I think most people hate the $250 not because of the cost itself but...

I'm disappointed by Nintendo's new marketing to the masses, but outpricing the new market they are seeking. I was hoping for the $200 price point with everything now included plus an additional remote and nunchuck. I don't think I'm being cheap. I feel like Nintendo mislead me into thinking it was going to be a tremendous value, and right now I don't think it is. So, I'm not sure if I'll buy a Wii right away or wait and finish all the gamecube games I have stacked up. Than I'll decide if the Wii or a Xbox360 is the better value for my time and money.

One positive I see is that instead of paying for a service like Xbox Live (is it a $50 dollar value a year?) ; You get a free wireless gaming connection (like DS). That is definately a good feature Nintendo needs to address more to the ordinary people they are trying to convince to buy the Wii.
 
Has Nintendo announced if you have to use the classic controller for VC games and the new Smash Brothers, or can we use our gamecube controllers?
 
[quote name='jbuck138']I'm disappointed by Nintendo's new marketing to the masses, but outpricing the new market they are seeking. I was hoping for the $200 price point with everything now included plus an additional remote and nunchuck. I don't think I'm being cheap. I feel like Nintendo mislead me into thinking it was going to be a tremendous value, and right now I don't think it is. So, I'm not sure if I'll buy a Wii right away or wait and finish all the gamecube games I have stacked up. Than I'll decide if the Wii or a Xbox360 is the better value for my time and money.

One positive I see is that instead of paying for a service like Xbox Live (is it a $50 dollar value a year?) ; You get a free wireless gaming connection (like DS). That is definately a good feature Nintendo needs to address more to the ordinary people they are trying to convince to buy the Wii.[/QUOTE]

The only part about Live that isn't free is multiplayer and it would seem that, right now, online multiplayer doesn't seem to be a big concern of theirs.
 
Okay, okay. I know, different markets, but hear me out on this.

Nintendo has, in case you haven't noticed, been playing alot off of Apple's stradegy as of late. The iPod, a piece of technology right? There were MP3 players out before the iPod, but really, those were mainly the domain of tech heads. iPod's really started to jump off shelves when the iPod mini hit. At least, that's when I noticed them getting popular.

Whoa. THOSE were expensive. And all it did was play music. In a small, easy to use device.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod

$249 for a 4gb model!? What? But people still bought them. Hell, people buy iPods regardless of model. And they are pretty high-priced items. Considering what they do.

Now, I'm not saying that Wii will have the same effect, but I think that if Nintendo can convince people that they need this product, 250 bones won't matter that much to them.

Anyway, just a thought to people who think that Nintendo is going against its "casual market" technique with this price.
 
Isn't there a good chance for a 100 dollar price drop on the premium Xbox360? this christmas?

Nintendo is going to get hammered if this is the case.
 
To Baker...its just not possible cause Music is soooooooo much different than video games. EVERYONE IN THE WORLD listens to music, any type of person, video games...not so much. I doubt they can ever convince EVERYONE to like video games like the Wii...
 
[quote name='Gameboy415']
You're getting a new console, a controller (which apparently costs $60 alone), and a GAME! When's the last time we had a pack-in game with a home console? Saturn?[/QUOTE]
Xbox, PS2, and GC all have bundled game/systems. GC had a shit-ton.
 
[quote name='zewone']Xbox, PS2, and GC all have bundled game/systems. GC had a shit-ton.[/QUOTE]

Oh come on. Not at launch which is the obvious inclination here.

Bitch. :p
 
A lot of people may be upset at the fact that Sony and Microsoft are selling their systems at big losses, where as Nintendo is actually bragging about making a profit on the Wii.
 
i think if they had two complete controllers and Wii Sports myself and everyone else would be fine with it. It supposed to be the system of the masses but making an extra 50 takes it from some people's secondary or purchase on a whim to a serious buy. If you factor in another game and a second complete controller, plus a SD card and tax your looking at 400 bucks. This is not something people just throw on a whim.

Ohh and you can even play boxing without the combo controller, so to have 2 player boxing on a game that comes with the system u are spending another 60 no matter what.

I am still gettin the system, but if it wasnt for zelda comin out for it, i would prob hold off till Smash or Mario came out. I just think they wasted all this good hype that they had. Could it really have hurt them to take a less than 50 dollar loss on the system. They make more money off of software anyway, is it such a bad move. Reggie said they are making cash off of the 250 bundle, do they really need to squeeze every penny out of us?

