Howard Dean: The Gift That Keeps on Giving

PittsburghAfterDark

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This morning on ABC's GOOD MORNING AMERICA, Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean attacked President Bush for turning the United States into Iran.

Dean: "All we ask is that we not turn into a country like Iran where the President can do anything he wants."


I love this man, I really, really do.

He's the gift that keeps on giving.
 
Oh of course he does!

I knew you'd agree with him. Most people on this board will.

I just need him to take to the road with this. Every stop, every fundraiser, every television ad from Labor Day to Election Day.

Shout it out Dr. Dean, scream it from the rooftops. Be that gift that keeps on giving!
 
I am giving you a prescription, PAD:

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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']This morning on ABC's GOOD MORNING AMERICA, Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean attacked President Bush for turning the United States into Iran.

Dean: "All we ask is that we not turn into a country like Iran where the President can do anything he wants."


I love this man, I really, really do.

He's the gift that keeps on giving.[/QUOTE]

Had Dean used the phrase "constitutional authority," you wouldn't be lifting this from the headlines of the Drudge Report with such glee.
 
The fact that none of you see this statement as a campaign and party wrecker could not please me more.

You make my day every day but today more than others.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The fact that none of you see this statement as a campaign and party wrecker could not please me more.

You make my day every day but today more than others.[/QUOTE]


Any criticism of Bush is ALWAYS either funny and/or true. I'm surprised you haven't learned the way the blind Bush hatred works yet.
 
Haven't you had enough of making a fool out of yourself? You had your few weeks respite after being laughed at by your favorite community, now you're back to this again? You're asking for it.
 
Umm...... if I was a strategist for the democratic party I wouldn't want the party leader comparing the u.s. to Iran, and that's the impression that is given here. I remember someone once said to me "whoever shouts the loudest is the first to be heard, and the first to be ignored".

They're public figures, they need to do more than rally the troops (ie. supporters), they need to convince the undecided and, ideally, the oppositions supporters as to why their view is superior. This behavior should be kept to environments where he is dealing with supporters, not with the general public.
 
after all the crap going on with the Republicans (R for "rent"), you are clinging to a Dean quote about not wanting to be Iran? in the lexicon of the GOP " So do you want us to be Iran?" . And didn't you guys make a career of calling Liberals "commies" for years???

The problem is not with Dean. It's in the mirror, Fatts
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']They're public figures, they need to do more than rally the troops (ie. supporters), they need to convince the undecided and, ideally, the oppositions supporters as to why their view is superior. This behavior should be kept to environments where he is dealing with supporters, not with the general public.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right. The way for people like Howard Dean and Ken Mehlman to try and "grow" their parties is to talk out of both sides of their mouths. After all, that's what the two big parties have always done...
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Ken Mehlman[/QUOTE]

So, so gay. Makes Dame Edna look like a truck driver by comparison. Don't know if I'd pointed that out yet, but the gaydar senses go off the fucking charts (past "Elton John" even) when he's on TV.

Not that it matters, although he's still in the closet, and that counts for something.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']You're absolutely right. The way for people like Howard Dean and Ken Mehlman to try and "grow" their parties is to talk out of both sides of their mouths. After all, that's what the two big parties have always done...[/QUOTE]

It's more controlling the intensity of what you say. He can make the same point with different wording and it will sound very different and much more reasonable, even if the point is the same.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So, so gay. Makes Dame Edna look like a truck driver by comparison. Don't know if I'd pointed that out yet, but the gaydar senses go off the fucking charts (past "Elton John" even) when he's on TV.

Not that it matters, although he's still in the closet, and that counts for something.[/QUOTE]

mykevermin, I never knew you were so articulate. You really hit it home with an argument like that, I bet you win all the debates with your stunning attack of "calling Republicans gay."

Sigh.

Are there any liberals with any substance to their arguments? You know, I mean besides calling anyone who doesn't agree with them homosexual, retarded, or crazy.
 
[quote name='Ace-Of-War']mykevermin, I never knew you were so articulate. You really hit it home with an argument like that, I bet you win all the debates with your stunning attack of "calling Republicans gay."

Sigh.

Are there any liberals with any substance to their arguments? You know, I mean besides calling anyone who doesn't agree with them homosexual, retarded, or crazy.[/QUOTE]

You're new here; follow the lead of "Three Dollar Hooker," who appears to have a few days seniority over you. They've already tried this approach, so, if you follow their posts over the past few days, you can just skip right ahead to the next step of vs. forum newbies: finding out who you will consider your arch-rival on this thread.

