HD-DVD add-on now available - General Discussion (HARDWARE only)

[quote name='guyver2077']ironically superman 2 is the only hd dvd that has shipped from my buy.com order.. fucking part 1 and returns are "on order". im scared of cancelling because dont know how the refund process works with g checkout[/QUOTE]


Join the club!

I've been waiting TWELVE business days for my Riddick. Just received an email from customer service saying they are giving me the option of them sending a replacement or canceling. I want my disc, so I said just send it again, but lets try to do it in a timely manner.

Also "on order" for Smallville S5...even though the website shows "IN STOCK" and ships in 1-2 business days. BS! I emailed them about this as well.

After these deals come through i'm done with buy.com.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Awesome news on Clerks II, I'm so glad I missed the "sales" last week. $17.99 was the cheapest I could find, now I'll just use that $17.99 towards the HD-DVD version. I wonder if they would consider the re-release Clerks on HD-DVD as well.[/QUOTE]

As much as I enjoyed Clerks...HD-DVD for the first one would be overkill. I don't know how much more they could "clean up" that quality-limited source material.


I keep thinking Superman Returns HD will show up on XBL marketplace, but nothing yet. Sigh. What, they can put up Poseidon (for which the HD-DVD release got indefinitely postponed), but they can't get up Superman Returns? Booo.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Study: Consumers Prefer HD DVD Over Blu-Ray

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=19223[/QUOTE]

http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm

Sales Rank at Amazon
salesrank-1-1-.jpg


black is HD, blu is blu-ray

more graphs showing HD's dominance at thedvdwars.com
 
Well, I'm seriously considering joining the HD-DVD club. I have an HDTV, and, with the Circiut City coupon and Amazon HD-DVD deals, I'm having a had time resisting the urge to get the Xbox 360 attachment. I kept telling myself I wouldn't get HD-DVD or Blu-Ray until one dominated the other because I didn't want to end up on the losing side, but I may just cave.
 
I put in a request for a seperate HD-DVD subforum but I wouldn't count on getting one anytime soon. But, we're already getting threads here and there and it's only going to grow over time.


[quote name='LinkinPrime']This site: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

Has a pretty good list of release dates for upcoming titles as well as titles announced with release dates that are TBD.[/QUOTE]
...you know that has been in the OP for like a month, right...?
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']I put in a request for a seperate HD-DVD subforum but I wouldn't count on getting one anytime soon. But, we're already getting threads here and there and it's only going to grow over time.



...you know that has been in the OP for like a month, right...?[/quote]

No I didnt know. :whistle2:# Been following the thread but I haven't checked the Op in a long time.
 
getting the addon is really tempting, and i keep trying to talk myself out of it. i just got an hd-tv and i can definately tell a difference between my hd videos, and my normal dvds.
 
[quote name='getfckedx']getting the addon is really tempting, and i keep trying to talk myself out of it. i just got an hd-tv and i can definately tell a difference between my hd videos, and my normal dvds.[/QUOTE]

If you're TV has component inputs you will notice a difference...even if its NOT HD. This is a sexy little add-on. I sold my A1 unit for this. I only WISH the 360 would get HDMI support.
 
I posted this in the deals thread but if anyone is looking for a cheap HD-DVD I picked up Cinderella Man at Target on clearance for $4.98. YMMV.
 
[quote name='flybrione']I posted this in the deals thread but if anyone is looking for a cheap HD-DVD I picked up Cinderella Man at Target on clearance for $4.98. YMMV.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit! Why would an HD-DVD be on clearance already? That's scary.
 
More anti Blu-Ray news:

Will Blu-ray Zap PlayStation 3?
Sony may have miscalculated when it decided to include the advanced high-definition Blu-ray drive in its PlayStation 3 devices. While Sony is marketing the device as the possible center of a home theater system, the average game-device buyer is not necessarily looking to play high-definition movies with it, several analysts have concluded. Yankee Group analyst Michael Goodman told Reuters, "Blu-ray is adding $150 to $200 to the product. They've created something that is not for today's market. It's not a market driver, it's only driving the price higher."

http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-12-11/film/3
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Holy shit! Why would an HD-DVD be on clearance already? That's scary.[/QUOTE]

Target clearances out games and DVDs all the time. They only have limited space for there DVD sections and I sure this was just pushed out to get newer releases on the self.

