HDMI for both PS3 models!

[quote name='botticus']I hope no one's forgetting that 80% of the PS3s produced were going to be the 60GB model. Meaning there will be approximately 80,000 of this now-cheaper 20GB model available at launch.

Hopefully if this does hit stateside, it'll push everyone else's price down in one way or another.[/QUOTE]

Assuming the drop is universal which we haven't heard it is yet.
 
Almost 6 months of Sony shitting on the fanbase: "I HATE SONY! Wii60 FTW!"

Sony does one minor thing for another country and throws an HDMI port in: "OH SNAP! LOOK OUT MS AND NINTENDO!"



Sounds like the gaming community to me.
 
Almost 6 months of Sony shitting on the fanbase: "I HATE SONY! Wii60 FTW!"

Sony does one minor thing for another country and throws an HDMI port in: "OH SNAP! LOOK OUT MS AND NINTENDO!"



Sounds like the gaming community to me. It's all about "what have you done for me lately?"
 
[quote name='limelicker']No bias shown in the original subject line here. **rolls eyes**[/QUOTE]


haven't noticed the pattern yet? Everything Sony does is spun into the most horrible thing ever and is a sure sign the company is about to go bankrupt.
 
If this is only for Japan, does anyone else feel Sony is only doing this because they are afraid of the Wii outselling the PS3 by a huge amount I.E. DS to PSP?
 
[quote name='seanr1221']If this is only for Japan, does anyone else feel Sony is only doing this because they are afraid of the Wii outselling the PS3 by a huge amount I.E. DS to PSP?[/QUOTE]


Sure, why else would they drop the price? Thats not a bad thing.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']If this is only for Japan, does anyone else feel Sony is only doing this because they are afraid of the Wii outselling the PS3 by a huge amount I.E. DS to PSP?[/quote]

Looks like it is only for Japan. Summary of chat with Ken via Kotaku:

Kutaragi also pretty much confirmed that we won't be seeing a comparative price drop in other territories. According to Ken, the Japanese pricing changes were merely an adjustment to keep the price inline with the market. He argued that the misconception that 1 dollar equals 1 euro equals 100 yen is not a fair comparison.
 
[quote name='Apossum']haven't noticed the pattern yet? Everything Sony does is spun into the most horrible thing ever and is a sure sign the company is about to go bankrupt.[/QUOTE]

They deserve all the bad press they get. The Playstation 3 sucks. I... I don't have it yet, but I bought a 360 and there's no way anything's better now.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']They deserve all the bad press they get. The Playstation 3 sucks. I... I don't have it yet, but I bought a 360 and there's no way anything's better now.[/QUOTE]

Graphically it won't be better. But it has bluray included! How can you not want that?!
 
[quote name='Chacrana']They deserve all the bad press they get. The Playstation 3 sucks. I... I don't have it yet, but I bought a 360 and there's no way anything's better now.[/QUOTE]


you may be on to something there....the press really contrasts with all the awesome, unending, hyperbolic praise Microsoft got leading up to their launch.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Almost 6 months of Sony shitting on the fanbase: "I HATE SONY! Wii60 FTW!"

Sony does one minor thing for another country and throws an HDMI port in: "OH SNAP! LOOK OUT MS AND NINTENDO!"



Sounds like the gaming community to me. It's all about "what have you done for me lately?"[/QUOTE]

QFT. At this point, Nintendo could slap a sticker of a naked woman on the Wii and people would be saying, "AWWW YEAH!!!! NINTENTO FTW!!!! ROXORZ!
 
Ok so apparently the price cut is not coming to america. Maybe this is the poor college student that I am but HDMI was never a huge purchasing factor for the ps3 in the first place, for me at least. Games was always my only true factor. PS3 so far has nothing enticing for the launch lineup, hopefully in 2 years or so they will be churning out some good games (MGS4,FFXIII).
 
