Has the Pope's comments set us on a path to WW3?

World War 3 has already started. Long before the pope's comments. Why would that make you nervous? It's a peaceful religion, there's nothing to be worried about. If only 5% of muslims are extremists then we only have to deal with something like 100 million of them. No reason to be worried or nervous.

Hopefully you can sense the sarcasm.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367232-details/The+Pope+must+die%2C+says+Muslim/article.do

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2363459,00.html
 
Is it be the Pope's comments, or the militants' reaction?
 
That's what we get with Nazi Pope. Of course the Muslims to be taking it well and not proving his point at all. :roll:
 
[quote name='schuerm26']World War 3 has already started. Long before the pope's comments. Why would that make you nervous? It's a peaceful religion, there's nothing to be worried about. If only 5% of muslims are extremists then we only have to deal with something like 100 million of them. No reason to be worried or nervous.

Hopefully you can sense the sarcasm.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367232-details/The+Pope+must+die%2C+says+Muslim/article.do[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you can explain to me how you can cite a source like this as evidence of Islam's inherent barbarism, yet Pat Robertson advocating the overthrow and assassination of Hugo Chavez doesn't incriminate Christianity as a whole?
 
Im officially done arguing about this stuff with you Vermin. You either are unable to see the big picture of what is going on in the middle east or you choose not to just to argue. I am thinking it is more the latter.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Im officially done arguing about this stuff with you Vermin. You either are unable to see the big picture of what is going on in the middle east or you choose not to just to argue. I am thinking it is more the latter.[/QUOTE]


That lovely ignore feature is always handy when it comes to him.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Im officially done arguing about this stuff with you Vermin. You either are unable to see the big picture of what is going on in the middle east or you choose not to just to argue. I am thinking it is more the latter.[/quote]

"Stop making me prove all my bigotted accusations."
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Im officially done arguing about this stuff with you Vermin. You either are unable to see the big picture of what is going on in the middle east or you choose not to just to argue. I am thinking it is more the latter.[/QUOTE]

:lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Perhaps you can explain to me how you can cite a source like this as evidence of Islam's inherent barbarism, yet Pat Robertson advocating the overthrow and assassination of Hugo Chavez doesn't incriminate Christianity as a whole?[/quote]

That is one person saying it. Were a bunch of followers basically being barbarians, rioting and shooting people of muslim faith? Oh yeah, because we aren't barbaric. They attacked churches, shot a nun, all because of this comment. Give me a break on it not being barbaric. They believe in beheading people who don't believe. How much more barbaric activity do you want vermin?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Perhaps you can explain to me how you can cite a source like this as evidence of Islam's inherent barbarism, yet Pat Robertson advocating the overthrow and assassination of Hugo Chavez doesn't incriminate Christianity as a whole?[/quote]

That is a quote saying the pope must die because of a comment. I added another article about christians must die. They shot a nun in the back because of the pope's comment. They attacked churches because of a comment. It's agree with them and their religion or die. How much more barbarism do you need vermin.

You know what civilized people do if they are offended by a comment? Ignore it, debate or tell the person off. They don't threaten to massacre people of that religion, skin color, however you want to classify something. That is barbarism vermin. I am amazed at how many Americans are able to defend these people's actions.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']That is a quote saying the pope must die because of a comment. I added another article about christians must die. They shot a nun in the back because of the pope's comment. They attacked churches because of a comment. It's agree with them and their religion or die. How much more barbarism do you need vermin.

You know what civilized people do if they are offended by a comment? Ignore it, debate or tell the person off. They don't threaten to massacre people of that religion, skin color, however you want to classify something. That is barbarism vermin. I am amazed at how many Americans are able to defend these people's actions.[/quote]

So... why don't you just ignore all the Muslims if you're so civilized? :lol:
 
[quote name='Kayden']So... why don't you just ignore all the Muslims if you're so civilized? :lol:[/quote]

Ignoring, because that worked so well for the Clinton Administration

What is it that you people on the left can't see about this being a religious war and they want all non-muslims dead or converted. It amazes me how this is not taken seriously by you people. You feel the need to make Americans the bad guys in seemingly every situation. Read the first paragraph.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_re_mi_ea/muslims_pope

"We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose the 'jizya' tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (being killed by) the sword." That is a quote in that article.