Target might be a good place for cheap HD-DVDs in the future.

I also watched Enter the Dragon yesterday on HD-DVD and I was very impressed with the picture quality from such an old film. Lots of special features all though none are in HD just 480P. Overall very nice and the sound was very good too especially all the classic punching and kicking sounds!
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Does anyone know if you can use the HD-DVD drive to play 360 games (for use if the DVD Drive in the 360 broke)?[/QUOTE]

No you can't.
 
[quote name='flybrione']Target clearances out games and DVDs all the time. They only have limited space for there DVD sections and I sure this was just pushed out to get newer releases on the self.

Target might be a good place for cheap HD-DVDs in the future.

I also watched Enter the Dragon yesterday on HD-DVD and I was very impressed with the picture quality from such an old film. Lots of special features all though none are in HD just 480P. Overall very nice and the sound was very good too especially all the classic punching and kicking sounds![/QUOTE]

Target is definitely a place to keep an eye on, they quite often have HD-DVDs for 20 bucks that are normally 30-35 bucks at your BBs and CCs. Doesn't surprise me at all that they are clearancing some, Cinderella Man has been out for quite a while now.

...just wish I had known, since I bought that one like 2 weeks ago for 19 bucks online. Oh well.



Ok, now to be the dickhead (although that's honestly not my intent) - while I'm glad to see all these positive articles about HD-DVD, keep in mind that Blu-Ray is barely out of the gate and they have a HUGE amount of (at least for now) exclusive films that HD-DVD won't be getting. There was an editorial on thedigitalbits.com that sums how I'm feeling pretty well - that is, optimistic, but cautiously optimistic. It's certainly not "over" already.

[quote name='Bill Hunt']There's apparently a report that's been issued by the marketing research firm Cymfony, in which "enthusiast sentiment" about both high-def formats has been measured... sort of. "Blu-ray drowning in negative buzz" says the headline at arstechnica. Basically, Cymfony conducted an informal survey of enthusiast websites, blogs and other places where people are talking about the new HD formats, and found 46 percent more "positive discussions" about HD-DVD than about Blu-ray. Reportedly, this is not because of any complaints about technical deficiencies of the Blu-ray format, but rather because home theater enthusiasts and gamers seem to have a more negative attitude towards Sony right now (for having launched many failed formats in the past, for delaying the PS3 and bumping up the cost, and for a general perception of corporate arrogance). I've had a few people e-mail this to me this morning, some of them claiming it as proof that HD-DVD is winning the format war (in the same way that select people regularly e-mail me the list of top selling high-def titles on Amazon as proof of one format or the other winning - I can tell you from personal experience that the Amazon numbers are almost meaningless in terms of judging actual strength of sales). Frankly, I wouldn't read too much into any of this, though I'm sure some folks will anyway.

This report is certainly interesting, but it's not really anything new or surprising. It's also not really a fair comparison. The fact is, HD-DVD beat Blu-ray to the market by several months and the HD-DVD supporting studios have released more titles on that format, so it's only naturally going to have more positive buzz. What's more, not only has the Blu-ray camp been slower with both hardware and software, the delay and higher price of the PS3 has drawn loud complaints from gamers, which has skewed the buzz negative. Frankly, I'll be more interested to see measurements of enthusiast sentiment next year, once Warner's Blu-ray slate has caught up to its HD-DVD slate, once Fox, Disney, MGM, Sony and Lionsgate have begun releasing many more exclusive Blu-ray Disc titles (major catalog releases along the lines of the Bond films, Alien, ID4 and the Disney animated films), once there are several million PS3s sold, once Sony and Pioneer's players have finally arrived in stores and once you start to see hardware prices come down a bit.