Ohh and with tax in my area the cost of a Wii comes to 264.98 which is a lil more than 250
 
I found out in Canada it will be 275 bucks, with tax I'd say around 310 or 315 or so...thats actually really similar to the gamecube, plus a game comes with it yet. Or was it not I forget...my parents kinda bought it for me. Anyway I'll probably wait awhile...I want to see which Zelda is better first of all anyway, so I'll be waiting till then for sure.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']I can't wait until Wii launches in Japan, and sells more units in 5 minutes than the 360 in a year.[/QUOTE]

Oh? You own stock in Nintendo? Perhaps you work for the company? Maybe you know someone from the company?

Or, is it just your inner fanboy?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I know this one isn't gonna go well but I feel like my $250 PSP purchase was a better deal for my money than the Wii. Although, at that time I didn't own a next gen handheld whereas right now I own a next gen console already. The DS was a great secondary handheld because it only cost $130, if it was more, I probably would have skipped it.

At $200 the Wii would have made an excellent secondary console. At $250? I think I'll just be throwing that $200 into 360 games. I have a strong feeling that I'm not alone in this feeling.[/QUOTE]


I agree with this post.


I probably wasnt going to get a wii at 250.. but at 200 then it would be something i would consider buying (im already getting a ps3)

Now i can easily throw my money into more ps3 games.
Thanks Nintendo!


I still think its going to be a major console war when the 360 finally drops in price. This will be the closest war we;ve had in a long time.

will be fun
 
[quote name='Strell']Few things.

1) Nintendo said they'd sell at a slight loss. I think 20-30 a console would have been that, which would have been a $230 pricetag. They said this not 2 months ago. Reggie just droppen zal bomben that it will be profitable out of the box.

2) Everyone heard and expected language pointing to a $200 price tag. Iwata himself said "look at the history of our console launches." It worked all the way back to the SNES (not sure about NES).

3) They continually talked about how "It's not as powerful, so it will be more cost efficient to manufacture and develop."

4) It's built on an extension of the GC's innards. That should have cut down R&D pricing.

5) The price puts it dangerously close to a competiting product (Core 360) despite the fact that it has some hardware features comparable to the Premium pack.

6) Reggie said it would be under $250. We acknowledged 249.99 is < 250, but for most of the reasons stated above, it looked like a lower price.

All of these things sort of piss off any N fan because they all point to a lower cost console, and $250 seems high.

RvB, you can't say "the PSP has more value" until you've played and tried the Wii. You're talking like you can honestly compare them when you own one but not the other. That seems a little unfair, don't you think? I'm just askin'.[/quote]

Exactly. I feel we've been led to believe the Wii would retail below $250, not by a penny but by at least $30-$50. And while it's not that much money, it's still feels like we're getting ripped since they've gone back on their word.

That coupled with no DVD support like they previously stated the Wii would have and no HD makes the system somewhat less desirable than before.

Had Nintendo never made mention of a lower-than-$250 price, I don't think we'd care all that much.

However, like you said, the Wii is now pretty close to an Xbox Core, and Microsoft could even announce a price drop between now and then to make them even. How much that would hurt Wii sales, I don't know, but I doubt it would be good for Nintendo.

Honestly, it seems Microsoft is the most ready to take over the top spot this generation. They have their stuff together, while it seems Sony and Nintendo have been flip flopping quite a bit.
 
One thing I remember from the N64 release was that it was originally priced at $250. Then just before it hit, they moved it down to $200. (I hope that was right, maybe my memory is bad.)

Maybe they could do the samething this time around? Seeing if the 360 core would drop to $250?
 
I basically agree with the OP. It appears that Nintendo may have gotten a bit greedy this time around, promising a price under $250 and barely delivering. To me it seems deceptive to make such a claim and bring the system out @ $249.99. I'd be more comfortable with the price if it included another Wiimote + Nunchaku attachment, or maybe with a price of $199.99 including 2 controllers and no pack-in game. I see Wii sports as being similar to a budget title, just slightly deeper than a tech demo, with little long-term appeal.
 
[quote name='Rig']I guess I'm one of the few people that isn't upset on the $250 price. I just don't see what the big deal is. And by no means do I have lots of money to throw around; I'm a college guy with no current job. But I'm not "OMG CANCELING PREORDER!" over $50.