"You infidels and despots, we will continue our jihad (holy war) and never stop until God avails us to chop your necks and raise the fluttering banner of monotheism, when God's rule is established governing all people and nations," said the statement by the Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization of Sunni Arab extremist groups in Iraq." There is another quote

Still not seeing the barbarism vermin?
 
:rofl: I don't agree with you, ergo I must be a lefty radical? And just who does "you people" refer to? Is that anyone 'dumb' enough to not just to up and hate Muslims? Aren't you accusing them of being barberous for jumping the gun and calling for blood? You're saying theres a war brewing, so you leave us to infer you advocate an equal physical response.

Now lets look at it from another angle. A "radical fudimentalist" group says a bunch of anti-everyone-not-Muslim statements.

What if a Jew got on his blog and said that God is going to destroy the world and save only "His people"- those being the Jews. The Jewish holy texts speak of such happenings.

How about a bunch of Catholic zealots bombing abortion clinics to "save lives"?

There are biggots, fools, simpletons and idiots everywhere. Reacting to them in the fashion they act against you in only makes you as pitiful as they are.

Now, don't take that to say don't kill them if they're coming at you with a knife or shoe bomb. ( :roll: ) However, don't get up in arms an advocate the eradication of an entire people just because one dipshit in the crowd is insane. Perfect example- How do you think we'd feel if everyone read your comments and thought we all felt the same?

[quote name='schuerm26']Ignoring, because that worked so well for the Clinton Administration

What is it that you people on the left can't see about this being a religious war and they want all non-muslims dead or converted. It amazes me how this is not taken seriously by you people. You feel the need to make Americans the bad guys in seemingly every situation. Read the first paragraph.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_re_mi_ea/muslims_pope

"We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose the 'jizya' tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (being killed by) the sword." That is a quote in that article.

"You infidels and despots, we will continue our jihad (holy war) and never stop until God avails us to chop your necks and raise the fluttering banner of monotheism, when God's rule is established governing all people and nations," said the statement by the Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization of Sunni Arab extremist groups in Iraq." There is another quote

Still not seeing the barbarism vermin?[/quote]
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Still not seeing the barbarism vermin?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='mykevermin']Perhaps you can explain to me how you can cite a source like this as evidence of Islam's inherent barbarism, yet Pat Robertson advocating the overthrow and assassination of Hugo Chavez doesn't incriminate Christianity as a whole?[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Seriously, though, I have to admit that this surprised the hell out of me:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Monday that he respected Pope Benedict XVI, apparently downplaying the pontiff's remarks regarding Islam and holy war.

"Regarding the issue of the Pope's comments, we respect the pope and all of those who are interested in peace and justice," Ahmadinejad told a press conference as he wrapped up a two-day visit to Venezuela.

The Iranian leader's comments came a day after the pope apologized for the angry response to a speech he gave last week, quoting a medieval text characterizing some of the Prophet Muhammad's teachings as "evil and inhuman."

Benedict said on Sunday that he was "deeply sorry" his speech offended Muslims, and that those words did not reflect his own opinions.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1157913657839&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

What barbarism! What venom! What seething hatred! Er....oh, nevermind.

I'm sorry that this may not fit into your tidy little world where the West is the Autobots and Muslims are the Decepticons, but then again, I'm also sorry that the real world doesn't resemble your blanket disdain for all Muslims. Why don't you vote Bush out of office in favor of a candidate who promises to exterminate all Muslims, since that appears to be what you want (ironically enough, given the source of your outrage)?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol:

Seriously, though, I have to admit that this surprised the hell out of me:



http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1157913657839&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

What barbarism! What venom! What seething hatred! Er....oh, nevermind.

I'm sorry that this may not fit into your tidy little world where the West is the Autobots and Muslims are the Decepticons, but then again, I'm also sorry that the real world doesn't resemble your blanket disdain for all Muslims. Why don't you vote Bush out of office in favor of a candidate who promises to exterminate all Muslims, since that appears to be what you want (ironically enough, given the source of your outrage)?[/quote]

You keep buying into his bull**** vermin. That's scary that you are a professor and can get played like a fiddle. This man is the 2nd coming of Hitler. Don't put words in my mouth about exterminating all muslims. Never have i said anything like that. You do seem to have a habit of blindly inserting racial remarks into other people's mouths.
 
the cold war was WWIII

and i guess this just happened too.