As I've said before, BOTH formats can (and usually do) deliver outstanding picture and sound quality. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The slight differences in video quality some perceive between the two have less to do with individual format specs, and more to do with quirks or deficiencies of the early players and the different video compression schemes being used to encode the films. Personally, I've discovered that I tend to have a preference for AVC and VC1, which HD-DVD uses exclusively. Most early Blu-ray Discs have been encoded in MPEG-2 which, while adequate, seems to lend a slightly softer look to the resulting image. But more and more Blu-ray titles are being encoded in AVC and VC1 these days, so that difference is starting to become irrelevant. And the more hardware that becomes available for each format, the better one is able to judge overall format quality vs. hardware issues.

Based on what I'm being told by industry sources, Blu-ray Disc should start to close the gap in early 2007, both in terms of hardware availability and the sheer number of titles released. Sales of Blu-ray software are reportedly already on the rise, likely triggered by the debut of the PS3 (although NEITHER camp is yet willing to release specific hardware or software sales figures yet, which tells you a lot about consumer interest in HD discs overall).

I'll be the first to admit that, prior to either format launching, I felt Blu-ray Disc had the clear edge in studio and hardware support. I'll also be the first to admit that I've been VERY impressed with HD-DVD so far, and in particular with the efforts of Warner and Universal to release tons of great catalog titles on the format. However, the Blu-ray studios are only now just starting to really ramp up their catalog release slates, so we haven't yet seen a level playing field between the two formats. That will change in 2007, when both camps will be finally be bringing their A-games to this competition. Only then will enthusiasts be able to make truly fair comparisons between the two formats in terms of hardware and software... and we'll see what happens. It's certainly going to be interesting.[/quote]
 
I'm a gamer. And a home theater guy as well. I already bought the HD-DVD add-on for my 360 and I love it. Eventually, at some point in time, I'll have a PS3. Exclusives titles doesn't mean anything to me knowing that eventually, I'll have both. I understand some people won't have that luxury in owning both systems, but at some point in time, those prices will come down, on both players. Even if the formats die, (and even more so because of that happening) the prices of the players and the titles will drop.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']


Ok, now to be the dickhead (although that's honestly not my intent) - while I'm glad to see all these positive articles about HD-DVD, keep in mind that Blu-Ray is barely out of the gate and they have a HUGE amount of (at least for now) exclusive films that HD-DVD won't be getting. There was an editorial on thedigitalbits.com that sums how I'm feeling pretty well - that is, optimistic, but cautiously optimistic. It's certainly not "over" already.[/QUOTE]

is there a list of the huge amount of blu-ray exclusives that you could link me to?
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']is there a list of the huge amount of blu-ray exclusives that you could link me to?[/QUOTE]

Blu-Ray has stronger studio support than HD-DVD, and Sony has a direct hand in a couple of those studios - meaning it's going to take a LOT to get them to switch sides. While New Line and especially Universal supporting HD-DVD exclusively is quite a boost to HD-DVD, it's hard to not feel they are at least matched, if not surpassed by studios like the ones listed (Fox, Disney, MGM, Sony, Lionsgate) exclusively backing Blu-Ray.

And this has already been discussed, but it's obvious to anyone who walks into a Best Buy or Circuit City who has the marketing dollars at work.

So while Blu-Ray doesn't have the glut of exclusives coming out, say, RIGHT NOW, one look at the upcoming release lists:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

...shows that there are signs here and there of it already starting. A "quick and easy" (and hardly scientific or long-term) explanation, sure...but that list is looking a tad short on the HD-DVD side, no?


What I'm really hoping for right now is HD-DVD building a strong enough lead/base to at least some of those exclusive Blu-Ray studios to jump onboard the HD-DVD train...again, Sony will probably never do it unless Blu-Ray is utterly beaten into oblivion. We could be so lucky...
 
