[quote name='Msut77']Let me repeat myself.
Rightwing kooks will work towards denying healthcare for sick children, literally meaning children who could be saved will die. And at the same time expect the survivors to be thankful they don't have to worry about polio anymore.[/QUOTE]
We live in a country where you can have a child and you are only responsible for feeding it once a day, while the state/feds are responsible for feeding it twice a day (including summers in some areas). I'd say that it is pretty
ing lucky to be born in a country like that or be geographically close to a country like that to sneak into.
Once the children are done eating, they are educated free of charge. If they cannot get to school, they are transported there free of charge. In other words, they will go to your house and get you. If you don't show up for class, they will go and try to find out where you are.
When the child gets sick, it will get treatment. In order to help parents provide that other meal of the day that the school does not provide, there is assistance available. They will even put it on an easy to use debit card for you.
Can't afford a cell phone? Subsidized plans are available for $2.50 a month. The phone is also free.
To pick up the phone, you'll need to take the bus, of which 70% of the cost to operate the bus (and 100% of the capital) is paid for by someone else. Even if you cannot afford the base fare of $1.00-$2.00, there are additional programs available to subsidize your transit pass even more.
While you probably do not have much income tax to pay, you will want to submit a tax return to get the Earned Income Tax Credit.
And if anybody ever tells you you're lucky to live in a nation like this, just call them a kook. Similarly, demonize anyone who might inquire about whether the programs actually work to lift people out of poverty.
Rightwing kooks will work towards denying healthcare for sick children, literally meaning children who could be saved will die. And at the same time expect the survivors to be thankful they don't have to worry about polio anymore.[/QUOTE]
We live in a country where you can have a child and you are only responsible for feeding it once a day, while the state/feds are responsible for feeding it twice a day (including summers in some areas). I'd say that it is pretty
ing lucky to be born in a country like that or be geographically close to a country like that to sneak into.Once the children are done eating, they are educated free of charge. If they cannot get to school, they are transported there free of charge. In other words, they will go to your house and get you. If you don't show up for class, they will go and try to find out where you are.
When the child gets sick, it will get treatment. In order to help parents provide that other meal of the day that the school does not provide, there is assistance available. They will even put it on an easy to use debit card for you.
Can't afford a cell phone? Subsidized plans are available for $2.50 a month. The phone is also free.
To pick up the phone, you'll need to take the bus, of which 70% of the cost to operate the bus (and 100% of the capital) is paid for by someone else. Even if you cannot afford the base fare of $1.00-$2.00, there are additional programs available to subsidize your transit pass even more.
While you probably do not have much income tax to pay, you will want to submit a tax return to get the Earned Income Tax Credit.
And if anybody ever tells you you're lucky to live in a nation like this, just call them a kook. Similarly, demonize anyone who might inquire about whether the programs actually work to lift people out of poverty.
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[quote name='Spokker']We live in a country where you can have a child and you are only responsible for feeding it once a day, while the state/feds are responsible for feeding it twice a day (including summers in some areas). I'd say that it is pretty ing lucky to be born in a country like that or be geographically close to a country like that to sneak into.
Once the children are done eating, they are educated free of charge. If they cannot get to school, they are transported there free of charge. In other words, they will go to your house and get you. If you don't show up for class, they will go and try to find out where you are.
When the child gets sick, it will get treatment. In order to help parents provide that other meal of the day that the school does not provide, there is assistance available. They will even put it on an easy to use debit card for you.
Can't afford a cell phone? Subsidized plans are available for $2.50 a month. The phone is also free.
To pick up the phone, you'll need to take the bus, of which 70% of the cost to operate the bus (and 100% of the capital) is paid for by someone else. Even if you cannot afford the base fare of $1.00-$2.00, there are additional programs available to subsidize your transit pass even more.
While you probably do not have much income tax to pay, you will want to submit a tax return to get the Earned Income Tax Credit.
And if anybody ever tells you you're lucky to live in a nation like this, just call them a kook. Similarly, demonize anyone who might inquire about whether the programs actually work to lift people out of poverty.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who thinks the poor have it good has never been poor.
ing lucky to be born in a country like that or be geographically close to a country like that to sneak into.Once the children are done eating, they are educated free of charge. If they cannot get to school, they are transported there free of charge. In other words, they will go to your house and get you. If you don't show up for class, they will go and try to find out where you are.
