If Obama and McCain..

Tough choice, honestly I'd have to wait until after I'd watched a couple debates.

edit: Oh and running mates would be important. Considering McCain's age I don't want that fucker dieing and sticking up with some Jesus freak like Huckabee.
 
Well McCain gives me about 50-75% of what I believe in.

Obama, the new age son-of-a-hippie socialist, gives me 0-10%.

Clinton 10-20%.

It's an easy choice: McCain>Clinton>Obama
 
Even though I'm left leaning, I'll sadly say McCain. We're suppose to vote for our next commander in chief, not American idol.
 
McCain, I will not have Obama's death on my [FONT=&quot]conscious and you just know if he's elected some racist bastard will do it
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McCain is an incredible douche and I'm a democrat. Obama. I would vote for Hillary over McCain if necessary, but I'd be wearing a gas mask, not simply holding my nose.
 
Obama.

[quote name='sweeetja713']McCain, I will not have Obama's death on my [FONT=&quot]conscious and you just know if he's elected some racist bastard will do it[/FONT]
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Which is why Al Sharpton would be VP.
 
Obama, already voted for him in the primary and made a small donation to his campaign.

I'd vote for Hillary over McCain as well. I didn't have too much problem with him back in 2000, but his war mongering talk about Iran and him talking to the religious right whom he ignored in 2000 (stick to your principles man!) has me pretty against him this time.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Mcain, Clinton, Obama? No Thanks.

Ill write in Ron Paul.

This is funny on the onion:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/child_bankrupts_make_a_wish_0[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to be able to convince you to vote for Obama - but let me at least say that, as someone who voted for Nader/LaDuke in 2000, the "principled vote that's merely symbolic but stands no chance in hell of actually doing anything" left me feeling more empty than damn near anything I've done in my life.

If you go through with your vote for Paul, I hope you don't end up like that. Not so much a feeling that I wasted my vote or that I regretted it, but more a feeling of "what the hell was I thinking?"
 
I can't decide to be honest. The choices are a hell of a lot better than Kerry and Bush....that's for sure.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I can't decide to be honest. The choices are a hell of a lot better than Kerry and Bush....that's for sure.[/quote]


Truth.

I don't owe my soul to either democrats or republicans so I could see myself voting for either Obama or McCain. Hilary though? I'd vote Jack Thompson before I vote that shrew in for anything. She is almost coming off as a bigger jackass than John Kerry IMO. Obama has great charisma which is IMO an underrated quality in a leader. Whether you liked him or not, it was Bill Clinton's greatest strength and something his wife has a total absence of.
 
I like Hillary right now... she sounds like me while mocking Obama with her sarcastic renditions of his hope and change speeches (and arguably leaking pics of Obama in a Somalian Warlord outfit).

Good times. Hillary must be really pissed right now. I can't wait until she throws the kitchen sink at Obama.
 
[quote name='looploop']what're your beefs with Hillary in particular, Guile?[/QUOTE]

To give my opinion, I don't have huge issues with her and would vote for her if she beats Obama.

My main beef is that we've had literally 20 years of Bushes and Clintons in the White House, and I'd like to see some new blood in there.

Policy wise, the only thing I don't like is her health care plan, it's a little too universal for me. I prefer Obama's ideas regarding making it affordable for everyone and only requiring it for children.

Make it universal and you have long waits like in Canada, and I just don't like the notion of forcing adults to buy coverage (or giving it to them) beyond children who need coverage and have no choice in the matter (i.e. they can't get a job and by their own).

Make it affordable, and give people the choice whether to buy it for themselves, while requring them to buy it for their children. That I can sign on to.
 
She seriously needs to stop smiling at every god damn thing. I get it that she's trying to seem warm, but you'd think she'd been hit with laughing gas or something.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']She seriously needs to stop smiling at every god damn thing. I get it that she's trying to seem warm, but you'd think she'd been hit with laughing gas or something.[/quote]

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case in point?;)
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
Make it universal and you have long waits like in Canada...[/quote]... or you learn from our mistakes (as we are glacier-slowly doing) and develop a better system.

But, y'know, nobody would ever vote for that.
 
McCain > Hillary > Nader > Write in my name > Obama

Hillary is a ball busting cutthroat New York broad as opposed to a hippy that Barack "Lets all give everyone a hug" Obama. I would rather waste a vote on myself than vote for Obama because I want someone who is willing to pull out all the dirty tactics to win. Thats a sign of a dedicated leader. Albeit not a great leader but still better than a socialistic leader. The only way I can see myself not voting for McCain is if Huckleberry is the VP. Last thing I want is a bible thumping televangelist to gain power.

So until we get running mates I truly cannot say. If it was Hillary/Edwards against McCain/Huckleberry then I'll truly consider crossing over. But McCain/Paul... we got ourselves a winner.
 
I'd vote for anyone before McCain/Paul (blech :barf:)/Huckabee/Romney....pretty much anyone the republicans have put out this year. Also, Obama is my choice. In the end, if I had absolutely no choice or no one I really liked, then I could also see myself voting for Hillary, but like guile said, she's combative, a shrew, abrasive, should use her face as a corporate billboard for all the lobbyists that own her, etc.
 
This year, instead of having to choose between the evil of two lessers, I actaully am happy with the candidates, really like all of em, and feel like I don't have to choose between a douchebage and a turd sandwhich.

It makes me happy. I feel....represented!
 
[quote name='The Crotch']... or you learn from our mistakes (as we are glacier-slowly doing) and develop a better system.