I will say those controllers are pricey, but that's fine with me. The last few consoles I've purchased (Xbox, GC, PS2) I only got the stock controller, and friends wanting to play the system bought their own controllers. :lol: Then, I acquired more controllers when I found them used or very cheap! The Wii will be no different for me.[/quote]:applause: same here.
 
$250 is a shocker but on top of that it is going to cost over $100 just to make it a "W'ii"' without buying any other games besides the pack-in. ($40+$20+$20?+$20? ?How much are the classic controllers going to be?) Thus making Wii the multiplayer goodness that it is meant to be.

$350 is high IMHO for what it is. I was expecting $200 with two Wiimotes with nunchucks and maybe a classic ontroller. Also I am dissapointed in the VC prices, $5 for SMB3 ok, $5 for Star Force?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Oh? You own stock in Nintendo? Perhaps you work for the company? Maybe you know someone from the company?

Or, is it just your inner fanboy?[/QUOTE]

Or maybe the 360 is still being outsold by the Gamecube and it's a statement of reality.

[quote name='vitaminbmeister']You know, I was going to post something, but it seems like everyone on CAG is an asshole these days, so I won't bother.[/QUOTE]

Nah, it's fun. Sony and Microsoft fanboys finally have some legitimate beef to pick with the Wii. I honestly would have been bored for the next few months if the Wii launched for $200 with two Wiimotes and Wii Sports (how's that for hillariously untrue fanboy spin?).

I'm enjoying the fact that Sony fanboys have forgotten that I'll have five Wii games and a shit ton of points just as they've bought the gimped version of the PS3, and that half of the first party 360 games are way too "kiddie" for me.
 
I'm pretty sure they packed in Wii Sports because they felt bad about the pricing. You are getting what many consider a must-have wii title with the system out of the box. That was originally going to cost $50 seperatly. I can justify it like this

Wii system Wii Sports
$200 + $50

That makes sense to me becuase I wanted WS in the first place.
 
[quote name='jbuck138']Has Nintendo announced if you have to use the classic controller for VC games and the new Smash Brothers, or can we use our gamecube controllers?[/QUOTE]

I'm fairly certain they've said it will work with gamecube controllers, I think the VC controller is basicly just a diffrently shaped cube controller, right?
 
[quote name='SpookyD']I'm fairly certain they've said it will work with gamecube controllers, I think the VC controller is basicly just a diffrently shaped cube controller, right?[/QUOTE]

For the most part yes. I really hope that a Wii retro controller is compatible with the actual Gamecube (not just the backwards compatability of the Wii). I absolutely love the design of the retro controller and would love to play some GBA games with it.
 
The problem is that people are trying to equate Nintendo with some longtime buddy who should cut them a break. They're a company and just as ruthless and profit-hungry as every other one. I may love me some 'Tendo games and the current corporate icons, but I'm not stupid enough to think that the compnay gives two shits about me personally. Just because Mario is an innocuous mascot doesn't mean the entity that created him is as well. Just look at Walt Disney.

On that note, yeah, $250 is higher than my prefered price, but let's be realistic here; I don't know jack shit about Nintendo's cost, and neither does anyone else here. Just because it's running on architecture based on the GC doesn't mean that its costs are inherently cheap to the point where they can price the console at some bargain basement deal, especially with the type of controller they're using. Personally, I would've liked for it to be $150 with two complete wiimotes, Wii sports, 10 free downloads, and for it to be avaliable in all the colors in the visible light spectrum, but I'd also like the PS3 to be $200 and the 360 to be $175.
From what's been said it seems Nintendo doesn't take losses on consoles. Maybe they could charge a little less and still make a small profit, but why would they? Profit at $250> Profit $199, and that's the only explanation needed whether we like it or not.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']
[quote name='iufoltzie'] If Nintendo does sell out before New Years, they would be well on their way to overtaking the 360 in terms of sales.[/QUOTE]

Yep, if somehow MS sells zero 360's between now and New Years.[/QUOTE]

The key phrase is, "Well on their way". It took almost a year to sell 5 million 360s I was musing that Nintendo would be on target to overtake them if they sold that many in 2 months.

Pay attention ;)
 
Well, they're throwing in Wii sports so it's not like it's bare bones. $250 is a little more than expected but not unreasonable since the system will have virtual console ability. I suppose I'll might bite if my new ebay business is moderatly successful. It'll be kind of interesting to see how this plays out. Too bad Zelda isn't a pack in.
 
