchaku($20).
How are the wii controllers overpriced again? Be happy you can use 2 GGC on them.

I can understand that maybe they shouldn't have forced wii sports on everyone, but we have only seen some pre-final demos of tennis (and baseball?). The game will include Tennis, Golf, Baseball, Bowling, and Boxing. Don't knock it until you play it. It might be the bargain of the year at $50.

So get over your "too expensive" whining, you deadbeats!! Fun isn't free. :)
 
When they told us it would be under $250, I was hoping at least $50 under, not $0.01. Still, I'll be pre-ordering it with store credit. Had I not built up store credit I might actually have considered waiting for a price drop.
 
I'm fine with the price. I was hoping it wasn't going to be over $250.

After paying $400 for my Xbox 360 on launch, this is a welcome change.
 
Wiimote is 60 Bucks. no thanks. nintendo is just pulling out ipod tactics and banking obscene amounts for accessories.

Also Wii's lack of component cables is quite annoying. So for anyone with a decent setup

Wii 250 + 60 extra controller + 60 Component cables = $370 (same price as the 360 about)

On the positive side it at least might come with wiisports, but from what I played at E3 those games were rather lackluster. At least it's something

People need to get over thier fanboy urges and just see how the wii Pricing isn't as angelic as you might think.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']Wiimote is 60 Bucks. no thanks. nintendo is just pulling out ipod tactics and banking obscene amounts for accessories.
[/quote]
Like I said earlier, controllers are getting expensive. PS3 controller will probably be right inbetween the 360s and the Wiis. There is a lot of stuff packed into those small things.
Also Wii's lack of component cables is quite annoying. So for anyone with a decent setup
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http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6637970.html?tag=cnetfd.mt
People need to get over thier fanboy urges and just see how the wii Pricing isn't as angelic as you might think.
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Some people don't like the 360s price and some people like it. Same with the PS3. That doesn't make them haters or fanboys.
 
[quote name='Foolman']Like I said earlier, controllers are getting expensive. PS3 controller will probably be right inbetween the 360s and the Wiis. There is a lot of stuff packed into those small things.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6637970.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

Some people don't like the 360s price and some people like it. Same with the PS3. That doesn't make them haters or fanboys.[/QUOTE]

From that article you linked:
The Wii's Wi-Fi gaming capabilities will not be available at launch, nor will connectivity with the DS. Pokemon Battle Revolution will be the first title to utilize an online multiplayer, though no U.S. release date was set.
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Uhh dandy, so the first multiplayer game is gonna be Pokemon. Can't wait.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']Wiimote is 60 Bucks. no thanks. nintendo is just pulling out ipod tactics and banking obscene amounts for accessories.[/quote]

Actually, the Wiimote is $40, and the nunchuk is $20. You don't have to have both for a lot of games. Moreover, you can easily take $5 off each with a GGC, knocking the total price down to $50.

Also Wii's lack of component cables is quite annoying. So for anyone with a decent setup

Wii 250 + 60 extra controller + 60 Component cables = $370 (same price as the 360 about)
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No one knows the price of a component cable or even whether the packed in cable will have component capabilities. Someone threw out the $60 figure early in the day, I believe based on a speculative MadCatz cable listing at GameStop.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']Wiimote is 60 Bucks. no thanks. nintendo is just pulling out ipod tactics and banking obscene amounts for accessories.

Also Wii's lack of component cables is quite annoying. So for anyone with a decent setup

Wii 250 + 60 extra controller + 60 Component cables = $370 (same price as the 360 about)

On the positive side it at least might come with wiisports, but from what I played at E3 those games were rather lackluster. At least it's something

People need to get over thier fanboy urges and just see how the wii Pricing isn't as angelic as you might think.[/QUOTE]

So do you think the xbox360 $50 controller is also obscene?

GC component cables only cost $30 when available. I doubt wii components will cost $60. But hopefully they will at least sell them in stores.

Your comparison of the 1 controller, no game 360 to the price of a wii with a game and an extra controller is not a fair comparison.