When the child gets sick, it will get treatment. In order to help parents provide that other meal of the day that the school does not provide, there is assistance available. They will even put it on an easy to use debit card for you.
Can't afford a cell phone? Subsidized plans are available for $2.50 a month. The phone is also free.
To pick up the phone, you'll need to take the bus, of which 70% of the cost to operate the bus (and 100% of the capital) is paid for by someone else. Even if you cannot afford the base fare of $1.00-$2.00, there are additional programs available to subsidize your transit pass even more.
While you probably do not have much income tax to pay, you will want to submit a tax return to get the Earned Income Tax Credit.
And if anybody ever tells you you're lucky to live in a nation like this, just call them a kook. Similarly, demonize anyone who might inquire about whether the programs actually work to lift people out of poverty.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who thinks the poor have it good has never been poor.
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[quote name='Msut77']Let me repeat myself.
Rightwing kooks will work towards denying healthcare for sick children, literally meaning children who could be saved will die. And at the same time expect the survivors to be thankful they don't have to worry about polio anymore.[/QUOTE]
Spokker believes in some mythical healthcare system that gives a shit about the health of children born to poor families.
It's too easy to pretend that the poor have it good because of a bunch of half-assed underfunded ineffectual programs.
Spokker if you would let your future progeny attend one of the schools in a poor district or rely on the healthcare "treatment" offered by the state then you really shouldn't have kids because you either 1) can't really afford them or 2) have noing sense of moral judgement.
If you're not going to have kids then let me be the first to applaud that - in your case it's the right way to go.
Rightwing kooks will work towards denying healthcare for sick children, literally meaning children who could be saved will die. And at the same time expect the survivors to be thankful they don't have to worry about polio anymore.[/QUOTE]
Spokker believes in some mythical healthcare system that gives a shit about the health of children born to poor families.
It's too easy to pretend that the poor have it good because of a bunch of half-assed underfunded ineffectual programs.
Spokker if you would let your future progeny attend one of the schools in a poor district or rely on the healthcare "treatment" offered by the state then you really shouldn't have kids because you either 1) can't really afford them or 2) have no
ing sense of moral judgement.If you're not going to have kids then let me be the first to applaud that - in your case it's the right way to go.
[quote name='camoor']Anyone who thinks the poor have it good has never been poor.[/QUOTE]
I never said that.
er in the third world has a right to come here, pop out a few children and sign up for their EBT. It's not a surprise they are ineffectual when all they do is institutionalize poverty.
California's Medi-Cal program costs over $30 billion a year to administer. How much more funding would make it not underfunded?
I never said that.
It's not a surprise they are underfunded when every mother
er in the third world has a right to come here, pop out a few children and sign up for their EBT. It's not a surprise they are ineffectual when all they do is institutionalize poverty.I went to a school in a district that spends $2,000 less per student than the shittiest school district in Oakland. Don't give me that shit about these poor districts that spend more per pupil and get worse results.Spokker if you would let your future progeny attend one of the schools in a poor district or rely on the healthcare "treatment" offered by the state then you really shouldn't have kids because you either 1) can't really afford them or 2) have no
California's Medi-Cal program costs over $30 billion a year to administer. How much more funding would make it not underfunded?
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[quote name='Spokker']I never said that.[/QUOTE]
Yep it boggles the mind. In everything you said camoor comes up with that response and reads that into what you said. Don't sweat it man it is his MO and it's not worth paying any attention much less losing any sleep.
Yep it boggles the mind. In everything you said camoor comes up with that response and reads that into what you said. Don't sweat it man it is his MO and it's not worth paying any attention much less losing any sleep.
[quote name='camoor']Spokker believes in some mythical healthcare system that gives a shit about the health of children born to poor families.
It's too easy to pretend that the poor have it good because of a bunch of half-assed underfunded ineffectual programs.
Spokker if you would let your future progeny attend one of the schools in a poor district or rely on the healthcare "treatment" offered by the state then you really shouldn't have kids because you either 1) can't really afford them or 2) have noing sense of moral judgement.
