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Just picked up the second to last copy of Hot Fuzz at CC. Got them to PM the BB ad, cant wait to pop it in later tonight.

As for 300, watched it this morning with my brother and it was simply amazing in HD. This was a very good week for HD.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']
too bad its univeral and a combo... meaning it wont come cheap[/QUOTE]

not as cheap as Walmart, but I picked my copy of Hot Fuzz at Target for $29.99

rabidmonkey, I don't think stores (minus mom&pop) order their products anymore. when I worked at TRU, we were on an instant replenishment system. what that meant was that if we were out of something, if our inventory numbers were right, we were automatically sent X amount of said item.

we also were sent all of our products (I worked in the R-Zone) with amounts thats were never known to us. I know the guy who worked our DVD section at the time, just got random boxes filled with all kinds of different DVD titles.

pretty much nothing is really ordered, it's all in the hands of the wherehouse of whoever distributes for retail store X

hell, my local Target got maybe 20+ BD copies of 300 but only around 6-8 copies on HD-DVD. also even though Hot Fuzz is only on HD-DVD/SD, they only received 3 copies of the HD release.
 
i wish i could talk with the marketing and manufacturing geniouses at camp hd dvd....

29.99 is more then i would pay for a movie unless its a high catalog release...

i never by instore.... with pirates and lebowski being the only exceptions.

we really need to find a way to get deals on these universal movies...atleast warner gives us 20%..the universal store prices are ridiculous
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']I can't wait. It looks SO GOOD and I'm watching it in 1080p upscaled from 720p because I didn't get an elite yet.
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I really hope if you have a 1080p TV, and you don't have a VGA in on it, that you are at least sending it a 1080i signal and not 720p.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']my tmnt has shipped! yes![/quote]

Damn you! Mine for sure won't ship till atleast Monday, and I know I won't be getting Disturbia from Buy.com for atleast a week or two after as well.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Damn you! Mine for sure won't ship till atleast Monday, and I know I won't be getting Disturbia from Buy.com for atleast a week or two after as well.[/quote]

fuck i just remembered i will be out of town on monday so i wont even get to see it until tuesday ..lol
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']300 looks incredible on HD-DVD.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Too bad the movie was lame.

I'm amazed it got such rave reviews. It's so cliche it's sicken and the slow-mo battle scenes got old less than 5 minutes in.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Agreed.

Too bad the movie was lame.

I'm amazed it got such rave reviews. It's so cliche it's sicken and the slow-mo battle scenes got old less than 5 minutes in.[/QUOTE]

The first slow mo battle scene was about 20 minutes in. And I think the point, kinda, was to be cliche.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I really hope if you have a 1080p TV, and you don't have a VGA in on it, that you are at least sending it a 1080i signal and not 720p.[/QUOTE]

Never. On a 1080p TV you would notice the difference right away. The 1080i stuff tears vertically in high motion and just over does not look as crisp. And I would never, ever use VGA for a 1080p signal, especially when watching movies.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']Never. On a 1080p TV you would notice the difference right away. The 1080i stuff tears vertically in high motion and just over does not look as crisp.[/quote]
Maybe. But I've never noticed.

And I would never, ever use VGA for a 1080p signal, especially when watching movies.
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Why? Is this some specific problem to your own TV? My picture looks much better since switching to VGA from Component on my DLP projector. Many people feel VGA looks better than HDMI, if a TV supports it. I'm curious as to what is with your tv that you it would look so bad.
 
I have a smaller 1080p monitor that also accepts VGA and component. The VGA is washed out, I assumed the same would happen on my 46". I would never use that for a primary source, not when HDMI looks so good and component with digital audio looks the same to me. But to be honest, it never occurred to me to try until you brought it up again because of my poor experience on a smaller screen. I can definitely test it and see, thanks for the suggestion.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']Never. On a 1080p TV you would notice the difference right away. The 1080i stuff tears vertically in high motion and just over does not look as crisp. And I would never, ever use VGA for a 1080p signal, especially when watching movies.[/QUOTE]

1080i stuff will only tear if your HDTV is especially poor at 1080i deinterlacing. When transmitted at 1080i, HD DVD movies are encoded in 3:2 cadence and all of the same information from a 1080p signal is in that 1080i signal - just organized differently. So, the only time it will look worse is if your TV is poor at "reorganizing" the 1080i signal - however if it is good at this process (known as Inverse Telecine) you will not be able to tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p.