I think MS is taking more of a loss on hardware than Nintendo, but that doesn't make the price of the Wii obscene. You don't have to be a fanboy to realize the price isn't bad. You just have to stop expecting too much.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']From that article you linked:


Uhh dandy, so the first multiplayer game is gonna be Pokemon. Can't wait.[/quote]


EDIT: Whoops, though you were Zoglog. I posted the link to show that component cables are probably going to be packaged in.
 
I don't like the price of the controller, and the fact that I have to pay $5 for an NES game isn't exactly exciting. I was expecting a cheaper price point too. To top it all off, they are only offering one color, which I hate.
 
[quote name='scottman']I posted this in the main thread, but it probably belongs here instead:

The only people who think this price is too high are those who expected way too much.

Break down what you are getting and you will see it's still an excellent deal for a new console.

The GameCube comes with 1 wired controller for $99. And that's at the end of it's lifecycle. If you consider the controller is worth $20, then the console is only $80.

The Wii has been said to be at least twice as powerful, has much more capability (internet, built-in photo editing, VC capability), and is just overall much newer hardware. It comes with a $60 controller and a $50 game.
[highlight][SIZE=+1]This makes the cost of the Wii console only $140 !!![/SIZE][/highlight]
Isn't $60 extra compared to a gamecube worth it for a NEW, more powerful, more feature-rich system???

What? You think the wii-mote+ nunchaku costs too much???
The xbox360 wireless controller costs $50 and has much less functionality and innovation than the wii remote($40)+nunchaku($20).
How are the wii controllers overpriced again? Be happy you can use 2 GGC on them.

I can understand that maybe they shouldn't have forced wii sports on everyone, but we have only seen some pre-final demos of tennis (and baseball?). The game will include Tennis, Golf, Baseball, Bowling, and Boxing. Don't knock it until you play it. It might be the bargain of the year at $50.

So get over your "too expensive" whining, you deadbeats!! Fun isn't free. :)[/quote]

twice as powerful... eh?


You sound like you have played the wii already... and used the wiimote.

beside motion sensing, the 360 controller, from pictures and personal use of the 360 controller, is better. oh yeah, im cool, I comment on thinks saying osmething is better without using something.
 
[quote name='help1']twice as powerful... eh?


You sound like you have played the wii already... and used the wiimote.

beside motion sensing, the 360 controller, from pictures and personal use of the 360 controller, is better. oh yeah, im cool, I comment on thinks saying osmething is better without using something.[/QUOTE]

I never said the 360 controller was bad, but how can you say a controller that allows simulated sports, light gun, and various other things you can't do with a conventional controller is not innovative or that the technology is not worth the price? Agreed, I haven't used it yet, but initial reports seem positive. If the controller is bad, the whole Wii will flop.

And nothing in my post implied more info than just a restatement of available facts. We can't all be as cool as you. :roll:
 
indeed the controller isn't that big a deal. But for a social interaction console like the wii, not getting a 2nd controller seems excessively lame.

My biggest beef is most likely with the cost of the component cable and the lack of widescreen required. Also I hope the widescreen isn't hashed like the PS2's

we're thinking of getting a wii for the breakroom at the office so we'll see.

any news on Hard Disk size?
 
[quote name='Zoglog']indeed the controller isn't that big a deal. But for a social interaction console like the wii, not getting a 2nd controller seems excessively lame.

My biggest beef is most likely with the cost of the component cable and the lack of widescreen required. Also I hope the widescreen isn't hashed like the PS2's

we're thinking of getting a wii for the breakroom at the office so we'll see.

any news on Hard Disk size?[/QUOTE]

There is not hard disk. It has 512 mb of flash memory for saves.
 
Wii has no hard disk. It has 512 megs of flash ram for storage.

I have never been excited about the Wii controller from day one. The most useful thing I can see it for, is first person shooters as a good substitute for a mouse.

I think the whole motion sensing thing will be really cool..... for about 20 minutes, playing games feels more like work flailing my arms around.

I see no appeal at all in the Wii unless it was cheaper than it is. That way it would be nothing but a much cheaper alternative to the others systems. As it stands, it's cheaper, but not much cheaper. When it hits $150, it might be fun to pick up to play a few Nintendo exclusives....

