If PS3' price is a big issue for you than this might help!!!

[quote name='Daddy']Sweet we are price comparing products we dont even own yet or havent even tried out? Awesome because Ive really wanted to price compare my car to a flying bus from the future ;)[/quote]

Extremely lame response.

We DONT know how much a flying car from the future is.

We DO know how much a PS3 will be.

The companies set the price, not you... so it doesnt matter if you've tried it or not... its still gonna be $599.99.

I've just flipped you over and hit your weak spot for massive damage, bitch.
 
what really sad to me.. is that I remember vaguely on Xbox 360 pricing before it came out. I thought many people couldn't believe they were charging $400 for a game system and now all the sudden, alot of people seem to accept that $400 is such a bargain to another $600 machine.. oh mine! I suspect if those two systems weren't this high price, the wii could have come out $199 .. oh well... hopefully, i'll be able to wait until these machine drop in prices first.. anyway.... self-restriant!!! ;)
 
lol thing is though I still think the 360 is crazy too high lol, lol which is why I never bought one or will lol. lol When I was a kid it would have seemed like nothing lol, but now its a lot more lol, even 250 american seems pricey for a console lol.
 
people are bitching about the wrong issue here. Do you guys even pay attention to what's going on in the video game world overall or just look at the set price of a video game system?

A Video Game here in NYC is retailing for $65 after tax, that by far is more of an issue than the $599 price tag that many feel is not warranted.

$59.99 is not the end either, almost every game has a "special" edition or whatever retailing anywhere from $69.99 to $99.99! that's the big issue here fellas, stop crying about how much the console costs...that's eventually a non-issue...now buying games at $65 a piece...that's where it hurts.
 
[quote name='Puppy']Wrong, and several people on this thread have already explained why.

Quoting myself:

Playstation 3 = $500
X-Box 360 = $400 + 50 x 5 = $650
[/QUOTE]

That's all fine and dandy, but you are making two major assumptions:

1. That XBox Live will continue to be $50 a year after the PS3 launch.
2. That the PS3 online service will be free forever.

And, if you read my post carefully enough, you would have seen that I said that the prices I used are based on current pricing. Oddly enough, you didn't include that in your quoting of my post. Here, I'll post that part again so you don't miss it a second time:

"* - for now. Microsoft's cost could drop or Sony may have to charge for online play. The costs for each console will change as a result. For now, I'm sticking to what Microsoft does and what Sony claims will do."

I guess you missed that part.

I believe the intent was this thread was to originally discuss the launch pricing and why it's not that big of a deal, not something 5 years from now when the cost of online gaming could be dramatically changed for Microsoft and/or Sony.

Oh, and it's also funny how you chose to use the $500 PS3 and the $400 Xbox 360 in your example in an attempt to make the PS3 sound cheaper.
 
well for one, i got my 360 for 350 + no tax. Plus, i don't have a play charge kit, or the official ms brand wireless adapter, plus i have no interest in the HD player
 
Ya 65 bucks for a game is nuts... but games go down in price easy, so I never spend that. I usually get games when they're players choice or whatever unless its a really good game. And we're not making assumptions stating that the Xbox360 will be 60 dollars for however many years and PS3 will be free... you guys are making the assumptions by stating the Xbox360 WONT be 60 dollars a year and the PS3 WONT be free. Right now the correct information is that Xboxlive is 60 bucks a year and PS3 online is free.
 
The only thing this thread is good for is finding out who else to put on my ignore list.

*Cough*Spades22 and pnjabimunda8*Cough*
 
[quote name='kennistond']The only thing this thread is good for is finding out who else to put on my ignore list.

*Cough*Spades22 and pnjabimunda8*Cough*[/quote]

Why are Xbox Fanboys so scared of other people that dont conform to their ideas/opinions?

I never understood that.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Why are Xbox Fanboys so scared of other people that dont conform to their ideas/opinions?