[quote name='dastly75']Ok so apparently the price cut is not coming to america. Maybe this is the poor college student that I am but HDMI was never a huge purchasing factor for the ps3 in the first place, for me at least. Games was always my only true factor. PS3 so far has nothing enticing for the launch lineup, hopefully in 2 years or so they will be churning out some good games (MGS4,FFXIII).[/quote]

Well the 20GB version will have HDMI now - that is universal. Sony appears to be listening to the complaints and actually doing something about it.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']Well the 20GB version will have HDMI now - that is universal. Sony appears to be listening to the complaints and actually doing something about it.[/QUOTE]

I consider myself to know slightly more than the average consumer when it comes to electronics. The only time I hear of HDMI is when people talk about the ps3, I really don't think many people in the mainstream care about it or know what it is. The things the average person DOES know is price and games, appropriate since those are the only 2 things that truly matter. So I seriously doubt there were a large number of complaints regarding the lack of HDMI.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Graphically it won't be better. But it has bluray included! How can you not want that?![/QUOTE]

1. DVD works just fine for me.

2. I don't notice a huge graphical improvement between DVD and the new HD standards. It's there, it just doesn't look like an enormous improvement to me.

3. I just started buying DVD's in 2000. I'm not ready to start buying all my movies all over again.

4. DVD's offered a huge amount of improvements over VHS tapes, which was why I willingly switched:
-No rewinding movies
-Chapter select, jump to a scene
-Extra features, making of, commentary
-Multiple language soundtracks
-Occasionally computer content
-No moving parts on the media
-Non-magnetic storage
-Digital content which (potentially) makes for easier storage.
-Better picture quality.

Blu-Ray, on the other hand, offers:
-Better picture quality (we'll come back to this)
-Higher storage capability
-A host of "features" which benefit the manufacturers but not me. (we'll come back to this also)

5. I just bought a HDTV last year, and it's already obsolete if I want to use Blu-Ray. My TV uses DVI, and HDMI is required for the new standard. If I manage to plug in my PS3 or Blu-Ray player into the TV with S-Video or RCA cables, then I've kind of lost the benefit of having a Blu-Ray player. I'm not interested in buying:
-a new TV or a set-top box
-an expensive Blu-Ray player
-expensive HDMI cables
.....just to get the latest and greatest "benefits" of HD.

6. The higher storage capabilities of the Blu-Ray discs will be used for 2 things.... storing the higher information density because of the Hi-Def standards, and storing extra commercials and trailers. It won't be used, for example, to sell me the entire Neon Genesis series on 1-2 discs. Why would they do this when they can parcel ou the purchase over 12-15 discs, thus improving the perceived value of what I'm receiving? Also, want to take odds on what percentage of movies will allow you to skip past the trailers and commercials? So, why do I need this higher storage capacity?

7. Image Constraint Token. Look this up, if you're not familiar with what it is. Many movie studios apparently have a secret agreement not to implement this "feature" until 2012, when most homes will have Blu-Ray players. Every player will have the feature built-in, though, from day one. Your shiny new PS3 included.

8. Cryptographic Token Revocation. The Blu-Ray standard involves a "feature" whereby, if a manufacturer's set of crypto "keys" (installed on every player) becomes compromised, the industry can revoke all of that manufacturer's keys, thus rendering your Samsung player useless. How can they revoke the keys inside your Blu-Ray player? Well, that leads us to number

9. Unauthorized firmware updates. In order to make sure that the consumers are playing by their rules, they plan on including firmware updates on future movie releases. Scenario goes like this:
-Samsung(for example) somehow has some of their crypto keys leaked to a hacker group, who begin to distribute Blu-Ray unlocking software.
-Blu-Ray Association requires a firmware update to go out and patch this vulnerability.
-Update rolls out on Mission Impossible 5 disc, which you rent from Blockbuster.
-You put the disc into your player, and without asking your permission, it tells your player to update and change the way that it works. This particular change "revokes" all existing Samsung crypto keys, so the update tells the player to erase its keys.
-Your player now can't work; at least, it won't read Blu-Ray discs, which is what you bought it to do.

I think I've covered a few reasons on why someone could not want Blu-Ray.

May have missed a few, though. This was off the top of my head.
 
bookishboy,

Wow that was a long post. And while I did read it all, and appreciate it, I guess you didn't realize I was being sarcastic. I agree with most of what you say, and I have no intention to buy a PS3, or Bluray. (maybe hd-dvd though)

One thing though...
5. I just bought a HDTV last year, and it's already obsolete if I want to use Blu-Ray. My TV uses DVI, and HDMI is required for the new standard. If I manage to plug in my PS3 or Blu-Ray player into the TV with S-Video or RCA cables, then I've kind of lost the benefit of having a Blu-Ray player. I'm not interested in buying:
-a new TV or a set-top box
-an expensive Blu-Ray player
-expensive HDMI cables
.....just to get the latest and greatest "benefits" of HD.
I don't think this is entirely true. DVI and HDMI are actually basically the same thing, except for a couple trivial things. You can cheaply pick up an HDMI to DVI converter cable at www.monoprice.com as well as cheap HDMI cables. You should still be able to take full advantage of your HDTV with any bluray or HD player by using a HDMI to DVI converting cable, if you bought one.