I wonder how strong Sony's exclusive studio deals are though. I mean at one point WB had an exclusive deal with HD-DVD but now they've got Blu-Ray movies coming out too.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I wonder how strong Sony's exclusive studio deals are though. I mean at one point WB had an exclusive deal with HD-DVD but now they've got Blu-Ray movies coming out too.[/QUOTE]

WB has been supporting both HD and BR since day 1. HD just sells 5 times better, so they tend to release more movies at a faster rate for the HD. Still boggles me how some studios refuses to switch over to HD or go neutral. Thats like Square making games only for Cube and not PS3. Make movies for the format which sells, not one which continues to delay players and the PS3.
 
[quote name='gizmogc'] Make movies for the format which sells, not one which continues to delay players and the PS3.[/QUOTE]


I think that is going to happen down the line. I wonder how many of the exclusive deals were built on a foundation of "Look at how many PS2's we sold. We plan on selling even more PS3's that will also double as blu-ray players. So we're obviously going to be the format of choice."

I've got a feeling that a year from now, unless the PS3 sells huge numbers, that only Sony owned studios will be exclusive.

The sad part is Sony won't back off. One guy could be buying blu-ray discs and they'd still call it a success and continue to support the format.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']WB has been supporting both HD and BR since day 1. HD just sells 5 times better, so they tend to release more movies at a faster rate for the HD. Still boggles me how some studios refuses to switch over to HD or go neutral. Thats like Square making games only for Cube and not PS3. Make movies for the format which sells, not one which continues to delay players and the PS3.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I could have sworn they were HD-DVD exclusive to begin with. So is Universal the only one that's exclusive to HD-DVD then?
 
Warner WAS originally HD-DVD exclusive in the preliminary stages. In late '04 though they jumped on the fence and decided to release for both. Universal is probably the biggest name that is HD-DVD exclusive*, but there are smaller studios here and there that are as well. I believe the Weinstein Company is as well, at least for now, hence the Clerks II HD-DVD.


Shifting gears, I've seen two sites now say that the upcoming Hulk release has the best HD-DVD picture quality yet. Those looking for another "show-off" disc, this probably fits the bill. I may pick it up despite not being too thrilled with the film when I saw it in the theater. I'd pick up Fearless, which I saw in the theater and liked, but it's a combo disc and at this point I'm kind of trying to avoid those.


NIN fans - "Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You in Time" comes out on 2/27.



*I originally wrote Warner there because I had it on the brain from the previous posts. I meant to write Universal.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Oh, I could have sworn they were HD-DVD exclusive to begin with. So is Universal the only one that's exclusive to HD-DVD then?[/quote]

I thought so too and then I saw the release list on the main page and found out that Boo-Ray is getting The Matrix and Harry Potter and most likely The Lord Of the Rings. I really hope that other exclusive to Boo-Ray studios do the same thing that Warner and New Line did and hook us up with some more HD-DVD titles.
 
Okay, just to clear up someting right quick, Warner Bros. and New Line are both Time Warner owned studios, so most of their titles will likely get released for both formats at some point (til the "war" is over at least).
 
[quote name='ryosnk']For those who have the hd-drvie is it worth it since you got it and does it look that good?[/QUOTE]

I love it. Everyone I know that has it loves it. The only real negative thing about it right now is the dolby digital + sound can sound a bit flat sometimes. This is really only an issue if you are severe audiophile with an above average home theater sound system.

Even then, MS is working on that issue. The picture and everything else is fantastic.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I love it. Everyone I know that has it loves it. The only real negative thing about it right now is the dolby digital + sound can sound a bit flat sometimes. This is really only an issue if you are severe audiophile with an above average home theater sound system.

Even then, MS is working on that issue. The picture and everything else is fantastic.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info.

Can anyone post a pic of a regular dvd compared to a hd-dvd being played on a hdtv?
 
[quote name='ryosnk']Thanks for the info.

Can anyone post a pic of a regular dvd compared to a hd-dvd being played on a hdtv?[/QUOTE]

Pics do not do it any justice...I know on DVDTALK.com there was some pics, but a digital camera will not do it justice. I'll try to find some comparisons.

What is your setup right now? TV, sound system?