The delicious irony of your "why don't liberals have any substance, and just call people crazy instead" whimpering starting, for the very first time, in a thread like this (where you managed to avoid the original poster doing the precise same thing you're bitching about), was almost as good as what I had for lunch. Almost.

Welcome, shitneck.
 
PAD, show me how the current checks and balance system is preventing bush from getting whatever he wants. Cause I am interested in seeing if you actually think that system is in effect.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Welcome, shitneck.[/QUOTE]

Take it easy partner, I've never seen someone get so worked up over some silly political interview.

I'm just admiring your intellectual prowess, if anything you should be thanking me. I don't know many conservatives who have as powerful and damaging political rhetoric as your "loll rpeublicans r gay!!1" routine. We could all take pointers from your perpetual anger toward anyone who doesn't agree with you. The "shitneck" comment is a nice touch, I also like the original insult of calling me a newbie, I bet you're the first one to use that!

For future reference, just because someone is new to a forum doesn't mean they were born yesterday. You're more than welcome to place false stock in internet forum seniority, but I've been following politics a very long time.
 
[quote name='Ace-Of-War']I'm just admiring your intellectual prowess, if anything you should be thanking me. I don't know many conservatives who have as powerful and damaging political rhetoric as your "loll rpeublicans r gay!!1" routine. We could all take pointers from your perpetual anger toward anyone who doesn't agree with you. The "shitneck" comment is a nice touch, I also like the original insult of calling me a newbie, I bet you're the first one to use that!
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That's actually out of character for Myke and was really just an off the cuff remark. Many of us are prone to posting such when the monotony of repetetive threads gets the better of us. He's one of a select few of the liberals here who can formulate an argument, form a complete sentence, and be generally levelheaded and politically correct. If you knew that socialist whacko a little better you'd have known he was just kidding.

The only reason anybody pays attention to Dean is becuase of his previous notoriety of being an outspoken presidential candidate. He is basically the mirror image of his predecesor Terry McCauliffe, who was also predisposed to hyperbolic jactitation, but wasn't as well known by the general public. Had Dean never been a candidate, I doubt anyone would bother paying attention to what he says.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']That's actually out of character for Myke and was really just an off the cuff remark. Many of us are prone to posting such when the monotony of repetetive threads gets the better of us. He's one of a select few of the liberals here who can formulate an argument, form a complete sentence, and be generally levelheaded and politically correct. If you knew that socialist whacko a little better you'd have known he was just kidding.

The only reason anybody pays attention to Dean is becuase of his previous notoriety of being an outspoken presidential candidate. He is basically the mirror image of his predecesor Terry McCauliffe, who was also predisposed to hyperbolic jactitation, but wasn't as well known by the general public. Had Dean never been a candidate, I doubt anyone would bother paying attention to what he says.[/QUOTE]

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as I don't really know people here too well yet. PAD did seem to be instigating some, but I get so frustrated listening to these internet litanies of baseless attacks against this administration. Formulated, well thought out responses like yours I don't mind, but to listen to someone make a post about how Mehlman is a closet homosexual to try and pass it off as an attack sickens me.

I would disagree with your assertion that Howard Dean wouldn't be given much attention had he not ran for president in 2004. As the chairman of a major political party you hold one of this highest PR positions in the land. What Mehlman or Dean say publicly are always going to be under a microscope, and if the Democrats don't want Howard Dean paraded around for his highly unorthodox and very left-wing rhetoric, they should probably put someone in who acts a little more civil.

It's not as if Dr. Dean is a shining star when it comes to fiscal conservatism either I hear...
 
[quote name='Ace-Of-War']but I get so frustrated listening to these internet litanies of baseless attacks against this administration. [/QUOTE]
Do you get frustrated listening to formulated attacks against this adminstration?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']That's actually out of character for Myke and was really just an off the cuff remark.[/QUOTE]

Eh. I don't know if it's that out of character for me, but I digress.

As for Ace-of-War, has your political allegience blinded you to the original reason this thread exists? If you want to chide people for making irreverent comments, then fine; I'll take my lumps. I'll also be the sixth or seventh person in line, easily, only taking the remarks on this thread into account.

Now, if you want to change the dialogue in the versus forum, you're going about it the wrong way. There seem to be a few techniques the handful (well, partial handful) of righties (or those just seeking to either balance the thread - elprincipe - or just be devil's advocates to the nth degree - bmulligan). Other than those two techniques, there is the PittsburghAfterDark, in which one quote is used as the foundation for an entire line of thinking, or an entire article cut and paste from Drudge, Limbaugh, or Free Republic. Also, if you go down this lane, be certain to use all your hyperbolic powers in the thread title, and offer little of your own insight in the first post. Subsequent posts in the same thread typically involve calling people "dumbass."