Full HDCP implementation which may or may not require a real HDMI connection is indeffinately postponed right now. You are probably going to be fine for the next 5 years at least. Hollywood knows that implementing HDCP is suicide without many times more customors having HDMI / HDCP compatible devices in their homes.
 
Sarcasm noted. Thanks, I totally didn't realize you were being facetious. My fanboy radar went off, and I had to respond.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who objects to the "PS3 as Techno Trojan Horse"
:)
 
[quote name='dastly75']I consider myself to know slightly more than the average consumer when it comes to electronics. The only time I hear of HDMI is when people talk about the ps3, I really don't think many people in the mainstream care about it or know what it is. The things the average person DOES know is price and games, appropriate since those are the only 2 things that truly matter. So I seriously doubt there were a large number of complaints regarding the lack of HDMI.[/QUOTE]

HDMI is not something you or many consumers might care about now (much as component hookups meant little to people to consumers initially), but the convenience and quality it offers are something you definitely want, even if you don't have a TV that takes advantage of it right now. In two or three years, who knows?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Graphically it won't be better. But it has bluray included! How can you not want that?![/QUOTE]

How could I not want that?! I dunno! I do want it! So my games aren't on 2 or 3 discs!

It's not just about watching movies... though I suppose there's not much to do on the 360 other than that right now.
 
5. I just bought a HDTV last year, and it's already obsolete if I want to use Blu-Ray. My TV uses DVI, and HDMI is required for the new standard. If I manage to plug in my PS3 or Blu-Ray player into the TV with S-Video or RCA cables, then I've kind of lost the benefit of having a Blu-Ray player. I'm not interested in buying:
-a new TV or a set-top box
-an expensive Blu-Ray player
-expensive HDMI cables
.....just to get the latest and greatest "benefits" of HD.

I'm not disagreing with your point of view but I wanted to point out that your HDTV is not obsolete simply because it doesn't have HDMI. The only difference between DVI video and HDMI video is the HDCP (DRM) functionality. The video signals themselves are identical.

The HDMI technology as a whole basically takes DVI video and combines it with the audio signal and DRM capabilities all in one fancy little cable. Make sense?

EDIT: Damn you thrustbucket! :p
 
[quote name='Chacrana']How could I not want that?! I dunno! I do want it! So my games aren't on 2 or 3 discs!

It's not just about watching movies... though I suppose there's not much to do on the 360 other than that right now.[/QUOTE]


I dunno, I play my 360 nearly daily.... games.

Anyway, I'm not sure if YOU are being sarcastic now, but I am extremely skeptical that very many games on the PS3 will really need that much storage, unless they have an awful lot of 1080p FMV. But most games, these days, are using in-engine cut scenes (which I perfer) that don't take nearly the space.

There is only one game so far, made by insomniac, that claims they are using 20+ gigs of space for real game assets, but I wager this will be the exception, not the rule.

And honestly, if I'm wrong, I never minded disk swapping on the PS1 with FFVII. It sure beats paying $300 more for a bluray drive imo.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I dunno, I play my 360 nearly daily.... games.

Anyway, I'm not sure if YOU are being sarcastic now, but I am extremely skeptical that very many games on the PS3 will really need that much storage, unless they have an awful lot of 1080p FMV. But most games, these days, are using in-engine cut scenes (which I perfer) that don't take nearly the space.

There is only one game so far, made by insomniac, that claims they are using 20+ gigs of space for real game assets, but I wager this will be the exception, not the rule.

And honestly, if I'm wrong, I never minded disk swapping on the PS1 with FFVII. It sure beats paying $300 more for a bluray drive imo.[/QUOTE]

It's between $100 and $200 more now that Sony's got HDMI on the 20GB version. If you wanna compare the ghetto version of the 360 to the most expensive version of the PS3 (even though you no longer need the more expensive PS3), then I guess it is $300 more in a skewed sorta way.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']It's between $100 and $200 more now that Sony's got HDMI on the 20GB version. If you wanna compare the ghetto version of the 360 to the most expensive version of the PS3 (even though you no longer need the more expensive PS3), then I guess it is $300 more in a skewed sorta way.[/quote]
You can be sure Sony will keep the 80/20 split between premium and basic systems. So good luck finding the less expensive version, at least early on.
 