If you're not going to have kids then let me be the first to applaud that - in your case it's the right way to go.[/QUOTE]
They all have this reallt vile peasant mentality.
"The local lord raped my sister on her wedding night, I am happy because other lords do it once a fortnight".
And I know the exact response will be, namely "I don't want children to starve, I just support policies that just happen to make it so more children will starve".
They hardly ever come right out and say they are choosing their ideology over say providing healthcare to children but that is exactly what they mean.
It's too easy to pretend that the poor have it good because of a bunch of half-assed underfunded ineffectual programs.
Spokker if you would let your future progeny attend one of the schools in a poor district or rely on the healthcare "treatment" offered by the state then you really shouldn't have kids because you either 1) can't really afford them or 2) have no
ing sense of moral judgement.If you're not going to have kids then let me be the first to applaud that - in your case it's the right way to go.[/QUOTE]
They all have this reallt vile peasant mentality.
"The local lord raped my sister on her wedding night, I am happy because other lords do it once a fortnight".
And I know the exact response will be, namely "I don't want children to starve, I just support policies that just happen to make it so more children will starve".
They hardly ever come right out and say they are choosing their ideology over say providing healthcare to children but that is exactly what they mean.
[quote name='Msut77']
And I know the exact response will be, namely "I don't want children to starve, I just support policies that just happen to make it so more children will starve".[/QUOTE]Statistics on starvation in the United States are not well-recorded due to how infrequent it is. Deaths due to starvation are usually due to neglect or mental illness or both, and is not the result of being unable to afford food. A combination of government programs and private charities prevent starvation.
There are pockets of food insecurity but that's as far as the problem goes.
And I know the exact response will be, namely "I don't want children to starve, I just support policies that just happen to make it so more children will starve".[/QUOTE]Statistics on starvation in the United States are not well-recorded due to how infrequent it is. Deaths due to starvation are usually due to neglect or mental illness or both, and is not the result of being unable to afford food. A combination of government programs and private charities prevent starvation.
There are pockets of food insecurity but that's as far as the problem goes.
I never said don't provide health care to children. I'm pointing out that we have these programs and that we should be thankful for them and think of the people who work very hard to pay for them.
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[quote name='Msut77']They all have this reallt vile peasant mentality.
"The local lord raped my sister on her wedding night, I am happy because other lords do it once a fortnight".
And I know the exact response will be, namely "I don't want children to starve, I just support policies that just happen to make it so more children will starve".
They hardly ever come right out and say they are choosing their ideology over say providing healthcare to children but that is exactly what they mean.[/QUOTE]
Damn you nailed it man.
Spokker is proud because while the US maybe close to last or last when it comes to 1st world nations assisting the poor, at least we are better then many of the third world countries.
Spokker is proud because we make a big show out of sham programs that are either ineffectual (due to their BS ideological underpinnings) or underfunded.
Spokker - those programs are just bullshit to shortcut the conversation. All you've done is move the conversation from "Let them eat cake" to "Are there no union workhouses?"
Taking pride in these government services is taking pride in failure. And not "good ol' college try" "remember the alamo" failure - I'm talking calculated, deviously purposeful, morally abject failure. If you care about helping out your fellow man then you're being played like a sucker. If you don't care about those that are down on their luck or poverty stricken then you fail at life.
"The local lord raped my sister on her wedding night, I am happy because other lords do it once a fortnight".
And I know the exact response will be, namely "I don't want children to starve, I just support policies that just happen to make it so more children will starve".
They hardly ever come right out and say they are choosing their ideology over say providing healthcare to children but that is exactly what they mean.[/QUOTE]
Damn you nailed it man.
Spokker is proud because while the US maybe close to last or last when it comes to 1st world nations assisting the poor, at least we are better then many of the third world countries.
Spokker is proud because we make a big show out of sham programs that are either ineffectual (due to their BS ideological underpinnings) or underfunded.
Spokker - those programs are just bullshit to shortcut the conversation. All you've done is move the conversation from "Let them eat cake" to "Are there no union workhouses?"