[quote name='fraggedbylaggers']I'm pretty sure they packed in Wii Sports because they felt bad about the pricing. You are getting what many consider a must-have wii title with the system out of the box. That was originally going to cost $50 seperatly. I can justify it like this

Wii system Wii Sports
$200 + $50

That makes sense to me becuase I wanted WS in the first place.[/quote]


QFT
 
No you QFT!!! I am entitled to my opinion. You shouldnt be an ass just because you don't agree. All I was saying was that I had INTENDED on spending $50 on Wii Sports and $200 on the Wii system. The anouncement that the Wii is $250 changes NOTHING for me because I had planned on spending $250 for all of it in the first place!
 
[quote name='fraggedbylaggers']No you QFT!!! I am entitled to my opinion. You shouldnt be an ass just because you don't agree. All I was saying was that I had INTENDED on spending $50 on Wii Sports and $200 on the Wii system. The anouncement that the Wii is $250 changes NOTHING for me because I had planned on spending $250 for all of it in the first place![/quote]
He was agreeing with you. ;)
 
[quote name='derder']hahahahahahhaha, that is the stupidest shit i've ever heard.

How can you adapt to a new price?[/QUOTE]

Easy. I hated the price at first, but now that component cables will be included, the price isn't so bad. I adapted.

Anyway I think most hate it because Japan gets the console only for $212 and here we are forced into a game purchse we may not want... (sounds familiar... cough Blu-ray...cough Sony)

That $40 difference is a big deal when I could be picking up an extra third party title instead of WiiSports. I would think that is what Nintendo would want, people supporting the third parties right out of the gate. So right now most people will be buying 1 less game because of the price.

If Nintendo was dead set on only including 1 controller they should have bundled WiiSports with the Wiimote/Nunchuck and sold it as a combo deal instead of packing it in with the console, since WiiSports and one controller is pointless.
 
[quote name='fraggedbylaggers']No you QFT!!! I am entitled to my opinion. You shouldnt be an ass just because you don't agree. All I was saying was that I had INTENDED on spending $50 on Wii Sports and $200 on the Wii system. The anouncement that the Wii is $250 changes NOTHING for me because I had planned on spending $250 for all of it in the first place![/quote]

Dude, QFT means "quoted for truth." He was agreeing with your post, not flaming you. A lot of people think QFT means "quit fucking talking" but it doesn't, not here anyway.

Back OT. We should all be pissed at Sony for releasing the PS3 at $500/$600. That is the why the Wii is $250 and not $200. With Sony's price being so outrageously high, it allows Ninty to cheat up the price a little more than was expected, but not out of line of what they promised.
 
[quote name='furyk']For the most part yes. I really hope that a Wii retro controller is compatible with the actual Gamecube (not just the backwards compatability of the Wii). I absolutely love the design of the retro controller and would love to play some GBA games with it.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, it plug into the Wiimote. So wireless (sorta), but not compatible on the cube.

Cube controllers can still be used with Cube games, and presumably, VC games (haven't heard one way or another on that). The Hori digital pad is a good potion for GBP action though.

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http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/HGC-11/12.html
 
[quote name='Corvin']Easy. I hated the price at first, but now that component cables will be included, the price isn't so bad. I adapted.[/QUOTE]
Whoa! Where was that mentioned? I missed that totally.
 
[quote name='daroga']Whoa! Where was that mentioned? I missed that totally.[/QUOTE]

Hell I don't remember. :lol:I've read so many sites and forums in the past 24 hours it is insane. But it was stated that the Wii will have a cable similar to the 360 that has both composite and component wrapped up in one.
 
[quote name='fraggedbylaggers']No you QFT!!! I am entitled to my opinion. You shouldnt be an ass just because you don't agree. All I was saying was that I had INTENDED on spending $50 on Wii Sports and $200 on the Wii system. The anouncement that the Wii is $250 changes NOTHING for me because I had planned on spending $250 for all of it in the first place![/QUOTE]

Ahahahahahahaha. Thank you for making my day :)
 
[quote name='Corvin']Hell I don't remember. :lol:I've read so many sites and forums in the past 24 hours it is insane. But it was stated that the Wii will have a cable similar to the 360 that has both composite and component wrapped up in one.[/QUOTE]

I read from gonintendo about component cable also.. not that I would know too much about it, or care ;)
 
CNet asked a Nintendo rep at the conference what the A/V cables were, and they were told it's the composite/component cable like what the 360 has.
 