Retired Colonel: ‘We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now. The Evidence Is Overwhelming.’
Just now on CNN, Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner (Ret.) said, “We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming.”

Gardiner, who taught at the U.S. Army’s National War College, has previously suggested that U.S. forces were already on the ground in Iran. Today he added several additional new points:

1) The House Committee on Emerging Threats recently called on State and Defense Department officials to testify on whether U.S. forces were in Iran. The officials didn’t come to the hearing.

2) “We have learned from Time magazine today that some U.S. naval forces had been alerted for deployment. That is a major step.”

3) “The plan has gone to the White House. That’s not normal planning. When the plan goes to the White House, that means we’ve gone to a different state.”
 
[quote name='schuerm26']You keep buying into his bull**** vermin. That's scary that you are a professor and can get played like a fiddle. This man is the 2nd coming of Hitler.[/QUOTE]

:sigh: I have no love for Ahmedinejad in the slightest, but I'm sorry that your brain turns off when presented with evidence contrary to the arguments you're making. You're telling me that all Muslims are violent, fire-breating maniacs ready to annihilate the Christians. I show you the manical leader of Iran saying something that makes sense and is indicative of a far more moderate position than he has ever shown in his public existence, and you feel the need to remind me that he's a maniac? Well, no shit, sherlock. Doesn't change the fact that he publicly declared something that you agree with. Don't be offended with it, as you're a fool to think that you and he are polar opposites; that's just the way the world works. He says "leave the old Catholic dude alone," and you can't even let it register in your mind. What is so fucking tough about admitting that, for one moment in his life, he said something that makes sense? Don't fool yourself into thinking that it somehow makes you a hypocrite or that you lose some ideological standing because you say something like "hey, he's onto something there." It doesn't mean that he's suddenly right about everything. Jesus fucking Christ, kid, sometimes your good and evil world, and your concepts of how to maintain political consistency really irritate the shit out of me.

Besides, I thought you were going to ignore me. :lol:

Once more for good measure; maybe you'll even notice it this time.

[quote name='mykevermin']Perhaps you can explain to me how you can cite a source like this as evidence of Islam's inherent barbarism, yet Pat Robertson advocating the overthrow and assassination of Hugo Chavez doesn't incriminate Christianity as a whole?[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] the West is the Autobots and Muslims are the Decepticons[/quote]

I hate the Decepticons. Especially Starscream. He's whiny.
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']the cold war was WWIII[/QUOTE] A war without a shot ever being fired. That's a new one to me.

and i guess this just happened too.




Retired Colonel: ‘We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now. The Evidence Is Overwhelming.’
Just now on CNN, Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner (Ret.) said, “We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming.”

Gardiner, who taught at the U.S. Army’s National War College, has previously suggested that U.S. forces were already on the ground in Iran. Today he added several additional new points:

1) The House Committee on Emerging Threats recently called on State and Defense Department officials to testify on whether U.S. forces were in Iran. The officials didn’t come to the hearing.

2) “We have learned from Time magazine today that some U.S. naval forces had been alerted for deployment. That is a major step.”

3) “The plan has gone to the White House. That’s not normal planning. When the plan goes to the White House, that means we’ve gone to a different state.”

1) There is no House Committee on Emerging Threats. There is a Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations. On their site, there is no evidence of any such called-for testimony. I'd like this person to show some evidence.

2) Time Magazine. That's the first place I go for my breaking news. But I do see that info. But it's pretty vague, and it looks like it's more of a blockade action.

3) The only thing I found on that was dated in April, and it was speculative, and talked about Intel Ops inside Iran. No kidding. I would have never thought to put ground assets inside a country that has repeatedly talked about killing 'the head of the snake.' Geez, that's brilliant.


I've never heard of the guy, but apparently he's 'an expert on strategic games.' He talks about possibilities. That's ok, my AF buddies tend to get a little excited anytime the possibility of actually doing anything comes around ;)
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']A war without a shot ever being fired. That's a new one to me.[/QUOTE]

We all know your ignorance knows no bounds.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']A war without a shot ever being fired. That's a new one to me.
[/QUOTE]

you are shockingly ignorant and probably should not be posting your personal opinions online for others to read. also, don't bother to reply with a defense of your statement above as being misunderstood b/c it's quite clear how you view the Cold War

How many shots were fired during the Soviet/Afghan war? How about Korea or Vietnam...? Do Angola, El Salvador and Nicaragua ring a bell? And I'm sure that you wouldn't count the Cuban Missle Crisis as part of the Cold War.... well... b/c there was 'no shots fired'! lmao. Wowzers.