I never understood that.[/quote]

I'm not a fanboy.
These guys are just idiots.

lol thing is though I still think the 360 is crazy too high lol, lol which is why I never bought one or will lol. lol When I was a kid it would have seemed like nothing lol, but now its a lot more lol, even 250 american seems pricey for a console lol.
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Point Proven.
 
controller2.jpg


I wish the new controller would be atleast like that.

But I guess fanboys would say they are copying 360.

I also like this one:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/3346/ps3cathodeconcept3hb.jpg

What you guys think?
"lol thing is though I still think the 360 is crazy too high lol, lol which is why I never bought one or will lol. lol When I was a kid it would have seemed like nothing lol, but now its a lot more lol, even 250 american seems pricey for a console lol. "
Point Proven.
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Lol.

Agreed.
 
It has yet to be determined if PS3 online is P2P. If it is, then it will never live up to Live. I know there has been indication that some games will be server based. I imagine it will be a mix.
 
haha I was hoping someone would comment on that "lol" post, I posted like that a lot before and people would always make fun of it :p, although I was hoping it wouldn't be a rude comment. Anyway, all I see you doing is name calling...your not making very valid arguments, I'm just stating the true prices as they stand now. Sure they could change, but for now the info. I stated is the best info. there is out there. I'd sooner state facts than something that MIGHT happen. If you're gunna call anyone an idiot, mumble it to the correct person. (aka you :lol:)
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']Oh, and it's also funny how you chose to use the $500 PS3 and the $400 Xbox 360 in your example in an attempt to make the PS3 sound cheaper.[/QUOTE]

Well honestly, the $500 PS3 has everything feature-wise that the $400 360 has, and then some. Same size hdd, neither have wireless, neither have card slots, $500 PS3 has hdmi, blu-ray, charger for controller, etc.

Now I understand some people's argument that not everyone wants all that stuff, and that's fine, but the base argument that was made (very, very poorly) by the OP is that the price is justified by what you get - and that's true.

Bear in mind I think the price was justified with my 360 purchase as well. But I ran up against another sad roadblock tonight, that the 360 doesn't have any form of digital video output. I'd love to be able to connect my 360 to my tv via the dvi port, so I could take advantage of the dvd upscaling - but no such luck. Hopefully MS will correct this soon & release some hdmi cables for the system to complement that new 1080p feature they added - we'll see.

Finally, let me say I for one am glad that Sony isn't making some of these features optional. I'm one of those that thinks the extra space a blu-ray disk provides will prove beneficial for game developers, but they couldn't utilize it if it were an optional add-on. Ditto for the hdd. I'll gladly pay the extra $$ for these features to be standard and therefore used to their full potential.
 
[quote name='Jewelz23']people are bitching about the wrong issue here. Do you guys even pay attention to what's going on in the video game world overall or just look at the set price of a video game system?

A Video Game here in NYC is retailing for $65 after tax, that by far is more of an issue than the $599 price tag that many feel is not warranted.

$59.99 is not the end either, almost every game has a "special" edition or whatever retailing anywhere from $69.99 to $99.99! that's the big issue here fellas, stop crying about how much the console costs...that's eventually a non-issue...now buying games at $65 a piece...that's where it hurts.[/quote]

Where the hell in NYC are you shopping? You don't go to one of those hackneyed electronics stores do you where they give you no return policy whatsoever?
 
Thats how this discussion should have gone, but for some reason people think consoles are their children and if you say one has better features than the other they freak out.
 
I posted this in August. Since then, Kotaku has done it, Sony has done it, and now you've done it.

To be honest, I've been sick of seeing this since I posted it myself.
 
Everyone wonders why there's so much PS3 bashing here at CAG. Want to know the reason why? Because it's 600 freaking dollars! This web site is called Cheap Ass Gamer for a reason folks. Yes, I do own a 360 and I stretched my cheap ass budget to the limit to get one, but I did wait until I could get a good deal ($342 shipped from Overstock). Simply put, I can in no way afford to pay $599 for a video game console. Don't give me the "it's a bargain because it plays BluRay" bs argument. I like video games, and I would like to own a PS3 someday because just like in the last generation, Sony gets great 3rd party support. The more third party developers on board, the better chance we have of seeing better, more innovative, and more diverse games. Unfortunately, it's going to be some time before I own one because of the insane price.
 