Kinda sad if Sony goes and doesnt drop the American price like it looks like. Just another missed opportunity. It would be the 2nd time this month a japanese company has shitted on it's US customers. Still I will buy one to get my Gundam/Armored Core fix.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']Kinda sad if Sony goes and doesnt drop the American price like it looks like. Just another missed opportunity. It would be the 2nd time this month a japanese company has shitted on it's US customers. Still I will buy one to get my Gundam/Armored Core fix.[/quote]
If you really look at it, all three console makers are screwing over the US. Nintendo is giving Japan a bundle-less console with other promotions that have not been confirmed for the US. Microsoft is attempting to give away the 360 in Japan. Sony now has a lower price in Japan. Must be part of the video game culture to cater to the Japanese even though the US market is many times larger.
 
This almost makes a PS3 an option for me. I still want the WiFi for my PSP though.

It just makes me happy that the PS3 Core is no longer the tardbox. And the core is SO MUCH SAXYER. God I hate silver.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']$400 PS3 core
$300 Xbox 360 Pro/Premuim
$200 Wii

Sounds like a plan[/QUOTE]

$600 PS3 Premium
$500 PS3
$399 Xbox 360
$300 Xbox 360 Core
$250 Wii

Fixed =p

First off the Xbox 360 "premium" is NOT FRICKING PREMIUM, it's the console. Core is a downgraded version. The PS3 is going in the opposite direction.
 
[quote name='dastly75']I consider myself to know slightly more than the average consumer when it comes to electronics. The only time I hear of HDMI is when people talk about the ps3, I really don't think many people in the mainstream care about it or know what it is. The things the average person DOES know is price and games, appropriate since those are the only 2 things that truly matter. So I seriously doubt there were a large number of complaints regarding the lack of HDMI.[/quote]

The complaints I was referring to were complaints from gamers and to a larger extent, the gaming press. When Sony announced that the 20GB PS3 would not have HDMI, there was a pretty big uproar among these communities. The main complaint was that Sony had been touting the PS3 as the only true HD system, and then they drop HDMI from one of their models.

The other big complaint was that unlike the 360 core package, the 20GB PS3 could never be "upgraded" to the premium version. While this is still technically the case (no Wi-Fi, no flash memory slots), it is a way better situation then it was.

The majority of people who are going to be getting a PS3 at launch are gaming enthusiasts and tech enthusiasts. It is in Sony's best interest to cater to this group's needs in order to build up the hype to sell it to the average consumer in the future.

I agree that the average consumer knows basically nothing about HD, HDMI, or the PS3 for that matter. Those weren't the people complaining, it was the gaming community and I think Sony finally listened (somewhat).
 
[quote name='Chacrana']How could I not want that?! I dunno! I do want it! So my games aren't on 2 or 3 discs![/quote]

I respect you Chacrana, and I'm assuming you know already that for the most part, this still isnt a problem.

Name one DVD console game, that came out on 2 discs.

Most of the space on a disc is still used for music. If the PS3 is as awesome as it says, why would it need FMV? In game cut scenes are like 1mb of data a min. On a 4.3 gb DVD, (wait, make that 8.6 Dual Layer DVDs) thats MOOOOORE than enough.

Keep in mind everyone, that PCs are still the beta for new tech... and PC games arent multiple DVDs. High res textures and PC has been "High Def" since 1997.

Insomniac's 20gb game is full of shit.... there is NO way that game requires that much space unless they dont know how to code worth a shit.
 
My god people, shut the hell up with the console arguments. If you want a Bluray player fine enjoy if you don't Dont fucking goad people into your way of thinking that new technology is useless.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']I respect you Chacrana, and I'm assuming you know already that for the most part, this still isnt a problem.

Name one DVD console game, that came out on 2 discs.

Most of the space on a disc is still used for music. If the PS3 is as awesome as it says, why would it need FMV? In game cut scenes are like 1mb of data a min. On a 4.3 gb DVD, (wait, make that 8.6 Dual Layer DVDs) thats MOOOOORE than enough.

Keep in mind everyone, that PCs are still the beta for new tech... and PC games arent multiple DVDs. High res textures and PC has been "High Def" since 1997.

