I am proud to be an American because?

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Pliskin101

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I will start it off by answering...

I have the right to be me. Yet there is room for growth and change and it is not prohibited but encouraged. America does not limit me the only limit is me.
I am not America I am an American. Individually we stand together and together we stand for the individual.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']I will start it off by answering...

I have the right to be me. Yet there is room for growth and change and it is not prohibited but encouraged. America does not limit me the only limit is me.
I am not America I am an American. Individually we stand together and together we stand for the individual.[/QUOTE]

The mind boggles...
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']The mind boggles...[/QUOTE]

Scalia or Kennedy?
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']The mind boggles...[/QUOTE]
In third world countries like Canada, you don't have the right to be yourself. Everyone has to be someone else, it's quite confusing.
 
[quote name='Clak']In third world countries like Canada, you don't have the right to be yourself. Everyone has to be someone else, it's quite confusing.[/QUOTE]

You forgot the UK, they hate individualism over there. They have no freedom.

America's the only country where humans get to be free of course.
 
I'm not necessarily proud to be an American. Traveling abroad a fair bit, the image of America and Americans is at the lowest during my lifetime. I'm happy I live in America though, because I have more personal liberties than many other places.

I've done some good things for my country too, so it's a give and take relationship.

I remember being in Saudi more than a decade ago and the bus we were on was stopped by cops. They were checking passports and deporting people who were there illegally. They were pulling Indians, Pakistanis, Africans off the bus. I was more than a little worried since my visa had expired a few days earlier until I got the very corner of my passport out of my pocket and they could tell it was a US Passport and quickly waved their hand and said "No see, no see."
 
[quote name='Stoic Person Eater']Football.[/QUOTE]

Now that's actually a convincing argument for a change. Of course, Canada has football (not the soccer-football) as well and there's some talk of the NFL bringing back NFL Europe too...
 
I mean I'm glad I wasn't born into abject poverty in a third world country, but there are plenty of other countries I could live in and be just as happy so I'm not patriotic at all.

Honestly if it weren't for issues of career and language barriers I'm not sure I'd stay here.
 
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I don't believe in taking pride in something I have zero control over (i.e race, nationality, gender, etc.). That being said, I'm pretty damn happy I was born here and not Somalia.
 
A neat educational game called Real Lives will make you glad you were born in the first world. Fire it up. Girl born in India. Neat. Whoops, cholera at age 1. Age 2, brother dies because he took a dip in the Ganges. Age 3, raped by father. Age 4, you have died. At least it's a better ending than Mass Effect 3.

Progressives here will rant about how hard it is to be an American black or Hispanic or whatever, but I've never seen a brother walking around with goiter in Harlem.
 
[quote name='Spokker'] Fire it up. Girl born in India. Neat. Whoops, cholera at age 1. Age 2, brother dies because he took a dip in the Ganges. Age 3, raped by father. Age 4, you have died. At least it's a better ending than Mass Effect 3.
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Oregon Trail has rape mods? SIGN ME UP
 
[quote name='Spokker']A neat educational game called Real Lives will make you glad you were born in the first world. Fire it up. Girl born in India. Neat. Whoops, cholera at age 1. Age 2, brother dies because he took a dip in the Ganges. Age 3, raped by father. Age 4, you have died. At least it's a better ending than Mass Effect 3.

Progressives here will rant about how hard it is to be an American black or Hispanic or whatever, but I've never seen a brother walking around with goiter in Harlem.[/QUOTE]

So your entire point is that America's minorities have it better then the untouchable caste in India, a third-world country.

Yay?
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Do you have any international comparative metrics that might back this statement up? Say, something like social mobility.[/QUOTE]

You disagree that in America there is room for growth?
 
[quote name='camoor']So your entire point is that America's minorities have it better then the untouchable caste in India, a third-world country.

Yay?[/QUOTE]

It is a trope with the moron contingent that we should all be thankful because scurvy and rickets are relatively rare nowadays.

Expecting anything better is Socialism or something.
 