[quote name='ahmedmalik']Where the hell in NYC are you shopping? You don't go to one of those hackneyed electronics stores do you where they give you no return policy whatsoever?[/QUOTE]
what the fuck are you talking about?
 
[quote name='gofishn']Everyone wonders why there's so much PS3 bashing here at CAG. Want to know the reason why? Because it's 600 freaking dollars! This web site is called Cheap Ass Gamer for a reason folks. Yes, I do own a 360 and I stretched my cheap ass budget to the limit to get one, but I did wait until I could get a good deal ($342 shipped from Overstock). Simply put, I can in no way afford to pay $599 for a video game console. Don't give me the "it's a bargain because it plays BluRay" bs argument. I like video games, and I would like to own a PS3 someday because just like in the last generation, Sony gets great 3rd party support. The more third party developers on board, the better chance we have of seeing better, more innovative, and more diverse games. Unfortunately, it's going to be some time before I own one because of the insane price.[/QUOTE]

You, I, and everyone else knows there will be a price drop on it within a year. Sony will get a nice sales bump at first, but that will be a lot of people reselling them on eBay. After that, sales of the Wii will consistantly be more. And you know that will just eat at Sony's ass.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Extremely lame response.

We DONT know how much a flying car from the future is.

We DO know how much a PS3 will be.

The companies set the price, not you... so it doesnt matter if you've tried it or not... its still gonna be $599.99.

I've just flipped you over and hit your weak spot for massive damage, bitch.[/QUOTE]


Lets see ,so youve played PS3 then? Youve gone on its network when the general public has? Youve seen any hardware issues? youve seen its second wave of games for 2007? Yeah the only massive damage done here is to your brain, plus you need to work on your trash talking skills b/c they are pretty weak too. Again hard to compare something when there are so many factors plus like i said you dont even have the product in hand yet. What good is knowing the price of something if you havent even experienced the product
 
[quote name='Daddy']Lets see ,so youve played PS3 then? Youve gone on its network when the general public has? Youve seen any hardware issues? youve seen its second wave of games for 2007? Yeah the only massive damage done here is to your brain, plus you need to work on your trash talking skills b/c they are pretty weak too. Again hard to compare something when there are so many factors plus like i said you dont even have the product in hand yet. What good is knowing the price of something if you havent even experienced the product[/quote] If there's one thing I wouldn't doubt for the PS3, it would be the games. Unless the launch games had glitches.
 
[quote name='chaarlieee']If there's one thing I wouldn't doubt for the PS3, it would be the games. Unless the launch games had glitches.[/QUOTE]

Okay and why would you say that? Again have you played them?
 
...lol...still a difference in that comparison... at least we know features of the ps3... where as with a flying car you don't know anything other than it will "fly" haha
 
[quote name='Daddy']Okay and why would you say that? Again have you played them?[/quote] lol, maybe because I've seen the list of games coming out and because I've liked games from those series'? And maybe because I like the company that's making the games?

That has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard, ever.

With your logic, I should never in my life have anticipated any game, EVER. I mean, I never would have had a chance to play those games until they were actually released, right? So I guess that means all those people that thought Final Fantasy XII, Guitar Hero 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, and all those other shitty games were going to be good--all of those people were just dumb in the head. fuck previews, fuck media, fuck news. All those things are stupid. I mean, logically, those three things are worthless and don't mean a damn thing because we haven't played the game, right?

Yeah, ok. :roll:
 
[quote name='Daddy']Okay and why would you say that? Again have you played them?[/quote]

Have you played GOW, COD 3, or Halo 3.. why would you think that they would be any good?? you, my friend, are an idiot.
 
[quote name='chaarlieee']If there's one thing I wouldn't doubt for the PS3, it would be the games. Unless the launch games had glitches.[/quote]
This is a funny, sure the ps2 had awesome games, but it seems Sony has done everything possible to disenfranchise 3rd party games.