Taking pride in these government services is taking pride in failure. And not "good ol' college try" "remember the alamo" failure - I'm talking calculated, deviously purposeful, morally abject failure. If you care about helping out your fellow man then you're being played like a sucker. If you don't care about those that are down on their luck or poverty stricken then you fail at life.
The real problem with regard to food for children living under the poverty is that they are too ing fat.
It's the old I have too many jobs to go to the store and buy my kids nutritious food and spinich is too expensive so they eat goddamn McDonald's all the time bullshit. Never mind that junk food is far more expensive than healthy food. They're just unfit parents which is why they are soing poor and no amount of assistance will help them, but we are supposed to believe their fat ass kids are starving in the gutter, which tugs on the heartstrings of Americans who support even more programs to feed their humongous and numerous children.
ing fat. It's the old I have too many jobs to go to the store and buy my kids nutritious food and spinich is too expensive so they eat goddamn McDonald's all the time bullshit. Never mind that junk food is far more expensive than healthy food. They're just unfit parents which is why they are so
ing poor and no amount of assistance will help them, but we are supposed to believe their fat ass kids are starving in the gutter, which tugs on the heartstrings of Americans who support even more programs to feed their humongous and numerous children.
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[quote name='Spokker']Every First Lady does some benign non-controversial nonsense that doesn't actually achieve anything. This is common knowledge.[/QUOTE]
The first lady's victory garden is about as relevant to the discussion as your inane links.
The first lady's victory garden is about as relevant to the discussion as your inane links.
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[quote name='Spokker']U.S. Department of Health? New York Times?[/QUOTE]
You posted them, don't you know your own sources.
I see it's from the weekend section opinion pages of NYT. The author is clearly an idiot, was it right above an article about what happened to the cast of the Dukes of Hazzard?
You posted them, don't you know your own sources.
I see it's from the weekend section opinion pages of NYT. The author is clearly an idiot, was it right above an article about what happened to the cast of the Dukes of Hazzard?
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I see it's from the weekend section opinion pages of NYT. The author is clearly an idiot[/QUOTE]
So it's cheaper to go to McDonald's every day than to purchase fresh and nutritious food?
I see it's from the weekend section opinion pages of NYT. The author is clearly an idiot[/QUOTE]
So it's cheaper to go to McDonald's every day than to purchase fresh and nutritious food?
Oh good, for a second there I was scared poverty stricken people don't have access to working appliances and the free time needed to devote to cooking all meals.
I'm also happy to find out that there's not a huge dosage of high fructose corn syrup in every goddamn thing in the supermarket.
I'm also ASTONISHED to find out it's a buck for a pound of chicken, and then to show a package that has easily 3-4 pounds of chicken, which SHOULD be 3-4 bucks by itself, and THEN find out you can buy a bag of carrots, four ears of corn, AND a loaf of bread for another 2 bucks, which I will tell you right now is BULLSHIT because I do all my own grocery shopping with my CAG sense in absolute full working order.
To say nothing of the time it takes to clean dishes, which means you need money for soap and sponges, running water that's heated, or access to a dish washer....
And that cooking food greatly reduces its health qualities...
And that non-organic foods are laced with pesticides and cost 2-3 times as much..
I mean really, that article, unless it is actually 1952 and "golly geepers" is still a current phrase spoken by humans when they read about what Woolworth's is going to have on special this Saturday down in the town square, in which case I need to find out just when and where I broke through the space time continuum.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to plan on what I'll do when I return to the year 2012, which is where I was this morning, so that I can prepare myself to watch a commercial paid for by the subsidized corn growers of America who tell me that HFCS is functionally no different from regular cane sugar "so long as you eat it in moderation," which is awesome, because otherwise I'd be worried if I found out that stuff was highly controlled and restricted to few food items.
I'm also happy to find out that there's not a huge dosage of high fructose corn syrup in every goddamn thing in the supermarket.
I'm also ASTONISHED to find out it's a buck for a pound of chicken, and then to show a package that has easily 3-4 pounds of chicken, which SHOULD be 3-4 bucks by itself, and THEN find out you can buy a bag of carrots, four ears of corn, AND a loaf of bread for another 2 bucks, which I will tell you right now is BULLSHIT because I do all my own grocery shopping with my CAG sense in absolute full working order.