No, the origins of the Cold War lie in the immediate aftermath of post WWII economic expansion and its effect stretches all the way up until the early 70's, encompassing many, many more concentrated direct conflicts that were either fought by proxy or were directly related to the larger goals of the U.S. and S.U.


I realize it's popular these days to just speak in sound bytes that avoid brushing up against acutal facts or even educated opinions... but honestly - you should try thinking before you post some crap like that.


Before you ever talk about the Cold War again, you should also read up on Igor Gouzenko.
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']you are shockingly ignorant and probably should not be posting your personal opinions online for others to read. also, don't bother to reply with a defense of your statement above as being misunderstood b/c it's quite clear how you view the Cold War

How many shots were fired during the Soviet/Afghan war? How about Korea or Vietnam...? Do Angola, El Salvador and Nicaragua ring a bell? And I'm sure that you wouldn't count the Cuban Missle Crisis as part of the Cold War.... well... b/c there was 'no shots fired'! lmao. Wowzers.

No, the origins of the Cold War lie in the immediate aftermath of post WWII economic expansion and its effect stretches all the way up until the early 70's, encompassing many, many more concentrated direct conflicts that were either fought by proxy or were directly related to the larger goals of the U.S. and S.U.


I realize it's popular these days to just speak in sound bytes that avoid brushing up against acutal facts or even educated opinions... but honestly - you should try thinking before you post some crap like that.


Before you ever talk about the Cold War again, you should also read up on Igor Gouzenko.[/QUOTE]

Wow. One smart word in all of your post. I'm proud. If you would actually go to school and learn about this stuff instead of reading a Wiki, you'd come off a lot smarter. I know I did, and your little history lesson doesn't even compare. And you're completely off in your assertions about the origins of the Cold War. Do a little more research and get back to us.
 
I might as well go ahead and post this, because I'm going to be taking a break from forums for the next few weeks.

Leading up to the 1936 election, Roosevelt had come under quite a bit of fire from anti-communist groups and from canidates such as Landon (Republican), Father Coughlin & Gerald Smith, and ultimately William Lemke ("Union"), Alfred Smith (Liberty League) accusing Roosevelt's policies and ideas as being socialist (which, in some respects, they really were). That is fact. My theory (which I have heard echoed in private conversations) is that Roosevelt became a very public anti-communist supporter. It's not that much of a stretch to think that public opinion could sway someone's ideas and thoughts. Before now, he really didn't pay much attention to it. He was already against Fascism, so it ultimately became a choice between the lesser of two evils in his mind as WWII developed (especially when Guderian's brilliant attacks rendered half the continent under German control): If the Soviets fell, or worse, signed a treaty with Hitler, then a war with Germany could last 10 years, and the US still not win. Roosevelt had already decided to help Churchill (who did a brilliant job of gaining support) with the threats of a German invasion imminent upon the Isles. If they fell, the world's oceans would be the German's to control.

If Stalin decided to sign a treaty with Hitler, it would mean the immediate destruction of every Allied power currently in the war (Britian, it's colonies, and the Free French - remember, Hitler didn't declare on the US until December 11th). At best it would mean Japan, Germany, the US, and everything the Germans and Japanese wanted. At worse, it would mean the ultimate showdown between the Japanese and Germans teaming up on the US. Something we would not have survived, based upon the vast resources Russia, the ME and Indochina would have contributed to the war effort.

So, Roosevelt had to at least give Stalin a nugget. Something that would entice him to stay in the war. Roosevelt's agreement to provide supplies through Iran (although it would take about three months) combined with Hitler's absolute non-fucking knowledge about how to run a campaign led to the Soviet's survival through the winter of '41-'42 and ultimately to the Red Star being hoisted upon the Nazi Party buildings in Berlin. We got the wine (literally) and they got the Party HQ at the cost of 100k troops. C'est la vie, I suppose.