Or, you can take your approach, which is to single people out for intellectual shortsightedness (despite its abundance), and leave with the ironic consequence of having proffered nothing of substance in return. Be certain to convince yourself that the other person is actually worked up about your bland statements, and not, for instance, thinking about putting the chicken in the oven, or doing some leveling up in CastleVania: Harmony of Dissonance (y'know, just as a hypothetical). Subsequent comments to this line of thinking shall involve you pointing out just how much you've given me something resembling "what-for."

You can mix and match; just see the aforementioned Three Dollar Hooker for some intermediate techniques. If you actually want to raise my blood pressue, as well as my interest and attention (instead of me constantly reminding myself to put my Belgian Ales on ice, and look up their ratings/tasting notes, just as another hypothetical), then study under bmulligan. We have out moments, and then we don't; however, he consistently succeeds, far and beyond anyone in this forum, at managing to antagonize me.

Thus far, your trite techniques leave me half sleepy, and half keeping up with the laundry list of things to do until the evening comes. You're giving yourself a lot of credit that you don't deserve credit for. I'll let this be the last response to you in this thread. Instead, I'll let you make up a topic of something that you find to be relevant, interesting, and not previously discussed in this forum (well, in the past four weeks; the vs forums repeats itself like a menstrual cycle sometimes). Here's some help, in the event you need it: none of the righties have brought up Coretta Scott King's funeral yet (though PAD's signature, I believe, shows the phoenetic humor he found in Joseph Lowery).

Which reminds me, I should pick up some old Amos n' Andy videos for him for Valentine's Day. He'll love them, certainly.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Do you get frustrated listening to formulated attacks against this adminstration?[/QUOTE]

If you would've quoted just the next ten words in my post you wouldn't have had to ask me that. I certainly don't mind a intelligent disagreement, at the very least above absurd namecalling.

mykevermin, I don't know what your problem is, as you seem to take a particular liking to my posts as opposed to anyone else, but maybe if you'd stop whining for two seconds and actually read what I had written you could've saved yourself the trouble of writing your post as well. I gave you the benefit of the doubt as a simple left-leaning fellow tired of hearing the same slander cut and pasted. For some reason you continue to act like a prick and continue to insult my intelligence when I specifically stipulated that PAD may very well have been instigating. In short, I basically agreed with you in so many words.

Maybe I singled you out because you deserved it just as much as anyone willing to stake their integrity on an "attack" of baseless allegations that Ken Mehlman is, in fact, a homosexual. (Not that I even see what the problem is with being gay) Don't cry because I didn't take the time to criticize every post ever recorded in the entire forum, you made the foolish comment and you should either stand by it or admit it was indeed foolish.

Starting out your discussion with me by refering to me as a "shitfuck" when I used no profanity to describe you whatsoever isn't what I'd called diplomatic, respectful, or even intelligent. Unless you constantly talk like a sailor, it was not giving myself too much credit to assume I struck a nerve with my comment. If those are your most damaging retorts, I'll save you the time and knock down that ivory tower you're sitting on. Rest assured however, that a two paragraph long newbie insult is still a newbie insult, implicated or not.

If redemption is what you're seeking, patronizing and insulting me is not the right way to go about it. If it isn't, then I can't say I'm sad to have lost contact with you.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] Here's some help, in the event you need it: none of the righties have brought up Coretta Scott King's funeral yet (though PAD's signature, I believe, shows the phoenetic humor he found in Joseph Lowery).
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There is a time and a place for a political agenda and a funeral isn't one of them.
I think it shows we righties have a little more respect for the dead than do the democratic 'leadership' by having the tact not to mention that debacle.
 
What do you mean by "baseless" Shitneck?

I mean.. Welcome new guy!

No, seriously what in the fuck do you mean by baseless.
 
[quote name='Msut77']What do you mean by "baseless" Shitneck?

I mean.. Welcome new guy!

No, seriously what in the fuck do you mean by baseless.[/QUOTE]


[quote name='Metal Boss']Post one "baseless" bush attack that you have read here...[/QUOTE]

Before davis85 or dennis_t get a chance to chime in here I'd just like to say that Parrots cannot recognize themselves in a mirror.

a non-sequitur? you decide...
 
[quote name='bmulligan']There is a time and a place for a political agenda and a funeral isn't one of them.
I think it shows we righties have a little more respect for the dead than do the democratic 'leadership' by having the tact not to mention that debacle.[/QUOTE]

Did you know President Reagan passed away?
 