Note this is different with gaming and broadcast TV because they are not encoded with 3:2 cadence and sometimes they are encoded incorrectly unlike HD DVD.

Because of this, with most modern sets you will get the best results by using 720p for gaming and either 1080i or 1080p for HD DVD movies.
 
XBOX360 HD DVD Player Sales Rise above 1,000%



Obviously due to the price drop and the 5 free HD DVD's...nice sales hike, hope it lasts a while.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']I have a smaller 1080p monitor that also accepts VGA and component. The VGA is washed out, I assumed the same would happen on my 46". I would never use that for a primary source, not when HDMI looks so good and component with digital audio looks the same to me. But to be honest, it never occurred to me to try until you brought it up again because of my poor experience on a smaller screen. I can definitely test it and see, thanks for the suggestion.[/QUOTE]

Your welcome.

One more thing, that 'washed out' problem with the VGA cable was fixed with the spring dashboard update. There are also now settings in the system blade under display for helping to tweak it further. Apparently it was found that some TV's accept VGA signals wrong which is why they look washed out. So there are three settings for helping with this now in the system blade.
 
does this mean i'm done abusing google check out, or was it just another error? anyone get this before?



Buy.com has cancelled your order. Your credit card was not charged.

* Reason: Other (describe below)

* Comments from Buy.com: "Canceled by Google 02"
 
My wife called a little while ago to say that her store (Best Buy) received their shipment of Hot Fuzz HD-DVD/DVD discs tonight. She said about 15 showed up.

Hope returns of TMNT arriving at her store next week. Hooray
 
i have been debating if i should buy the player or not with the release of 300 and hot fuzz of course just like everyone else im sure. but im just not sure about hd and all. is it better then blu ray is it worth the money. i just dont want to wait a month and find out that i made a crappy purchase and regret wasting that much money on it.
 
Ideally you'd want both (Blu-Ray and HD DVD), but the add-on is a pretty fucking nice thing to have right now with the price drop and free movies. Don't let the Sony press releases sway you, HD DVD isn't going anywhere for quite a while. More likely we'll just see dual format players become affordable and the format war will become fairly irrelevant, at least to consumers.

It's not "better than Blu-Ray" really as far as video or audio quality, the two formats are (usually) the same (*EDIT* - that was kind of dumb to say, as thus far HD DVD has offered higher quality audio on several dual format titles. However, Blu-Ray is also beginning to catch up in that respect as well). The majority of dual format releases now use the exact same encode, so they will look the same. HD DVD is capable of a few more features than Blu-Ray right now (most notably internet connectivity for special features, which is kind of cool), but Blu-Ray should be catching up on that by the end of the year.

For me it was about saving money. I'll be glad to buy a Blu-Ray player later on, I'm sure they are not going anywhere. It's just not worth 500 bucks to me to be able to watch the same movies with a nicer picture. When I got the HD DVD add on, I got it for 160 bucks and it came with a movie and remote. It was a no-brainer there and a minimal "risk" as an investment. Getting it for 180 bucks with 5 movies (or 6 if they still include King Kong) and a remote is a really nice deal. I'd go for it, since I'm assuming you have an HDTV. The HD DVD title lineup is already pretty nice and it will only get better as we head into the holidays.
 
the thing is i hardly buy anything. i even have a hard time buying food/drinks, let alone electronics. i went into 5 stores looking at dvd/cds and games in the intent to buy something but came out with nothing cause i just have a hard time buying anything.

the hd movies are quite expensive in my eyes. 30-35 bux for one movie? shesh.
 