To say nothing of the time it takes to clean dishes, which means you need money for soap and sponges, running water that's heated, or access to a dish washer....
And that cooking food greatly reduces its health qualities...
And that non-organic foods are laced with pesticides and cost 2-3 times as much..
I mean really,
that article, unless it is actually 1952 and "golly geepers" is still a current phrase spoken by humans when they read about what Woolworth's is going to have on special this Saturday down in the town square, in which case I need to find out just when and where I broke through the space time continuum.Now if you'll excuse me, I need to plan on what I'll do when I return to the year 2012, which is where I was this morning, so that I can prepare myself to watch a commercial paid for by the subsidized corn growers of America who tell me that HFCS is functionally no different from regular cane sugar "so long as you eat it in moderation," which is awesome, because otherwise I'd be worried if I found out that stuff was highly controlled and restricted to few food items.
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And that non-organic foods are laced with pesticides and cost 2-3 times as much..
[/QUOTE]
Sarcasm...right??
(the reference to cost)
And that non-organic foods are laced with pesticides and cost 2-3 times as much..
[/QUOTE]
Sarcasm...right??
(the reference to cost)
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[quote name='Strell']Oh good, for a second there I was scared poverty stricken people don't have access to working appliances and the free time needed to devote to cooking all meals.
I'm also happy to find out that there's not a huge dosage of high fructose corn syrup in every goddamn thing in the supermarket.
I'm also ASTONISHED to find out it's a buck for a pound of chicken, and then to show a package that has easily 3-4 pounds of chicken, which SHOULD be 3-4 bucks by itself, and THEN find out you can buy a bag of carrots, four ears of corn, AND a loaf of bread for another 2 bucks, which I will tell you right now is BULLSHIT because I do all my own grocery shopping with my CAG sense in absolute full working order.
To say nothing of the time it takes to clean dishes, which means you need money for soap and sponges, running water that's heated, or access to a dish washer....
And that cooking food greatly reduces its health qualities...
And that non-organic foods are laced with pesticides and cost 2-3 times as much..
I mean really, that article, unless it is actually 1952 and "golly geepers" is still a current phrase spoken by humans when they read about what Woolworth's is going to have on special this Saturday down in the town square, in which case I need to find out just when and where I broke through the space time continuum.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to plan on what I'll do when I return to the year 2012, which is where I was this morning, so that I can prepare myself to watch a commercial paid for by the subsidized corn growers of America who tell me that HFCS is functionally no different from regular cane sugar "so long as you eat it in moderation," which is awesome, because otherwise I'd be worried if I found out that stuff was highly controlled and restricted to few food items.[/QUOTE]
Plus add the cost of getting to the supermarket. Gas isn't cheap so many poor families try to do all their shopping once a month. Hence they buy less perishable foods and more packaged foods full of sugar and salt. If you live in the inner city then your food choices at the local convenience mart are even bleaker.
I'm also happy to find out that there's not a huge dosage of high fructose corn syrup in every goddamn thing in the supermarket.
I'm also ASTONISHED to find out it's a buck for a pound of chicken, and then to show a package that has easily 3-4 pounds of chicken, which SHOULD be 3-4 bucks by itself, and THEN find out you can buy a bag of carrots, four ears of corn, AND a loaf of bread for another 2 bucks, which I will tell you right now is BULLSHIT because I do all my own grocery shopping with my CAG sense in absolute full working order.
To say nothing of the time it takes to clean dishes, which means you need money for soap and sponges, running water that's heated, or access to a dish washer....
And that cooking food greatly reduces its health qualities...
And that non-organic foods are laced with pesticides and cost 2-3 times as much..