[quote name='Msut77']What do you mean by "baseless" Shitneck?

I mean.. Welcome new guy!

No, seriously what in the fuck do you mean by baseless.[/QUOTE]

Oh Msut, do you e-mail your mother with those keystrokes? :D

How about your post for starters:

W is a party wrecker, the only ones left who support him are the crazies and the tards.

If you'd like I can help you edit it so that you may have a satisfactory attack. Of course it wouldn't be formidable, but then again I'm not a miracle worker.
 
hardly notable, how about one in the context of a debate? Or is this sub-section truely dominated by tweeny alpha males with flat jokes
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']hardly notable[/QUOTE]

Well do you have actual evidence that says every supporter of President Bush is de facto retarded or insane?

Either admit it or ignore it, but don't act like it wasn't just another ridiculous cheap shot to make you sound badass for insulting Republicans on some internet forum.
 
[quote name='Ace-Of-War']Well do you have actual evidence that says every supporter of President Bush is de facto retarded or insane?

Either admit it or ignore it, but don't act like it wasn't just another ridiculous cheap shot to make you sound badass for insulting Republicans on some internet forum.[/QUOTE]

Well, I have evidence that red states aren't as intelligent as blue states. Sure it doesn't support the "every bush supporters a retard" argument, but it doesn't exactly reflect positively on red state intelligence.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Well, I have evidence that red states aren't as intelligent as blue states. Sure it doesn't support the "every bush supporters a retard" argument, but it doesn't exactly reflect positively on red state intelligence.[/QUOTE]

If you're referring to the Red State/Blue State - IQ crosstabulation that was published in The Economist, it was proven to be a hoax and The Economist had to publish an errata in the subsequent issue. There are no data for average IQ per state.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']If you're referring to the Red State/Blue State - IQ crosstabulation that was published in The Economist, it was proven to be a hoax and The Economist had to publish an errata in the subsequent issue. There are no data for average IQ per state.[/QUOTE]

Damn. I mentioned it jokingly (not suggesting a direct link) but I missed the hoax part.

edit: Oh well, the smartest state rankings produce a similar result:

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm
 
[quote name='Msut77']Still waiting shitneck, what did you mean by baseless?

Are you yet another lying bush supporter?[/QUOTE]

How about just listening to yourself. I guess you're having trouble with the term...

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adj. Having no basis or foundation in fact; unfounded.[/quote]

In otherwords the phrase "the only ones left who support him are the crazies and the tards" is unfounded with no basis or foundation in fact. Do you understand now or do I have to run it by you slower for the third time?
 
Shitneck what you said was "but I get so frustrated listening to these internet litanies of baseless attacks against this administration."

As for what I said for W being a party wrecker
 
Shitneck what you said was "but I get so frustrated listening to these internet litanies of baseless attacks against this administration."

As for what I said for W being a party wrecker (the part pertaining to "this administration") I rely on the polls for from the past 6 months or so.

As for Bush supporters being either crazy or retarded I use my powers of observation.
 
Atta boy, dodge the issue and continue ad hominem attacks when you get painted into a corner. Just like a good liberal. Serves me right for trying to be civil and rational with you.

[quote name='Msut77']Shitneck what you said was "but I get so frustrated listening to these internet litanies of baseless attacks against this administration."

As for what I said for W being a party wrecker[/QUOTE]

If you didn't have such trouble reading maybe you would've realized that was a general statement, if I was intending to refer to your post don't you think I would've quoted it? If I did want a specific post, how about infering that a term-restricted, popularly elected President as a King with absolute power? It's the most ridiculous, idiotic notion I ever heard and the leader of the Democratic party is basically saying that President Bush is or is becoming this manical dictator. Then you and E-Z-B and Metal Boss just follow in lock step like good hive-minds.

Compared to the likes of FDR and Abe Lincoln, President Bush is a damn social libertarian.

EDIT: And, sorry, but I don't accept "powers of observation" as fact. Want to try again, cut your losses, or drop it?
 
I did not dodge the issue, you said against the Bush administration. You were and are attempting to move the goal posts.

As for the Bush being king spiel that isnt baseless W is pretty much on record saying he can break any law he wants.
 
[quote name='Msut77']on record saying he can break any law he wants.[/QUOTE]

I wonder how many different ways I can say prove it about your grossly false hyperbole before we can clinically recognize you as incompetent?

I want you to find me one, just one article. CNN, FOX NEWS, NBC, ABC, CBS, AP, Reuters... any news source from any time that has President Bush quoted as saying that he can, "break any law he wants."
 
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