When you have such an abysmal chance of being born into relative prosperity (i.e. the first-world), yeah, it might make sense to reflect on how lucky you are once in your miserable life. I'm not saying that such a revelation should change your entire outlook on life, but it's quite interesting that many of us won the lottery of life.

And I'm not sure why it's so controversial coming out of my mouth. This is something liberal groups say to raise awareness of global poverty anyway. That was the entire point of Real Lives, to teach first-world kids about the world and how good they have it.
 
[quote name='Spokker']When you have such an abysmal chance of being born into relative prosperity (i.e. the first-world), yeah, it might make sense to reflect on how lucky you are once in your miserable life. I'm not saying that such a revelation should change your entire outlook on life, but it's quite interesting that many of us won the lottery of life.

And I'm not sure why it's so controversial coming out of my mouth. This is something liberal groups say to raise awareness of global poverty anyway. That was the entire point of Real Lives, to teach first-world kids about the world and how good they have it.[/QUOTE]

America is not the Truman show. Not everyone was born into a gated-community, helicopter parent, silverspoon life.

Stop being so ignorant, look outside your shell man.
 
[quote name='Msut77']It is a trope with the moron contingent that we should all be thankful because scurvy and rickets are relatively rare nowadays.

Expecting anything better is Socialism or something.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm engaging him in conversation but I'm afraid it's not going to go well.

Folks that want to remain ignorant typically get what they want.
 
[quote name='camoor']America is not the Truman show. Not everyone was born into a gated-community, helicopter parent, silverspoon life.

Stop being so ignorant, look outside your shell man.[/QUOTE]
According to the company's website it was also intended to induce empathy, guess that doesn't work on everyone.:lol:
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgmjL6z2jY[/QUOTE]

God damn comical genius, he was....

Just remember folks what extreme nationalism and national pride leads too... I'm not saying I don't like being an American but I firmly believe I would/could be just as happy a person if I was Canadian, English, Australian, Japanese, or from any other 1st world country. Like Carlin said in that video, be happy you're an American but there's just too much "pride" involved the simple accident of where you happened to be born.
 
It's funny how when the word socialism comes up people always seem to think Nazism. Yet part of what led to Hitler coming into power was nationalism, something I think conservatives have a lock on. That extreme, chest thumping, "you're not a real 'merican!", nationalism isn't good either. Sad that Carlin, a comedian, understood that, but so many others don't.
 
I agree about extreme nationalism or blind national pride. I disagree that you said "accident" in being an American. America was built by IMMIGRANTS and still is being built by immigrants and sons and daughters of immigrants. Look at just the current amount of immigrants and tell me that they didn't choose to be here. Why did millions upon millions today and past come to America? Because it was such an AWFUL place? People can also leave America and have the freedom to do so and many do...good for them.

I am not ashamed to be an American I am proud (yes proud) to be one. I don't want to leave as I believe in America and our rights and freedoms. I am not blind to the many things America has done wrong nor am I blind to the many things that most parts of the world have done wrong. We are still growing and atoning. America has come a long way and has a long way to go. The freedom and the rights are firmly in place for this to be accomplished.

George Carlin was and always will be one of my favorite comedians. The guy was hilarious.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']Isn't freedom to hate and be ignorant what makes it great to be American? Here we can have our schools choose to say that the Loch Ness Monster is real in order to disprove evolution.[/QUOTE]

Yep freedom is great and yes freedom gives everyone a voice and rights. It takes all kinds. I almost questioned my pride when I saw good old Al Sharpton playing the race card yet again but this time for Holder and Fast and Furious.
But I am still proud to be American even though total idiot jackass like Sharpton still have a voice and a following of like-minded idiots. Even that ahole has the RIGHT to be an idiot and speak his idiotic mind. http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323912

It is what it is. Freedom and rights...not always pretty yet they are right things and good things overall.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You forgot the UK, they hate individualism over there. They have no freedom.