But Roosevelt (and particularly Churchill) didn't trust Stalin. Roosevelt thought him a nice enough guy (even calling him a 'nice Christian man' or something to the effect), but the Manhattan Project was definetly not going to be shared with Stalin, because the US and Britian wanted the upper hand in post-war politics. (Didn't see India coming, did you?) The Grand Alliance was not meant to last beyond WWII, and it wasn't going to. Because of the initial distrust of Stalin at the first meetings, it led to further rifts when Stalin made decisions that would fall away from the US's view.

On the Soviet side, there are a myriad of reasons why they hated the US specifically. First, the idea of the proletariat conflicted directly with the US economy and how it was designed to cater to the big business and entrepreneurs that existed in the 20s, and the 30s (in regards to the Rockefellers, etc). Communist doctrine (based on Marxism) decreed that farms and business belong to the people (read: the state) and individuals should not have what the masses could not. So, Lenin and Stalin had pounded that into the people (and if you didn't like it, it was death or Siberia). Furthermore, and more importantly, it was viewed that the US and Britian had delayed on purpose committing supplies and goods to the Soviet people and had let them take the brunt of the death, decay and damage brought upon by the German's attack. With Japan not revealing it's true motives until late in 1941, Stalin could not commit the Far Eastern units that would have probably repelled Hitler initially (given if his commanders had seen the Panzer strength of en masse attacks and not spreading out tanks along the front, that's a big if I know). But nevertheless, there was a growing resentment towards the end of the war that they had fought this war all by themselves...something that Stalin definetly didn't dissuage after he had learned about the secret nuclear development Roosevelt had even hidden from Churchill to some extent (specifically Project Alberta) and development between the US and UK.

And after the war, we know all the rest. The Berlin Airlift, and beyond. I've run out of time, and I'm going on pure memory, so don't crucify me if some of my facts are incorrect. A lot of my paper was fact, and the rest was extrapolated theory. Went down well, for what it's worth.

Anyways, so like I said, I'm going on a little hiatus to take care of some personal matters like my kids. So have fun in my absense.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Wow. One smart word in all of your post. I'm proud. If you would actually go to school and learn about this stuff instead of reading a Wiki, you'd come off a lot smarter. I know I did, and your little history lesson doesn't even compare. And you're completely off in your assertions about the origins of the Cold War. Do a little more research and get back to us.[/QUOTE]

i learned it in school, genius...

;)

and more than one shot was fired during the cold war

sorry.... you lose
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']i learned it in school, genius...

;)

and more than one shot was fired during the cold war

sorry.... you lose[/QUOTE]

You're so convincing, I should just give up right now.
 
i dunno, guys, i've been to thoe arab countries and i've definitely seen some barbaric looking people.

i mean, sure, the majority of "them" are just farmers, shopkeepers and really really kind poor people, but seriously

when i was invited into someone's house and subsuquently fed and lodged for free for a week, i kept thinking, "when's the barbarism going to get me?"

someone fuckin stole my sandwich on my last day in Tunisia, and i swear to god those fuckin arabs!!!!!
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']someone fuckin stole my sandwich on my last day in Tunisia, and i swear to god those fuckin arabs!!!!![/QUOTE]

That's a call for immediate noo-kyuh-luhr WARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
 
what i'm trying to say is that them therr arabs is just tew backwerds with their kurans and their couscous, n' carpets n' coffee.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That's a call for immediate noo-kyuh-luhr WARRRRRRR!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Would you settle for a children's crusade? After all, it is just a sandwich.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Would you settle for a children's crusade? After all, it is just a sandwich.[/QUOTE]

Add a documentary, and we got a deal.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Would you settle for a children's crusade? After all, it is just a sandwich.[/quote]

JUST A SANDWICH!?

Sausage mergez
harissa
slices of hard boiled egg
cheese

all on a home made longroll


JUST A SANDWICH?
 
Originally Posted by mykevermin
Perhaps you can explain to me how you can cite a source like this as evidence of Islam's inherent barbarism, yet Pat Robertson advocating the overthrow and assassination of Hugo Chavez doesn't incriminate Christianity as a whole?

The problem with myke is that, not only does he enjoy accusing others of the dreaded "arguing the converse" error, he employs the same tactic in his own half-thought out retorts and passs them off as profundity.