That being said, I think the Wii will be a big hit with the "10 minute attention span" crowd.... And lord knows that crowd is growing by the millions these days....
 
[quote name='scottman']I never said the 360 controller was bad, but how can you say a controller that allows simulated sports, light gun, and various other things you can't do with a conventional controller is not innovative or that the technology is not worth the price? Agreed, I haven't used it yet, but initial reports seem positive. If the controller is bad, the whole Wii will flop.
[/QUOTE]


They all haven't been positive...I have read people were tired shortly there after, it didn't make sense, and cheapys reviews of the games at e3 weren't glowing either...
 
ehh, i was still considering Wii as more of a second system (wii60), but the price turned me off. Virtual Console interested me, but I was expecting something a little more impressive (rentals, demoes, online play maybe).

And I know I'm going to get flamed to death for this, but as I read Reggie's quote saying "One Color: White," I was reminded of my dreamcast, and got a funny feeling. Both systems have quite a lot in common: costs less than competitors, classic companies in some problems after previous systems, lots of buzz at first, a strong start in sales followed by a sudden nose dive, lots of accessories, potential for creativity. Although there are still plenty of aspects that are different between the two systems (more than i can list here). It was just a sudden thought that popped through my mind.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Damn. That means they could have packed in a second 'chuck and broke even or taken a slight hit per machine. The Big N isn't doing itself any favors today, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]

But that goes against the entire point. "We're a company that deals in entertainment products." Them making immediate profit is the reason they're doing it.
 
I guess I'm just bitching. I've been posting without thinking like crazy since yesterday and I think I'm going to take a couple of days off to cool down a bit.
 
I posted this in another thread but this one seems to be where everyone is discussing it... anyway:

I am a HUGE Nintendo fan (the Gamecube is my favorite system of all time... well maybe the SNES is... but it's definitely one of those two). I've owned every home system on launch day (except for the NES which I got the following summer when I saved enough money from mowing lawns to buy it - hey, I was in 6th grade). I am really looking forward to the Wii and for $200 I was definitely going to get one on Launch Day ... but now I'm on the fence and leaning towards no.

All I want to play is Zelda and I think that there are enough great games coming out for the 360 this Fall to keep me plenty busy (I can't believe I just wrote that considering I never owned an Xbox and really never considered my 360 as anything but a secondary system for the upcoming generation but damn I love it). The Wii IS a modified Gamecube and arguably has next-gen controls (we'll see how it pans out over time) but definitely NOT next-gen anything else. The extra $50 which is nothing but a total fleece job IS a deal-breaker.

Nintendo really dropped the ball, IMO.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I posted this in another thread but this one seems to be where everyone is discussing it... anyway:

I am a HUGE Nintendo fan (the Gamecube is my favorite system of all time... well maybe the SNES is... but it's definitely one of those two). I've owned every home system on launch day (except for the NES which I got the following summer when I saved enough money from mowing lawns to buy it - hey, I was in 6th grade). I am really looking forward to the Wii and for $200 I was definitely going to get one on Launch Day ... but now I'm on the fence and leaning towards no.

All I want to play is Zelda and I think that there are enough great games coming out for the 360 this Fall to keep me plenty busy (I can't believe I just wrote that considering I never owned an Xbox and really never considered my 360 as anything but a secondary system for the upcoming generation but damn I love it). The Wii IS a modified Gamecube and arguably has next-gen controls (we'll see how it pans out over time) but definitely NOT next-gen anything else. The extra $50 which is nothing but a total fleece job IS a deal-breaker.

Nintendo really dropped the ball, IMO.[/QUOTE]

QFT. I feel pretty much exactly the same. I'm going to try and wait a month or two after it's released to see where the system's at before I decide. Every piece of news today was totally negative for me. If things look a lot better after it's released I'll plop down the cash, but if not I know there will be some really good 360 games coming out that will deserve my $$$ while the Wii can wait for a price drop.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Damn. That means they could have packed in a second 'chuck and broke even or taken a slight hit per machine. The Big N isn't doing itself any favors today, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]

Didn't expect that. Then they really could have easily sold it for $200 if they thought it would sell more units. Arrogance or confidence?
 
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