1 because of price, their wont be alot of ps3's sold, and so game devs will be worried about how many units their game would sell on a ps3.

2 games require the highest rez textures, and is the most expensive system to make games for because of that.

3 No ps3 has been previewed, and it may be delayed. This affects the confidence in the market.

4 if blue ray fails, ps3 games fail.

5 Most game devs in japan (sonys base) are more interested in the wii (through some survey, i will get link later) this means many people want to make games for the wii rather then a ps3. Xbox is still dead last though, as Japan really doesn’t like it.

All my data mining and research shows that the ps3 wont have the best games, They may have a few awesome games but it wont be like the days of the ps3. They wont have the most amount of awesome games, unless something changes. And I’m thinking that’s the price.

hell on gamespot i think.... i read square-enix is holding out on kingdom hearts 3 because they are loosing confidence in ps3 and want to see who will win the console war. Well we all know the wii will sell more consoles so is that what determines the winner?

dont worry though, i could be wrong.
 
[quote name='White-Wolf']
1 because of price, their wont be alot of ps3's sold, and so game devs will be worried about how many units their game would sell on a ps3.[/quote]That is something you do not know. You're assuming. So far, the PS3 is selling out of preorders everywhere, so you're wrong until after the first run is released.

I'm sure that the PS3 is going to sell out of their second run also since it's going to be another limited run, unless the first run is so faulty that people don't want to buy it. But when things are limited, they sell.

Somebody close this thread..
 
[quote name='chaarlieee']lol, maybe because I've seen the list of games coming out and because I've liked games from those series'? And maybe because I like the company that's making the games?

That has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard, ever.

With your logic, I should never in my life have anticipated any game, EVER. I mean, I never would have had a chance to play those games until they were actually released, right? So I guess that means all those people that thought Final Fantasy XII, Guitar Hero 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, and all those other shitty games were going to be good--all of those people were just dumb in the head. fuck previews, fuck media, fuck news. All those things are stupid. I mean, logically, those three things are worthless and don't mean a damn thing because we haven't played the game, right?

Yeah, ok. :roll:[/QUOTE]


Actually yes it is worthless b/c its someone elses opinion in a review and the video is there to sell you....how many games have been changed so you no longer like them? I mean lets say Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter on 360, its nothing like the first game in the series sure i watched vids of it and it looked great, it got stellar reviews, UBISOFT made the games i liked BUT did i know the lobby would take 20 min to get a game or that nobody wants to join a 1st person only game? NOPE, so again my friend senario is until youve tried it..... even caring about the price is pointless. Nothing is set in stone till YOU YOURSELF have tried it and justified the price whatever it might be or dismissed it based on your experience, either that or your a helpless sheep in a world of marketing if so i have a great deal on a flying bus from the future ;)
dont worry ill post some vids and a review of it to hype you up
 
[quote name='DJSteel']Have you played GOW, COD 3, or Halo 3.. why would you think that they would be any good?? you, my friend, are an idiot.[/QUOTE]


Thinking something looks cool is one thing it actually being good is another, opinion is opinion sorry you follow the crowd.
 
[quote name='Daddy']Actually yes it is worthless b/c its someone elses opinion in a review and the video is there to sell you....how many games have been changed so you no longer like them? I mean lets say Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter on 360, its nothing like the first game in the series sure i watched vids of it and it looked great, it got stellar reviews, UBISOFT made the games i liked BUT did i know the lobby would take 20 min to get a game or that nobody wants to join a 1st person only game? NOPE, so again my friend senario is until youve tried it..... even caring about the price is pointless. Nothing is set in stone till YOU YOURSELF have tried it and justified the price whatever it might be or dismissed it based on your experience, either that or your a helpless sheep in a world of marketing if so i have a great deal on a flying bus from the future ;)
dont worry ill post some vids and a review of it to hype you up[/quote] I guess I can throw away all my opinions about Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, Halo 3, and all those other games. I'm not allowed to think those games will be good because you said so.

You fucking genius, you. God damn, why couldn't you have been born in Einstein's place. Instead of giving references to Einstein, we could just talk about how much of a brain Daddy is.