The real evil in mykes intent, however, is that he KNOWS that pat robertson suggesting Chavez be killed is not nearly equal to the situation with the Pope. While follers of Robertson may send more money to the 700 club, and bow their heads to thank jesus for being idiots, None of them are staging protests, burning effigies, tortillas, hammer and sythe, or threatening Chavez with personal attack, or shooting random communists to make god happy for insulting christianity. Neither are Robert's peers joining him in jihad to pronounce disinfranchisement and oppression by Chavez against christianity to justify their zealotry.

Unfortunately for Myke, in Robertson's case, the american media laughingly dismisses him as a senile fundmental christian nutcase and eagerly awaits the next bit of headline fodder that spews from his lips.

And myke, eagerly awaits the next aborrtrion doctor slaying so that he can erroneously use it in an argument to prove millitant Islam is indeed the religion of peace.
 
the point is that there are militant faction of all religion.

the point is that geopolitical conflict deals with religion in a completely different way than the base of the religion itself.

it's not islam, it's certain factions that use islam (hezballah!)
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']the point is that there are militant factions of all religion that are overall minorities of a group.

the point is that geopolitical conflict deals with religion in a completely different way than the base of the religion itself.

it's not islam, it's certain factions that use islam (hezballah!)[/QUOTE]

fix'd. bmulligan would argue with me if I tried to contend that he has two ears, so don't worry about him. I actually have the same views on organized religion (general disdain) that he does. He just likes to argue with me for the sake of it being me.
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']the point is that there are militant faction of all religion.

the point is that geopolitical conflict deals with religion in a completely different way than the base of the religion itself.

it's not islam, it's certain factions that use islam (hezballah!)[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately for us, the Islamic-jihadist-terrorist world is much more than a small,radical, fanatic faction. It's a movement across many regions, nations, and ethnic groups that has been nurtured for decades. It's more of a way of life to teach their children to hate america, blame us for their disenfranchisement, and teach their children to revere death in the name of allah of themselves as martyrs, and the kuffas they kill in allah's name. it's much more than an anomaly, or splinter group.

People like Myke would rather believe he only has one ear instead of admitting to this fact.
 
again i'm not saying that it's not a big problem - but in order to frame an argument or point, i think it's important to consider the fact that it is a faction, not the whole - and to further this, once you begin to equate islam (yes even radical islam) with terroism on a 1-1 ratio, you have lots of innocent, poor and controlled people wrapped under the heading of terrorists.

is it difficult to distinguish between fundamental islamic terroists nuts and fundamental islamic poor people trying to get by?

yes.

we sit and argue and throw black to white and white to black, but at the end of the day, it is an extremely volitile, complicated and dense situation - which in turn should force us to ask revealing, probing and thoughtful questions.

not "islamic arabs spread the terroist word and bomb mcdonalds."
 
I find it funny that muslims are angered by the Pope's claim that their religion promotes violence, so what do they do? BURN GIANT LIKENESSES OF HIM WHILE SCREAMING ABOUT HOW BAD THEY WANNA KILL HIM. Yes, that's not violent at all.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']I find it funny that muslims are angered by the Pope's claim that their religion promotes violence, so what do they do? BURN GIANT LIKENESSES OF HIM WHILE SCREAMING ABOUT HOW BAD THEY WANNA KILL HIM. Yes, that's not violent at all.[/QUOTE]

Such is the inherent hypocrisy of organized religion. "Religion of peace" members burn an effigy. "Christ is love" believers drag gay teen to his death behind pick-up. Jews try to blow up Islamic daycare centers. Buddhists drop Sarin nerve gas in subways.

Best to stay away from that BS altogether, I say.

So ... what the fuck is the point of this thread again? All the "torture is good, rights are bad, up is down, black is white, we have always been at war with Eurasia" threads around here lately have finally started to blur together for me.
 
[quote name='trq']Such is the inherent hypocrisy of organized religion. "Religion of peace" members burn an effigy. "Christ is love" believers drag gay teen to his death behind pick-up. Jews try to blow up Islamic daycare centers. Buddhists drop Sarin nerve gas in subways.[/QUOTE]

Isn't this the stupid generalization statement of the day? What about I say white Midwesterners blow up federal buildings or blacks wrongly accuse police officers of rape? Because, clearly, like saying all Muslims are terrorists, it makes perfect sense that since one person with certain characteristics did something, all others with those characteristics will or have done the same.