But, y'know, nobody would ever vote for that.[/QUOTE]

True. But that's why I had the other part about not liking forcing adults to pay for coverage for themselves. That's just a bit too much for me, as is giving free coverage to all adults if anyone took it to that extreme.

Non-disabled adults have to fend for themselves and should have the option not to pay for coverage if they like--so having a system of making health care more affordable for adults who want it, while requiring them to cover their kids who have no way to earn money to buy their own coverage fits my beliefs best.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm not going to be able to convince you to vote for Obama - but let me at least say that, as someone who voted for Nader/LaDuke in 2000, the "principled vote that's merely symbolic but stands no chance in hell of actually doing anything" left me feeling more empty than damn near anything I've done in my life.

If you go through with your vote for Paul, I hope you don't end up like that. Not so much a feeling that I wasted my vote or that I regretted it, but more a feeling of "what the hell was I thinking?"[/quote]

I will gladly vote for Obama before McCain. I have thought about the "symbolic" vote and I think that it really isn't even symbolic since the numbers will be far to small to even be considered a statement.

Worse comes to worse, Obama and Hillary would both get my vote over McCain. Can't stand the guy and if he ends up being the repub nom. he is going to get smashed. How he came from basically being dead in the water to being the nominee is beyond my grasp. If it was a year ago and you had told me McCain would be the nominee I would have said your full of s==t. It baffles me how he is where he is now.
 
You used to post in the vs forums quite often, didn't you? Are you/were you a self-identified "conservative"? Or do I have you confused for someone else?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You used to post in the vs forums quite often, didn't you? Are you/were you a self-identified "conservative"? Or do I have you confused for someone else?[/quote]

Yeah, same person. Im just fed up with what is going on. I just don't understand after 8 yrs of Bush how the party can somehow decide that McCain should be the nominee.

I don't even consider myself truly to be a "conservative" anymore because that isn't what's going on on the repub. side (Ron Paul excluded).

Having lived in Illinois though for 2 1/2 yrs (just moved a month ago) I can say that Obama scares me a little bit.

I will state that the health care system in Illinois is phenomenal. I used it for my 2 kids and it unbelievable. Not sure how much Obama had to do with it as it was labeled under Governor Blagojevich's (spelling?) name, but it was an unbelievable system. It's called All Kids Covered. We literally saved about $600 a month because of it.

The reason it scares me is I just don't know how long it could be sustained. If I recall correctly it started in 2006 sometime.
 
I like Obama. Personally. But beats me by listening to his speeches if he's going to do anything other than end the war and give everyone 'hope.'

I fully understand what he stands for via his website, but the man needs to address these issues with the people he's talking to, not point them in the direction of the internet.

The 'A vote for me is a vote for hope,' and 'A vote against me is a vote against hope' stuff his campaign has been putting out there has gotten a bit stale for me.
 
Obama. And I'll vote for Hillary if she beats Obama. They're not really all that different policy-wise although I do like Obama's personality more than Hillary's so I'd vote for him over her.
 
I just find it interesting and a bit troubling that in an election discussion, people are concerned far more about the personality of the candidate rather than the issues they stand for.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I just find it interesting and a bit troubling that in an election discussion, people are concerned far more about the personality of the candidate rather than the issues they stand for.[/quote]

I think maybe two people only said stuff about personality, almost everybody in here said something about policy or didn't mention a reason.
 
And the person above who mentioned personality pointed out that in their view Hillary and Obama are very similar policy wise, so personality was kind of the tie breaker for them.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I just find it interesting and a bit troubling that in an election discussion, people are concerned far more about the personality of the candidate rather than the issues they stand for.[/quote]


Personality is a window into what a person is really about. It trickles down to everything else. Opinions on issues often change with what they think their party wants to hear. It doesn't matter how brilliant a person is if their personality keeps people from listening. Look at people in the non-political realm like Bob Knight. Sheer genius, but has the personality of a toilet.

When the average person has to slosh through the dregs and flotsam that is campaign and debate, personality is the only thing left to differentiate the candidates. It killed John Kerry in the last election and it gives rise to Obama now. If Kerry had been half as likeable as Obama we would be looking at a totally different situation now.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']And the person above who mentioned personality pointed out that in their view Hillary and Obama are very similar policy wise, so personality was kind of the tie breaker for them.[/QUOTE]

I am extremely interested in, and support, Obama's policy plan to increase funding for rehabilitation programs for prisoners. I also think his health care plan is more feasible (based on how much staunch resistance the Clinton plan would face).

His personality is nice, but I take it as an affront that it's the difference, for me, between supporting one candidate and another. They are indeed alike, but not entirely - not by any stretch.
 
McCain or Obama.

But, I swear to god, if Obama says "Change" another 1231232123 times in a speech? I'll go McCain.
 
I like John McCain as a candidate. I like that he takes a more practical approach to his conservatism as opposed to just pushing it in your face like some candidates try to do (Huckabee for instance). I also like that he's not afraid to buck his party, especially when it comes to the things that matter to him -- like torture, campaign finance reform, etc. And that's it...

I disagree with Clinton and Obama on more issues than I agree with them, so it seemed like a pretty straightforward choice to me.
 
[quote name='t0llenz']I like John McCain as a candidate. I like that he takes a more practical approach to his conservatism as opposed to just pushing it in your face like some candidates try to do (Huckabee for instance). I also like that he's not afraid to buck his party, especially when it comes to the things that matter to him -- like torture, campaign finance reform, etc. And that's it...

I disagree with Clinton and Obama on more issues than I agree with them, so it seemed like a pretty straightforward choice to me.[/quote]

Do you like how McCain is trying to do away with the First Amendment via McCain-Feingold?
 
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