Ok, here are some comparisons:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=483204&highlight=screenshot

and this is more debatable on how it was done:
http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html
 
[quote name='doubledown']Pics do not do it any justice...I know on DVDTALK.com there was some pics, but a digital camera will not do it justice. I'll try to find some comparisons.

What is your setup right now? TV, sound system?

Ok, here are some comparisons:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=483204&highlight=screenshot

and this is more debatable on how it was done:
http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html[/quote]Damn, now everything looks blurry to me. That's pretty amazing stuff. I'm a step closer to jumping into the HD-DVD side now.

Question though: For those that have their 360s hooked up to an LCD monitor, how's it look on there? I've moved my main 360 to my room so I can still play when people are over. The display is a 24" BenQ with a native resolution of 1920x1200. Unfortunately, that resolution isn't one supported by the VGA cable so I'm running it at 720p. I've noticed DVDs are a bit splotchy and on lighter skin tones there's graininess that isn't evident on regular HDTVs.

Is the difference in HD-DVDs running at the non-native resolution of my LCD going to fix those problems?

I wish MS would release and HDMI cable soon. My monitor actually supports 1080p through its HDMI so I'm guessing those problems of resolution settings wouldn't be an issue.
 
[quote name='ryosnk']I got a hitachi hdtv 50" and I dont have a surround system.[/QUOTE]

I would suggest you invest in a surround system before a HD-DVD drive. Games & DVD's are MUCH better with a decent surround system
 
[quote name='ryosnk']For those who have the hd-drvie is it worth it since you got it and does it look that good?[/QUOTE]
There are opinions throughout this thread, but since you have an Savage Dragon character as an avatar I'll respond anyway.

Yeah, it's nice. Most people place it above the standalone first-gen players from months back, despite the fact that the 360 player is hundreds of dollars less. You said you have a 50" TV, you will definitely notice a difference between HD-DVD and your regular discs.

If you think you're going to get one though, I'd advise you get it soon (as in, before the coupon expires in the OP). 160 bucks for the player, a pack in movie, and a remote is an outstanding deal. Not sure how much longer the movie will be a pack-in, either.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']There are opinions throughout this thread, but since you have an Savage Dragon character as an avatar I'll respond anyway.

Yeah, it's nice. Most people place it above the standalone first-gen players from months back, despite the fact that the 360 player is hundreds of dollars less. You said you have a 50" TV, you will definitely notice a difference between HD-DVD and your regular discs.

If you think you're going to get one though, I'd advise you get it soon (as in, before the coupon expires in the OP). 160 bucks for the player, a pack in movie, and a remote is an outstanding deal. Not sure how much longer the movie will be a pack-in, either.[/QUOTE]


I ask all this because my friend got it for me for the holidays but said if I dont want It I can return it back to eb and get store credit. I dont know if I will get many hd-dvd (price) and that he got it for full price and not use that coupon I emailed him and no surround sound system. But a great gift from a good friend so I might keep it for all the trouble he went to.
 
www.hdnowonline.com has started a petition to get other movie studios to jump on the HD-DVD bandwagon. You can sign the petition below. Close to 3000 signatures already.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/HD_DVD_Studio_Support/

I don't usually do this sort of thing but I'd figure what the hell.

Be sure to read the long article, they got some interesting stuff if true. For instace:

It is said that Disney and Lions Gate are now wavering in their support for Bluray, having been let down badly by the launch of the format and the terrible word of mouth - not to mention the poor sales.


EDIT: Found a link to some LOTR HD-DVD Pics here: http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=608&page=6
 
Yeah, I remember around CEDIA that people kept these rumors going that Disney and probably Lionsgate were thinking of bringing stuff out on HD-DVD. CES seems like a good place for those announcements to happen if true, and it's only a month away. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Getting Disney releases would be a pretty big score for HD-DVD.

Ryosnk - if you are into DVDs, keep that drive. If you don't care about movies, get rid of it.

I will say I didn't plan on buying many HD-DVDs when I first got it, but I've already bought 6 since I got the thing about a month ago. Very pleased with it so far. Considering the TV you have I'd definitely hold onto it. Since it's a gift you can use your own money for a decent speaker setup.
 