Oh, wait a minute.. that sounds kind of stupid. Just like your stupid opinion about how I'm not allowed to think a game is going to be good because it isn't released yet.

[quote name='Daddy']Thinking something looks cool is one thing it actually being good is another, opinion is opinion sorry you follow the crowd.[/quote]lol, and what if you aren't following the crowd, genius?
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']That's all fine and dandy, but you are making two major assumptions:

1. That XBox Live will continue to be $50 a year after the PS3 launch.
2. That the PS3 online service will be free forever.

And, if you read my post carefully enough, you would have seen that I said that the prices I used are based on current pricing. Oddly enough, you didn't include that in your quoting of my post. Here, I'll post that part again so you don't miss it a second time:

"* - for now. Microsoft's cost could drop or Sony may have to charge for online play. The costs for each console will change as a result. For now, I'm sticking to what Microsoft does and what Sony claims will do."

I guess you missed that part.

I believe the intent was this thread was to originally discuss the launch pricing and why it's not that big of a deal, not something 5 years from now when the cost of online gaming could be dramatically changed for Microsoft and/or Sony.

Oh, and it's also funny how you chose to use the $500 PS3 and the $400 Xbox 360 in your example in an attempt to make the PS3 sound cheaper.[/QUOTE]


Of COURSE I'm assuming Live will continue to be 50/year, and of COURSE I'm assuming the Playstation Network will be free, because neither company has ever given any indication to the contrary, nor have any legit media given any serious weight to it. The only reason anyone would assume otherwise is if they're trying to make the Playstation 3 sound more expensive than it is.

And of COURSE I'm comparing the most expensive 360 to the cheaper Playstation 3, because (as another poster mentions) those two are the closest in features. The $500 Playstation 3 already includes what the 360 includes (plus you're getting a more powerful piece of hardware). Even playing the game that "Live might be free after 1 year!!!", that's still just a $50 price difference for more powerful hardware. I for one am not going to get worked up over an extra $50 on a $450 piece of hardware-especially not when that extra money buys you better hardware (not to mention you can make up the difference just by trading in a PS2).

Bottom line-at full retail the 360 is NOT cheaper unless you'll NEVER go online-and even then the price difference is pretty minuscule for how much they cost.

[quote name='Mookyjooky']Wierd, I didnt hear anyone say that in this thread... maybe I missed it.

I said that VC games were too expensive, with no changes like online multiplayer, 720/1080 upgrades and whatnot.

8 bucks a Genesis game is retarded anyway you slice it. (Maaaaaaybe Gunstar Heroes...)

I dont believe in playing games on a PC, my Mac is for work only... but the VC prices are higher than XBLA and with 1/2 the upgrades. Added in the lack of a hard drive, and it just gets worse and worse.[/QUOTE]

Another thread in another forum. Basically some fanbois were trying to claim Nintendo's games are too expensive because you should just go steal them-which is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
And I'm not seeing how Nintendo's games are "more expensive" than X-Box Live stuff. The prices seem pretty comparable, but already there's better stuff (IMO) for Wii. Plus a lot of content on Live is unplayable because of the 360's terrible d-pad.
 
First off most those items can be found on sale now or can be obtained for $5 cheaper using the GGC at BB. Also this is CAG and alot of us have been able to score LIVE subscriptions for $20 or less. Also you are not required to have wireless network adapter to go online this is a conveniance purchase. So let's do the new math before taxes:

Premium System: $399
Play & Charge: $14.99
LIVE 12 month: $17-60
HD-DVD: $129.99

Total = $560.98 (low end) or $603.98 (high end)

So they're pretty much equal aside from the wireless capability.
 
I am 90% certain you have to buy a add on to make your games compatable unless they changed it i remember reading about it in game informer and another magazine as well.
 
[quote name='auralia']I am 90% certain you have to buy a add on to make your games compatable unless they changed it i remember reading about it in game informer and another magazine as well.[/QUOTE]

An add on to what? What are you talking about?
 
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