I mean really,
that article, unless it is actually 1952 and "golly geepers" is still a current phrase spoken by humans when they read about what Woolworth's is going to have on special this Saturday down in the town square, in which case I need to find out just when and where I broke through the space time continuum.Now if you'll excuse me, I need to plan on what I'll do when I return to the year 2012, which is where I was this morning, so that I can prepare myself to watch a commercial paid for by the subsidized corn growers of America who tell me that HFCS is functionally no different from regular cane sugar "so long as you eat it in moderation," which is awesome, because otherwise I'd be worried if I found out that stuff was highly controlled and restricted to few food items.[/QUOTE]
Plus add the cost of getting to the supermarket. Gas isn't cheap so many poor families try to do all their shopping once a month. Hence they buy less perishable foods and more packaged foods full of sugar and salt. If you live in the inner city then your food choices at the local convenience mart are even bleaker.
[quote name='camoor']Anyone who thinks the poor have it good has never been poor.[/QUOTE]
How do you define "having it good?" We should have minimum acceptable standards of living for every American, but some people seem to think that the poor need to live like the upper middle-class.
How do you define "having it good?" We should have minimum acceptable standards of living for every American, but some people seem to think that the poor need to live like the upper middle-class.
[quote name='chiwii']How do you define "having it good?" We should have minimum acceptable standards of living for every American, but some people seem to think that the poor need to live like the upper middle-class.[/QUOTE]
If camoor is going to define "good," you should define "upper middle-class." It's only fair.
If camoor is going to define "good," you should define "upper middle-class." It's only fair.
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[quote name='Clak']Sad that Carlin, a comedian, understood that, but so many others don't.[/QUOTE]
woah woah woah.
what you got against comedians fool?!
woah woah woah.
what you got against comedians fool?!
[quote name='Strell']Oh good, for a second there I was scared poverty stricken people don't have access to working appliances and the free time needed to devote to cooking all meals.
I'm also happy to find out that there's not a huge dosage of high fructose corn syrup in every goddamn thing in the supermarket.
I'm also ASTONISHED to find out it's a buck for a pound of chicken, and then to show a package that has easily 3-4 pounds of chicken, which SHOULD be 3-4 bucks by itself, and THEN find out you can buy a bag of carrots, four ears of corn, AND a loaf of bread for another 2 bucks, which I will tell you right now is BULLSHIT because I do all my own grocery shopping with my CAG sense in absolute full working order.
To say nothing of the time it takes to clean dishes, which means you need money for soap and sponges, running water that's heated, or access to a dish washer....
And that cooking food greatly reduces its health qualities...
And that non-organic foods are laced with pesticides and cost 2-3 times as much..
I mean really, that article, unless it is actually 1952 and "golly geepers" is still a current phrase spoken by humans when they read about what Woolworth's is going to have on special this Saturday down in the town square, in which case I need to find out just when and where I broke through the space time continuum.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to plan on what I'll do when I return to the year 2012, which is where I was this morning, so that I can prepare myself to watch a commercial paid for by the subsidized corn growers of America who tell me that HFCS is functionally no different from regular cane sugar "so long as you eat it in moderation," which is awesome, because otherwise I'd be worried if I found out that stuff was highly controlled and restricted to few food items.[/QUOTE]
I'm also happy to find out that there's not a huge dosage of high fructose corn syrup in every goddamn thing in the supermarket.
I'm also ASTONISHED to find out it's a buck for a pound of chicken, and then to show a package that has easily 3-4 pounds of chicken, which SHOULD be 3-4 bucks by itself, and THEN find out you can buy a bag of carrots, four ears of corn, AND a loaf of bread for another 2 bucks, which I will tell you right now is BULLSHIT because I do all my own grocery shopping with my CAG sense in absolute full working order.
To say nothing of the time it takes to clean dishes, which means you need money for soap and sponges, running water that's heated, or access to a dish washer....
And that cooking food greatly reduces its health qualities...
And that non-organic foods are laced with pesticides and cost 2-3 times as much..
I mean really,
that article, unless it is actually 1952 and "golly geepers" is still a current phrase spoken by humans when they read about what Woolworth's is going to have on special this Saturday down in the town square, in which case I need to find out just when and where I broke through the space time continuum.Now if you'll excuse me, I need to plan on what I'll do when I return to the year 2012, which is where I was this morning, so that I can prepare myself to watch a commercial paid for by the subsidized corn growers of America who tell me that HFCS is functionally no different from regular cane sugar "so long as you eat it in moderation," which is awesome, because otherwise I'd be worried if I found out that stuff was highly controlled and restricted to few food items.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='chiwii']How do you define "having it good?" We should have minimum acceptable standards of living for every American, but some people seem to think that the poor need to live like the upper middle-class.[/QUOTE]
Not me.