Insomniac's 20gb game is full of shit.... there is NO way that game requires that much space unless they dont know how to code worth a shit.[/QUOTE]

Shenmue 2
 
[quote name='Zoglog']$600 PS3 Premium
$500 PS3
$399 Xbox 360
$300 Xbox 360 Core
$250 Wii

Fixed =p

First off the Xbox 360 "premium" is NOT FRICKING PREMIUM, it's the console. Core is a downgraded version. The PS3 is going in the opposite direction.[/QUOTE]

Jesus christ, someone always has to feel smart and post this. We all know by now but who the fuck cares what the bundle name is (or isn't)?!?!
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Jesus christ, someone always has to feel smart and post this. We all know by now but who the fuck cares what the bundle name is (or isn't)?!?![/QUOTE]

And on top of that I was posting the prices the consoles SHOULD be.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']The complaints I was referring to were complaints from gamers and to a larger extent, the gaming press. When Sony announced that the 20GB PS3 would not have HDMI, there was a pretty big uproar among these communities. The main complaint was that Sony had been touting the PS3 as the only true HD system, and then they drop HDMI from one of their models.

The other big complaint was that unlike the 360 core package, the 20GB PS3 could never be "upgraded" to the premium version. While this is still technically the case (no Wi-Fi, no flash memory slots), it is a way better situation then it was.

The majority of people who are going to be getting a PS3 at launch are gaming enthusiasts and tech enthusiasts. It is in Sony's best interest to cater to this group's needs in order to build up the hype to sell it to the average consumer in the future.

I agree that the average consumer knows basically nothing about HD, HDMI, or the PS3 for that matter. Those weren't the people complaining, it was the gaming community and I think Sony finally listened (somewhat).[/QUOTE]
You can bet your ass that Wi-Fi will be an available add-on for the $500 PS3.
 
Even if it was $450, I still couldn't afford a PS3. :(

Heck, I'm still waiting for an Xbox 360 price drop.

Methinks it will still be a Wii Xmas in the gunm household this year...
 
[quote name='lebowsky']
The majority of people who are going to be getting a PS3 at launch are gaming enthusiasts and tech enthusiasts.[/QUOTE]
No, it's actually going to be money enthusiasts.

Selling them on eBay, son!
 
[quote name='Zoglog']man, I love how fanboys hate sony so much that we each have our own little fox news networks spawning everywhere ;)[/QUOTE]

What's wrong with fox news network? ;)
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Shenmue 2[/QUOTE]

All of Shenmue 2 takes place on one DVD. The other disc is a movie detailing what occurs in the first game.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']The complaints I was referring to were complaints from gamers and to a larger extent, the gaming press. When Sony announced that the 20GB PS3 would not have HDMI, there was a pretty big uproar among these communities. The main complaint was that Sony had been touting the PS3 as the only true HD system, and then they drop HDMI from one of their models.

The other big complaint was that unlike the 360 core package, the 20GB PS3 could never be "upgraded" to the premium version. While this is still technically the case (no Wi-Fi, no flash memory slots), it is a way better situation then it was.

The majority of people who are going to be getting a PS3 at launch are gaming enthusiasts and tech enthusiasts. It is in Sony's best interest to cater to this group's needs in order to build up the hype to sell it to the average consumer in the future.

I agree that the average consumer knows basically nothing about HD, HDMI, or the PS3 for that matter. Those weren't the people complaining, it was the gaming community and I think Sony finally listened (somewhat).[/QUOTE]


It's almost a given that it will sell out at launch by the "gaming enthusiasts" and ebayers. The speculation is how well it will do in the following 2-3 years and onward.

The Gamecube sold well out of the launch gate but that does not ensure that average consumers will just buy it out of hype.


[quote name='Tybee']HDMI is not something you or many consumers might care about now (much as component hookups meant little to people to consumers initially), but the convenience and quality it offers are something you definitely want, even if you don't have a TV that takes advantage of it right now. In two or three years, who knows?[/QUOTE]

In two or three years exactly. So the PS3 launching with HDMI isn't a factor but in 2 or 3 years it might prove useful. Consumers aren't going to be buying the PS3 for HDMI if they don't know about it. In 2 or 3 years the PS3 will have good games and a lot of other things going for it(hopefully) and that's when it might start gaining favor from the public. Maybe.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']

Name one DVD console game, that came out on 2 discs.

[/QUOTE]

Star Ocean
Xenosaga 3
Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams
Devil May Cry 2
 
Xenosaga 2 as well.