[quote name='thisjustanother']the thing is i hardly buy anything. i even have a hard time buying food/drinks, let alone electronics. i went into 5 stores looking at dvd/cds and games in the intent to buy something but came out with nothing cause i just have a hard time buying anything.

the hd movies are quite expensive in my eyes. 30-35 bux for one movie? shesh.[/QUOTE]

Don't buy movies B&M

Amazon has all of the HD-DVDs besides combos (which are 27.95) for 19.95

If you hardly buy anything, get a Blockbuster Online or Netflix account. They both have HD-DVD available and a pretty decent selection.
 
i would do the blockbuster/netflix thing but i just hate the idea of monthly pay stuff. i have a hard time paying my mmo account let alone doing a movie thing like that.
 
[quote name='magiic']Sounds like you are not in a financial position to be getting the HD player and movies for it.[/QUOTE]

Really.

We gave you the options and you aren't down with any of them.

Why did you even ask in the first place if you are pigheadedly against getting one?
 
I think he just wants to be titled a true "CAG". Unfortunately, you have to take advantage of, or post deals to even qualify. Trolling or perusing without actually living like a CAG is just sick.... sick like stalker fetish serial killer sick@!!@!!@@!

Get one you cheap bastard, you don't need permission, live a little.
 
[quote name='drone8888']I think he just wants to be titled a true "CAG". Unfortunately, you have to take advantage of, or post deals to even qualify. Trolling or perusing without actually living like a CAG is just sick.... sick like stalker fetish serial killer sick@!!@!!@@!

Get one you cheap bastard, you don't need permission, live a little.[/QUOTE]

You don't get much more cheap ass than buying the add-on that comes with 6 movies and then paying 16 a month to get 3 HD-DVDs out at a time.
 
If you are that tight with your money, to the point that renting is even painful, then the HD movie market is not for you.

The 5 free movies are worth over $200 so $150 (at BB) for the HD DVD add-on is a no-brainer for any movie buff.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']Never. On a 1080p TV you would notice the difference right away. The 1080i stuff tears vertically in high motion and just over does not look as crisp.[/quote]
Then your TV sucks. 1080i off of HD DVD or Blu-Ray contains EVERY SINGLE BIT of information that a 1080p signal does. Any halfway-decent deinterlacer will generate a perfect 1080p image. Unfortunately, many lower-end TVs have piss-poor deinterlacers, and completely narf up the image.

Or were you talking about 1080i broadcast, which DOES tear in motion, because the SOURCE is interlaced. With a progressive source material, proper re-assembly of the progressive signal is completely indistinguishable from receiving a progressive signal in the first place.

In fact, your 360 is doing EXACTLY what your TV is SUPPOSED to be doing. When you set it for 720p, it's taking the 1080p/24, doing an inverse tecline to 1080i/60, deinterlacing to 1080p/30, then scaling down to 720p/30. If you set your 360 to 1080i output, the results are the same, except there's no scaling (and consequential loss of HALF of the information on the disc), and the TV is doing the deinterlace from 1080i/60-->1080p/30

[quote name='rabidmonkeys']And I would never, ever use VGA for a 1080p signal, especially when watching movies.[/quote]
A properly calibrated VGA input looks FANTASTIC. In fact, on my Westinghouse 37" it looks better than my component input (both at 1080p). For HD DVD, there's no contest, since my set (like yours apparently) has a piece of shit deinterlacer, so VGA looks 100x better.
 
[quote name='geko29']Then your TV sucks. 1080i off of HD DVD or Blu-Ray contains EVERY SINGLE BIT of information that a 1080p signal does. [/QUOTE]

[quote name='geko29']
In fact, your 360 is doing EXACTLY what your TV is SUPPOSED to be doing. When you set it for 720p, it's taking the 1080p/24, doing an inverse tecline to 1080i/60, deinterlacing to 1080p/30, then scaling down to 720p/30. If you set your 360 to 1080i output, the results are the same, except there's no scaling (and consequential loss of HALF of the information on the disc), and the TV is doing the deinterlace from 1080i/60-->1080p/30[/QUOTE]

WTF are you talking about? Did I say that my xbox was working weirdly? Or not as intended? My television upscales all non 1080p sources to 1080p. Hence, my original comment of wanting an elite, to get 1080p source straight through to HDMI and into a 1080p native tv.