(Dohdough, IMO there is no need to entertain this clown until he comes to the table with something worthwhile)
Not me.
(Dohdough, IMO there is no need to entertain this clown until he comes to the table with something worthwhile)
[quote name='Spokker']pic of a stupid receipt with no context...[/QUOTE]
You know what that pic tells me? That person is bootstrapping their way out of a shitty situation.
[quote name='camoor']Not me.
(Dohdough, IMO there is no need to entertain this clown until he comes to the table with something worthwhile)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but I'm morbidly curious and chiwii doesn't JAQ-off all the time. I'm a sucker for good points no matter how seldom the come or who they come from.
You know what that pic tells me? That person is bootstrapping their way out of a shitty situation.
[quote name='camoor']Not me.
(Dohdough, IMO there is no need to entertain this clown until he comes to the table with something worthwhile)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but I'm morbidly curious and chiwii doesn't JAQ-off all the time. I'm a sucker for good points no matter how seldom the come or who they come from.
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[quote name='dohdough']You know what that pic tells me? That person is bootstrapping their way out of a shitty situation.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm waiting for the Brookings Institution to do an extensive study of receipts they find on the ground at Walmart.
Anyway, on the subject of the welfare state, I’ve been thinking a lot about my grandparents recently. I wonder if they would have gotten as far as they did had they been born in the modern era, where they would not be incentivized to work as hard as they did to get what they earned. When they were alive, I was too young to really appreciate who they were and what they did. I wish I could still ask them questions.
Anyway, on the subject of the welfare state, I’ve been thinking a lot about my grandparents recently. I wonder if they would have gotten as far as they did had they been born in the modern era, where they would not be incentivized to work as hard as they did to get what they earned. When they were alive, I was too young to really appreciate who they were and what they did. I wish I could still ask them questions.
[quote name='Spokker']Well, I'm waiting for the Brookings Institution to do an extensive study of receipts they find on the ground at Walmart.[/quote]
You're the one that posted it to make a point, so make it. Or do you really think that person is going to eat or feed their family 100 candy bars for the month.
You're the one that posted it to make a point, so make it. Or do you really think that person is going to eat or feed their family 100 candy bars for the month.
A thought experiment...how typically libertarian of you. It's almost as if people don't work as hard today as you allege your grandparents did. Not to mention that what you're positing is really degrading to them. I guess that's irrelevant when you're making an ideological argument. Congrats.
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[quote name='Spokker']They don't when you institutionalize poverty.[/QUOTE]
How does this work in your mind? Do you think rich kids grow up and fantasize about living off of ketchup soup and govt cheese? Do you think poor kids look at that shit and the grind that their parents go through and say 'I want that'
If your goal is to make life miserable for poor people then congrats - the reality is that your side has succeeded beyond your wildest dreams.
How does this work in your mind? Do you think rich kids grow up and fantasize about living off of ketchup soup and govt cheese? Do you think poor kids look at that shit and the grind that their parents go through and say 'I want that'
If your goal is to make life miserable for poor people then congrats - the reality is that your side has succeeded beyond your wildest dreams.
[quote name='camoor']Not me.
(Dohdough, IMO there is no need to entertain this clown until he comes to the table with something worthwhile)[/QUOTE]
Why was that necessary? I didn't think that your post about the poor having it good was all that enlightening. Maybe I should have just declared that you're a clown instead of trying to get some clarifcation on where you stand.
(Dohdough, IMO there is no need to entertain this clown until he comes to the table with something worthwhile)[/QUOTE]
Why was that necessary? I didn't think that your post about the poor having it good was all that enlightening. Maybe I should have just declared that you're a clown instead of trying to get some clarifcation on where you stand.
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[quote name='chiwii']Why was that necessary? I didn't think that your post about the poor having it good was all that enlightening. Maybe I should have just declared that you're a clown instead of trying to get some clarifcation on where you stand.[/QUOTE]
Maybe next time you'll explain why instead of coming up with lame strawmen.