[quote name='racthamp']I read from gonintendo about component cable also.. not that I would know too much about it, or care ;)[/QUOTE]
http://gonintendo.com/?p=5608

Sweet, hope that's the case. I've already got an email into Nintendo about it from this morning. I'm sure they're FLOODED with things, but if I get a responce, I'll post it.
 
[quote name='fraggedbylaggers']No you QFT!!! I am entitled to my opinion. You shouldnt be an ass just because you don't agree. All I was saying was that I had INTENDED on spending $50 on Wii Sports and $200 on the Wii system. The anouncement that the Wii is $250 changes NOTHING for me because I had planned on spending $250 for all of it in the first place![/QUOTE]
:rofl:

You really made my day. I was depressed about some stupid stuff in school, but now I'm happy again.

Thanks :)
 
Well, I would have paid $399 for the WII if that is what they released it at. Compare the DS and the PSP. PSP is in the technical sense a far superiors system. Is it more fun to play? NOT EVEN CLOSE. DS blows it out of the water. Why? Originality.

This is going to be the same way with the PS3 or the XBOX 360. I can't guarantee it but i would be willing to bet quite a bit of money on it.
 
its not originality, it is the games....and for the most part, very few games that I own on the ds that I have loved, didn't really utilize the system.
 
[quote name='icecubedx5']They wanted to believe that Nintendo "cared about the gamers" or because they felt that Nintendo was on the "road to greatness" by releasing it cheap. I see some posts about how the $250 is expensive, but don't people realize that PSP launched for $250 as a bundle and people NEVER ONCE complained about the price?

Its almost as if Nintendo fans are "hurt" by the $250 tag, not by their wallets, but by their hearts like it was some personal betrayal or something.[/QUOTE]

This is exactly why I'm pissed. Though $50 is a good chunk of change I'm just disappointed at how Nintendo is approaching this launch. They basically are doing what SONY has done. Sure we knew that the system was going to be $199-249, but it is the other BS Nintendo layed on that I'm upset about. They've mentioned over and over about hitting new markets in respects to different gamers, yet they deprive users of 2 controllers at launch and push a $40 game on us for $50. Like many I was crossing my fingers for a sub $249 launch and I was disappointed. The money is nothing it's the misrepresentation of a company that I thought was about gamers.


[quote name='RedvsBlue']At $200 the Wii would have made an excellent secondary console. At $250? I think I'll just be throwing that $200 into 360 games. I have a strong feeling that I'm not alone in this feeling.[/QUOTE]

Probably be doing the same and might even put it towards PS3 games.
 
[quote name='botticus']CNet asked a Nintendo rep at the conference what the A/V cables were, and they were told it's the composite/component cable like what the 360 has.[/quote]

That is awesome. Looks like I'll be moving my DVD player to S-video. Having an older HDTV with only 2 component inputs sucks :cry:
 
This isn't too far out-of-line with Nintendo's strategy now that I think about it some more. They're pitching the whole "Playing=believing" to sell their console, which I think is the right way to go.

John Q. Nongamer won't just go to Best Buy, randomly walk by the Wii box, and then impulsively buy it. Not at $250, not at $200. Getting somebody who doesn't play videogames to just up and buy a console isn't a realistic goal.

Here's their goal. They want current gamers to show the Wii to their non-gamer friends and families. They want you to buy the console and have all of your relatives and friends play Wii Sports, and they're hoping that they enjoy it enough to then go out to BB and buy one. This is evidenced by the secret Wii parties that they're throwing. One might ask, why didn't they just set up a huge convention like the old Cube Club, so that everyone could just come and play? The reason is that only the hardcore gamers would go to such an event, and they would only be pitching the system to people who were planning on buying it anyway. By forcing Wii Ambassadors to select 30 of their friends to play the Wii, they're hoping that a few of those 30 will be parents/relatives/non-gamers, and they're hoping to sell THEM on it.

They don't need to win us over. Most of us have already made our decision one way or the other, and people that have decided not to buy it because of the price will probably buy one eventually. They're trying to get that person to buy one that wouldn't have bought one ever, regardless of launch price.

I think they're depending on us to convert people, and they're providing the tools for the job.
 
I think most people hate the $250 not because of the cost itself but...
They wanted to believe that Nintendo "cared about the gamers"
Click to expand...

Are you stupid? Nintendo is just a company. This is why fanboys piss me off
 
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