If you think that there is no difference between 1080i and 1080p you need more first hand experience. I've had two 1080p TVs sitting next to each other with multiple copies of the same dvds and hd dvds on both and I can assure you that 1080p blows 1080i out of the water.

PS I'd watch your tone on this board, especially being a noob. We are all friends here or at least try to be. And I would never attack another man's setup.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']WTF are you talking about? Did I say that my xbox was working weirdly? Or not as intended? My television upscales all non 1080p sources to 1080p. Hence, my original comment of wanting an elite, to get 1080p source straight through to HDMI and into a 1080p native tv.

If you think that there is no difference between 1080i and 1080p you need more first hand experience. I've had two 1080p TVs sitting next to each other with multiple copies of the same dvds and hd dvds on both and I can assure you that 1080p blows 1080i out of the water.

PS I'd watch your tone on this board, especially being a noob. We are all friends here or at least try to be. And I would never attack another man's setup.[/QUOTE]

I don't think he was trying to attack your setup, but it is true that if an HD DVD signal transmitted at 1080i looks worse than the same signal transmitted at 1080p on your 1080p HDTV, that simply means the inverse telecine processor on your HDTV is of low quality.

Lots of high end setups use HD DVD/Blu-Ray output at 1080i even from 1080p players because the high end scalers like Lumagen all give the best picture quality from 1080i input (1080i60 converted to 1080p24 through inverse telecine).

He is right that every single pixel of a 1080p signal is stored with no loss in quality in a 1080i signal, provided that the 1080i signal is encoded properly as it is on HD DVD (often Cable and Videogame sources do not have proper cadence). Therefore, if the 1080i output does look worse on your HDTV, that is simply a function of a low quality processor on your HDTV.

Now, realize that this does not mean that a 1080i HDTV looks identical to a 1080p TV. 1080p as a TV display technology does look better than 1080i when speaking in terms of the TV display itself. It would be optimal for the TV to display in a multiple of 1080p24 (unfortunately most 1080p TVs display at 1080p60 which results in jerky pans).

However, that being said, in terms of signal transmission, if your HDTV's processor is of high quality it will make zero difference if the signal is transmitted at 1080i or 1080p, because in the end they will both look the same as they essentially have the exact same picture info simply ordered differently and the 1080i signal would have been converted to 1080p without loss.

Therefore, if you say "1080i output from HD DVD looks worse than 1080p output from HD DVD" you are essentially saying "my 1080p TV has a low quality video processor." On the other hand, if you say "1080p HDTVs look better than 1080i HDTVs" you'd be on target as this is a different beast altogether :)
 
I didn't see it mentioned anywhere but over at xploitedcinema it looks like they just added American Haunting and The Island to the list of now availble HD-DVDs. Anyone hear if the transfer for Island is any good? I loved that movie and bet it would look fantastic in HD.

thanks,
bill123
 
While it semi related to a discussion we were having earlier, I may be jumping ship to Camp blu-ray sooner than expected. I guess there was a rumor floating around that Disney is going to be offering two different Platinum releases each year now. One on regular DVD, one on blu-ray. I know Pinocchio is due out in 2008, but a document floating around lists Sleeping Beauty as the Blu-ray Platinum release. Since Sleeping Beauty is my wife's favorite animated film of all time, I'm afraid I may break my stance.

I didn't realize all the excellent reviews Hot Fuzz was receiving. I'm a tad disappointed that Shaun didn't receive the bonus content from the UK DVD release though. Does anyone think it'll be worth waiting for the UK HD DVD release? If one is even coming.
 
yea unfortunately i have no choice but to get the spidey trilogy and pirates on br....those are must haves...

i dont know what if anything hd has lined up to counter spidey...
 