Yeah, I remember around the time of CEDIA people kept these rumors going that Disney and probably Lionsgate were thinking of bringing stuff out on HD-DVD. CES seems like a good place for those announcements to happen if true, and it's only a month away. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Getting Disney releases would be a pretty big score for HD-DVD.

Ryosnk - if you are into DVDs, keep that drive. If you don't care about movies, get rid of it.

I will say I didn't plan on buying many HD-DVDs when I first got it, but I've already bought 6 since I got the thing about a month ago. Very pleased with it so far. Considering the TV you have I'd definitely hold onto it. Since it's a gift you can use your own money for a decent speaker setup.
 
So has anyone tried watching DVDs on an LCD monitor when it's output is not the native resolution? Wondering if it blurs badly or the picture is still extremely sharp. MS needs to support more resolutions with their VGA cable.
 
Sales update

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14737

For November, an estimated 42,000 drives sold (1.42% of 360 user base).

Yeah, not too good. I'd like to see more recent numbers though since the drive wasn't out for the entire month.

This is why I kept saying don't get too excited about the war "already being over" - the PS3/Blu-Ray base is already killing the 360's HD-DVD customer base. All is not lost though; every single one of those HD-DVD drives means someone wants HD-DVD movies. Just because someone buys a PS3 doesn't mean they want Blu-Ray.
 
Sales update

*Edit* - I'm going to revise this since I'm not sure when the start/stop dates are for the sales tracking are.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14737

For November, an estimated 42,000 drives sold (1.42% of 360 user base).

That doesn't sound too good, but it kind of depends. Some people claim that NPD only tracks until the 25th. If that is the case, then they actually sold quite a few as the player wasn't available until the 7th and most stores didn't have it until days after. Even if the cutoff is the 31st, it doesn't make it sound terrible.

Still, this is why I kept saying don't get too excited about the war "already being over" - the PS3/Blu-Ray base is already killing the 360's HD-DVD customer base. That said, keep this important factor in mind - every single one of those HD-DVD drives means someone wants HD-DVD movies. Just because someone buys a PS3 doesn't mean they want Blu-Ray.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Sales update

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14737

For November, an estimated 42,000 drives sold (1.42% of 360 user base).

Yeah, not too good. I'd like to see more recent numbers though since the drive wasn't out for the entire month.

This is why I kept saying don't get too excited about the war "already being over" - the PS3/Blu-Ray base is already killing the 360's HD-DVD customer base. All is not lost though; every single one of those HD-DVD drives means someone wants HD-DVD movies. Just because someone buys a PS3 doesn't mean they want Blu-Ray.[/QUOTE]

Well, you also have to think that the 360 HD-DVD has been pretty hard to find lately.

Most of the online stores are either sold out or taking backorders.
 
for the first week or so i saw them around regulary, the past 2 or so I have very rarely seen them in stores....best buy in my area had several in stock when I was there on tuesday.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Well, you also have to think that the 360 HD-DVD has been pretty hard to find lately.

Most of the online stores are either sold out or taking backorders.[/QUOTE]

Indeed - see the revisions I made after seeing more info. They seem to be sold out a lot of places now, and Amazon and EB's sites are both out of stock.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']That said, keep this important factor in mind - every single one of those HD-DVD drives means someone wants HD-DVD movies. Just because someone buys a PS3 doesn't mean they want Blu-Ray.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I said the very same thing on another forum. Every HD-DVD add-on player means another person actually watching and probably buying HD-DVDs. The same cannot be said of the PS3 and Blu-Ray.

And I think the 42,000 sold in November is actually good. I don't recall seeing any kind of advertising for this and it's an add-on device. December will really say something about it though. I had a hard time find the HD-DVD add-on yesterday. Took my coupon Circuit City but was out of luck. Thankfully, another store gave me $40 off after I mentioned the coupon. They asked if I still had it, I gave it to them, and they actually honored it. Amazing!
 
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