Maybe next time you'll explain why instead of coming up with lame strawmen.
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[quote name='camoor']How does this work in your mind? Do you think rich kids grow up and fantasize about living off of ketchup soup and govt cheese? Do you think poor kids look at that shit and the grind that their parents go through and say 'I want that'[/quote]People respond to incentives, no matter how much you wish this to not be so.
"My side" believes that a social safety net is a critical component of a well-rounded society, but that cradle-to-grave entitlements kill the spirit to succeed. The person who dropped the Walmart receipt may purchase $100 worth of chocolate with his EBT card in order to sell it on the train, but the entitlement will never help him get him off the train or in front of the same Walmart. He's there forever, selling candy purchased with your tax dollars. He will never become the candy maker. He will never invent a new candy. He will never manage the candy factory, unless government gets out of the way.
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[quote name='Spokker']The real problem with regard to food for children living under the poverty is that they are too ing fat.
It's the old I have too many jobs to go to the store and buy my kids nutritious food and spinich is too expensive so they eat goddamn McDonald's all the time bullshit. Never mind that junk food is far more expensive than healthy food. They're just unfit parents which is why they are soing poor and no amount of assistance will help them, but we are supposed to believe their fat ass kids are starving in the gutter, which tugs on the heartstrings of Americans who support even more programs to feed their humongous and numerous children.[/QUOTE]
I don't know any poor people who "eat McDonald's all the time." If you can afford to eat all of your meals at McDonald's, then you're not poor.
Poor is when your decision-making process in purchasing food primarily revolves around obtaining the most calories for the lowest price, spending as little as possible (in hopes of being able to pay rent/utilities/whatever) without starving to death. Naturally, the highest calorie-to-dollar ratios come from the least-healthy foods. A bag of store-brand chips? Get over half of your daily calorie in-take for $2. A meal at McDonald's? Get the same number of calories for $6 or $7. While you may find a healthy meal with the same calorie count for under $6-7, you won't find it for under $2.
And that's why your claim...
You speak of entitlement, but it sounds to me like your parents have handed you so much that you automatically assume that the opportunities you've been handed are available to everyone else.
ing fat. It's the old I have too many jobs to go to the store and buy my kids nutritious food and spinich is too expensive so they eat goddamn McDonald's all the time bullshit. Never mind that junk food is far more expensive than healthy food. They're just unfit parents which is why they are so
ing poor and no amount of assistance will help them, but we are supposed to believe their fat ass kids are starving in the gutter, which tugs on the heartstrings of Americans who support even more programs to feed their humongous and numerous children.[/QUOTE]I don't know any poor people who "eat McDonald's all the time." If you can afford to eat all of your meals at McDonald's, then you're not poor.
Poor is when your decision-making process in purchasing food primarily revolves around obtaining the most calories for the lowest price, spending as little as possible (in hopes of being able to pay rent/utilities/whatever) without starving to death. Naturally, the highest calorie-to-dollar ratios come from the least-healthy foods. A bag of store-brand chips? Get over half of your daily calorie in-take for $2. A meal at McDonald's? Get the same number of calories for $6 or $7. While you may find a healthy meal with the same calorie count for under $6-7, you won't find it for under $2.
And that's why your claim...
... is entirely false.
You speak of entitlement, but it sounds to me like your parents have handed you so much that you automatically assume that the opportunities you've been handed are available to everyone else.
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[quote name='dohdough']
A thought experiment...how typically libertarian of you. It's almost as if people don't work as hard today as you allege your grandparents did. Not to mention that what you're positing is really degrading to them. I guess that's irrelevant when you're making an ideological argument. Congrats.[/QUOTE]
You forgot to point out that Spokker's grandparents were likely part of the generation that gave rise to welfare in America in the first place...
A thought experiment...how typically libertarian of you. It's almost as if people don't work as hard today as you allege your grandparents did. Not to mention that what you're positing is really degrading to them. I guess that's irrelevant when you're making an ideological argument. Congrats.[/QUOTE]
You forgot to point out that Spokker's grandparents were likely part of the generation that gave rise to welfare in America in the first place...
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