[quote name='guyver2077']yea unfortunately i have no choice but to get the spidey trilogy and pirates on br....those are must haves...

i dont know what if anything hd has lined up to counter spidey...[/QUOTE]

I think The Bourne Ultimatum is set for release sometime around there.

Same with Evan Almighty and Chuck & Larry

- fake edit Yeah.

11/6 - Evan Almighty

11/20 - I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry

12/11 - The Bourne Ultimatum
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I think The Bourne Ultimatum is set for release sometime around there.

Same with Evan Almighty and Chuck & Larry

- fake edit Yeah.

11/6 - Evan Almighty

11/20 - I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry

12/11 - The Bourne Ultimatum[/quote]

cmon...are you kidding... those wont make a dent
 
[quote name='guyver2077']cmon...are you kidding... those wont make a dent[/QUOTE]

I'd actually prefer those movies (minus chuck and larry) to own over Pirates and Spiderman. But too each his own....
 
while they are probably good movies... they wont sell anywhere near pirates or spidey..plus br also has matrix this holiday...


i predict a sad sales holiday season for hd
 
Did they even advertise that Matrix was now out on HD? I think I've seen more Bridge to Terabithia on BR commercials than HD-only movie commercials.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']while they are probably good movies... they wont sell anywhere near pirates or spidey..plus br also has matrix this holiday...


i predict a sad sales holiday season for hd[/quote]

I'm wondering how good they will sell...no one seemed to like Spidey 3 or Pirates 3.
 
Is anyone having any sound problems with 300? When I play it, the action scenes are fine but then the talking scenes are extremely low volume....Is this normal?

EDIT: I saw that you posted this Spordic over at Hidefdigest forums:

Futurama coming to HD DVD?
[quote name='Sporadic']Just read this

It's been known for some time that Futurama was coming back, almost certainly in the form of four feature length films. Finally at Comic-Con we got the entire scoop. There will indeed be four movies, shot in wide screen, released straight to DVD & Hi-Def DVD. The first film, 'Bender's Big Score' will be released on November 27th.
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http://www.tvblogger.org/2007/07/comic-con-futurama-is-clear.html

Hopefully that isn't a mistake. Doesn't Fox still have the rights or did a different company pick them up?[/quote]
Just wondering why you didnt give us the heads up here ;)
 
[quote name='terribledeli'] I guess there was a rumor floating around that Disney is going to be offering two different Platinum releases each year now. One on regular DVD, one on blu-ray[/QUOTE]

Aren't all of the previous Platinum releases in the vault? I thought Disney had some weird thing where once they went in they never came out.

The only "classics" they have yet to re-release are the Jungle Book (out in Oct.) and Pinocchio.
 
Last I checked Fox still holds the DVD rights to the new Futurama releases. So unless something totally unforseen happens they won't be on HD DVD. My guess is the reporter wasn't explaining things too well and (at least in his mind) "Hi-Def DVD" could technically be Blu-ray as well.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Last I checked Fox still holds the DVD rights to the new Futurama releases. So unless something totally unforseen happens they won't be on HD DVD. My guess is the reporter wasn't explaining things too well and (at least in his mind) "Hi-Def DVD" could technically be Blu-ray as well.[/quote]

Well...the new episodes/movie is going to be on Comedy Central, which may mean that they bought the new stuff. Comedy Central is owned by HBO last time I checked. So it could be coming out for both.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']Aren't all of the previous Platinum releases in the vault? I thought Disney had some weird thing where once they went in they never came out.

The only "classics" they have yet to re-release are the Jungle Book (out in Oct.) and Pinocchio.[/QUOTE]

Nah that's what they actually want everyone to think (Hence the it's your last chance to own..." commercials). There's somekind of time release on the vault films (possibly 10 years, I'm not exactly sure). I think the Platinum releases on some kind of planned schedule thing through 2010 also.
 
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