A question for you: Do you have a moustache (Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin) or not (Pol Pot)?
 
Mm... that shows clearly how peacefully islam could be.
Not just mention the fact, the anger results from "not" understanding the contex.
Soon everybody has to salut to the islam the way they understand him. Wow... it blows my mind.

[quote name='Maklershed']I'm interested to hear what people's opinions are on this matter. I for one dont believe it's too much of a stretch of the imagination to believe they did.

Also, reading stuff like this makes me very nervous:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/18/pope.islam.ap/index.html[/quote]
 
Has the Pope's comments set us on a path to WW3?

No.

If all it took was an offensive comment towards a religious group, the path to WW3 would have been paved LONG ago. There have been so many more incendiary situations in the world (Israel/Hezbollah was supposedly the start of WW3 last month) and surprisingly we haven't annihilated ourselves yet. Each day we read about man's inhumanity towards man and I am surprised society has held together as well as it has (at least in some parts of the world anyway). I still hold true to the belief that the average, common man simply wants to live in peace regardless of the extraneous bullshit in the world. I normally don't hold many idealistic views like that, but it is one of the few that deep down I hope to be true. Now, the problem with that belief is that in few parts of the world do the governments in control truly represent the common man.

My best friend is Muslim and I really should just ask how he felt, but I haven't had a chance to talk to him in a while.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Isn't this the stupid generalization statement of the day? What about I say white Midwesterners blow up federal buildings or blacks wrongly accuse police officers of rape? Because, clearly, like saying all Muslims are terrorists, it makes perfect sense that since one person with certain characteristics did something, all others with those characteristics will or have done the same.[/QUOTE]

Well ... yeah, frankly, it is. I can see I didn't really make it clear, but that's actually what I was getting at: people of all stripes do all kinds of terrible things, so if we're going to start generalizing about Muslims, why stop there? I could have very easily continued that list until my fingers bled: Athiests torture dissidents in secret prisons, Americans burn Vietnamese babies with napalm, and yes, white Midwesterners blow up federal buildings, etc.

Obviously I did a crap job of making that even remotely apparent. Mea culpa.

[quote name='elprincipe']A question for you: Do you have a moustache (Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin) or not (Pol Pot)?[/QUOTE]

Neither: I have a long, unkempt beard (like Jesus!) and a tattoo of a swastika (it's originally a sun symbol, after all!) on my forehead. I figure that's got to be so uncommon, there can't be any negative connotations to that look, right?
 
[quote name='trq']Well ... yeah, frankly, it is. I can see I didn't really make it clear, but that's actually what I was getting at: people of all stripes do all kinds of terrible things, so if we're going to start generalizing about Muslims, why stop there? I could have very easily continued that list until my fingers bled: Athiests torture dissidents in secret prisons, Americans burn Vietnamese babies with napalm, and yes, white Midwesterners blow up federal buildings, etc.

Obviously I did a crap job of making that even remotely apparent. Mea culpa.[/QUOTE]

Sorry about that, evidently we agree. I think most people who generalize about Muslims don't know anyone who is Muslim. If they did, they'd realize very quickly that Muslims are just like the rest of us on planet Earth, it's just that they pray more frequently and have different holidays and traditions.
 
[quote name='trq']Buddhists drop Sarin nerve gas in subways.
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Please tell me these nutjobs didn't tout themselves as Buddhists and you're joking. I can't see anywhere in Buddhist teaching that advocates this kind of crap.
Btw el have you even checked my latest thread? I figured you would be one of the first to comment or something. Granted you definitely break with Goldwater on 1 Social issue but overall don't you consider yourself to be a Libertarian?
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Please tell me these nutjobs didn't tout themselves as Buddhists and you're joking. I can't see anywhere in Buddhist teaching that advocates this kind of crap.
Btw el have you even checked my latest thread? I figured you would be one of the first to comment or something. Granted you definitely break with Goldwater on 1 Social issue but overall don't you consider yourself to be a Libertarian?[/QUOTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo
 
Great even a religion that basically says you can't do that plainly manages to get some assholes who muck it up so Buddhists can't even throw stones at Jews, Christians and Muslims without getting it thrown back at them because of this ONE incident.
 
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