I think FF12 is one disc though. at least, the japanese version is (or the torrent I got was wrong.)
 
[quote name='Apossum']Xenosaga 2 as well.

I think FF12 is one disc though. at least, the japanese version is (or the torrent I got was wrong.)[/QUOTE]

Ahh yeah, its the LE with the extra crap thats 2 discs. Thanks.
 
[quote name='dastly75']It's almost a given that it will sell out at launch by the "gaming enthusiasts" and ebayers. The speculation is how well it will do in the following 2-3 years and onward.

The Gamecube sold well out of the launch gate but that does not ensure that average consumers will just buy it out of hype.




In two or three years exactly. So the PS3 launching with HDMI isn't a factor but in 2 or 3 years it might prove useful. Consumers aren't going to be buying the PS3 for HDMI if they don't know about it. In 2 or 3 years the PS3 will have good games and a lot of other things going for it(hopefully) and that's when it might start gaining favor from the public. Maybe.[/QUOTE]

Well lets also be honest here and say this is Sony's attempt to pimp off Blu-Ray to most of the people buying a PS3. I mean MOST consumers will be buying thee cheaper model and it makes it hard for them to do the whole HD bit for it if the lower cost model doesn't include HDMI.
Personally unless Sony FIXES some big flaws in Blu-Ray I hope the PS3 loses the console war, only because I'm afraid the end result is that we'll be stuck with the idiot consumer choosing Blu-Ray and giving us shitty HD.
Also to the people who think this makes it all better, even if the console is cheaper how many of you on average will pay $70-80 for a game on the high end of the PS3 scale? If there was the same title on the 360 for $50-60 would you buy that instead?
 
With HDTV's outselling SDTV's Sony putting HDMI on both models will help quite a bit. Stores like Best Buy have plans on phasing out SD tubes and moving everything to atleast ED LCDs.

[quote name='Sarang01'].
Also to the people who think this makes it all better, even if the console is cheaper how many of you on average will pay $70-80 for a game on the high end of the PS3 scale? [/QUOTE]

Best Buy, estarland, and other places are preordering the games at $60.
 
[quote name='dastly75']In two or three years exactly. So the PS3 launching with HDMI isn't a factor but in 2 or 3 years it might prove useful. Consumers aren't going to be buying the PS3 for HDMI if they don't know about it. In 2 or 3 years the PS3 will have good games and a lot of other things going for it(hopefully) and that's when it might start gaining favor from the public. Maybe.[/QUOTE]

Just because the consumer doesn't understand HDMI right now doesn't justify it's exclusion. HDMI connections have been standard on HDTVs for a couple years now. Hell, there are a lot of Joe Six Pack's out there with 52" HD sets that are still watching stretched SD content because they don't know that they can buy a $15 antenna or pay an extra $5-$10 a month to their cable company and get the true HD content that actually justifies that fancy TV. I've seen it first-hand.

With Blu-Ray, Sony is playing up the PS3 as a viable foundation for the next generation of home theater, and an HDMI connection is required to fulfill that promise. So in that light, they would have been asses not to include it on both models.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903'] Best Buy, estarland, and other places are preordering the games at $60.[/QUOTE]

I think he may of meant something along the lines of Limited Edition versions or once the cost of downloadable content is factored in.
 
[quote name='furyk']I think he may of meant something along the lines of Limited Edition versions or once the cost of downloadable content is factored in.[/QUOTE]


Then its a choice to spend that much, not something that you have to pay.
 
Sad thing is tybee what I mentioned above about Blu-Ray is true. Sony HASN'T worked out the kinks of BD-50 last I heard which they really need to do to make using the MPEG2 codec viable, even possibly using BD-100 to fit some movies on one disc. Then add to the fact they make use of MS's copyright protection bit which I've heard will make it look shittier regardless if they fix themselves and modify their video to fit what HD-DVD has.
Btw tybee where's my fucking Scotch? ;-) And only an idiot would call all the shit that's happening right now glass half full even Bush excluded.
No I didn't Fury. Last I heard Sony said prices ranging from $60-80 per game and I'm sure some won't be LE's. Even $60 is outrageous IMO $70-80 standard price especially so. The ONLY game that would come close to making me spend that kind of money on a game is SMT in HD 720p or especially 1080p with the output through HDMI and it would NOT be upconverted but Atlus is too fucking cheap to do that. Graphics like that made HD, with the exception of VERY few other properties, would make the average game in HD look dull.
 
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