America's the only country where humans get to be free of course.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget Germany, Belgium, or the Czech Republic. Those guys really hate the freedoms.
 
Did I miss something on here? Did someone say that other places that have or are fighting for basic freedoms and basic rights are bad? Did someone say that basic freedoms and basic rights wherever they are if not America is a bad thing? Did someone say that ONLY America has rights and freedoms?

I am proud of any country or place that fights for the many rights and freedoms that are also enjoyed in America.

Gay rights, civil rights, child labour laws, women's rights, etc etc etc. the list can and does goes on. Yep I guess I missed the part where someone on this thread said that is a bad thing.

edit: referring to RedvsBlue and cindersphere comments.
 
[quote name='dohdough']LOLZ...someone already did.:rofl:[/QUOTE]

Did somebody debate the topic of the loch ness monster on here? I missed that one too. I did see ME say that is a part of FREEDOM and RIGHTS while we may not agree or like what some do with it is not a reason to do away with freedom and rights.

Disgusting isn't it... that pesky freedom thing? If only everyone thought alike and it was mandated by law to do so. :roll:

edit: That freedom of speech is the worst and freedom of beliefs..must suck for you to have the right to believe all white people are racist and only white people are racist. It would be grand if you would shut up but it is your right to be a complete moron and voice your moronic beliefs. Yes even you have that right. If I believe it is okay to censor or take those rights away from you I would have to for everyone I don't agree with. Is that what you would like happen? Everyone who does not think, look, act etc like you should not have rights and freedoms because they are different then you?
 
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[quote name='Pliskin101']Did somebody debate the topic of the loch ness monster on here? I missed that one too. I did see ME say that is a part of FREEDOM and RIGHTS while we may not agree or like what some do with it is not a reason to do away with freedom and rights.

Disgusting isn't it... that pesky freedom thing? If only everyone thought alike and it was mandated by law to do so. :roll:

edit: That freedom of speech is the worst and freedom of beliefs..must suck for you to have the right to believe all white people are racist and only white people are racist. It would be grand if you would shut up but it is your right to be a complete moron and voice your moronic beliefs. Yes even you have that right. If I believe it is okay to censor or take those rights away from you I would have to for everyone I don't agree with. Is that what you would like happen? Everyone who does not think, look, act etc like you should not have rights and freedoms because they are different then you?[/QUOTE]

You know, we could actually have a debate if you understood what rights and freedom actually are, how they're conceived, and their purpose, but they're really nothing more than empty slogans you use for rhetorical effect and thus, devoid of any real meaning. This is evident in a vast majority of your posts, which I'm surprised you haven't deleted yet. You used the Loch Ness example to defend the right to free speech as if it was a public good to teach that the Loch Ness monster disproves evolution or that any speech that can be made is a public good.
 
[quote name='dohdough']You used the Loch Ness example to defend the right to free speech as if it was a public good to teach that the Loch Ness monster disproves evolution or that any speech that can be made is a public good.[/QUOTE]

Yes I did defend free speech. Oh big bad pliskin saying those awful things.

I did not say that their teachings about the loch ness monster was GOOD. But if you want to debate that with someone somewhere knock yourself out as that is your right.
In fact I used you as another example of people I disagree with but still defend even your dumbass right to free speech. Strange how you missed that one.
You should find someone to debate that with you too. Is dohdough's racist idiotic speech a public good? Have fun debating those things with someone else.

BuBye Now.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']Yes I did defend free speech. Oh big bad pliskin saying those awful things.

I did not say that their teachings about the loch ness monster was GOOD. But if you want to debate that with someone somewhere knock yourself out as that is your right.
In fact I used you as another example of people I disagree with but still defend even your dumbass right to free speech. Strange how you missed that one.
You should find someone to debate that with you too. Is dohdough's racist idiotic speech a public good? Have fun debating those things with someone else.[/quote]
You still haven't given any rational explanation for how my speech is "racist." I'm still waiting.

BuBye Now.
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You promise? Is this permanent or only temporary like the other times you said you were done, but weren't?
 
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